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NEWS: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by PDA Man, Sep 5, 2003.

  1. P  Reality

    P Reality Guest

    Re: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War

    In article <b663e26823703fd8df78ce786f1c83d7@news.teranews.com>,
    "Justin" <justin@cjteam.com> wrote:

    >
    > ""RDT"" <taite@panix.com> wrote in message
    > news:bjql1b$l92$1@panix2.panix.com...
    > > In article <4vomlvcpbbh0bdhic22ughfgmpgqnbaaed@4ax.com>,
    > > DevilsPGD <yeahbaby@crazyhat.net> wrote:
    > > >In message <<bjf5l4$1se@library2.airnews.net>> jer <gdunn@airmail.ten>
    > > >did ramble:
    > > >>> I have SBC DSL, and they adv. that I have to have SBC phone service

    > for
    > > >>> the DSL to work.
    > > >>True. It's not a tariff issue, it's a technical issue. SBC's DSL
    > > >>service connects through the same equipment the supplies their voice
    > > >>service.
    > > >No, that's tariff. Just because it goes through the same equipment
    > > >doesn't mean you need a phone number or dialtone on that line, nor do
    > > >you need to pay for that.

    > >
    > > Jer, I have to agree with this guy. The loop cost should be absorbed
    > > in the cost of DSL. It is just a way for landline carriers to protect
    > > their voice revenues from further erosion. On the other hand, DSL is down
    > > to $29.95


    not really. The $29.95 price from SBC is for 12 months only, after which
    it reverts to $39.95 or $49.95 / month depending on what speed you want.



    > plus $10.80 for basic voice service.



    That equals $20 + /month after taxes, fees and long distance connect
    charges are added.



    > A base price of around
    > > $40.75. After taxes, my bill is about $54.


    Just wait till your 12 months are up.

    > Not a bad deal to get high
    > > speed internet bundled with voice. But I still think that DSL should be a
    > > standalone service.
    > >
    > > RDT
    > > --
    > > "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the
    > > inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."
    > > --- Sir Winston Churchill
    > >

    >
    > I have Sloserv for DSL and it's always crapping out. It's $45 just for DSL
    > alone. But I'd NEVER go back to dial up unless I absolutely had no
    > alternative.



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  2. brianric

    brianric Guest

    Re: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War

    CommieCast charges $39.95 for cable internet if you got cable TV with them,
    otherwise $54.95.
    ""RDT"" <taite@panix.com> wrote in message
    news:bjql1b$l92$1@panix2.panix.com...
    > In article <4vomlvcpbbh0bdhic22ughfgmpgqnbaaed@4ax.com>,
    > DevilsPGD <yeahbaby@crazyhat.net> wrote:
    > >In message <<bjf5l4$1se@library2.airnews.net>> jer <gdunn@airmail.ten>
    > >did ramble:
    > >>> I have SBC DSL, and they adv. that I have to have SBC phone service

    for
    > >>> the DSL to work.
    > >>True. It's not a tariff issue, it's a technical issue. SBC's DSL
    > >>service connects through the same equipment the supplies their voice
    > >>service.

    > >No, that's tariff. Just because it goes through the same equipment
    > >doesn't mean you need a phone number or dialtone on that line, nor do
    > >you need to pay for that.

    >
    > Jer, I have to agree with this guy. The loop cost should be absorbed
    > in the cost of DSL. It is just a way for landline carriers to protect
    > their voice revenues from further erosion. On the other hand, DSL is down
    > to $29.95 plus $10.80 for basic voice service. A base price of around
    > $40.75. After taxes, my bill is about $54. Not a bad deal to get high
    > speed internet bundled with voice. But I still think that DSL should be a
    > standalone service.
    >
    > RDT
    > --
    > "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the
    > inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."
    > --- Sir Winston Churchill
    >
  3. About Dakota

    About Dakota Guest

    Not true. I called to inquire about activating an Audiovox CDM-9155
    GPX. Verizon offers that phone. The version I have is from one of
    thier competitors. I do have the Master Subsidiary Lock. Verizon
    claims the phone will be incompatible with its PRL software.

    Paul J. Lucas wrote:
    > In alt.cellular.verizon norelpref <norelpref@fake.inv> wrote:
    >
    >>On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:48:35 GMT, "Paul J. Lucas"
    >><pjl.removethis@removethistoo.mac.com> said:
    >>
    >>> But, at least with Sprint, they won't activate a phone they
    >>> didn't originally sell for their service on their network.

    >>

    >
    > Verizon will activate any tri-mode phone.
    >
    > - Paul
  4. Rod

    Rod Guest

    It is true. Don't tell them its not their phone. Do an esn change and make
    sure the MSL has been changed to 000000. Then do *22801, *22802, *22803 and
    so on till you hit Verizon and press 1 to program the phone and your all
    done.


    About Dakota wrote:
    > Not true. I called to inquire about activating an Audiovox CDM-9155
    > GPX. Verizon offers that phone. The version I have is from one of
    > thier competitors. I do have the Master Subsidiary Lock. Verizon
    > claims the phone will be incompatible with its PRL software.
    >
    > Paul J. Lucas wrote:
    >> In alt.cellular.verizon norelpref <norelpref@fake.inv> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:48:35 GMT, "Paul J. Lucas"
    >>> <pjl.removethis@removethistoo.mac.com> said:
    >>>
    >>>> But, at least with Sprint, they won't activate a phone they
    >>>> didn't originally sell for their service on their network.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Verizon will activate any tri-mode phone.
    >>
    >> - Paul
  5. James Lummel

    James Lummel Guest

    Re: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War

    Actually, SBC DSL is an add-on service. If you don't have QUALIFYING phone
    service from SBC then you can't ADD-ON the DSL!

    I've had 3 different DSL lines installed, the PacBell/SBC, a Northpoint and
    a Covad line. The Northpoint and the Covad lines were installed parallel to
    the SBC line and didn't require phone numbers. The SBC line comes on the
    same copper as the regular phone and is split outside at the demarcation
    point and enters the apartment as 2 separate lines.

    So the insistence of SBC that you have a telephone number is not technical
    since all three lines connected to the same CO. It's strictly marketing to
    the existing telephone base and it's smart marketing too. By requiring
    telephone service you get twice as much income out of the same pair of
    copper wires!

    James

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    "jer" <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote in message
    news:bjf5l4$1se@library2.airnews.net...
    > Brian peterson wrote:
    > > I have SBC DSL, and they adv. that I have to have SBC phone service for
    > > the DSL to work.

    >
    > True. It's not a tariff issue, it's a technical issue. SBC's DSL
    > service connects through the same equipment the supplies their voice
    > service.
    >
    > --
    > jer email reply - I am not a 'ten' ICQ = 35253273
    > "All that we do is touched with ocean, yet we remain on the shore of
    > what we know." -- Richard Wilbur
    >
    >
  6. John Andrews

    John Andrews Guest

    GSM phones dont use ESN... they specifically use fixed IMEI, which yes
    can be "changed"... but there are limits, and legalities....


    "Rod" <cellular-dude@sprintpcs.com> wrote in article
    <bjrjfn$mbm58$1@ID-57098.news.uni-berlin.de>:
    > It is true. Don't tell them its not their phone. Do an esn change and make
    > sure the MSL has been changed to 000000. Then do *22801, *22802, *22803 and
    > so on till you hit Verizon and press 1 to program the phone and your all
    > done.
    >
    >
    > About Dakota wrote:
    > > Not true. I called to inquire about activating an Audiovox CDM-9155
    > > GPX. Verizon offers that phone. The version I have is from one of
    > > thier competitors. I do have the Master Subsidiary Lock. Verizon
    > > claims the phone will be incompatible with its PRL software.
    > >
    > > Paul J. Lucas wrote:
    > >> In alt.cellular.verizon norelpref <norelpref@fake.inv> wrote:
    > >>
    > >>> On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:48:35 GMT, "Paul J. Lucas"
    > >>> <pjl.removethis@removethistoo.mac.com> said:
    > >>>
    > >>>> But, at least with Sprint, they won't activate a phone they
    > >>>> didn't originally sell for their service on their network.
    > >>>
    > >>
    > >> Verizon will activate any tri-mode phone.
    > >>
    > >> - Paul

    >
    >


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  7. Rod

    Rod Guest

    John Andrews wrote:
    > GSM phones dont use ESN... they specifically use fixed IMEI, which yes
    > can be "changed"... but there are limits, and legalities....


    We weren't talking about GSM phones.
  8. Anon

    Anon Guest

    Re: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War

    I called SBC about DSL service last week. They told me that their billing is
    done against the landline, which I don't have. I told them we couldn't do
    business in that case. It used to be that TimeWarner charged an additional
    $10 if you had cablemodem standalone. Maybe SBC will wise up and drop this
    demand as well. If they'd give up their demand for a "contract" I'd switch
    to DSL and install the landline. Cost is the same as cablemodem and I gain
    the home phone. However, I'm completely against this contract ideology. It
    removes their motivation to provide good service and I prefer to stop paying
    for a service when I stop wanting it.

    ""RDT"" <taite@panix.com> wrote in message
    news:bjql1b$l92$1@panix2.panix.com...
    > In article <4vomlvcpbbh0bdhic22ughfgmpgqnbaaed@4ax.com>,
    > DevilsPGD <yeahbaby@crazyhat.net> wrote:
    > >In message <<bjf5l4$1se@library2.airnews.net>> jer <gdunn@airmail.ten>
    > >did ramble:
    > >>> I have SBC DSL, and they adv. that I have to have SBC phone service

    for
    > >>> the DSL to work.
    > >>True. It's not a tariff issue, it's a technical issue. SBC's DSL
    > >>service connects through the same equipment the supplies their voice
    > >>service.

    > >No, that's tariff. Just because it goes through the same equipment
    > >doesn't mean you need a phone number or dialtone on that line, nor do
    > >you need to pay for that.

    >
    > Jer, I have to agree with this guy. The loop cost should be absorbed
    > in the cost of DSL. It is just a way for landline carriers to protect
    > their voice revenues from further erosion. On the other hand, DSL is down
    > to $29.95 plus $10.80 for basic voice service. A base price of around
    > $40.75. After taxes, my bill is about $54. Not a bad deal to get high
    > speed internet bundled with voice. But I still think that DSL should be a
    > standalone service.
    >
    > RDT
    > --
    > "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the
    > inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."
    > --- Sir Winston Churchill
    >

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