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Nextel sues Verizon Wireless

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Peter Pan, Sep 24, 2003.

  1. All the News

    All the News Guest

    "PDA Man" <pda@theman.com> wrote in message
    news:8yidnY4x9aFlGuyiU-KYvA@comcast.com...
    > Nextel Communications today filed suit against Verizon Wireless, claiming
    > that Verizon Wireless' new advertisements for its push-to-talk service

    make
    > false claims about Nextel's network. Neither Nextel nor Verizon Wireless
    > have yet to comment on the suit. U.S. carriers have stepped up their
    > advertising battles in recent weeks. In addition to the growing fight
    > between Nextel and Verizon Wireless, AT&T Wireless and Sprint PCS have

    been
    > taking pot shots at one another in recent months in an attempt to win a
    > greater share of the mobile enterprise market. Most analysts see these
    > fights as a sign of the growing saturation of the North American wireless
    > market.


    Personally I find the commercials misleading. Are they technically
    lieing? No, probably not, but they are certainly implying falsehoods.

    Having said that, that's what ALL commercials in the US do! I
    can't imagine seeing any commerical in which it didn't play itself
    as the single greatest thing in the universe while pointing out the
    lousyness of other products.

    I think Nextel would be better served by running their own
    commercials than trying to defeat Verizon in court.

    Chris



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  2. Justin

    Justin Guest

    "Male Bomb" <malebomb@comcast.net> wrote in message
    news:vn4tqghkej4dc9@corp.supernews.com...
    > > Verizon is very "reliable".

    >
    > compared to the options, yes
    >
    > ..er, ah....if you have a 3W AMPS phone
    > > like I use....(c;

    >
    > good for you, but that WILL run out...
    >
    > > As everyone knows on all these newsgroups, telecom companies are all a
    > > pack of liars. That isn't news, is it?

    >
    > Just like you, so you should be right at home MB
    >
    > >
    > >
    > > Larry W4CSC
    > >
    > > 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    > > gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    > > conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]



    Off topic, but I think you might have a virus, malebomb. I received about
    four e-mails from you with "Microsoft" updates.
  3. XFF

    XFF Guest

    Scott Stephenson <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<DSrcb.2041$qK1.2176713@news2.news.adelphia.net>...

    > Nextel offers group calling (has done it for years). THis is nothing
    > new. And no matter what people think, Verizon PTT does not work on
    > their entire network. It only works on their data network, and the foot
    > print is much smaller than the entire Nextel network (which offers PTT
    > throughout the entire netwrok).


    I don't know where you've been, but VZW has converted their entire
    network to 1xRTT as of this summer. There are only a very few
    scattered exceptions that pertain to recent acqusitions (specifically
    Shentel and Price) that are not yet 1xRTT. >95% of the VZW network
    has been upgraded.
  4. XFF

    XFF Guest

    Scott Stephenson <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<67tcb.2065$qK1.2191045@news2.news.adelphia.net>...

    > They do claim (again from the web site) "Coast-to-Coast Coverage. Reach
    > and be reached in more places across the country within the Verizon
    > Wireless National Enhanced Service Area. " Isn't this the upgrade to
    > the data network that is only available in a small number of markets?


    You should start studying the latest coverage maps and stop spewing
    mis-information. As explained earlier, the VZW data network and the
    entire VZW network are virtually identical, save a very few exceptions
    for recent acquisitions. Now do your homework and give it a rest
    already.
  5. check maps and you will see that ,coverage for say ptt is not the same
    as verizon national coverage,national map includes roaming coverage
    areas.but it is still a bigger area than other ptt provider.

    xff@austin.rr.com (XFF) wrote in article
    <298d9cbf.0309251307.2ef73432@posting.google.com>:
    > Scott Stephenson <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<67tcb.2065$qK1.2191045@news2.news.adelphia.net>...
    >
    > > They do claim (again from the web site) "Coast-to-Coast Coverage. Reach
    > > and be reached in more places across the country within the Verizon
    > > Wireless National Enhanced Service Area. " Isn't this the upgrade to
    > > the data network that is only available in a small number of markets?

    >
    > You should start studying the latest coverage maps and stop spewing
    > mis-information. As explained earlier, the VZW data network and the
    > entire VZW network are virtually identical, save a very few exceptions
    > for recent acquisitions. Now do your homework and give it a rest
    > already.


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  6. VZW Guy

    VZW Guy Guest

    When I get home tonight I will post the PTT coverage map, and the
    America's choice coverage map.. They are different.

    --
    Statements made by me are of my opinion and knowledge, and do not
    express those by Verizon Wireless(R).
    Any information I give is subject to change without notice, and may not
    be completely accurate.


    mitch_44@yahoo.com (mitchell friend) wrote in article
    <vn6nq1t5acq4ce@corp.supernews.com>:
    > check maps and you will see that ,coverage for say ptt is not the same
    > as verizon national coverage,national map includes roaming coverage
    > areas.but it is still a bigger area than other ptt provider.
    >
    > xff@austin.rr.com (XFF) wrote in article
    > <298d9cbf.0309251307.2ef73432@posting.google.com>:
    > > Scott Stephenson <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<67tcb.2065$qK1.2191045@news2.news.adelphia.net>...
    > >
    > > > They do claim (again from the web site) "Coast-to-Coast Coverage. Reach
    > > > and be reached in more places across the country within the Verizon
    > > > Wireless National Enhanced Service Area. " Isn't this the upgrade to
    > > > the data network that is only available in a small number of markets?

    > >
    > > You should start studying the latest coverage maps and stop spewing
    > > mis-information. As explained earlier, the VZW data network and the
    > > entire VZW network are virtually identical, save a very few exceptions
    > > for recent acquisitions. Now do your homework and give it a rest
    > > already.

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  7. XFF wrote:
    > Scott Stephenson <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<DSrcb.2041$qK1.2176713@news2.news.adelphia.net>...
    >
    >
    >>Nextel offers group calling (has done it for years). THis is nothing
    >>new. And no matter what people think, Verizon PTT does not work on
    >>their entire network. It only works on their data network, and the foot
    >>print is much smaller than the entire Nextel network (which offers PTT
    >>throughout the entire netwrok).

    >
    >
    > I don't know where you've been, but VZW has converted their entire
    > network to 1xRTT as of this summer. There are only a very few
    > scattered exceptions that pertain to recent acqusitions (specifically
    > Shentel and Price) that are not yet 1xRTT. >95% of the VZW network
    > has been upgraded.



    Agreed to a point- and look at the holes on the national coverage map
    where it doesn't cover- not even close to national coverage. And it
    certainly doesn't offer better coverage than Nextel. As to where I've
    been- been getting the facts- give it a try sometime.
  8. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:16:45 GMT, "Justin" <justin@cjteam.com> wrote:

    >
    >Off topic, but I think you might have a virus, malebomb. I received about
    >four e-mails from you with "Microsoft" updates.
    >
    >

    Because he has to post through a webpage access phonescooper, wanna
    bet he's posting from the office on Verizon's infected network?......



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
  9. XFF wrote:
    > Scott Stephenson <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<67tcb.2065$qK1.2191045@news2.news.adelphia.net>...
    >
    >
    >>They do claim (again from the web site) "Coast-to-Coast Coverage. Reach
    >>and be reached in more places across the country within the Verizon
    >>Wireless National Enhanced Service Area. " Isn't this the upgrade to
    >>the data network that is only available in a small number of markets?

    >
    >
    > You should start studying the latest coverage maps and stop spewing
    > mis-information. As explained earlier, the VZW data network and the
    > entire VZW network are virtually identical, save a very few exceptions
    > for recent acquisitions. Now do your homework and give it a rest
    > already.

    And as explained earlier, the network does not offer the national
    coverage they claim. No disclaimers appear in the commercials stating
    that it does not have the same coverage as their phone service. Huge
    holes, period. Homework done- try the same. Or are you involved in
    some spewing of your own?
  10. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

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    On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:17:11 -0000, vzwguy2004@yahoo.com (VZW Guy)
    wrote:

    >When I get home tonight I will post the PTT coverage map, and the
    >America's choice coverage map.. They are different.
    >

    Don't bother. If the big red blob covering the whole of western SC is
    any indication, even areas there are only AMPS transmitters, is any
    indication.....the map is just the usual "rate map" bullshit and is
    totally meaningless.

    The snotty salesman refused to follow me out into the red blob towards
    the GA border, easily within the map's coverage area for a little PTT
    test back to the office. Even my offer to eat his sneaker and $100
    wouldn't pry him out from behind that counter.....(c;



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
  11. Larry W4CSC wrote:
    > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:17:11 -0000, vzwguy2004@yahoo.com (VZW Guy)
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >>When I get home tonight I will post the PTT coverage map, and the
    >>America's choice coverage map.. They are different.
    >>

    >
    > Don't bother. If the big red blob covering the whole of western SC is
    > any indication, even areas there are only AMPS transmitters, is any
    > indication.....the map is just the usual "rate map" bullshit and is
    > totally meaningless.
    >
    > The snotty salesman refused to follow me out into the red blob towards
    > the GA border, easily within the map's coverage area for a little PTT
    > test back to the office. Even my offer to eat his sneaker and $100
    > wouldn't pry him out from behind that counter.....(c;
    >
    >
    >
    > Larry W4CSC
    >
    > 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    > gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    > conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

    I just noticed that Verizon Wireless has taken the ad for PTT off their
    home page and replaced it with a camera phone (now there's a useful
    phone if I ever saw one). Only one small link to find out about PTT.
    Hmmmmm- Nextel sues Verizon, and two days later, their 'super hot,
    better than the rest' PTT isn't worthy of front page advertisement
    anymore. Coincidence?
  12. XFF

    XFF Guest

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    vzwguy2004@yahoo.com (VZW Guy) wrote in message news:<vn6qb773662f73@corp.supernews.com>...
    > When I get home tonight I will post the PTT coverage map, and the
    > America's choice coverage map.. They are different.


    Of course they are. Nobody is questioning that. The America's Choice
    footprint includes preferred roaming partners like ALLTEL, USCC, SPCS,
    WWCA, AT&T, etc.

    What I've been saying here is that VZW's native footprint and their
    1xRTT enabled (ie. PTT/EN capable) footprint are virtually identical,
    save very few exceptions of recent aquisitions. I never said anything
    about America's Choice having the same footprint.
  13. Scott Stephenson <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<DSrcb.2041$qK1.2176713@news2.news.adelphia.net>...

    > Nextel offers group calling (has done it for years). THis is nothing
    > new. And no matter what people think, Verizon PTT does not work on
    > their entire network.


    It works on almost their entire network, since they are close to
    100% converted to 1xRTT. It won't work where you're roaming on
    other carrier's networks of course. It's still a much bigger
    PTT network than Nextel's. And of course you can still make regular
    calls on the extended network.

    > It only works on their data network, and the foot
    > print is much smaller than the entire Nextel network (which offers PTT
    > throughout the entire netwrok).


    Untrue.

    In any case, Nextel isn't going to lose many business customers
    to Verizon, unless those customers don't really care about PTT,
    in which case they never would have gone to Nextel in the first
    place. Where Nextel will lose out is in the competition for
    non-business customers, where PTT is a cute feature, but Nextel
    quality PTT is not necessary, or where the customer is unwilling
    to give up the good coverage provided by a CDMA or TDMA carrier.
  14. Male Bomb

    Male Bomb Guest

    What was the email addy Justin? MB

    >
    >
    > Off topic, but I think you might have a virus, malebomb. I received about
    > four e-mails from you with "Microsoft" updates.
    >
    >


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  15. Steven Scharf wrote:

    > Where Nextel will lose out is in the competition for
    > non-business customers, where PTT is a cute feature, but Nextel
    > quality PTT is not necessary, or where the customer is unwilling
    > to give up the good coverage provided by a CDMA or TDMA carrier.


    I won't argue with that, but I don't think that Nextel looks at it as a
    huge loss. So much of their business is providing to business, that a
    drop in the addition of higher risk non-business customers might not
    hurt as much. It probably costs them more to service a single
    subscriber account than a 1,00 subscriber account, when you take expense
    vs. revenue into account.

    And as I have mentioned many times in the past, Nextel has made some
    interesting purchases of CDMA technology rights (qualcomm PTT technology
    for one). You would only do this for two reasons- to use the
    technology, or prevent your competition from using it. And at the time
    of the agreement, Nextel was in no position to buy something they
    weren't planning on using. Is it possible that the acquisition of a
    CDMA carrier (PCS?) is not far in the future? I'm sure that Motorola is
    perfectly capable of making a dual mode phone (iDen/CDMA)
  16. Male Bomb

    Male Bomb Guest

    > >Off topic, but I think you might have a virus, malebomb. I received about
    > >four e-mails from you with "Microsoft" updates.
    > >
    > >

    > Because he has to post through a webpage access phonescooper


    No not at all...

    , wanna
    > bet he's posting from the office on Verizon's infected network?......


    Not a fucking chance, trust me... MB

    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  17. Justin Green

    Justin Green Guest

    I think two were from the malebomb addy and two others were from MS Admin or
    something and had "malebomb" and peices of a post in the body. I'll check
    for sure when I get in to the office in the morning.


    "Male Bomb" <malebomb@comcast.net> wrote in message
    news:vn7bra62uotdc0@corp.supernews.com...
    > What was the email addy Justin? MB
    >
    > >
    > >
    > > Off topic, but I think you might have a virus, malebomb. I received

    about
    > > four e-mails from you with "Microsoft" updates.
    > >
    > >

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]
  18. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 03:24:32 -0000, malebomb@comcast.net (Male Bomb)
    wrote:

    >> >Off topic, but I think you might have a virus, malebomb. I received about
    >> >four e-mails from you with "Microsoft" updates.
    >> >
    >> >

    >> Because he has to post through a webpage access phonescooper

    >
    >No not at all...
    >
    >, wanna
    >> bet he's posting from the office on Verizon's infected network?......

    >
    >Not a fucking chance, trust me... MB
    >

    Well? What's with the browser interface, then? Employee internet
    gots no news server?



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
  19. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On 25 Sep 2003 19:02:15 -0700, xff@austin.rr.com (XFF) wrote:

    >vzwguy2004@yahoo.com (VZW Guy) wrote in message news:<vn6qb773662f73@corp.supernews.com>...
    >> When I get home tonight I will post the PTT coverage map, and the
    >> America's choice coverage map.. They are different.

    >
    >Of course they are. Nobody is questioning that. The America's Choice
    >footprint includes preferred roaming partners like ALLTEL, USCC, SPCS,
    >WWCA, AT&T, etc.


    What "roaming partners"? Verizon deleted all the IN MARKET roaming
    from their PRLs way back over a year ago because they underestimated
    how much roaming was going on INSIDE their own system in what I tagged
    as the DEAD ZONES. With the roaming PRL, 30027 in LDC for NC/SC for
    example, a Verizon V60i would roam over into Sprint PCS' tower 1/4
    milel from my fav Wally World because the only Verizon presence is in
    Downtown Summerville, a bedroom community 20 miles out of Charleston.
    Anyone upgrading a CDMA phone to a later PRL was simply met with the
    display saying NO SERVICE about 8 ft inside WalMart's front door.
    Sprint PCS is FULL SCALE anywhere in the store because it's a very
    local PCS site. So, we went from full service in any store in the
    Oakbrook shopping district to NO SERVICE in any store in the Oakbrook
    shopping district.....a simple denial of service attack to save the
    company a few bucks. Every PRL since will NOT roam to Sprint or
    Alltel, the other two CDMA providers, anywhere inside the Verizon
    markets. That's why the PRLs became SO LONG...it doesn't EXCLUDE,
    specifically, these other carriers, but only allows them in areas VZW
    doesn't have a PoP.....

    Then, a few months after most users got wind of the scam and refused
    to upgrade the PRLs to lose service, the other carriers here simply
    forwarded all VZW CDMA calls over to American Roaming Network for the
    credit card scam....totally eliminating the roaming......and causing
    me to go back to my beloved bagphone that I control, not them. It
    roams and is welcome on Alltel 800 B system anywhere VZW drops out on
    STD A/B setting, no questions asked.

    >
    >What I've been saying here is that VZW's native footprint and their
    >1xRTT enabled (ie. PTT/EN capable) footprint are virtually identical,
    >save very few exceptions of recent aquisitions. I never said anything
    >about America's Choice having the same footprint.


    Nonsense. Hell, over most of South Carolina, VZW service is still
    AMPS when you're 5-10 miles off the interstate away from the major
    cities of Greenville, Spartanburg, Columbia, Charleston,
    Florence/Darlington, etc. CDMA service where there are towers outside
    the cities I refer to as tiny islands of coverage (2 miles on a peanut
    whistle toyphone) with vast areas of DEAD ZONE in between. That
    hasn't changed since CDMA reared its ugly, but profitable, head.

    In the areas around the fringe of the cities, even AMPS service
    suffered from CDMA as Verizon and Alltel moved their 500' monster
    antenna farms providing 10 mile solid AMPS coverage down to the
    100-150' level on the big, wide-based towers so they could put in a
    few fill-in CDMAs in the most blatant DEAD ZONES between the big AMPS
    sites.....which created new DEAD ZONES where there were no fill-in
    towers.....

    RF isn't rocket science......



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
  20. Male Bomb

    Male Bomb Guest

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