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Nextel/Verizon plan costs: Am I missing something?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by dep_blueman, Jan 8, 2004.

  1. Ben Skversky

    Ben Skversky Guest

    Three weeks ago. Cell service was brutal, PTT was fair.


    "Scott Stephenson" <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in message
    news:2moLb.263$Qr3.229925@news2.news.adelphia.net...
    >
    > "Ben Skversky" <bskversky@comcast.net> wrote in message
    > news:8fOdnVj4TesejGOiRVn-hw@comcast.com...
    > > Nextel service was terrible in the Philly, NJ & Delaware area.

    Absolutely
    > > the worst.
    > >

    >
    > How long ago?
    >
    >



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  2. "Ben Skversky" <bskversky@comcast.net> wrote in message
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    > Three weeks ago. Cell service was brutal, PTT was fair.



    When did you switch to VZW?
  3. In alt.cellular.verizon Scott Stephenson <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote:
    >
    > "Ben Skversky" <bskversky@comcast.net> wrote in message
    > news:B5mdnVnntMxpVJ3d4p2dnA@comcast.com...
    >> Three weeks ago. Cell service was brutal, PTT was fair.

    >
    >
    > When did you switch to VZW?


    VZW is the other way around. Great cellular, crappy PTT. :)

    (Not that I'd know about the PTT from personal experience, but I trust those
    here who say it sucks.)

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  4. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On 8 Jan 2004 10:35:13 -0800, dep_blueman@yahoo.com (dep_blueman)
    posted to alt.cellular.verizon:

    >If the coverage/quality on Nextel meets my needs and I don't need
    >nation wide PTT (or even if I do) what do I get for the extra
    >$25/month on Verizon?


    That depends entirely on where you are. In some places Nextel
    actually has almost as good coverage as Verizon. In most places,
    though, there's no comparison - Nextel phones have no coverage in
    areas where Verizon phones have great coverage.

    If Nextel has solid coverage everywhere you'll be, go with Nextel.
  5. plane

    plane Guest

    "Ben Skversky" <bskversky@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<8fOdnVj4TesejGOiRVn-hw@comcast.com>...
    > Nextel service was terrible in the Philly, NJ & Delaware area. Absolutely
    > the worst.
    >
    >
    > "plaguebeast" <plaguebeast@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:vwjLb.1100$K6.657@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
    > >
    > > "Ben Skversky" <bskversky@comcast.net> wrote in message
    > > news:y82dnZRfkIC6MmCi4p2dnA@comcast.com...
    > > > You get what you pay for. Nextel's cell service is horrible. Missed &
    > > > dropped calls. Nextel phone would say no service while VZW phone would

    > work
    > > > great. No service in my home. (Nextel) I had the Nextel 10,000 minute

    > plan,
    > > > but what could is it if there was no service? If all you want is PTT,

    > fine.
    > > > I dropped Nextel & came back to VZW. by the way, it cost me $200 to get

    > out
    > > > of my Nextel contract. I have the America's choice 800 plan. Take my

    > word,
    > > > go with VZW.
    > > >

    > >
    > > <snip>
    > >
    > > >

    > >
    > > your argument only holds water if you are in an area that has poor Nextel
    > > coverage. You are probably saying "but I live in an area that SHOULD have
    > > good Nextel coverage." Again, should being the keyword.
    > >
    > > You have good VZW coverage, then for you and your friends, VZW is the way

    > to
    > > go. Where I live we have great Nextel coverage so the Nextel plan is a

    > much
    > > better deal for me.
    > >
    > > How much you had to pay Nextel to get out of your contract is irrelevant

    > and
    > > kinda your fault anyway, didn't you know in the first month that Nextel

    > had
    > > poor coverage where you are ?
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > If I were you I would reconsider my generalizations. Saying that

    > "Nextel's
    > > cell service is horrible" can get you in a lot of trouble, you are

    > implying
    > > "everywhere". Saying that Nextel's cell service is horrible where you

    > live
    > > might be a better statement.
    > >
    > >


    To paraphase many other postings, with a coverage map that looks like
    spider web, I think horrible might be one of the words to use
  6. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 13:18:55 GMT, "Bob" <dont@emailme.me> posted to
    alt.cellular.verizon:

    >a few)- all with absolutely NO PROBLEMS- in addition to where I live - Long
    >Island NY - Have been to areas when there is no coverage- to be fair.


    You evidently don't spend much time on the North Shore in mid-Suffolk.
    Nextel coverage there ranges from none to non-existent. Most of Rocky
    point is a dead zone.

    >It is untrue and a misstatement to say nextel is a "wallkie talkie w/a phone
    >glued on" (such BS-you forget the stupid theory that plumbers and
    >electricians prefer nextel, more vealot propaganda), I would say it is
    >excellent phone service


    Nextel isn't a phone carrier - at all. Not licensed as one, and
    doesn't pretend to be one. It's a two-way radio system that provides
    a PSTN link.
  7. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 22:16:56 GMT, "MAPP" <midwaids@sbcglobal.net>
    posted to alt.cellular.verizon:

    >Hmmm. In the latest issue of Consumer Reports, Nextel was rated as having
    >better than average call completion.


    >That seems to contradict your info. Plus I'm sure their study was scientific
    >and controlled/


    Most of CR's reports are "controlled" - by what they get for
    publishing them. I take their reports as a starting point, but if I
    had to choose based on one single criterion, theirs would be the last
    one I'd use.
  8. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 06:16:53 GMT, "krc2" <krc@home.com> posted to
    alt.cellular.verizon:

    >not to mention how many people do you know on Verizon PTT? most likely none!


    >Nextel has the market....even though others will try to get in...


    Which matters how? I'm not likely to try to reach my plumber on PTT,
    but if I have my company on PTT, whether Nextel or Verizon, all the
    people I want to reach are on the same carrier I am.

    Not that I think Verizon has a clue when it comes to PTT, either with
    the implementation or the plan structure.
  9. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On 9 Jan 2004 20:50:39 -0800, plane@usa.com (plane) posted to
    alt.cellular.verizon:

    >From what I read, both verizon and sprint have "rigged" up a somewhat
    >less than perfect, but functional PTT, which customers can add, if
    >they find it necessary


    Unfortunately, no. I *wish* I could add PTT to my AC family plan for
    a reasonable price, but I'd have to pay twice what I'm paying now to
    get PTT - $59 for two phones vs. $59 for each phone. And that's for a
    poor PTT implementation.

    >and can still retain cell service which works
    >pretty well anywhere in the entire country (my most important
    >requirement).


    That's just about the only reason to pay the extra that VZW charges.
    And the reason I'm staying with them.
  10. D.J. Osborn

    D.J. Osborn Guest

    "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.org> wrote (in part):

    > Nextel isn't a phone carrier - at all. Not licensed as one, and
    > doesn't pretend to be one. It's a two-way radio system that provides
    > a PSTN link.


    It certainly *does* "pretend to be one." Their ads give the impression that
    they are another cellular provider. In fact, I've *never* seen one of their
    ads that gave even a *hint* that they are "a two-way radio system that
    provides a PSTN link."

    Get real.

    --
    D.J., N8DO; FMCA 147762
    davidjosborn at sbcglobal dot net
  11. D.J. Osborn

    D.J. Osborn Guest

    "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.org> wrote (in part):

    > I *wish* I could add PTT to my AC family plan for
    > a reasonable price, but I'd have to pay twice what I'm paying now to
    > get PTT - $59 for two phones vs. $59 for each phone.


    What's so important to *you* about PTT?

    --
    D.J., N8DO; FMCA 147762
    davidjosborn at sbcglobal dot net
  12. In alt.cellular.verizon D.J. Osborn <davidjosborn@sbcglobally.net> wrote:
    > "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.org> wrote (in part):
    >
    >> I *wish* I could add PTT to my AC family plan for
    >> a reasonable price, but I'd have to pay twice what I'm paying now to
    >> get PTT - $59 for two phones vs. $59 for each phone.

    >
    > What's so important to *you* about PTT?


    What's so important to you about finding out? If he wants PTT he wants PTT.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Geek In Charge * 888.480.4NET (4638) * sjsobol@JustThe.net
  13. George

    George Guest

    On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:47:17 -0600, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

    >In alt.cellular.verizon D.J. Osborn <davidjosborn@sbcglobally.net> wrote:
    >> "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.org> wrote (in part):
    >>
    >>> I *wish* I could add PTT to my AC family plan for
    >>> a reasonable price, but I'd have to pay twice what I'm paying now to
    >>> get PTT - $59 for two phones vs. $59 for each phone.

    >>
    >> What's so important to *you* about PTT?

    >
    >What's so important to you about finding out? If he wants PTT he wants PTT.


    I think Al's question was fair and sincere. He has a V60P but chose
    not to use PTT service, and I think he just wants to know why I and
    others made a different choice.

    My wife and I use PTT for purely economic reasons. We use a lot of
    peak anytime minutes for business and friends, so each of us has an
    AC800 plan with Unlimited N/W and 1000 M2M. We prefer the 1000
    minutes M2M feature instead of Unlimited Family M2M (if that is even
    available to us on PTT plans) because many of our our friends and
    business associates use VZW cell phones and we can reduce the load on
    our anytime minutes allowances by having a pool of M2M minutes. (Of
    course, when we telephone each other from our cells, we use some of
    each of our 1000 M2M minute allocations as well.)

    The PTT service, which is unlimited for non-group calls, allows us to
    speak to each other without using either our anytime or M2M minutes
    allocations. We did not choose PTT service because wanted
    walkie-talkies, but because it allows us to communicate without using
    our minutes. My wife and I don't have any close friends or associates
    who have the PTT feature, so we use it exclusively to talk to each
    other.

    If we could pay (up to $20 each, which is what we pay for PTT) to add
    Unlimited Family M2M to our plans and keep our 1000 minutes of M2M as
    well, we'd drop PTT. As of now, I don't think that is an option
    available to us.

    The PTT service costs us $20 each per month in addition to the $59
    each for AC800. Given our usage patterns, we calculated that PTT is
    cheaper than buying additional anytime minutes or substituting
    Unlimited Family M2M and losing our regular M2M minutes.

    Different people and families have different needs. I expect we'll
    drop PTT eventually when cell minutes are cheaper. We basically just
    want to be able to talk to each other on our cell phones, and PTT
    seems like the best option at the moment.

    BTW, the PTT service works reasonably well for non-business purposes
    now that the network problems have been addressed and the V60P
    firmware has been improved. We typically experience about a 2-3
    second setup time with 1 second delays within PTT calls. We also no
    longer have any real battery drain problems, which existed before VZW
    improved the PTT system.

    George
  14. George

    George Guest

    On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 23:17:20 GMT, George <George@no.mail> wrote:

    >On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:47:17 -0600, Steven J Sobol
    ><sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
    >
    >>In alt.cellular.verizon D.J. Osborn <davidjosborn@sbcglobally.net> wrote:
    >>> "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.org> wrote (in part):
    >>>
    >>>> I *wish* I could add PTT to my AC family plan for
    >>>> a reasonable price, but I'd have to pay twice what I'm paying now to
    >>>> get PTT - $59 for two phones vs. $59 for each phone.
    >>>
    >>> What's so important to *you* about PTT?

    >>
    >>What's so important to you about finding out? If he wants PTT he wants PTT.

    >
    >I think Al's question was fair and sincere. He has a V60P but chose
    >not to use PTT service, and I think he just wants to know why I and
    >others made a different choice.
    >
    ><snip>
    >George


    Oops! I see it was D. J. Osborn's question, not Al Klein's, but my
    answer is still the same.

    BTW, let me add that on nights after 9:00 pm and on weekends, when we
    have unlimited minutes, my wife an I use the cell phone service
    instead of PTT.
  15. George

    George Guest

    "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.org> wrote in message
    news:ikb300der42gi2m3je237a6k86p1i1csn6@Pern.rk...
    >
    > Nextel isn't a phone carrier - at all. Not licensed as one, and
    > doesn't pretend to be one. It's a two-way radio system that provides
    > a PSTN link.


    Sure they do. There web page clearly states that "Digital Cellular Service"
    is one of their offerings.
  16. John S.

    John S. Guest

    >Their ads give the impression that
    >they are another cellular provider.


    Their ads NEVER say that they are cellular in any way. They never say that they
    are a telephone. In fact of late the only ad that I have seen talks exclusivly
    (in various ways) about coast to coast 2-way.


    --
    John S.
    e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net
  17. John S.

    John S. Guest

    >Sure they do. There web page clearly states that "Digital Cellular Service"
    >is one of their offerings.
    >


    Please provide the URL. That would of course be false advertising and they
    could be taken to court for it.

    I don't think that you can provide a URL that says that they are cellular. They
    are not that dumb.

    --
    John S.
    e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net
  18. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    Every one of their rate plans on their web page say "cellular"....
    http://nextelonline.nextel.com/NASApp/onlinestore/Action/EnterZipCode

    "George" <George@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:tglMb.11192$uF6.3685608@news1.news.adelphia.net...
    >
    > "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.org> wrote in message
    > news:ikb300der42gi2m3je237a6k86p1i1csn6@Pern.rk...
    > >
    > > Nextel isn't a phone carrier - at all. Not licensed as one, and
    > > doesn't pretend to be one. It's a two-way radio system that provides
    > > a PSTN link.

    >
    > Sure they do. There web page clearly states that "Digital Cellular Service"
    > is one of their offerings.
    >
    >
  19. George

    George Guest

    "John S." <sexyexotiche@aol.comspamfree> wrote in message
    news:20040111191711.11177.00002628@mb-m11.aol.com...
    > >Sure they do. There web page clearly states that "Digital Cellular

    Service"
    > >is one of their offerings.
    > >

    >
    > Please provide the URL. That would of course be false advertising and they
    > could be taken to court for it.
    >
    > I don't think that you can provide a URL that says that they are cellular.

    They
    > are not that dumb.


    www.nextel.com! Every plan states something like this:

    National Free Incoming 400

    * Free incoming calls

    * 400 anytime cellular minutes

    * Free Nationwide Long Distance

    * No roaming charges

    * Two-Way Express


    >
    > --
    > John S.
    > e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net
  20. Bob

    Bob Guest

    actually I live in Shoreham and what you say is partially true but not my
    experience at all.

    Between by-pass and J&R steakhouse coverage is spotty - but usable - not
    non-existant like you say.
    and yes - occassional dropped calls. Coverage could be better. What phone
    you using. I use a I90.

    Have been in J&R or waldbaums and was able to use phone.

    Had worse problems with BOTH ATTWS and verizon in my area. Verizon had calls
    going to analog (analog site at Rocky Pt FD) and poor quality and ATTWS had
    dropped calls and non-existant service.

    there is a nextel site at Ridge FD and Rocky Pt FD in Shoreham but none in
    western part of Rocky Pt.

    Someone wrote:

    >You evidently don't spend much time on the North Shore in mid-Suffolk.
    >Nextel coverage there ranges from none to non-existent. Most of Rocky
    >point is a dead zone

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