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NEXTEL vs Verizon PTT

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by MarkF, Nov 26, 2003.

  1. MarkF

    MarkF Guest




    › See More: NEXTEL vs Verizon PTT
  2. John Eckart

    John Eckart Guest

    Thanks for the informative link, MarkF. That was a very interesting =
    video clip, which should shut some people up. I say "some" because some =
    people are too dumb to keep their mouths shut. :)

    "MarkF" <KS4VT@yahoo.com> wrote in message =
    news:35b1619d.0311261239.2c7e4015@posting.google.com...
    > Tech TV does the test and can be seen here:
    >=20
    > http://members.cox.net/cecole/PTT.wmv
    >=20
    > Take a look and you judge the performance difference.
    >=20
    > Mark
     
  3. Stevie Ray

    Stevie Ray Guest

    Mark,

    Great link. They said that Sprint works as well as nextel. Can anyone
    confirm or deny this?

    Steve




    In article <4v8xb.18440$sb4.10693@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
    John Eckart <JEckart@mail.com> wrote:

    > Thanks for the informative link, MarkF. That was a very interesting video
    > clip, which should shut some people up. I say "some" because some people are
    > too dumb to keep their mouths shut. :)
    >
    > "MarkF" <KS4VT@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:35b1619d.0311261239.2c7e4015@posting.google.com...
    > > Tech TV does the test and can be seen here:
    > >
    > > http://members.cox.net/cecole/PTT.wmv
    > >
    > > Take a look and you judge the performance difference.
    > >
    > > Mark
     
  4. why would anyone jump to a new PTT provider, when 99% of the people with PTT
    are using nextel? Plus do you think PTT will work cross network in the
    future?


    "Stevie Ray" <shirsh98@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:261120031508085805%shirsh98@hotmail.com...
    > Mark,
    >
    > Great link. They said that Sprint works as well as nextel. Can anyone
    > confirm or deny this?
    >
    > Steve
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > In article <4v8xb.18440$sb4.10693@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
    > John Eckart <JEckart@mail.com> wrote:
    >
    > > Thanks for the informative link, MarkF. That was a very interesting

    video
    > > clip, which should shut some people up. I say "some" because some people

    are
    > > too dumb to keep their mouths shut. :)
    > >
    > > "MarkF" <KS4VT@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > > news:35b1619d.0311261239.2c7e4015@posting.google.com...
    > > > Tech TV does the test and can be seen here:
    > > >
    > > > http://members.cox.net/cecole/PTT.wmv
    > > >
    > > > Take a look and you judge the performance difference.
    > > >
    > > > Mark
     
  5. Stevie Ray

    Stevie Ray Guest

    The only reason to jump to a new provider for DC is if one doesn't
    require the need for a push to talk business use or just needs to use
    it intra-business wise or for family use. Also Sprint, I believe has a
    better footprint than nextel....in fact i believe just about every
    carrier has a better footprint than nextel. Nextel needs serious
    competition to open their eyes so that they will be more competitive.




    In article <4I8xb.721$lF6.150@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>, Adam Fontaine
    <adam.fontaine@verizon.net> wrote:

    > why would anyone jump to a new PTT provider, when 99% of the people with PTT
    > are using nextel? Plus do you think PTT will work cross network in the
    > future?
    >
    >
    > "Stevie Ray" <shirsh98@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:261120031508085805%shirsh98@hotmail.com...
    > > Mark,
    > >
    > > Great link. They said that Sprint works as well as nextel. Can anyone
    > > confirm or deny this?
    > >
    > > Steve
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > In article <4v8xb.18440$sb4.10693@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
    > > John Eckart <JEckart@mail.com> wrote:
    > >
    > > > Thanks for the informative link, MarkF. That was a very interesting

    > video
    > > > clip, which should shut some people up. I say "some" because some people

    > are
    > > > too dumb to keep their mouths shut. :)
    > > >
    > > > "MarkF" <KS4VT@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:35b1619d.0311261239.2c7e4015@posting.google.com...
    > > > > Tech TV does the test and can be seen here:
    > > > >
    > > > > http://members.cox.net/cecole/PTT.wmv
    > > > >
    > > > > Take a look and you judge the performance difference.
    > > > >
    > > > > Mark

    >
    >
     
  6. Mark Kim

    Mark Kim Guest

    There is a fine print between Nextel, Sprint, and Verizon.

    Verizon runs under a CDMA Network--it chews up your Cell Minutes while
    you are browsing through the web, according to the video, you have to
    wait about 12 seconds before you even communicate through PTT....Very
    questionable reason why Solo CDMA is slow.... Also keep in mind that
    Verizon is a Tri-Mode Provider as well, so for the best results, you
    will need a Tri-Mode Phone that supports AMPS, CDMA, and PCS.

    Sprint runs under an all-digital PCS System but is just as fast as
    Nextel (rumored). The only thing you should keep in mind is that with
    Sprint's Web Services, it will also chew up your Voice Minutes, so you
    have to choose your options carefully. I am unsure how Sprint's
    Walkie-Talkie features work, though. Sprint's two band frequencies are
    CDMA and PCS, primarily PCS.

    The guy that he was testing Nextel's Direct Connect Goodies is with the
    Clamshell i730 and the Candy-Bar i205. It's pretty instant, especially
    when you need to alert someone of a missing homework or something. Keep
    in mind that Verizon, Sprint, and Nextel runs under different protocols,
    meaning that the speed and the quality of Cellular and Push-To-Talk will
    vary. Sprint runs under Dual-Band, All-Digital PCS, Verizon runs under
    a Tri-Mode, Dual-Band CDMA and AMPS, and Nextel runs under Motorola
    iDEN, which is a foundation of many Cellular Telephone Protocols, and
    Mobile Web Protocols in one provider.

    So Protocol Awareness should be a buying factor IMO, but you have to be
    aware that you if you want Push-To-Talk, you will need to look inside
    each of the service protocols (Verizon's three-mode, two-band
    CDMA/AMPS/PCS Network, Sprint's All-Digital, Dual-Band CDMA/PCS, and
    Nextel's iDEN, a blend of 5-6 cellular protocols in one) before you make
    a final decision. For urgency issues, you definitely should consider
    getting a Nextel Phone, since iDEN was made for urgency and productivity.

    These adverse factors affect a buying decision:

    * Price
    * Push-To-Talk Instancy
    * Features
    * Selection of Phones
    * Fancy "Doo-Dads"

    I don't know what the order of what affects your buying decision is, but
    feel free to debate. Many college students at DeVry just simply
    overlook (especially myself in the past) the usefulness of a Nextel
    Phone, and it's pretty much a handy tool so that instructors can
    actually tell you via DirectConnect what you have missed out on, etc.

    With homework urgency in mind, what do you guys think should college
    students get assuming that a professor has a Nextel Phone "armed"?
     
  7. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    Whoa, Mark! Is that YOUR website? Even the spam on TechTV is
    copyrighted. Unless you have permission, in writing, allowing you to
    post it, I'd get that off your website post haste before the corporate
    lawyers are banging on your door and Cox is cancelling your account.



    On 26 Nov 2003 12:39:30 -0800, KS4VT@yahoo.com (MarkF) wrote:

    >Tech TV does the test and can be seen here:
    >
    >http://members.cox.net/cecole/PTT.wmv
    >
    >Take a look and you judge the performance difference.
    >
    >Mark


    Larry W4CSC

    NNNN
     
  8. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    WTF?????

    Sprint is 100% 1900MHz PCS
    Using Qualcom's CDMA digital transmission protocol.
    1 frequency (band), 1 protocol CDMA

    You are grossly mis-informed.

    BTW, it is the exact same technology that VZW uses, but VZW
    uses both 800MHz and 1900MHz, depending on the area.
    #1 800 AMPS, #2 800 CDMA, #3 1900 CDMA, this the "tri"

    The PTT may differ, but the regular voice on BOTH is CDMA.

    "Mark Kim" <please@dont.spam.me> wrote in message news:6Kaxb.313240$HS4.2770404@attbi_s01...
    >Sprint's two band frequencies are
    > CDMA and PCS, primarily PCS.
    > Sprint's All-Digital, Dual-Band CDMA/PCS,
     
  9. In alt.cellular.verizon John Eckart <JEckart@mail.com> wrote:
    > Thanks for the informative link, MarkF. That was a very interesting video clip, which should shut some people up. I say "some" because some people are too dumb to keep their mouths shut. :)
    >
    > "MarkF" <KS4VT@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:35b1619d.0311261239.2c7e4015@posting.google.com...
    >> Tech TV does the test and can be seen here:
    >>
    >> http://members.cox.net/cecole/PTT.wmv
    >>
    >> Take a look and you judge the performance difference.


    At the end of the clip, it says they also tried SPCS and SPCS is as fast as
    Nextel.

    Sounds like Verizon's rush to release PTT hurt them.

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    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services
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  10. In alt.cellular.verizon Mark Kim <please@dont.spam.me> wrote:
    > when you need to alert someone of a missing homework or something. Keep
    > in mind that Verizon, Sprint, and Nextel runs under different protocols,
    > meaning that the speed and the quality of Cellular and Push-To-Talk will
    > vary. Sprint runs under Dual-Band, All-Digital PCS, Verizon runs under
    > a Tri-Mode, Dual-Band CDMA and AMPS, and Nextel runs under Motorola
    > iDEN, which is a foundation of many Cellular Telephone Protocols, and
    > Mobile Web Protocols in one provider.



    Um.

    Sprint and Verizon use *the same* protocol. CDMA (for the PTT services,
    CDMA 1xRTT). Verizon uses 800 in most markets, 1900MHz in a few. SPCS is
    all 1900MHz. But it's all CDMA. You can't use PTT on either Sprint or Verizon
    if your phone is using an analog signal, so that's irrelevant (and on Sprint,
    if you're analog, you're roaming and probably not able to use PTT anyhow).

    I'd like to see a similar test done by TechTV, between Nextel and Sprint.

    > So Protocol Awareness should be a buying factor IMO, but you have to be
    > aware that you if you want Push-To-Talk, you will need to look inside
    > each of the service protocols (Verizon's three-mode, two-band
    > CDMA/AMPS/PCS Network, Sprint's All-Digital, Dual-Band CDMA/PCS, and
    > Nextel's iDEN, a blend of 5-6 cellular protocols in one) before you make
    > a final decision. For urgency issues, you definitely should consider
    > getting a Nextel Phone, since iDEN was made for urgency and productivity.


    iDEN is a hybrid of cellular and SMR two-way radio technology. Nextel's
    service is (Obviously!) several years more mature than that of the CDMA
    carriers.

    The point that Nextel's coverage isn't as good as the pure cellular/"PCS"
    carriers' coverage is one that shouldn't be ignored, however, if you are
    intending to use the phone as a phone as well as a two-way radio.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Proprietor
    888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net
     
  11. Aboutdakota

    Aboutdakota Guest

    Larry W4CSC wrote:
    > Whoa, Mark! Is that YOUR website? Even the spam on TechTV is
    > copyrighted. Unless you have permission, in writing, allowing you to
    > post it, I'd get that off your website post haste before the corporate
    > lawyers are banging on your door and Cox is cancelling your account.
    >
    >
    >
    > On 26 Nov 2003 12:39:30 -0800, KS4VT@yahoo.com (MarkF) wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Tech TV does the test and can be seen here:
    >>
    >>http://members.cox.net/cecole/PTT.wmv
    >>
    >>Take a look and you judge the performance difference.
    >>
    >>Mark

    >
    >
    > Larry W4CSC
    >
    > NNNN
    >


    Yeah, I would be weary, too. I hear Verizon is aggressive in defending
    it's network, and is willing to sue the average Joe for all his
    (positive) networth.

    AD
     
  12. KS4VT@yahoo.com (MarkF) wrote in
    news:35b1619d.0311261239.2c7e4015@posting.google.com:

    > Take a look and you judge the performance difference.


    My work switched from Nextel to Verizon for PTT due to degrading coverage
    of Nextel at one of our sites. Here are my opinions...

    Pros:

    * Nice to see who is online when scrolling through the list.

    * Better coverage. At one of our sites, Nextel didn't work well at all. I
    usually would have to walk out of my office and down the hall to talk.

    * National service included, Nextel costs more and if you don't pay for it,
    if someone happens to be outside local area and you PTT them, you get
    charged even though you don't know they are outside the area

    * Group 2-way is nice. It's free (currently) on verizon

    * The v60p has a lot more features than the i1000 pluses we were using.

    * More cellular minutes, including 1000 mobile-to-mobile, which I think
    we'll be using more cause PTT sucks so bad. Oh wait, getting ahead of
    myself here... The v60p has voice dialing so it's a lot easier just to
    push the voice button, speak someone's name, turn on speaker phone and use
    it as a normal phone

    Cons:

    * Battery life on the v60p is REALLY REALLY BAD. Can't last a day with
    normal use. And if you plug it in to charge with the phone on, it takes
    hours to charge.

    * Slow push-to-talk response time is horrible. The initial connect time is
    the worse. Once the connection is set up, it's about a second delay each
    way. You kinda get used to it after a while, but still a pain. My crew is
    using the cell minutes up basically. Hopefully we don't go over, else our
    business office is going to crucify us.

    * The v60p seems a lot flimsier than the i1000s which took some real
    punishing abuse from all of us. I already dropped the v60 and the clam
    shell popped off and the battery went flying. At least it still works. I
    was surprised.

    * The phone clip that the v60p comes with is horrible. With the i1000, you
    could easily get the phone out of the clip and back in. The v60 you
    basically have to break a finger or end up pushing buttons on the side of
    the phone as you try to pry it out. I read elsewhere on the net that it
    slowly gets better after a while and then eventually starts coming out of
    the clip all on its own. :(
     
  13. MarkF

    MarkF Guest

    Not my website Larry, I just posted the URL. I don't play with that EVER!


    nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote in message news:<3fc538c7.80588515@news.knology.net>...
    > Whoa, Mark! Is that YOUR website? Even the spam on TechTV is
    > copyrighted. Unless you have permission, in writing, allowing you to
    > post it, I'd get that off your website post haste before the corporate
    > lawyers are banging on your door and Cox is cancelling your account.
    >
    >
    >
    > On 26 Nov 2003 12:39:30 -0800, KS4VT@yahoo.com (MarkF) wrote:
    >
    > >Tech TV does the test and can be seen here:
    > >
    > >http://members.cox.net/cecole/PTT.wmv
    > >
    > >Take a look and you judge the performance difference.
    > >
    > >Mark

    >
    > Larry W4CSC
    >
    > NNNN
     
  14. MarkF

    MarkF Guest

    Here is the url for TechTV. It is interesting to read that:
    "Sprint PCS has also just launched its new service, but it declined to
    participate in our comparison" as stated in the url below.

    http://www.techtv.com/freshgear/products/story/0,23008,3577091,00.html

    So I guess they figured that if their network/PTT performance didn't
    live up to the other 2 then they would be dead last in the comparison.

    As a follow up to Larry's question, no Larry it's not my site.
    Someone on HowardForums posted the link. I don't know if they
    recorded it and is hosting it, but it's not me.

    73's
    Mark
     
  15. Bill Roland

    Bill Roland Guest

    You're really behind the times with the i1000, my i90c will do almost all of
    that too, and probably much better than the v60p. The only think (based on
    what you wrote) is that it doesn't show me who is online, whatever that
    means. Nextel coverage around here is really good, as good as any of the
    others, and they are expanding, so no complaints here. I have yet to meet
    anyone who uses Verizon here, but I am sure there are a few.


    "Nigel Poncewattle" <poncewattle@comcast.net> wrote in message
    news:Xns943FDD2CB5142poncewattle@216.196.97.136...
    > KS4VT@yahoo.com (MarkF) wrote in
    > news:35b1619d.0311261239.2c7e4015@posting.google.com:
    >
    > > Take a look and you judge the performance difference.

    >
    > My work switched from Nextel to Verizon for PTT due to degrading coverage
    > of Nextel at one of our sites. Here are my opinions...
    >
    > Pros:
    >
    > * Nice to see who is online when scrolling through the list.
    >
    > * Better coverage. At one of our sites, Nextel didn't work well at all. I
    > usually would have to walk out of my office and down the hall to talk.
    >
    > * National service included, Nextel costs more and if you don't pay for

    it,
    > if someone happens to be outside local area and you PTT them, you get
    > charged even though you don't know they are outside the area
    >
    > * Group 2-way is nice. It's free (currently) on verizon
    >
    > * The v60p has a lot more features than the i1000 pluses we were using.
    >
    > * More cellular minutes, including 1000 mobile-to-mobile, which I think
    > we'll be using more cause PTT sucks so bad. Oh wait, getting ahead of
    > myself here... The v60p has voice dialing so it's a lot easier just to
    > push the voice button, speak someone's name, turn on speaker phone and use
    > it as a normal phone
    >
    > Cons:
    >
    > * Battery life on the v60p is REALLY REALLY BAD. Can't last a day with
    > normal use. And if you plug it in to charge with the phone on, it takes
    > hours to charge.
    >
    > * Slow push-to-talk response time is horrible. The initial connect time is
    > the worse. Once the connection is set up, it's about a second delay each
    > way. You kinda get used to it after a while, but still a pain. My crew is
    > using the cell minutes up basically. Hopefully we don't go over, else our
    > business office is going to crucify us.
    >
    > * The v60p seems a lot flimsier than the i1000s which took some real
    > punishing abuse from all of us. I already dropped the v60 and the clam
    > shell popped off and the battery went flying. At least it still works. I
    > was surprised.
    >
    > * The phone clip that the v60p comes with is horrible. With the i1000, you
    > could easily get the phone out of the clip and back in. The v60 you
    > basically have to break a finger or end up pushing buttons on the side of
    > the phone as you try to pry it out. I read elsewhere on the net that it
    > slowly gets better after a while and then eventually starts coming out of
    > the clip all on its own. :(
     
  16. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    Ok, all I saw was it was a personal webpage. I suppose the TechTV
    lawyers will call him if they find him.....



    On 26 Nov 2003 19:22:54 -0800, KS4VT@yahoo.com (MarkF) wrote:

    >Here is the url for TechTV. It is interesting to read that:
    >"Sprint PCS has also just launched its new service, but it declined to
    >participate in our comparison" as stated in the url below.
    >
    >http://www.techtv.com/freshgear/products/story/0,23008,3577091,00.html
    >
    >So I guess they figured that if their network/PTT performance didn't
    >live up to the other 2 then they would be dead last in the comparison.
    >
    >As a follow up to Larry's question, no Larry it's not my site.
    >Someone on HowardForums posted the link. I don't know if they
    >recorded it and is hosting it, but it's not me.
    >
    >73's
    >Mark


    Larry W4CSC

    NNNN
     
  17. Mark Kim

    Mark Kim Guest

    > Sprint is 100% 1900MHz PCS
    > Using Qualcom's CDMA digital transmission protocol.
    > 1 frequency (band), 1 protocol CDMA


    I thought Sprint ran on two frequencies.....Hmmmm.....I guess I was
    wrong--Sprint runs under 100% 1900MHz PCS......
     
  18. Mark Kim

    Mark Kim Guest

    Which proves that you have to test out the service before even placing
    it in the market. IMO Verizon's PTT might be a failed product due to
    the rush nature of the service....

    Steven J Sobol wrote:

    > In alt.cellular.verizon John Eckart <JEckart@mail.com> wrote:
    >
    >>Thanks for the informative link, MarkF. That was a very interesting video clip, which should shut some people up. I say "some" because some people are too dumb to keep their mouths shut. :)
    >>
    >>"MarkF" <KS4VT@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:35b1619d.0311261239.2c7e4015@posting.google.com...
    >>
    >>>Tech TV does the test and can be seen here:
    >>>
    >>>http://members.cox.net/cecole/PTT.wmv
    >>>
    >>>Take a look and you judge the performance difference.

    >
    >
    > At the end of the clip, it says they also tried SPCS and SPCS is as fast as
    > Nextel.
    >
    > Sounds like Verizon's rush to release PTT hurt them.
    >
     
  19. Mark Kim

    Mark Kim Guest

    > Sprint and Verizon use *the same* protocol. CDMA (for the PTT services,
    > CDMA 1xRTT). Verizon uses 800 in most markets, 1900MHz in a few. SPCS is
    > all 1900MHz. But it's all CDMA. You can't use PTT on either Sprint or Verizon
    > if your phone is using an analog signal, so that's irrelevant (and on Sprint,
    > if you're analog, you're roaming and probably not able to use PTT anyhow).


    You're kidding. I thought that PCS and CDMA are different protocols,
    different transmission methods, algorithms, and cell phone schematics.
    LG's Cell Phone Website dictates that their phones for use with
    Verizon's network says "For use with Verizon Wireless 800MHz AMPS,
    800MHz CDMA, and 1900MHz PCS networks".

    So both PCS and CDMA use the same transmission methods, algorithms, and
    Cell Phone Schematics? Or is it because Verizon's phones and Sprint's
    phones uses different cellular telephone schematics?
     
  20. On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:34:37 GMT, Mark Kim <please@dont.spam.me>
    wrote:

    >> Sprint and Verizon use *the same* protocol. CDMA (for the PTT services,
    >> CDMA 1xRTT). Verizon uses 800 in most markets, 1900MHz in a few. SPCS is
    >> all 1900MHz. But it's all CDMA. You can't use PTT on either Sprint or Verizon
    >> if your phone is using an analog signal, so that's irrelevant (and on Sprint,
    >> if you're analog, you're roaming and probably not able to use PTT anyhow).

    >
    >You're kidding. I thought that PCS and CDMA are different protocols,
    >different transmission methods, algorithms, and cell phone schematics.
    >LG's Cell Phone Website dictates that their phones for use with
    >Verizon's network says "For use with Verizon Wireless 800MHz AMPS,
    >800MHz CDMA, and 1900MHz PCS networks".
    >
    >So both PCS and CDMA use the same transmission methods, algorithms, and
    >Cell Phone Schematics? Or is it because Verizon's phones and Sprint's
    >phones uses different cellular telephone schematics?


    PCS means 1900 MHz - just the frequency range. It implies nothing
    about the modulation method, etc.

    GSM is also offered in the PCS band.
     

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