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NEXTEL vs Verizon PTT

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by MarkF, Nov 26, 2003.

  1. Mark Kim

    Mark Kim Guest

    Actually, as iDEN gains nationwide and eventually, worldwide acceptance,
    Nextel and Motorola (Motorola is the creators of iDEN) will eventually
    have to create a company called "NextelSource"--a company that deals
    mainly on the iDEN-style protocols. With a Nextel/Motorola subsidiary,
    there will be a separate entity that can dedicate 100% of their time
    keeping iDEN as mature as business customers see it. Therefore, Nextel
    and Motorola can have two separate entities as follows:

    * NextelOne--Creator of iDEN-Ready Hardware
    * NextelSource--actual iDEN Service Provider

    Know that some ideas could be too big for Nextel and Motorola to handle
    alone, so IMO there should be a box that dedicates 100% of the
    iDEN-ready Hardware, hence NextelOne. Furthermore, there should be
    another box that dedicates 100% of the actual iDEN Technology
    development, called NextelSource.

    AFAIK I think that an iDEN Association (a collaboration of iDEN
    Providers, Nextel and SouthernLINC being the only iDEN Providers to
    date) would be great as well.



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  2. Mark Kim

    Mark Kim Guest

    That was two years ago, that Telephony Article.....
    Hmmmm.....
  3. Isaiah Beard

    Isaiah Beard Guest

    Mark Kim wrote:


    > Sprint runs under an all-digital PCS System but is just as fast as
    > Nextel (rumored). The only thing you should keep in mind is that with
    > Sprint's Web Services, it will also chew up your Voice Minutes, so you
    > have to choose your options carefully.


    Uhh, no. Sprint Vision service is separate from your MOU and will not
    chew up your voice minutes.

    > am unsure how Sprint's
    > Walkie-Talkie features work, though. Sprint's two band frequencies are
    > CDMA and PCS, primarily PCS.


    Wow, you know nothing about PCS. :)

    "PCS" is the frequency band Sprint uses, namely 1900MHZ. CDMA is the
    signaling format. They use one band, one signaling format.

    Additionally, your earlier statement that for Verizon you need a
    tri-mode "AMPS, CDMA, PCS" phone to get the best results with PTT is
    also untrue. PTT will NOT work under AMPS. It will only work under
    CDMA, and only if you're on an the enhanced 1x network.

    Of course, neither Nextel's nor Sprint's PTT will work under AMPS either. :)


    Finally, I have used Sprint's ReadyLink service. It's NOT as immediate
    as Nextel's service. It is however, fairly close to equal, and "good
    enough" for what I use it for. I imagine a lot of people will be of the
    same mind. The only drawback is the Sprint currently limits group calls
    to 5 people, where Nextel (I believe) imposes no such limit.

    > The guy that he was testing Nextel's Direct Connect Goodies is with the
    > Clamshell i730 and the Candy-Bar i205. It's pretty instant, especially
    > when you need to alert someone of a missing homework or something.


    Either TechTV's video link has the same latency at Nextel's Direct
    Connect, or they did a little fancy editing. Yes, Nextel's service IS
    fast, but not instant. All you need are two Nextel phones in the same
    room to figure that out. There's usually a half second delay or so.

    Of course, that IS insignificant for most people, but still sloppy on
    TechTV's part.

    > Keep
    > in mind that Verizon, Sprint, and Nextel runs under different protocols,
    > meaning that the speed and the quality of Cellular and Push-To-Talk will
    > vary. Sprint runs under Dual-Band, All-Digital PCS,


    *sigh* No, Sprint runs on a single band. Dual-band phones on Sprint
    are dual-band only for the purpose of roaming on 800Mhz with other
    carriers. VZW does have both the 800 and 1900Mhz bands which they've
    deployed CDMA on, as well as AMPS on 800MHz.



    > a Tri-Mode, Dual-Band CDMA and AMPS, and Nextel runs under Motorola
    > iDEN, which is a foundation of many Cellular Telephone Protocols,


    You're kidding, right? iDEN was originally designed as an SMR protocol,
    NOT cellular. The duplex telephone feature was a side-service. It just
    so happened that the cellular feature was what people wanted more than
    the Direct Connect feature (though it's popular now as well), so some
    kludging had to be done to reposition iDEN is primarily a cellular
    protocol with walkie-talkie capability.

    If you were right (and thankfully you're not), the wireless industry in
    the us would be in one SORRY state. :)





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  4. Aboutdakota

    Aboutdakota Guest

    > AFAIK I think that an iDEN Association (a collaboration of iDEN
    > Providers, Nextel and SouthernLINC being the only iDEN Providers to
    > date) would be great as well.


    Actually, Extend America is another iDEN provider. They are
    headquarterd in Bismarck, North Dakota and thier website is
    www.extendamerica.com

    ==AD
  5. Aboutdakota

    Aboutdakota Guest

    > Either TechTV's video link has the same latency at Nextel's Direct
    > Connect, or they did a little fancy editing. Yes, Nextel's service IS
    > fast, but not instant. All you need are two Nextel phones in the same
    > room to figure that out. There's usually a half second delay or so.


    Actually, it would stand to reason that TechTV's video link has about
    teh same latency at Nextel's DC. You have to remember, TechTV could be
    broadcasting from one location to another on up to three satellites
    (most likey one thought) and so no matter what, it would have a latency.
    I did satellite braodcasts for a year, and the locations were only 250
    miles apart, and there was a 2 second (each way) latency. If we turned
    our volume up, we could hear our voice echo 4 seconds later.

    ==AD
  6. Isaiah Beard

    Isaiah Beard Guest

    Mark Kim wrote:
    > Actually, as iDEN gains nationwide and eventually, worldwide acceptance,
    > Nextel and Motorola (Motorola is the creators of iDEN) will eventually
    > have to create a company called "NextelSource"--a company that deals
    > mainly on the iDEN-style protocols. With a Nextel/Motorola subsidiary,
    > there will be a separate entity that can dedicate 100% of their time
    > keeping iDEN as mature as business customers see it. Therefore, Nextel
    > and Motorola can have two separate entities as follows:
    >
    > * NextelOne--Creator of iDEN-Ready Hardware
    > * NextelSource--actual iDEN Service Provider


    Heh. And assuming we go with the PalmSource/PalmOne model, does this
    also mean that Nextel is going to go through several years of
    squandering their resources, refusing to innovate, and massive layoffs
    before they finally get their act together, leaving everyone to wonder
    whether it's too late for a full recovery? :)

    Oh wait, Nextel is already blindly refusing to innovate by continuing to
    use iDEN. So they are in fact well on the path. :)


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  7. "Isaiah Beard" <sacredpoet@sacredpoet.com> wrote in message
    news:3fcb720f$1@rutgers.edu...

    >
    > Oh wait, Nextel is already blindly refusing to innovate by continuing to
    > use iDEN. So they are in fact well on the path. :)


    Yeah- that would explain their continued growth of market share, highest
    stock price among the cellular stocks, market prediction of them being a
    WNLP winner and many first-to-market product offerings. Oh wait...... no it
    wouldn't. Wonder why that is?
  8. O/Siris

    O/Siris Guest

    In article <wFQyb.2258$oe4.825655@news2.news.adelphia.net>,=20
    Scott Stephensonscott.stephensonson@adelphia.net says...
    > ...and many first-to-market product offerings.
    >=20


    Aside from Direct Connect, how many other first-to-market=20
    offerings do they get credit for?

    --=20
    -+-
    R=D8=DF
    O/Siris
    I work for SprintPCS
    I *don't* speak for them.
  9. "O/Siris" <robjvargas@sprîntpcs.côm> wrote in message
    news:MPG.1a3745e3a5cf2dcb9898f5@netnews.comcast.net...


    >Aside from Direct Connect, how many other first-to-market
    >offerings do they get credit for?


    Two that come right to mind are the first speakerphone and first Java-
    enabled phone, although there are others as well.
  10. "O/Siris" <robjvargas@sprîntpcs.côm> wrote in message
    news:MPG.1a3745e3a5cf2dcb9898f5@netnews.comcast.net...


    >Aside from Direct Connect, how many other first-to-market
    >offerings do they get credit for?


    Two that come right to mind are the first speakerphone and first Java-
    enabled phone, although there are others as well.

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