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Nice Charts showing how the iPhone is Crushing the Market

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Oxford, Jun 6, 2010.

  1. Oxford

    Oxford Guest




    › See More: Nice Charts showing how the iPhone is Crushing the Market
  2. JG

    JG Guest

    On Jun 6, 2:49 pm, Oxford <ap...@pasture.com> wrote:
    > Here is some good data in how the iPhone continues to take over the cell
    > phone market...
    >
    > http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/06/04/nielsen-iphone-android-gain-on...
    >
    > enjoy!


    It was hilarious how the iphone-1 became just an ipod after iphone-2
    came out. Jobs/Apple really hosed the bleeding edge hipster crowd.
     
  3. Your Name

    Your Name Guest

    "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
    news:michelle-B740EC.17553709062010@reserved-multicast-range-not-delegated.e
    xample.com...
    > In article
    > <ca72ad7a-0884-4efb-95b5-c6d3d42befe6@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
    > JG <jgrove24@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > > It was hilarious how the iphone-1 became just an ipod after iphone-2
    > > came out.

    >
    > Where did you get that ridiculous idea from?


    The same place Loser Larry gets his "ideas" from ... the local sewage plant.
    :-\
     
  4. SMS

    SMS Guest

    On 09/06/10 5:15 PM, JG wrote:

    <snip>

    > It was hilarious how the iphone-1 became just an ipod after iphone-2
    > came out. Jobs/Apple really hosed the bleeding edge hipster crowd.


    What typically happened with those original iPhones (what I saw among
    colleagues and relatives anyway) is that the old iPhone became their
    kid's pseudo iPod Touch (and at least it has a camera!), and the parent
    got a 3G iPhone.

    It's certainly a better 2nd life for an old phone than most old phones
    enjoy. And it could always be used on a prepaid account on AT&T or
    T-Mobile (if unlocked). This is why the resale prices on the older
    iPhones have remained fairly high.

    What I find more ridiculous is all the people I know that carry around
    an iPod Touch _and_ a Droid. They wanted a smart phone for web access
    but in my area AT&T's coverage is quite poor so they would not get an
    iPhone, but they want to keep using iPhone/iPod Touch applications and
    keep their music on the iPod.
     
  5. SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> writes:

    > What I find more ridiculous is all the people I know that carry around
    > an iPod Touch _and_ a Droid. They wanted a smart phone for web access
    > but in my area AT&T's coverage is quite poor so they would not get an
    > iPhone, but they want to keep using iPhone/iPod Touch applications and
    > keep their music on the iPod.


    I have to pity the US. AT&T is just a drag on the iPhone. And not
    having several carriers to pick from is not good for the market anyway.
    Hell, this is not a market at all.


    Jochem

    --
    "A designer knows he has arrived at perfection not when there is no
    longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away."
    - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
     
  6. Jolly Roger

    Jolly Roger Guest

    In article <m2k4q7past.fsf@revier.com>, Jochem Huhmann <joh@gmx.net>
    wrote:

    > SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> writes:
    >
    > > What I find more ridiculous is all the people I know that carry around
    > > an iPod Touch _and_ a Droid. They wanted a smart phone for web access
    > > but in my area AT&T's coverage is quite poor so they would not get an
    > > iPhone, but they want to keep using iPhone/iPod Touch applications and
    > > keep their music on the iPod.

    >
    > I have to pity the US. AT&T is just a drag on the iPhone.


    No more so than any other carrier.

    > And not
    > having several carriers to pick from is not good for the market anyway.
    > Hell, this is not a market at all.


    How many iPhone carriers do you have to choose from?

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  7. SMS

    SMS Guest

    On 10/06/10 1:10 AM, Jochem Huhmann wrote:
    > SMS<scharf.steven@geemail.com> writes:
    >
    >> What I find more ridiculous is all the people I know that carry around
    >> an iPod Touch _and_ a Droid. They wanted a smart phone for web access
    >> but in my area AT&T's coverage is quite poor so they would not get an
    >> iPhone, but they want to keep using iPhone/iPod Touch applications and
    >> keep their music on the iPod.

    >
    > I have to pity the US. AT&T is just a drag on the iPhone. And not
    > having several carriers to pick from is not good for the market anyway.
    > Hell, this is not a market at all.


    Blame Verizon. They were offered the iPhone first, and turned it down.
    Then they ran those very clever, but accurate, ads last year making fun
    of AT&T's 3G coverage, and the lack of multi-tasking on the iPhone. On
    the plus side, it forced AT&T to improve coverage and Apple to add
    features, but on the minus side it not endear Verizon to Apple.
     
  8. DevilsPGD

    DevilsPGD Guest

    In message
    <ca72ad7a-0884-4efb-95b5-c6d3d42befe6@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> JG
    <jgrove24@hotmail.com> was claimed to have wrote:

    >It was hilarious how the iphone-1 became just an ipod after iphone-2
    >came out.


    huh?
     
  9. SMS

    SMS Guest

    On 10/06/10 8:26 AM, DevilsPGD wrote:
    > In message
    > <ca72ad7a-0884-4efb-95b5-c6d3d42befe6@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> JG
    > <jgrove24@hotmail.com> was claimed to have wrote:
    >
    >> It was hilarious how the iphone-1 became just an ipod after iphone-2
    >> came out.

    >
    > huh?


    He's referring to the scenario where an iPhone 2G owner replaced the 2G
    with a 3G and then a family member/friend/etc. used the iPhone 2G
    essentially as an iPod Touch rather than selling it or activating it on
    prepaid AT&T (or AT&T MVNO) or unlocking it for T-Mobile prepaid. I've
    seen a lot of this usage of the iPhone 2G, especially by small children
    of the iPhone 3G owner who use it essentially as a gaming platform.

    What's not clear is why he views this as hilarious. Seems like a good
    re-use of the old phone. How many other phones have a second use after
    they are no longer practical to use as a phone.

    There's not much of a market for used 2G iPhones to use as phones
    because when AT&T/Apple switched to the subsidized model (the 2G was
    unsubsidized) the 3G models were cheaper than the used 2G phones
    (depending on where you were). Now the old 2G 8GB models sell for about
    $100, while an 8GB new iPod Touch is about $175. I guess I'd choose an
    iPod Touch with a new battery and a warranty over a two year old iPhone,
    but if a kid gets the parent's old iPhone for free then it's a different
    story.
     
  10. Jolly Roger

    Jolly Roger Guest

    In article <slrni12478.5l.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com>,
    Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote:

    > On 2010-06-10, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    > > In article <m2k4q7past.fsf@revier.com>, Jochem Huhmann <joh@gmx.net>
    > > wrote:
    > >> And not
    > >> having several carriers to pick from is not good for the market anyway.
    > >> Hell, this is not a market at all.

    > >
    > > How many iPhone carriers do you have to choose from?

    >
    > In Hong Kong I have two carriers to choose from if I want to buy
    > a subsidized iPhone from a carrier, or five choices if I buy an
    > unsubsidized iPhone from the Apple store. And the phones are
    > unlocked in either case so I don't have to fool around to unlock
    > them if I want to change carriers.
    >
    > Dennis Ferguson


    That's great for you.

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    JR
     
  11. SMS

    SMS Guest

    On 10/06/10 9:52 AM, DevilsPGD wrote:

    <snip>

    > It's nice to see that Apple didn't add any artificial limits to the
    > iPhone that prevent it from being used in iPod Touch duties.


    They forgot.
     
  12. DevilsPGD wrote:
    > In message <4c1108a9$0$1637$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> SMS
    > <scharf.steven@geemail.com> was claimed to have wrote:
    >
    >> On 10/06/10 8:26 AM, DevilsPGD wrote:
    >>> In message
    >>> <ca72ad7a-0884-4efb-95b5-c6d3d42befe6@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> JG
    >>> <jgrove24@hotmail.com> was claimed to have wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> It was hilarious how the iphone-1 became just an ipod after iphone-2
    >>>> came out.
    >>> huh?

    >> He's referring to the scenario where an iPhone 2G owner replaced the 2G
    >> with a 3G and then a family member/friend/etc. used the iPhone 2G
    >> essentially as an iPod Touch rather than selling it or activating it on
    >> prepaid AT&T (or AT&T MVNO) or unlocking it for T-Mobile prepaid. I've
    >> seen a lot of this usage of the iPhone 2G, especially by small children
    >> of the iPhone 3G owner who use it essentially as a gaming platform.
    >>
    >> What's not clear is why he views this as hilarious. Seems like a good
    >> re-use of the old phone. How many other phones have a second use after
    >> they are no longer practical to use as a phone.

    >
    > Yeah, I understand the usage, I just didn't get the joke. Traditionally
    > most smartphones (Windows Mobile and PalmOS in particular) were quite
    > functional even without service, only Blackberry wasn't.


    What makes you say that? I bought a lot of three second-hand
    Blackberrys for $20 plus shipping just to play with. The PDA functions
    work without a "service provider". I can keep an address book,
    appointment calendar, notepad, etc. I just can't make or receive phone
    calls or send and receive e-mail without paying a service provider.

    If I needed to add or update contacts, or to send and receive e-mail in
    the field I think I would choose a Blackberry. For such usage a QWERTY
    keyboard would be a "must have" for me.

    If my old but faithful RAZR V3m should fail I might just get a
    Blackberry anyway.
     
  13. SMS

    SMS Guest

    On 10/06/10 9:52 AM, DevilsPGD wrote:

    <snip>

    > Yeah, I understand the usage, I just didn't get the joke. Traditionally
    > most smartphones (Windows Mobile and PalmOS in particular) were quite
    > functional even without service, only Blackberry wasn't.


    Well with those phones (other than the Blackberry) you could at least
    sign up for low cost prepaid service with pay-go data on PagePlus if
    they were CDMA Verizon phones. It was really only the Blackberry that
    made no sense as a used phone.
     
  14. JG

    JG Guest

    On Jun 9, 7:55 pm, Michelle Steiner <miche...@michelle.org> wrote:
    > In article
    > <ca72ad7a-0884-4efb-95b5-c6d3d42be...@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
    >
    >  JG <jgrov...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > > It was hilarious how the iphone-1 became just an ipod after iphone-2
    > > came out.

    >
    > Where did you get that ridiculous idea from?
    >
    > --
    > Check out the Hot Cocoa Party
    > <http://www.hotcocoaparty.info>


    July 2, 2008
    "Original iPhone owners who prefer not to give away or sell their old
    iPhones after upgrading to an iPhone 3G can instead keep their devices
    and use them as WiFi-enabled iPods, AT&T has confirmed.
    The exclusive US provider for the Apple handset issued a series of
    documents and videos this week instructing existing iPhone owners on
    the steps necessary to hand down their old phones to family members or
    friends after purchasing a new 3G model.

    Although that's the route AT&T prefers, as it generates high margin
    service revenues for each additional iPhone on its network, it's not
    the only option owners have.
    A spokesperson for the carrier confirmed to AppleInsider that neither
    AT&T nor Apple will prevent de-activated first-generation iPhones for
    serving as surrogate iPod touches.
    "If the [original] device is not re-activated as a wireless phone
    after you’ve upgraded to iPhone 3G, it will still work as an iTunes
    player and can access Wi-Fi," the spokesperson said.
     
  15. Jolly Roger

    Jolly Roger Guest

    In article
    <b98bd3f6-7853-46ca-a6b4-c40b1f434da3@w12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
    JG <jgrove24@hotmail.com> wrote:

    > On Jun 9, 7:55 pm, Michelle Steiner <miche...@michelle.org> wrote:
    > > In article
    > > <ca72ad7a-0884-4efb-95b5-c6d3d42be...@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
    > >
    > >  JG <jgrov...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > > > It was hilarious how the iphone-1 became just an ipod after iphone-2
    > > > came out.

    > >
    > > Where did you get that ridiculous idea from?
    > >
    > > --
    > > Check out the Hot Cocoa Party
    > > <http://www.hotcocoaparty.info>

    >
    > July 2, 2008
    > "Original iPhone owners who prefer not to give away or sell their old
    > iPhones after upgrading to an iPhone 3G can instead keep their devices
    > and use them as WiFi-enabled iPods, AT&T has confirmed.
    > The exclusive US provider for the Apple handset issued a series of
    > documents and videos this week instructing existing iPhone owners on
    > the steps necessary to hand down their old phones to family members or
    > friends after purchasing a new 3G model.
    >
    > Although that's the route AT&T prefers, as it generates high margin
    > service revenues for each additional iPhone on its network, it's not
    > the only option owners have.
    > A spokesperson for the carrier confirmed to AppleInsider that neither
    > AT&T nor Apple will prevent de-activated first-generation iPhones for
    > serving as surrogate iPod touches.
    > "If the [original] device is not re-activated as a wireless phone
    > after you¹ve upgraded to iPhone 3G, it will still work as an iTunes
    > player and can access Wi-Fi," the spokesperson said.


    Why is that hilarious?

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    JR
     
  16. nospam

    nospam Guest

    In article
    <b98bd3f6-7853-46ca-a6b4-c40b1f434da3@w12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, JG
    <jgrove24@hotmail.com> wrote:

    > > > It was hilarious how the iphone-1 became just an ipod after iphone-2
    > > > came out.

    > >
    > > Where did you get that ridiculous idea from?

    >
    > July 2, 2008
    > "Original iPhone owners who prefer not to give away or sell their old
    > iPhones after upgrading to an iPhone 3G can instead keep their devices
    > and use them as WiFi-enabled iPods, AT&T has confirmed.


    yes, but they can also still be used as iphones if someone wants to
    sign up with a carrier. quite a few were unlocked and used on t-mobile
    (or other international carriers). or they can be used without any
    carrier as an ipod.
     
  17. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes:

    >> And not having several carriers to pick from is not good for the
    >> market anyway. Hell, this is not a market at all.

    >
    > How many iPhone carriers do you have to choose from?


    Meanwhile you can get an iPhone from all carriers in Germany, with a
    contract or without one.


    Jochem

    --
    "A designer knows he has arrived at perfection not when there is no
    longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away."
    - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
     

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