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NY Blackout and Cell Usage

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by UsenetMeister, Sep 8, 2003.

  1. Justa Lurker

    Justa Lurker Guest

    It was 15 Aug 2003 08:48:52 -0700, and steve.w@webmail.co.za
    (steve) wrote in alt.cellular:
    | photos of power plant that cause blackout

    Er, no. The authorities STILL have not decided who was at fault.

    JL


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  2. "Steve & Susan" <moc.enilepip@ykkams> wrote in message
    news:bqmpjv8tuk1m8nr1d9925v4d9et42u2p53@4ax.com...
    > Sad commentary. At what point in the evolution of our society did
    > wireline telephones ever require battteries?


    Oh, since about 1876. :cool: Of course the batteries were all at the CO. Long
    banks of racks filled with large, glass-tank, zinc-copper cells. WECO knew
    how to build stuff, that's for sure. Of course a cellphone built that way
    would weigh 87 lbs but it could survive a nuclear blast.
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  3. > It was Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:18:39 -0000, and chrisgowen@starband.net
    > (Chris Gowen) wrote in alt.cellular:
    > | I don't know about anyone Else but i know VZW is online


    The towers were fine...I had a signal. But the paths to landlines were
    overloaded. And calling a vzw customer right across from me at the same
    table resulted in Calling...for six or seven attempts and then when I could
    finally get a channel to the tower it would ring thru to his voicemail.
    Calls to me were like that for several hours. There were obviously lots
    of vzw customers all tryin to call ot get called at the same time in my
    area....lol Alltel and attws seemed unaffected. I am in Northeast Ohio
    and was in a black part of Summit County at the time. Text messaging
    from vzw to vzw failed as well, but I guess thats to be expected...lol
    It was at least two hours before my phone would ring from a landline and
    even then it was spotty due to overload.




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  4. zigfire1

    zigfire1 Guest

    You mention that T-MO did so well on 911, although not everyone had to make
    a phone call on that dreadful day. Most people were simply glued to the
    tube watching. The current power outage has personally affected practically
    every single person living in NY, and surrounding areas. Everyone would
    have needed to attempt to telephone for a ride home, a cab, see if family
    members were ok, if friends were affected etc. This is WAY more than ANY
    cellular/digital phone network can handle at one time.
    Zig.

    "UsenetMeister" <no.spam@please> wrote in message
    news:CbV_a.9216$u%2.4820@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
    > <David> wrote in message news:vjo6is39cj852e@corp.supernews.com...
    > > I'm curious to see what cell companies, (Verizon, Nextel, etc.)

    continued
    > to
    > > have service in the affected areas during the black out and who did not.
    > > Thanks in advance.

    >
    > T-Mobile had service for perhaps about 20-30 minutes into it, but has

    since
    > croaked. Some of my NY friends are reporting others phones working --

    don't
    > know which service tho...
    >
    > I'm disappointed in T-Mo's ability to work under adverse conditions --

    they
    > did so well on 9/11...
    >
    >
  5. Brad

    Brad Guest

    And how many zillions of the calls were totally a waist of cell tower time.
    At a time like that, everyone should stay off the friggin phone unless it's
    a REAL emergency.
    But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, lets tie it all up with inane conversations.

    "Mark E. Daniel" <mark@atarimax.com> wrote in message
    news:3f3d7596_1@corp.newsgroups.com...
    > > It was Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:18:39 -0000, and chrisgowen@starband.net
    > > (Chris Gowen) wrote in alt.cellular:
    > > | I don't know about anyone Else but i know VZW is online

    >
    > The towers were fine...I had a signal. But the paths to landlines were
    > overloaded. And calling a vzw customer right across from me at the same
    > table resulted in Calling...for six or seven attempts and then when I

    could
    > finally get a channel to the tower it would ring thru to his voicemail.
    > Calls to me were like that for several hours. There were obviously lots
    > of vzw customers all tryin to call ot get called at the same time in my
    > area....lol Alltel and attws seemed unaffected. I am in Northeast Ohio
    > and was in a black part of Summit County at the time. Text messaging
    > from vzw to vzw failed as well, but I guess thats to be expected...lol
    > It was at least two hours before my phone would ring from a landline and
    > even then it was spotty due to overload.
    >
    >
    >
    >
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  6. AFAIK all VZW cell sites have diesel generators with enough fuel for
    about 2 days - at least in NJ. One way to tell if a site is VZW is to
    look at the shed. Verizon typically uses a large shelter about 10x20'
    and there is an exhaust for the generator engine through the roof.
    THe exhaust pipe is about 2" in diameter and is a foot or so and
    extends above the roof a foot or so.

    On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:12:57 -0000, WhizKid@einstein.iq (Whiz Kid)
    wrote:

    >Verizon landline phones will never be affected by power outages. Unlike
    >wireless companies, landline companies have all their COs and switching
    >centers are run by batteries, which are charged by electricity. If there
    >is a power failture, automatically diesel powered generators start
    >charging the batteries. So Verizon landline phones can work for MONTHS
    >during a power outage.
    >
    >-WK.
    >
    >James Knott <bit_bucket@rogers.com> wrote in article
    ><xk3%a.166733$4UE.21437@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>:
    >> John Eckart wrote:
    >>
    >> > Can anyone tell me if the landline phones work during blackouts in NY?
    >> >

    >>
    >> Land line phones are generally not affected by power outages, as the phone
    >> system is run on batteries, with several hours capacity and they also have
    >> back up generators.
    >>
    >> --
    >>
    >> Fundamentalism is fundamentally wrong.
    >>
    >> To reply to this message, replace everything to the left of "@" with
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  7. On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:57:19 -0700, Group Special Mobile
    <look@signature_to.reply> wrote:

    >You either have a short memory or you've never lived through a major
    >event in the 50's, 60's, 70's or 80's.


    You must not have a GETS card.

    Steve
  8. On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:59:27 -0700, Group Special Mobile
    <look@signature_to.reply> wrote:

    >Except you cannot blame that on a CLEC when the CLEC is using the
    >infrastructure of the ILEC which is what a lot of these new companies
    >are. They have no physical plant and only resell service of rhe ILEC.
    >That's not always the case, but at least for the first few years of
    >non ILEC phone service that's the way it's been.


    True, but I'm referring to facilities-based CLECs and particularly to
    CLECs who supply dialtone over cable TV infrastructure. Most people I
    know complained about the MTBF of cable TV and they were the first
    ones to jump on board the system to save $0.05.

    Resellers and UNE providers are another unique breed (especially the
    ones who advertise on daytime TV), particularly when approached to
    submit 9-1-1 revenue.

    Steve
  9. On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:06:47 -0500, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

    >... but as mentioned, whether the
    >phone had power isn't the point.


    I guess you were referring to the CO battery.

    Steve
  10. On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:22:40 -0500, "Donald Newcomb"
    <DRNewcomb@attglobal.NOT.net> wrote:

    >Of course a cellphone built that way
    >would weigh 87 lbs but it could survive a nuclear blast.


    It's been 13 years since I was in the cellular business. I worked on a
    good deal of the AMPS build-out in the NYC area back then before I
    moved into the low-tech, grimy world of public safety communications,
    but many of our COs back then had banks of jars just like that. One
    time a cellsite technician dropped a wrench across the bussbar... it
    welded in place and then melted. Those were the days!

    I suppose NiMH would be a better bet for handhelds. LOL!

    Steve
  11. DevilsPGD

    DevilsPGD Guest

    In message <<bqmpjv8tuk1m8nr1d9925v4d9et42u2p53@4ax.com>> Steve & Susan
    <moc.enilepip@ykkams> did ramble:

    >> yea they did if your landline phone had a backup batery

    >
    >Sad commentary. At what point in the evolution of our society did
    >wireline telephones ever require battteries?


    Personally, I have a two line desk phone which normally "needs" power to
    operate. However, without power, it can still ring, dial, and the
    primary handset works. No headset, no speakerphone, no call display, no
    per-line ringtones, no mute, no hold, etc, but basic functionality is
    still there. Many/most/all should function the same way.

    My cordless (one line) has a backup battery in the base, but some
    functionality (base speakerphone, rotating encryption, multiple
    handsets, handset to handset call transfer, paging, etc) is lost without
    baseline power. I have about a week of standby, and about 3-4 hours of
    talktime on the base and 7-8 on the handset without a recharge.
    Additionally, the base and handset batteries are interchangeable, so I
    can pop the battery out of other handsets and put it in the base if I
    need to go beyond 3-4 hours on the cordless.

    I have enough UPS based power to run both ADSL modems and my cable
    modem, external switches and soho routers plus my laptop for upwards of
    12 hours (Assuming laptop batteries have a full charge -- If they're
    trying to charge it puts excess load on the UPS), plus 15+ minutes on
    all my in-house servers.

    Oh yeah, this is my apartment :)

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  12. "Brad" <me@here.invalid> wrote in message news:3f3c269d$1_3@newsfeed...
    > And how many zillions of the calls were totally a waist of cell tower

    time.
    > At a time like that, everyone should stay off the friggin phone unless

    it's
    > a REAL emergency.
    > But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, lets tie it all up with inane conversations.


    There is a distinct difference between, "Honey, nothing's working here. I'm
    walking to Bill's to crash there for the night. Bye" and "Oh, I'm so glad I
    got through to you. Let me tell you what happened to me today........". If
    people would just exercise a little self discipline, there would be plenty
    of capacity for important but non-emergency calls. But Noooooo! They just
    have to call everyone they know to vent and "process" and "think out loud".
    We have "the tragedy of the commons" applied to communications.

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  13. WEST

    WEST Guest

    Steve & Susan <moc.enilepip@ykkams> wrote in message news:<c22rjvgtl5s673ornglbui576o82u49rhh@4ax.com>...



    > I suppose i would be better OFF


    looking for a dog in the near future


    I THOUGH SUSAN WAS YOUR DOG

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  14. WEST

    WEST Guest

    <David> wrote in message news:vjo6is39cj852e@corp.supernews.com...
    > I'm curious to see what cell companies, (Verizon, Nextel, etc.) continued to
    > have service in the affected areas during the black out and who did not.
    > Thanks in advance.


    T-Mobile had service for perhaps about 20-30 minutes into it, but has since
    croaked. Some of my NY friends are reporting others phones working -- don't
    know which service tho...

    I'm disappointed in T-Mo's ability to work under adverse conditions -- they
    did so well on 9/11...
  15. Paul Kim

    Paul Kim Guest

    "Brad" <me@here.invalid> wrote:
    > And how many zillions of the calls were totally a waist of cell tower

    time.
    > At a time like that, everyone should stay off the friggin phone unless

    it's
    > a REAL emergency.
    > But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, lets tie it all up with inane conversations.


    Why not let the system do that? Any REAL emergency is 911. Cell towers will
    drop non-emergency calls, and switches will also drop calls, whenever you
    dial 911 and the tower is busy, so you're pretty much guaranteed the call.
  16. Rich Cacace

    Rich Cacace Guest

    Steve; It sounds like you worked for the Bell System at one time.

    "Steve & Susan" <moc.enilepip@ykkams> wrote in message
    news:bqmpjv8tuk1m8nr1d9925v4d9et42u2p53@4ax.com...
    > On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 02:05:48 -0000, shoxe427@yahoo.com (Asher Siboni)
    > wrote:
    >
    > > yea they did if your landline phone had a backup batery

    >
    > Sad commentary. At what point in the evolution of our society did
    > wireline telephones ever require battteries?
    >
    > Bring back the old Western Electric deskset (it didn't need
    > batteries).
    >
    > Steve
  17. On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:19:20 -0500, Steve & Susan
    <moc.enilepip@ykkams> wrote:

    >>You either have a short memory or you've never lived through a major
    >>event in the 50's, 60's, 70's or 80's.

    >
    >You must not have a GETS card.


    I'm not important enough to get a GETS. I'm glad that you are among
    the privileged that do.

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  18. momcat1  

    momcat1   Guest

    Funny thing about that. During the blackout we could use our cell
    phones in NY metro suburb, although it was not perfect. Today, two days
    later when our area is back to 'normal', we can't get a digital signal
    on the cells and our landline can't place any calls. But of course,
    that would never make the press.

    "Donald Newcomb" <DRNewcomb@attglobal.NOT.net> wrote in article
    <3f3ed49e_2@news1.prserv.net>:
    >
    > "Mark Filla" <KS4VT@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:vjthgg1vgh1i49@corp.supernews.com...
    > > Recent article on the blackout and voids in cellphone performance during
    > > the power outage:
    > >
    > > http://money.cnn.com/2003/08/15/technology/landlines/index.htm?cnn=yes

    >
    > Good article. Basic, but it still touched all the bases.
    > --
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  19. Mark Filla

    Mark Filla Guest

    I'm glad that you enjoyed the article.... ^5

    --
    Mark KS4VT


    X1XX@hotmail.com (CCCC1 1CCCC) wrote in article
    <vjtjbgei39t41a@corp.supernews.com>:
    > Hey VEALOTS read it if you can, understand it, LIVE IT..... Truth not
    > excusses....
    >
    > KS4VT@yahoo.com (Mark Filla) wrote in article
    > <vjthgg1vgh1i49@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > Recent article on the blackout and voids in cellphone performance during
    > > the power outage:
    > >
    > > http://money.cnn.com/2003/08/15/technology/landlines/index.htm?cnn=yes
    > >
    > > --
    > > Mark KS4VT
    > >
    > >
    > > Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in article
    > > <ZFOdnR46S8pAMKOiXTWJhg@lmi.net>:
    > > > In alt.cellular Group Special Mobile <look@signature_to.reply> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > >>There is no difference. Cingular uses T-Mobile's network in New York.
    > > > >
    > > > > Well duh! (thus the yeah right!)
    > > >
    > > > Okay, but some people aren't aware of that! :)
    > > >
    > > > --
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    > >
    > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

    >
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