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One Good Reason?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Nextel Rocks, Sep 19, 2003.

  1. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:00:36 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >Would you say PTT is more trivial than a camera phone?


    Not if it's implemented properly. Verizon isn't quite there yet.



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  2. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:00:36 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote:

    >Ray Dios wrote:
    >> Forget PTT, that is trivial, you don't PTT when calling 911!
    >> COVERAGE should be the foremost thing on anyone's mind when contracting with
    >> a cell phone carrier. Remember, low rates and promotions / free phones tend
    >> to cloud ones ability to reason when shopping for service. (Sprint and other
    >> carriers other than Verizon, Nextel,Cingular and AT$T are good at this)
    >> Your families lives could depend on it !
    >> If you have a wife and children, shouldn't they should be equipped with a
    >> phone that has the best coverage in the US?
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >Would you say PTT is more trivial than a camera phone?
    >

    PTT is moot with Alltel giving away unlimited M2M for $39 700 minute
    plans...(c;

    Who needs PTT when full duplex is UNLIMITED?!



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
  3. Larry W4CSC wrote:
    > On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:00:36 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    > <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Ray Dios wrote:
    >>
    >>>Forget PTT, that is trivial, you don't PTT when calling 911!
    >>>COVERAGE should be the foremost thing on anyone's mind when contracting with
    >>>a cell phone carrier. Remember, low rates and promotions / free phones tend
    >>>to cloud ones ability to reason when shopping for service. (Sprint and other
    >>>carriers other than Verizon, Nextel,Cingular and AT$T are good at this)
    >>>Your families lives could depend on it !
    >>>If you have a wife and children, shouldn't they should be equipped with a
    >>>phone that has the best coverage in the US?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>Would you say PTT is more trivial than a camera phone?
    >>

    >
    > PTT is moot with Alltel giving away unlimited M2M for $39 700 minute
    > plans...(c;
    >
    > Who needs PTT when full duplex is UNLIMITED?!
    >
    >
    >
    > Larry W4CSC
    >
    > 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    > gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    > conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

    Not really true- with one PTT, I can get a message to my entire group of
    employees, no matter where I am or they are (group call). Don't think
    anybody offers this as an easy duplex option.
  4. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    In article <rG6cb.1817$qK1.1904757@news2.news.adelphia.net>,
    Scott Stephenson <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote:
    >Not really true- with one PTT, I can get a message to my entire group of
    >employees, no matter where I am or they are (group call). Don't think
    >anybody offers this as an easy duplex option.


    I can see group call as an advantage of PTT. But to call one person,
    how is PTT better than M2M with the person's number on a speed dial
    (press and hold a digit key to dial, on Motorola phones anyway)?
  5. CharlesH wrote:
    > In article <rG6cb.1817$qK1.1904757@news2.news.adelphia.net>,
    > Scott Stephenson <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote:
    >
    >>Not really true- with one PTT, I can get a message to my entire group of
    >>employees, no matter where I am or they are (group call). Don't think
    >>anybody offers this as an easy duplex option.

    >
    >
    > I can see group call as an advantage of PTT. But to call one person,
    > how is PTT better than M2M with the person's number on a speed dial
    > (press and hold a digit key to dial, on Motorola phones anyway)?
    >

    The biggest advantage I can see is when quick messages are all that is
    needed- on most Nextel phones, a series of PTT sessions can be
    accomplished with the push of no more than two buttons (if there's more
    than a six second delay in the conversation), with an almost instant
    connection. This comes in handy when it is known that whatever is being
    looked for or done is going to take more than a few seconds, and the
    only response needed is a "got it" or "it worked". And in the mean
    time, both phones are available for other calls (if more than six
    seconds have elapsed). Yes, with call waiting, you can handle two at
    once, but it doesn't seem as efficient. And I won't disagree that in a
    lot of cases, a duplex call would be the option of choice. But if all I
    need to know is where you are, its much easier and more efficient to
    make a six second quick connection to find out- most regular calls don't
    even connect that fast. There is no doubt- this is a business tool, and
    Nextel (until recently) has always marketed it as such. The recent push
    is a reaction to Verizon, and a good business move. If someone is going
    to go after the individual consumer with a product that you are the
    master of, why shouldn't you do the same?
  6. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:44:55 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote:

    >Not really true- with one PTT, I can get a message to my entire group of
    >employees, no matter where I am or they are (group call). Don't think
    >anybody offers this as an easy duplex option.
    >

    That is its only advantage. I still think anyone needing PTT would be
    much better off on a trunked radio system with much more powerful
    walkies that have telephone interconnect than these FRAGILE little toy
    phones the employees crawling under houses can destroy in a week.
    I've seen good ol Motorola trunked radios that look like someone drove
    a Bradley Fighting Vehicle over that still work just fine....even with
    the top half of the antenna missing and the spring wires sticking
    out....(c;





    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
  7. Stanley settled back into the couch, and
    Larry W4CSC <nospam@home.com> said to him:
    > Who needs PTT when full duplex is UNLIMITED?!


    You've never worked with PTT extensively, have you?

    Full duplex is *not* a complete substitute, by any stretch.

    Cheers,
    -- jra
    --
    Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com
    Member of the Technical Staff Baylink
    The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think
    Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274

    God, unlike Anya, is fond of bunnies. -- Chelsea Christenson
  8. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:36:54 GMT, nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) posted
    in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >PTT is moot with Alltel giving away unlimited M2M for $39 700 minute
    >plans...(c;


    Same with Verizon's $39 plan. M2M, N+W are all unlimited.

    >Who needs PTT when full duplex is UNLIMITED?!


    Round table? A few words every 5 minutes? There are certain
    advantages in a few limited cases.
  9. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:18:47 GMT, nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) posted
    in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >That is its only advantage. I still think anyone needing PTT would be
    >much better off on a trunked radio system with much more powerful
    >walkies that have telephone interconnect than these FRAGILE little toy
    >phones the employees crawling under houses can destroy in a week.
    >I've seen good ol Motorola trunked radios that look like someone drove
    >a Bradley Fighting Vehicle over that still work just fine....even with
    >the top half of the antenna missing and the spring wires sticking
    >out....(c;


    Until you have to go 3 states over. Then you need a cell phone or a
    short contract with another repeater owner. Unless you're a ham and
    aren't going to discuss business. :)
  10. Larry W4CSC wrote:
    > On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:44:55 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    > <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Not really true- with one PTT, I can get a message to my entire group of
    >>employees, no matter where I am or they are (group call). Don't think
    >>anybody offers this as an easy duplex option.
    >>

    >
    > That is its only advantage. I still think anyone needing PTT would be
    > much better off on a trunked radio system with much more powerful
    > walkies that have telephone interconnect than these FRAGILE little toy
    > phones the employees crawling under houses can destroy in a week.
    > I've seen good ol Motorola trunked radios that look like someone drove
    > a Bradley Fighting Vehicle over that still work just fine....even with
    > the top half of the antenna missing and the spring wires sticking
    > out....(c;
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Larry W4CSC
    >
    > 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    > gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    > conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

    sounds like the Nextel i700 or their new version (i58 I think). Both
    built to military standards. I used to drop my i700 off my belt quite
    frequently, and it would bounce about 18 inches in the air. Never had a
    problem.
  11. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 01:41:40 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote:

    >sounds like the Nextel i700 or their new version (i58 I think). Both
    >built to military standards. I used to drop my i700 off my belt quite
    >frequently, and it would bounce about 18 inches in the air. Never had a
    >problem.
    >

    That won't be much of an issue with the fragile V60p. Hey! Maybe
    THAT's why Verizon has the real estate lady hit with the rake handle
    and the construction guy hit with the swing! They're trying to show
    how rugged Nextel iDen phones are!.....(c;



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
  12. Stanley settled back into the couch, and
    Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> said to him:
    > >Who needs PTT when full duplex is UNLIMITED?!

    >
    > Round table? A few words every 5 minutes? There are certain
    > advantages in a few limited cases.


    I would assert, based on Nextel's commercial success over the past decade,
    that those cases aren't nearly as limited as you paint them. :)

    Cheers,
    -- jra
    --
    Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com
    Member of the Technical Staff Baylink
    The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think
    Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274

    God, unlike Anya, is fond of bunnies. -- Chelsea Christenson

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