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Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Todd Allcock, Mar 14, 2012.

  1. NotMe

    NotMe Guest

    "Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message
    news:jjtejd$9ef$1@dont-email.me...
    > NotMe wrote on [Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:57:58 -0500]:
    >>
    >> "Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message
    >> news:jjt5rt$k5p$1@dont-email.me...
    >>> sms88 wrote on [Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:59:00 -0700]:
    >>>> On 3/14/2012 8:09 PM, tycho wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> I'm in exactly the same boat; but with judicious use of "ubiquitous
    >>>>> WiFi"
    >>>>> (tm) I've never used more than a couple of MB on the standard plan in
    >>>>> any
    >>>>> given month.
    >>>>
    >>>> It's amazing to see the amount of free Wi-Fi out there, and increasing.
    >>>> One really nice thing is entities with secure Wi-Fi adding a second
    >>>> network for public use. I've seen this on a lot of college campuses
    >>>> that
    >>>> we've visited lately. We visited University of Nevada and I asked the
    >>>> tour guide about Wi-Fi and she told me to stop by the library and
    >>>> they'd
    >>>> give me a free day pass, but many universities don't require this extra
    >>>> step.
    >>>>
    >>>> Last night we ate at a restaurant in Palo Alto, full of Google and
    >>>> Facebook employees, and the restaurant had the Wi-Fi password on the
    >>>> menu and painted on the wall. It's actually becoming rare to NOT have
    >>>> Wi-Fi, and it's not limited to just techie areas.
    >>>
    >>> You're still in fairyland.
    >>>
    >>> Most places still do not have wifi

    >>
    >> Even Mayberry (Mount Olive) NC (recall Andy Griffin) has wifi, in fact
    >> it's
    >> city wide and it's free.

    >
    > Very few places have town or city wide wifi


    The point was that wifi is a lot more common than the post suggested.
     



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  2. On 3/15/12 11:47 AM, tycho wrote:
    > "sms88"<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
    > news:jjs96h$dq$2@dont-email.me...
    >> On 3/14/2012 8:09 PM, tycho wrote:
    >>
    >>> Best you can do is PP's "The 12," where you can get 10 (woo!) MB for $12
    >>> with $0.20/meg overage (along with 250/250 Min/Txt). 250/250/50 would
    >>> cost
    >>> you $20.
    >>>
    >>> I'm in exactly the same boat; but with judicious use of "ubiquitous WiFi"
    >>> (tm) I've never used more than a couple of MB on the standard plan in any
    >>> given month.

    >>
    >> What you have to watch out for on Android phones is applications that use
    >> 3G data surreptitiously for advertising, whenever you have 3G data on. The
    >> best way to avoid this is to root your phone and install droidwall
    >> <http://code.google.com/p/droidwall/>.

    >
    > True. I've got a Pixi -- WebOS -- so I use the "Data toggle" app. A simple
    > on-off switch, not nearly as comprehensive as Droidwall, but no data is used
    > at all unless I turn it on via that app.
    >
    >


    Is Data Toggle the exact name of the app? I couldn't find it or anything
    close in the app catalog.
     
  3. Justin

    Justin Guest

    NotMe wrote on [Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:55:10 -0500]:
    >
    > "Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message
    > news:jjtejd$9ef$1@dont-email.me...
    >> NotMe wrote on [Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:57:58 -0500]:
    >>>
    >>> "Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:jjt5rt$k5p$1@dont-email.me...
    >>>> sms88 wrote on [Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:59:00 -0700]:
    >>>>> On 3/14/2012 8:09 PM, tycho wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> I'm in exactly the same boat; but with judicious use of "ubiquitous
    >>>>>> WiFi"
    >>>>>> (tm) I've never used more than a couple of MB on the standard plan in
    >>>>>> any
    >>>>>> given month.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> It's amazing to see the amount of free Wi-Fi out there, and increasing.
    >>>>> One really nice thing is entities with secure Wi-Fi adding a second
    >>>>> network for public use. I've seen this on a lot of college campuses
    >>>>> that
    >>>>> we've visited lately. We visited University of Nevada and I asked the
    >>>>> tour guide about Wi-Fi and she told me to stop by the library and
    >>>>> they'd
    >>>>> give me a free day pass, but many universities don't require this extra
    >>>>> step.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Last night we ate at a restaurant in Palo Alto, full of Google and
    >>>>> Facebook employees, and the restaurant had the Wi-Fi password on the
    >>>>> menu and painted on the wall. It's actually becoming rare to NOT have
    >>>>> Wi-Fi, and it's not limited to just techie areas.
    >>>>
    >>>> You're still in fairyland.
    >>>>
    >>>> Most places still do not have wifi
    >>>
    >>> Even Mayberry (Mount Olive) NC (recall Andy Griffin) has wifi, in fact
    >>> it's
    >>> city wide and it's free.

    >>
    >> Very few places have town or city wide wifi

    >
    > The point was that wifi is a lot more common than the post suggested.


    Why? Most places do not have wifi.
     
  4. Justin

    Justin Guest

    SMS wrote on [Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:25:13 -0700]:
    > On 3/15/2012 11:57 AM, NotMe wrote:
    >
    >> Even Mayberry (Mount Olive) NC (recall Andy Griffin) has wifi, in fact it's
    >> city wide and it's free.
    >>
    >> Does the include 'everywhere'? No but enough everywhere to satisfy my needs.

    >
    > While most places have Wi-Fi, for the places that don't that's where you
    > use 3G.
    >
    > I'm at the Salesforce.com show in San Francisco today. Free Wi-Fi? You'd
    > be hard pressed to find a trade show where Wi-Fi _isn't_ available.


    Good luck using the wifi at a trade show.
    There are often problems with the 3g connections at trade shows
     
  5. On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:55:10 -0500, "NotMe" <me@privacy.net> wrote:

    >
    >"Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message
    >news:jjtejd$9ef$1@dont-email.me...
    >> NotMe wrote on [Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:57:58 -0500]:
    >>>
    >>> "Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:jjt5rt$k5p$1@dont-email.me...
    >>>> sms88 wrote on [Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:59:00 -0700]:
    >>>>> On 3/14/2012 8:09 PM, tycho wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> I'm in exactly the same boat; but with judicious use of "ubiquitous
    >>>>>> WiFi"
    >>>>>> (tm) I've never used more than a couple of MB on the standard plan in
    >>>>>> any
    >>>>>> given month.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> It's amazing to see the amount of free Wi-Fi out there, and increasing.
    >>>>> One really nice thing is entities with secure Wi-Fi adding a second
    >>>>> network for public use. I've seen this on a lot of college campuses
    >>>>> that
    >>>>> we've visited lately. We visited University of Nevada and I asked the
    >>>>> tour guide about Wi-Fi and she told me to stop by the library and
    >>>>> they'd
    >>>>> give me a free day pass, but many universities don't require this extra
    >>>>> step.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Last night we ate at a restaurant in Palo Alto, full of Google and
    >>>>> Facebook employees, and the restaurant had the Wi-Fi password on the
    >>>>> menu and painted on the wall. It's actually becoming rare to NOT have
    >>>>> Wi-Fi, and it's not limited to just techie areas.
    >>>>
    >>>> You're still in fairyland.
    >>>>
    >>>> Most places still do not have wifi
    >>>
    >>> Even Mayberry (Mount Olive) NC (recall Andy Griffin) has wifi, in fact
    >>> it's
    >>> city wide and it's free.

    >>
    >> Very few places have town or city wide wifi

    >
    >The point was that wifi is a lot more common than the post suggested.
    >



    Not really. I live in San Diego and open wifi access is hard to come
    by.
     
  6. NotMe

    NotMe Guest

    "Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message
    news:jjtvjs$a29$1@dont-email.me...
    > NotMe wrote on [Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:55:10 -0500]:
    >>
    >> "Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message
    >> news:jjtejd$9ef$1@dont-email.me...
    >>> NotMe wrote on [Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:57:58 -0500]:
    >>>>
    >>>> "Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:jjt5rt$k5p$1@dont-email.me...
    >>>>> sms88 wrote on [Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:59:00 -0700]:
    >>>>>> On 3/14/2012 8:09 PM, tycho wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I'm in exactly the same boat; but with judicious use of "ubiquitous
    >>>>>>> WiFi"
    >>>>>>> (tm) I've never used more than a couple of MB on the standard plan
    >>>>>>> in
    >>>>>>> any
    >>>>>>> given month.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> It's amazing to see the amount of free Wi-Fi out there, and
    >>>>>> increasing.
    >>>>>> One really nice thing is entities with secure Wi-Fi adding a second
    >>>>>> network for public use. I've seen this on a lot of college campuses
    >>>>>> that
    >>>>>> we've visited lately. We visited University of Nevada and I asked the
    >>>>>> tour guide about Wi-Fi and she told me to stop by the library and
    >>>>>> they'd
    >>>>>> give me a free day pass, but many universities don't require this
    >>>>>> extra
    >>>>>> step.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Last night we ate at a restaurant in Palo Alto, full of Google and
    >>>>>> Facebook employees, and the restaurant had the Wi-Fi password on the
    >>>>>> menu and painted on the wall. It's actually becoming rare to NOT have
    >>>>>> Wi-Fi, and it's not limited to just techie areas.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> You're still in fairyland.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Most places still do not have wifi
    >>>>
    >>>> Even Mayberry (Mount Olive) NC (recall Andy Griffin) has wifi, in fact
    >>>> it's
    >>>> city wide and it's free.
    >>>
    >>> Very few places have town or city wide wifi

    >>
    >> The point was that wifi is a lot more common than the post suggested.

    >
    > Why? Most places do not have wifi.


    The reality *may* be that most don't have wifi but enough do to meet the
    general need.

    We travel extensively by RV to some way out of the way places and with few
    exception have been able to find accessible wifi almost everywhere.

    In our retirement my wife manages her graphic design studios and I my
    engineering consultant business. And no it's not everywhere but sufficiently
    ubiquitous as to meet all our needs.

    To be crude clean wifi is almost as available as public rest rooms.
     
  7. NotMe

    NotMe Guest

    <nobody@nada.com> wrote in message
    news:9f15m7139841gv0csrmh5mppgcgog23efj@4ax.com...
    > On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:55:10 -0500, "NotMe" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>"Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message
    >>news:jjtejd$9ef$1@dont-email.me...
    >>> NotMe wrote on [Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:57:58 -0500]:
    >>>>
    >>>> "Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:jjt5rt$k5p$1@dont-email.me...
    >>>>> sms88 wrote on [Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:59:00 -0700]:
    >>>>>> On 3/14/2012 8:09 PM, tycho wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I'm in exactly the same boat; but with judicious use of "ubiquitous
    >>>>>>> WiFi"
    >>>>>>> (tm) I've never used more than a couple of MB on the standard plan
    >>>>>>> in
    >>>>>>> any
    >>>>>>> given month.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> It's amazing to see the amount of free Wi-Fi out there, and
    >>>>>> increasing.
    >>>>>> One really nice thing is entities with secure Wi-Fi adding a second
    >>>>>> network for public use. I've seen this on a lot of college campuses
    >>>>>> that
    >>>>>> we've visited lately. We visited University of Nevada and I asked the
    >>>>>> tour guide about Wi-Fi and she told me to stop by the library and
    >>>>>> they'd
    >>>>>> give me a free day pass, but many universities don't require this
    >>>>>> extra
    >>>>>> step.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Last night we ate at a restaurant in Palo Alto, full of Google and
    >>>>>> Facebook employees, and the restaurant had the Wi-Fi password on the
    >>>>>> menu and painted on the wall. It's actually becoming rare to NOT have
    >>>>>> Wi-Fi, and it's not limited to just techie areas.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> You're still in fairyland.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Most places still do not have wifi
    >>>>
    >>>> Even Mayberry (Mount Olive) NC (recall Andy Griffin) has wifi, in fact
    >>>> it's
    >>>> city wide and it's free.
    >>>
    >>> Very few places have town or city wide wifi

    >>
    >>The point was that wifi is a lot more common than the post suggested.

    >
    >
    > Not really. I live in San Diego and open wifi access is hard to come
    > by.


    Haven't been to SD in years so I can't comment on that availability. As I
    said in a previous post my wife and I are retied and travel extensively by
    RV and while we do have the option of one or more of the wireless data plans
    we find we can do 99.9% of what we need via public wifi all over the
    country.

    Some states (Texas comes to mind) you can be literally miles from the west
    side of nowhere and pull into a rest stop and have full access to the
    internet.
     
  8. tycho

    tycho Guest

    "Douglas C. Neidermeyer" <sgt@arms.omega.faber.edu> wrote in message
    news:jjtv5e$1nq$1@news.albasani.net...
    > On 3/15/12 11:47 AM, tycho wrote:
    >> "sms88"<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:jjs96h$dq$2@dont-email.me...
    >>> On 3/14/2012 8:09 PM, tycho wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Best you can do is PP's "The 12," where you can get 10 (woo!) MB for
    >>>> $12
    >>>> with $0.20/meg overage (along with 250/250 Min/Txt). 250/250/50 would
    >>>> cost
    >>>> you $20.
    >>>>
    >>>> I'm in exactly the same boat; but with judicious use of "ubiquitous
    >>>> WiFi"
    >>>> (tm) I've never used more than a couple of MB on the standard plan in
    >>>> any
    >>>> given month.
    >>>
    >>> What you have to watch out for on Android phones is applications that
    >>> use
    >>> 3G data surreptitiously for advertising, whenever you have 3G data on.
    >>> The
    >>> best way to avoid this is to root your phone and install droidwall
    >>> <http://code.google.com/p/droidwall/>.

    >>
    >> True. I've got a Pixi -- WebOS -- so I use the "Data toggle" app. A
    >> simple
    >> on-off switch, not nearly as comprehensive as Droidwall, but no data is
    >> used
    >> at all unless I turn it on via that app.
    >>

    > Is Data Toggle the exact name of the app? I couldn't find it or anything
    > close in the app catalog.


    Data Toggle is the exact name of the app.

    It's available on the "alternative" catalog: "PreWare", not the Palm
    catalog.

    "Preware is a homebrew package management application for your HP webOS
    device. Users can install any package from any of the open standard package
    feeds on preware.org (or any other location that hosts an open standard
    package feed).

    Preware is the most advanced installer currently available - it is the only
    on-device installer that can install applications, themes, and patches, as
    well as give access to over 1600 Linux programs."

    Check this out:

    http://www.webosnation.com/how-use-preware-homebrew-apps-patches-and-themes

    (I did this all a while ago and no longer remenber the install details. I
    think I had to load something from my PC to the Pixi via a USB cable. But
    Once that was done, the Preware catalog works great. I've never had the
    slightest problem, and have loaded countless tweaky apps, increased my
    default processor speed and added an app that down-clocks when unused --
    saving tons of battery power; stuff like that.)
     
  9. sms88

    sms88 Guest

    On 3/15/2012 5:45 PM, NotMe wrote:

    > We travel extensively by RV to some way out of the way places and with few
    > exception have been able to find accessible wifi almost everywhere.
    >
    > In our retirement my wife manages her graphic design studios and I my
    > engineering consultant business. And no it's not everywhere but sufficiently
    > ubiquitous as to meet all our needs.
    >
    > To be crude clean wifi is almost as available as public rest rooms.


    But more available than clean public rest rooms.

    It's rarely necessary to seek out free Wi-Fi, it seeks you out. We were
    out at Bryce Canyon National Park in Arizona a few weeks ago. Stopped in
    the visitor center for a few minutes. The Park Service provides free
    Wi-Fi (how nice to have some of your tax money going to things people
    actually will use!). Further out in the park there was no coverage at
    all, so it's not like 3G/4G does you much good out there anyway.

    The premise of Republic Wireless <http://republicwireless.com/> is good,
    and I hope it works out for them--offer a phone that uses Wi-Fi when
    available, 3G at other times (though it's Sprint 3G so it's of limited use).

    One thing with all that free Wi-Fi is that it's a good idea to have VPN
    provider for security. My ISP provides free VPN termination and I use it
    extensively.
     
  10. sms88

    sms88 Guest

    On 3/15/2012 5:15 PM, nobody@nada.com wrote:

    > Not really. I live in San Diego and open wifi access is hard to come
    > by.


    Here's over 1000 places in the San Diego area with free wi-fi.

    <http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=free+wifi&find_loc=San+Diego%2C+CA>

    Here's 173, though probably a lot of overlap:
    <http://www.openwifispots.com/citylist_free_wifi_wireless_hotspot-San_Diego_CA.aspx>

    This is only a small subset of course. I didn't see places like car
    repair shops, public parks, etc. on that list.

    Note that "free" wi-fi does not necessarily mean "open" wi-fi. I.e. a
    restaurant may have a password that they provide, a library may require
    the use of your library card, etc.
     
  11. On 3/15/12 9:53 PM, tycho wrote:
    > "Douglas C. Neidermeyer"<sgt@arms.omega.faber.edu> wrote in message
    > news:jjtv5e$1nq$1@news.albasani.net...
    >> On 3/15/12 11:47 AM, tycho wrote:
    >>> "sms88"<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:jjs96h$dq$2@dont-email.me...
    >>>> On 3/14/2012 8:09 PM, tycho wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Best you can do is PP's "The 12," where you can get 10 (woo!) MB for
    >>>>> $12
    >>>>> with $0.20/meg overage (along with 250/250 Min/Txt). 250/250/50 would
    >>>>> cost
    >>>>> you $20.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I'm in exactly the same boat; but with judicious use of "ubiquitous
    >>>>> WiFi"
    >>>>> (tm) I've never used more than a couple of MB on the standard plan in
    >>>>> any
    >>>>> given month.
    >>>>
    >>>> What you have to watch out for on Android phones is applications that
    >>>> use
    >>>> 3G data surreptitiously for advertising, whenever you have 3G data on.
    >>>> The
    >>>> best way to avoid this is to root your phone and install droidwall
    >>>> <http://code.google.com/p/droidwall/>.
    >>>
    >>> True. I've got a Pixi -- WebOS -- so I use the "Data toggle" app. A
    >>> simple
    >>> on-off switch, not nearly as comprehensive as Droidwall, but no data is
    >>> used
    >>> at all unless I turn it on via that app.
    >>>

    >> Is Data Toggle the exact name of the app? I couldn't find it or anything
    >> close in the app catalog.

    >
    > Data Toggle is the exact name of the app.
    >
    > It's available on the "alternative" catalog: "PreWare", not the Palm
    > catalog.
    >
    > "Preware is a homebrew package management application for your HP webOS
    > device. Users can install any package from any of the open standard package
    > feeds on preware.org (or any other location that hosts an open standard
    > package feed).
    >
    > Preware is the most advanced installer currently available - it is the only
    > on-device installer that can install applications, themes, and patches, as
    > well as give access to over 1600 Linux programs."
    >
    > Check this out:
    >
    > http://www.webosnation.com/how-use-preware-homebrew-apps-patches-and-themes
    >
    > (I did this all a while ago and no longer remenber the install details. I
    > think I had to load something from my PC to the Pixi via a USB cable. But
    > Once that was done, the Preware catalog works great. I've never had the
    > slightest problem, and have loaded countless tweaky apps, increased my
    > default processor speed and added an app that down-clocks when unused --
    > saving tons of battery power; stuff like that.)
    >
    >
    >


    Thanks for the very detailed response. I'll check it out!

    I use a Mac these days and will try from there-- but I have an old Dell
    laptop laying around someplace if I need to access the Preware stuff
    from Windows.
     
  12. sms88

    sms88 Guest

    On 3/14/2012 11:12 AM, Todd Allcock wrote:

    > "Also coming in the very near future, we're increasing the amount of data
    > on the Unlimited Talk n Text plan from 20 MB to 100 MB. We're confident
    > that this 5X increase in data will be a welcomed plan upgrade for many
    > customers who like the plan but need more data. The price of the plan,
    > which was just reduced by $5 in December, will remain unchanged at
    > $39.95.


    I wonder how many customers Pageplus could obtain if they made more of
    an effort at marketing. You can do social media marketing for pretty low
    cost. It's not an exaggeration to say that most people do not know they
    exist, and when you tell someone the rates the reaction is often one of
    disbelief.

    Yesterday I went to a Salesforce.com trade show in San Franciso. Driving
    up there with three other people. I (not driving) used an Android app
    that links into the city of San Francisco's database of parking garages
    and shows available spaces. I made some comment about not leaving my 3G
    data enabled all the time because I only get 100MB of data a month.
    Naturally this led to a discussion of cell phone plans. The others in
    the car were all paying far more for their monthly plans. Two were
    Luddites with feature phones, one had a Verizon iPhone.

    By the end of the ride all three were vowing to switch to Pageplus. The
    driver wants to switch his whole family off of AT&T's family plan onto
    TNT 1200, since he's paying more for four phones on AT&T family plan
    than $120. The iPhone user is paying about $115/month and not using
    enough data to make it worthwhile. I suggested she get an AT&T iPhone on
    StraightTalk (AT&T) if she really needed an iPhone, but in California
    using AT&T is not something a smart person will tolerate! Even during
    one of the sessions at the conference the presenter was apologizing for
    how long it was taking for an app he was showing to get data, blaming
    AT&T--everyone laughed, but it's really no joke.
     
  13. tycho

    tycho Guest

    "Douglas C. Neidermeyer" <sgt@arms.omega.faber.edu> wrote in message
    news:jjviou$uvi$1@news.albasani.net...
    > On 3/15/12 9:53 PM, tycho wrote:
    >> "Douglas C. Neidermeyer"<sgt@arms.omega.faber.edu> wrote in message
    >> news:jjtv5e$1nq$1@news.albasani.net...
    >>> On 3/15/12 11:47 AM, tycho wrote:
    >>>> "sms88"<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:jjs96h$dq$2@dont-email.me...
    >>>>> On 3/14/2012 8:09 PM, tycho wrote:

    *snip*
    >>> Is Data Toggle the exact name of the app? I couldn't find it or anything
    >>> close in the app catalog.

    >>
    >> Data Toggle is the exact name of the app.
    >>
    >> It's available on the "alternative" catalog: "PreWare", not the Palm
    >> catalog.
    >>
    >> "Preware is a homebrew package management application for your HP webOS
    >> device. Users can install any package from any of the open standard
    >> package
    >> feeds on preware.org (or any other location that hosts an open standard
    >> package feed).
    >>
    >> Preware is the most advanced installer currently available - it is the
    >> only
    >> on-device installer that can install applications, themes, and patches,
    >> as
    >> well as give access to over 1600 Linux programs."
    >>
    >> Check this out:
    >>
    >> http://www.webosnation.com/how-use-preware-homebrew-apps-patches-and-themes
    >>
    >> (I did this all a while ago and no longer remenber the install details.
    >> I
    >> think I had to load something from my PC to the Pixi via a USB cable.
    >> But
    >> Once that was done, the Preware catalog works great. I've never had the
    >> slightest problem, and have loaded countless tweaky apps, increased my
    >> default processor speed and added an app that down-clocks when unused --
    >> saving tons of battery power; stuff like that.)
    >>

    > Thanks for the very detailed response. I'll check it out!
    >
    > I use a Mac these days and will try from there-- but I have an old Dell
    > laptop laying around someplace if I need to access the Preware stuff from
    > Windows.


    I don't know if you can do the initial install via a Mac. You'd think so,
    because a lot of this stuff is Linux-centric. But yes, that old Dell laptop
    might come in handy (pretty sure I did the initial config from =my= old Dell
    laptop...)

    Good luck! Preware is great, IMHO...
     
  14. tlvp

    tlvp Guest

    On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:53:38 -0500, tycho wrote:

    > "Preware is a homebrew package management application for your HP webOS
    > device. Users can install any package from any of the open standard package
    > feeds on preware.org (or any other location that hosts an open standard
    > package feed).
    >
    > Preware is the most advanced installer currently available - it is the only
    > on-device installer that can install applications, themes, and patches, as
    > well as give access to over 1600 Linux programs."
    >
    > Check this out:
    >
    > http://www.webosnation.com/how-use-preware-homebrew-apps-patches-and-themes


    PalmOne Treo 650 pre-dates Pre and Pixi by quite some time -- anything here
    on Preware tailored to Treo 650? Or is Treo 650 way too old for any o'that?

    TIA; cheers, -- tlvp
    --
    Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
     
  15. tycho

    tycho Guest

    "tlvp" <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote in message
    news:1erncya4s55wd.1kff5aafkcl88$.dlg@40tude.net...
    > On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:53:38 -0500, tycho wrote:
    >
    >> "Preware is a homebrew package management application for your HP webOS
    >> device. Users can install any package from any of the open standard
    >> package
    >> feeds on preware.org (or any other location that hosts an open standard
    >> package feed).
    >>
    >> Preware is the most advanced installer currently available - it is the
    >> only
    >> on-device installer that can install applications, themes, and patches,
    >> as
    >> well as give access to over 1600 Linux programs."
    >>
    >> Check this out:
    >>
    >> http://www.webosnation.com/how-use-preware-homebrew-apps-patches-and-themes

    >
    > PalmOne Treo 650 pre-dates Pre and Pixi by quite some time -- anything
    > here
    > on Preware tailored to Treo 650? Or is Treo 650 way too old for any
    > o'that?
    >
    > TIA; cheers, -- tlvp


    Dunno. I suspect that particular site is HP WebOS only; no PalmOS; but you
    should check to be sure. I have, however, seen sites for PalmOS goodness,
    so let Google be your guide...
     
  16. On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 06:34:32 -0700, sms88 <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    wrote:

    >On 3/15/2012 5:15 PM, nobody@nada.com wrote:
    >
    >> Not really. I live in San Diego and open wifi access is hard to come
    >> by.

    >
    >Here's over 1000 places in the San Diego area with free wi-fi.
    >
    ><http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=free+wifi&find_loc=San+Diego%2C+CA>
    >
    >Here's 173, though probably a lot of overlap:
    ><http://www.openwifispots.com/citylist_free_wifi_wireless_hotspot-San_Diego_CA.aspx>
    >
    >This is only a small subset of course. I didn't see places like car
    >repair shops, public parks, etc. on that list.
    >
    >Note that "free" wi-fi does not necessarily mean "open" wi-fi. I.e. a
    >restaurant may have a password that they provide, a library may require
    >the use of your library card, etc.



    Looking at the lists, if you remove hotels and coffee shops, the
    number drops pretty fast. My statement was based on trying it the
    places I go, and I don't drink coffee.
     
  17. SMS

    SMS Guest

    On 3/17/2012 10:15 AM, nobody@nada.com wrote:

    > Looking at the lists, if you remove hotels and coffee shops, the
    > number drops pretty fast. My statement was based on trying it the
    > places I go, and I don't drink coffee.


    Experts Agree―Coffee is Good Food

    Asthma
    <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20091514>

    Bladder Cancer
    <http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=coffee-reduces-risk-of-bl>

    Colon Cancer
    <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/10/031015031251.htm>

    Prostate Cancer
    <http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20110517/coffee-may-lower-prostate-cancer-risk>

    Dehydration
    <http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=50654>

    Dementia and Alzheimer's
    <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/24/health/research/24coffee.html>

    Depression
    <http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/27/us-coffee-depression-idUSTRE78Q3GK20110927>

    Type 2 Diabetes
    <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/01/110113102200.htm>

    Gallstones
    <http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/281/22/2106.abstract>

    Headaches
    <http://www.konajoe.com/coffee_is_good_for_you4.html>

    Heart Disease
    <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7837800/Tea-and-coffee-reduce-heart-disease-risk-study-suggests.html>
    <http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-06-16-coffee-heart-disease_N.htm>

    Abnormal Heart Rhythms
    <http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20100302/coffee-may-cut-risk-heart-rhythm-problems>

    Kidney Stones
    <http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/143/3/240.full.pdf>

    Parkinson's
    <http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/09/29/us-parkinsons-coffee-idUSTRE68S4ZC20100929>

    Radiation Poisoning
    <http://www.naturalnews.com/032831_radiation_seaweed.html>

    Skin Cancer
    <http://www.webmd.com/melanoma-skin-cancer/news/20111024/coffee-fights-common-skin-cancer>

    Filtered Coffee Versus French Press or Boiled Coffee
    <http://camsgrocery.com/cams-news/filtered-or-french-press-which-brewing-method-is-healthier/>
     
  18. Todd Allcock

    Todd Allcock Guest

    At 17 Mar 2012 10:35:07 -0700 SMS wrote:

    > On 3/17/2012 10:15 AM, nobody@nada.com wrote:
    >

    > > Looking at the lists, if you remove hotels and coffee shops, the
    > > number drops pretty fast. My statement was based on trying it the
    > > places I go, and I don't drink coffee.

    >
    > Experts Agree―Coffee is Good Food



    <Snip links extolling the virtues of coffee...>

    So, you're suggesting people develop a coffee habit to support your WiFi
    is everywhere theory?

    Thank God free WiFi isn't common at meth labs! ;)
     
  19. NotMe

    NotMe Guest

    <nobody@nada.com> wrote in message
    news:meh9m7pviaruubmcnofjth9mv7hod4jgbs@4ax.com...
    > On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 06:34:32 -0700, sms88 <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>On 3/15/2012 5:15 PM, nobody@nada.com wrote:
    >>
    >>> Not really. I live in San Diego and open wifi access is hard to come
    >>> by.

    >>
    >>Here's over 1000 places in the San Diego area with free wi-fi.
    >>
    >><http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=free+wifi&find_loc=San+Diego%2C+CA>
    >>
    >>Here's 173, though probably a lot of overlap:
    >><http://www.openwifispots.com/citylist_free_wifi_wireless_hotspot-San_Diego_CA.aspx>
    >>
    >>This is only a small subset of course. I didn't see places like car
    >>repair shops, public parks, etc. on that list.
    >>
    >>Note that "free" wi-fi does not necessarily mean "open" wi-fi. I.e. a
    >>restaurant may have a password that they provide, a library may require
    >>the use of your library card, etc.

    >
    >
    > Looking at the lists, if you remove hotels and coffee shops, the
    > number drops pretty fast. My statement was based on trying it the
    > places I go, and I don't drink coffee.


    Like the man said if you can't find a hotspot you're just not looking. In
    your case you're not only not looking you're unwilling to look.
     
  20. Justin

    Justin Guest

    Todd Allcock wrote on [Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:21:29 -0600]:
    > At 17 Mar 2012 10:35:07 -0700 SMS wrote:
    >> On 3/17/2012 10:15 AM, nobody@nada.com wrote:
    >>
    >> > Looking at the lists, if you remove hotels and coffee shops, the
    >> > number drops pretty fast. My statement was based on trying it the
    >> > places I go, and I don't drink coffee.

    >>
    >> Experts Agree―Coffee is Good Food

    >
    >
    > <Snip links extolling the virtues of coffee...>
    >
    > So, you're suggesting people develop a coffee habit to support your WiFi
    > is everywhere theory?
    >
    > Thank God free WiFi isn't common at meth labs! ;)


    Hah! +1
     

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