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Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Todd Allcock, Mar 14, 2012.

  1. Justin

    Justin Guest

    NotMe wrote on [Sat, 17 Mar 2012 14:23:26 -0500]:
    >
    >
    > Like the man said if you can't find a hotspot you're just not looking. In
    > your case you're not only not looking you're unwilling to look.


    The point is that I need connectivity where I am, not where I may be
    able to go.
     



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  2. On 3/17/2012 4:59 PM, Justin wrote:
    > NotMe wrote on [Sat, 17 Mar 2012 14:23:26 -0500]:
    >>
    >>
    >> Like the man said if you can't find a hotspot you're just not looking. In
    >> your case you're not only not looking you're unwilling to look.

    >
    > The point is that I need connectivity where I am, not where I may be
    > able to go.


    Unless you are willing and able to spend millions or billions of dollars
    building hotspots at each and every location where you might need
    connectivity, you are going to have to go where connectivity exists.

    I don't know about you, but I can't afford to build my own hotspots.
    Fortunately, VZW provides excellent coverage where I am and just about
    any place I'm likely to be.

    If you must be able to make and/or receive calls wherever you are, you
    may need to get a satellite phone! They are NOT cheap but you can make
    a call from anywhere that you have "line of sight" to a communications
    satellite. They won't work under ground very well, if at all.

    They are not common! I have seen *one*.
     
  3. NotMe

    NotMe Guest

    "Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message
    news:jk2tv3$iuu$2@dont-email.me...
    > NotMe wrote on [Sat, 17 Mar 2012 14:23:26 -0500]:
    >>
    >>
    >> Like the man said if you can't find a hotspot you're just not looking.
    >> In
    >> your case you're not only not looking you're unwilling to look.

    >
    > The point is that I need connectivity where I am, not where I may be
    > able to go.


    The reality is if you want connectivity everywhere then plan to pay for it.
    If you want connectivity for free then:

    Let him that don't want none have fond memories of not getting any .... in
    all senses of the phrase.

    I have both as well as an appreciation for the limits of each.
     
  4. Todd Allcock

    Todd Allcock Guest

    At 17 Mar 2012 20:59:15 +0000 Justin wrote:
    > NotMe wrote on [Sat, 17 Mar 2012 14:23:26 -0500]:
    > >
    > >
    > > Like the man said if you can't find a hotspot you're just not
    > > looking. In your case you're not only not looking you're unwilling
    > > to look.

    >
    > The point is that I need connectivity where I am, not where I may be
    > able to go.



    Part of it is simply the different usage scenarios. Some folks need/want
    ubiquitous connectivity, and some don't. If you live and die by email,
    there'll never be enough WiFi to replace cellular data connectivity. If
    you're content to check a few times a day, you can get by with the WiFi
    offered by hotels, restaurants, coffee shops, etc.

    The mobile "killer app" for me (besides email) is online navigation,
    which does not lend itself well to occasional connectivity. I suspect I
    burn a couple hundred MBs a month on that alone. Could I use a dedicated
    PND or offline app? Sure, I could, but I'd be less productive. The
    traffic/road conditions offered by online apps are updated more often (my
    PND receives updates by radio, and covers *far* fewer roads) and extra
    features like selecting POIs or addresses by voice make online apps much
    easier and safer to use.

    Certainly I could pare down my data use by leveraging WiFi when
    available, but admittedly I don't bother unless I know I'll be
    downloading a lot. At home is one thing, where simply turning on WiFi
    connects, but dealing with the TOS acceptance or login portal web pages
    that the majority of free WiFi hotspots seem to require is too much of a
    gauntlet to run just to offset a few MB of cell data usage.
     
  5. SMS

    SMS Guest

    On 3/17/2012 12:21 PM, Todd Allcock wrote:
    > At 17 Mar 2012 10:35:07 -0700 SMS wrote:
    >> On 3/17/2012 10:15 AM, nobody@nada.com wrote:
    >>
    >>> Looking at the lists, if you remove hotels and coffee shops, the
    >>> number drops pretty fast. My statement was based on trying it the
    >>> places I go, and I don't drink coffee.

    >>
    >> Experts Agree―Coffee is Good Food

    >
    >
    > <Snip links extolling the virtues of coffee...>
    >
    > So, you're suggesting people develop a coffee habit to support your WiFi
    > is everywhere theory?


    No, they should develop a coffee habit because of the proven health
    benefits. The free Wi-Fi is a side benefit.
     
  6. On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:35:07 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    wrote:

    >On 3/17/2012 10:15 AM, nobody@nada.com wrote:
    >
    >> Looking at the lists, if you remove hotels and coffee shops, the
    >> number drops pretty fast. My statement was based on trying it the
    >> places I go, and I don't drink coffee.

    >
    >Experts Agree?Coffee is Good Food


    Except caffeine triggers my heart arrhythmia. I can do it with coffee,
    diet coke, black tea.
    >
    >Asthma
    ><http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20091514>
    >
    >Bladder Cancer
    ><http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=coffee-reduces-risk-of-bl>
    >
    >Colon Cancer
    ><http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/10/031015031251.htm>
    >
    >Prostate Cancer
    ><http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20110517/coffee-may-lower-prostate-cancer-risk>
    >
    >Dehydration
    ><http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=50654>
    >
    >Dementia and Alzheimer's
    ><http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/24/health/research/24coffee.html>
    >
    >Depression
    ><http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/27/us-coffee-depression-idUSTRE78Q3GK20110927>
    >
    >Type 2 Diabetes
    ><http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/01/110113102200.htm>
    >
    >Gallstones
    ><http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/281/22/2106.abstract>
    >
    >Headaches
    ><http://www.konajoe.com/coffee_is_good_for_you4.html>
    >
    >Heart Disease
    ><http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7837800/Tea-and-coffee-reduce-heart-disease-risk-study-suggests.html>
    ><http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-06-16-coffee-heart-disease_N.htm>
    >
    >Abnormal Heart Rhythms
    ><http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20100302/coffee-may-cut-risk-heart-rhythm-problems>
    >
    >Kidney Stones
    ><http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/143/3/240.full.pdf>
    >
    >Parkinson's
    ><http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/09/29/us-parkinsons-coffee-idUSTRE68S4ZC20100929>
    >
    >Radiation Poisoning
    ><http://www.naturalnews.com/032831_radiation_seaweed.html>
    >
    >Skin Cancer
    ><http://www.webmd.com/melanoma-skin-cancer/news/20111024/coffee-fights-common-skin-cancer>
    >
    >Filtered Coffee Versus French Press or Boiled Coffee
    ><http://camsgrocery.com/cams-news/filtered-or-french-press-which-brewing-method-is-healthier/>
     
  7. On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 14:23:26 -0500, "NotMe" <me@privacy.net> wrote:

    >
    ><nobody@nada.com> wrote in message
    >news:meh9m7pviaruubmcnofjth9mv7hod4jgbs@4ax.com...
    >> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 06:34:32 -0700, sms88 <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>On 3/15/2012 5:15 PM, nobody@nada.com wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Not really. I live in San Diego and open wifi access is hard to come
    >>>> by.
    >>>
    >>>Here's over 1000 places in the San Diego area with free wi-fi.
    >>>
    >>><http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=free+wifi&find_loc=San+Diego%2C+CA>
    >>>
    >>>Here's 173, though probably a lot of overlap:
    >>><http://www.openwifispots.com/citylist_free_wifi_wireless_hotspot-San_Diego_CA.aspx>
    >>>
    >>>This is only a small subset of course. I didn't see places like car
    >>>repair shops, public parks, etc. on that list.
    >>>
    >>>Note that "free" wi-fi does not necessarily mean "open" wi-fi. I.e. a
    >>>restaurant may have a password that they provide, a library may require
    >>>the use of your library card, etc.

    >>
    >>
    >> Looking at the lists, if you remove hotels and coffee shops, the
    >> number drops pretty fast. My statement was based on trying it the
    >> places I go, and I don't drink coffee.

    >
    >Like the man said if you can't find a hotspot you're just not looking. In
    >your case you're not only not looking you're unwilling to look.
    >

    I have my phone set to find wifi. How is that not looking? Unless you
    mean going someplace I don't want or need to go to find it.
     
  8. On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 17:28:31 -0400, "Richard B. Gilbert"
    <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:

    >On 3/17/2012 4:59 PM, Justin wrote:
    >> NotMe wrote on [Sat, 17 Mar 2012 14:23:26 -0500]:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Like the man said if you can't find a hotspot you're just not looking. In
    >>> your case you're not only not looking you're unwilling to look.

    >>
    >> The point is that I need connectivity where I am, not where I may be
    >> able to go.

    >
    >Unless you are willing and able to spend millions or billions of dollars
    >building hotspots at each and every location where you might need
    >connectivity, you are going to have to go where connectivity exists.


    In other words, wifi is everywhere you are willing to go that has it.
    >
    >I don't know about you, but I can't afford to build my own hotspots.
    >Fortunately, VZW provides excellent coverage where I am and just about
    >any place I'm likely to be.
    >
    >If you must be able to make and/or receive calls wherever you are, you
    >may need to get a satellite phone! They are NOT cheap but you can make
    >a call from anywhere that you have "line of sight" to a communications
    >satellite. They won't work under ground very well, if at all.
    >
    >They are not common! I have seen *one*.
     
  9. Todd Allcock

    Todd Allcock Guest

    At 17 Mar 2012 15:28:00 -0700 SMS wrote:

    > On 3/17/2012 12:21 PM, Todd Allcock wrote:

    > > At 17 Mar 2012 10:35:07 -0700 SMS wrote:

    > >> On 3/17/2012 10:15 AM, nobody@nada.com wrote:
    > >>
    > >>> Looking at the lists, if you remove hotels and coffee shops, the
    > >>> number drops pretty fast. My statement was based on trying it the
    > >>> places I go, and I don't drink coffee.
    > >>
    > >> Experts Agree―Coffee is Good Food

    > >
    > >
    > > <Snip links extolling the virtues of coffee...>
    > >
    > > So, you're suggesting people develop a coffee habit to support your

    WiFi

    > > is everywhere theory?

    >
    > No, they should develop a coffee habit because of the proven health
    > benefits. The free Wi-Fi is a side benefit.


    I'm not entirely convinced coffee's health benefits, like the benefits of
    alcohol consumption, are anything but justification for a habit, (and I
    say this as someone with a pot and a half a day habit, and it ain't for
    the Wifi!) Certainly studies have shown some benefits, but I'm not sure
    they outweigh the risks, at least significantly. I'm sure if you
    commissioned enough studies, you could link some heath benefit to hitting
    yourself on the head with a hammer.

    I've been a coffee drinker since I was a kid. (I'm from Rhode Island
    originally- long before there was a Starbucks on every corner in Seattle,
    there was Dunkin Donuts two to a corner in New England. RI kids drink
    coffee flavored milk- think chocolate milk made with a coffee flavored
    syrup instead of chocolate, and our McDonalds restaurants sold coffee
    flavored shakes. March was a rough time for our McDonalds- they had to
    decide whether to stop selling coffee or strawberry shakes for a month to
    accommodate the mint Shamrock shakes in their limited number of shake
    machines. Most dropped strawberry.)
     
  10. SMS

    SMS Guest

    On 3/17/2012 8:19 PM, Todd Allcock wrote:

    >> No, they should develop a coffee habit because of the proven health
    >> benefits. The free Wi-Fi is a side benefit.

    >
    > I'm not entirely convinced coffee's health benefits, like the benefits of
    > alcohol consumption, are anything but justification for a habit, (and I
    > say this as someone with a pot and a half a day habit, and it ain't for
    > the Wifi!) Certainly studies have shown some benefits, but I'm not sure
    > they outweigh the risks, at least significantly. I'm sure if you
    > commissioned enough studies, you could link some heath benefit to hitting
    > yourself on the head with a hammer.


    While it's true that correlation does not equal causation, the reason
    coffee has positive health effects is that it is rich in polyphenols, a
    class of antioxidants that have disease-fighting powers. Most people
    don't think of coffee as a medicinal herb, but it is. The "beans" are
    actually seeds of the coffee shrub, and therefore coffee is an herbal
    product.

    Remember that freshness is key to obtaining the maximum health benefit
    from coffee. The antioxidants lose their potency shortly after the
    coffee is brewed. Avoid coffee stored in large urns or in pots. Filtered
    coffee has a benefit over French Press or perked coffee because the
    fatty acids are filtered out.

    I'm not sure what you consider to be risks of drinking coffee. There is
    no reason to ever be without this healthful beverage. Drink it at home,
    drink it in your car, drink it while bicycling, drink it at work.

    Enjoy an Irish Coffee and a brownie which together contain all six
    essential food groups, salt, sugar, fat, caffeine, alcohol, and chocolate.
     
  11. Todd Allcock

    Todd Allcock Guest

    At 17 Mar 2012 21:04:02 -0700 SMS wrote:
    > On 3/17/2012 8:19 PM, Todd Allcock wrote:
    >
    > >> No, they should develop a coffee habit because of the proven health
    > >> benefits. The free Wi-Fi is a side benefit.

    > >
    > > I'm not entirely convinced coffee's health benefits, like the

    benefits of
    > > alcohol consumption, are anything but justification for a habit, (and

    I
    > > say this as someone with a pot and a half a day habit, and it ain't

    for
    > > the Wifi!) Certainly studies have shown some benefits, but I'm not

    sure
    > > they outweigh the risks, at least significantly. I'm sure if you
    > > commissioned enough studies, you could link some heath benefit to

    hitting
    > > yourself on the head with a hammer.

    >
    > While it's true that correlation does not equal causation, the reason
    > coffee has positive health effects is that it is rich in polyphenols, a
    > class of antioxidants that have disease-fighting powers.


    Lots of foods have anti-oxidants. I'm not sure that alone is a reason for
    folks who don't like coffee to start choking it down.

    > Most people
    > don't think of coffee as a medicinal herb, but it is.


    The same is often said of cannabis, and could theoretically be said of
    tobacco as well.

    > The "beans" are
    > actually seeds of the coffee shrub, and therefore coffee is an herbal
    > product.



    As is cannabis... or Nightshade! ;)

    > I'm not sure what you consider to be risks of drinking coffee. Thereis
    > no reason to ever be without this healthful beverage. Drink it at
    > home, drink it in your car, drink it while bicycling, drink it at work.


    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/coffee-and-health/AN01354

    "However, the research appears to bear out some risks. High consumption
    of unfiltered coffee is associated with mild elevations in cholesterol
    levels. And another study found that two or more cups of coffee a day can
    increase the risk of heart disease in people with a specific — and fairly
    common — genetic mutation that slows the breakdown of caffeine in the
    body...

    "...Finally, heavy caffeine use — on the order of four to seven cupsof
    coffee a day — can cause problems such as restlessness, anxiety,
    irritability and sleeplessness, particularly in susceptible
    individuals..."

    Again, I'm not suggesting it's bad for you, but it isn't exactly a tonic,
    either.
     
  12. SMS

    SMS Guest

    On 3/17/2012 9:41 PM, Todd Allcock wrote:

    > "However, the research appears to bear out some risks. High consumption
    > of unfiltered coffee is associated with mild elevations in cholesterol
    > levels.


    Yup. That's why it's recommended to drink filtered coffee, not French
    Press or perked coffee.
     
  13. tlvp

    tlvp Guest

    On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 14:23:26 -0500, NotMe wrote:

    > Like the man said if you can't find a hotspot you're just not looking. In
    > your case you're not only not looking you're unwilling to look.


    No point arguing about it -- it's like John Cage said about morels.

    Paraphrasing, "If you've almost never seen any, they're rare as hen's teeth
    .... until you start finding them, that is, and then you discover they're
    just about everywhere." :)

    Cheers, -- tlvp
    --
    Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
     
  14. Justin

    Justin Guest

    NotMe wrote on [Sat, 17 Mar 2012 16:40:06 -0500]:
    >
    > "Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message
    > news:jk2tv3$iuu$2@dont-email.me...
    >> NotMe wrote on [Sat, 17 Mar 2012 14:23:26 -0500]:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Like the man said if you can't find a hotspot you're just not looking.
    >>> In
    >>> your case you're not only not looking you're unwilling to look.

    >>
    >> The point is that I need connectivity where I am, not where I may be
    >> able to go.

    >
    > The reality is if you want connectivity everywhere then plan to pay for it.


    Of course, and I do. I have my phone AND a sprint USB cellular modem from
    work.
     
  15. NotMe

    NotMe Guest

    <nobody@nada.com> wrote in message
    news:n2kam7h39kvc1ocggb6qr12s58ppfr01kc@4ax.com...
    > On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 14:23:26 -0500, "NotMe" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >><nobody@nada.com> wrote in message
    >>news:meh9m7pviaruubmcnofjth9mv7hod4jgbs@4ax.com...
    >>> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 06:34:32 -0700, sms88 <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>On 3/15/2012 5:15 PM, nobody@nada.com wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Not really. I live in San Diego and open wifi access is hard to come
    >>>>> by.
    >>>>
    >>>>Here's over 1000 places in the San Diego area with free wi-fi.
    >>>>
    >>>><http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=free+wifi&find_loc=San+Diego%2C+CA>
    >>>>
    >>>>Here's 173, though probably a lot of overlap:
    >>>><http://www.openwifispots.com/citylist_free_wifi_wireless_hotspot-San_Diego_CA.aspx>
    >>>>
    >>>>This is only a small subset of course. I didn't see places like car
    >>>>repair shops, public parks, etc. on that list.
    >>>>
    >>>>Note that "free" wi-fi does not necessarily mean "open" wi-fi. I.e. a
    >>>>restaurant may have a password that they provide, a library may require
    >>>>the use of your library card, etc.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Looking at the lists, if you remove hotels and coffee shops, the
    >>> number drops pretty fast. My statement was based on trying it the
    >>> places I go, and I don't drink coffee.

    >>
    >>Like the man said if you can't find a hotspot you're just not looking. In
    >>your case you're not only not looking you're unwilling to look.
    >>

    > I have my phone set to find wifi. How is that not looking? Unless you
    > mean going someplace I don't want or need to go to find it.


    You sound not unlike a man that goes deer hunting in down town NYC who
    complains becaues the hunting is poor.
     
  16. On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:39:14 -0500, "NotMe" <me@privacy.net> wrote:

    >
    ><nobody@nada.com> wrote in message
    >news:n2kam7h39kvc1ocggb6qr12s58ppfr01kc@4ax.com...
    >> On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 14:23:26 -0500, "NotMe" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>><nobody@nada.com> wrote in message
    >>>news:meh9m7pviaruubmcnofjth9mv7hod4jgbs@4ax.com...
    >>>> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 06:34:32 -0700, sms88 <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    >>>> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>On 3/15/2012 5:15 PM, nobody@nada.com wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Not really. I live in San Diego and open wifi access is hard to come
    >>>>>> by.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Here's over 1000 places in the San Diego area with free wi-fi.
    >>>>>
    >>>>><http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=free+wifi&find_loc=San+Diego%2C+CA>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Here's 173, though probably a lot of overlap:
    >>>>><http://www.openwifispots.com/citylist_free_wifi_wireless_hotspot-San_Diego_CA.aspx>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>This is only a small subset of course. I didn't see places like car
    >>>>>repair shops, public parks, etc. on that list.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Note that "free" wi-fi does not necessarily mean "open" wi-fi. I.e. a
    >>>>>restaurant may have a password that they provide, a library may require
    >>>>>the use of your library card, etc.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Looking at the lists, if you remove hotels and coffee shops, the
    >>>> number drops pretty fast. My statement was based on trying it the
    >>>> places I go, and I don't drink coffee.
    >>>
    >>>Like the man said if you can't find a hotspot you're just not looking. In
    >>>your case you're not only not looking you're unwilling to look.
    >>>

    >> I have my phone set to find wifi. How is that not looking? Unless you
    >> mean going someplace I don't want or need to go to find it.

    >
    >You sound not unlike a man that goes deer hunting in down town NYC who
    >complains becaues the hunting is poor.
    >


    Amusing, but bad analogy. Hardly the same thing. Nobody said deer
    are everywhere.
     
  17. Smithk567

    Smithk567 Guest

     

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