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PRL 50152 to 50175 in NY

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by SmartyPants, Jun 14, 2004.

  1. SmartyPants

    SmartyPants Guest

    I think my update to 175 two months ago is causing me to have many, many
    calls lost when they never were lost before. The signal strength meter (LG
    VX 4400) looks about 2 bars less than it used to in my usual areas, but in
    certain sites where I do not remember good service, it is full strength. It
    also seems to flow and ebb. Finally, many more of my incoming calls are
    going right to voice mail. Being the over analyzing geek that I am, I
    suspect that PRL 50175 left off a number of my local sites (Queens, Nassau
    and possibly Suffolk) when a few were added. I recall others complaining of
    similar problems in NYC and Westchester. Tech support says there are no
    memos on the problem, but they will check into it if a good number of
    complaints come in. The phone is going into the shop in a day or two to end
    my frustration (I hope). Anyone else have a problem with 175? Oh, yeah, I
    took a friend's VX 6000 with 152 and full strength on the meter, upgraded to
    175 while the car was not moving, and the signal strength bar dropped 2
    bars. Very suspicious. I hope she does not kill me! Is there a way to
    down grade back to 152?
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  2. Dan Albrich

    Dan Albrich Guest

    I decoded the PRL's you mention, then did a "diff" on the text. I checked
    the SID's and priority changes. I wasn't able to find anything that should
    effect your service in New York. CDMA coverage area breathes which means
    that as you get more users, there is less usable signal. While some other
    cellular technology doesn't work this way, it literally means that you will
    see less usable signal when the system is at capacity. i.e. More people use
    their phone, and your signal strength indication absolutely does go down.

    You can watch this happen. Go to a place that's busy during the day at
    night (or sometime when its not busy). Check your phone's signal strength
    indicator. Go back to the same place with the same phone at say noon hour,
    or during rush hours. Check the signal strength again and you'll see what I
    mean.

    Verizon seems to be adding something like 2-3 million customers per quarter.
    Keeping up with capacity issues will be a definite problem for them. How
    well they address this issue will ultimately tell whether they get to keep
    all those new customers or not.

    Anyway, it's far more likely that what you are seeing is either capacity
    issues, or a bad phone.

    -Dan

    PS: I live in a small town, and we often get the james earl jones voice with
    something like "Welcome to Verizon Wireless, all circuits are busy now.
    Please try your call again later." I'm actually surprised this happens
    here, but other carriers have the same issues too, and from all reports
    AT&T, for example, is even worse in my neck of the woods.

    --
    Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    http://cell.uoregon.edu


    "SmartyPants" <schmartypantz@(remove_this)yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:cMuzc.122281$Nn4.26477980@twister.nyc.rr.com...
    > I think my update to 175 two months ago is causing me to have many, many
    > calls lost when they never were lost before. The signal strength meter

    (LG
    > VX 4400) looks about 2 bars less than it used to in my usual areas, but in
    > certain sites where I do not remember good service, it is full strength.

    It
    > also seems to flow and ebb. Finally, many more of my incoming calls are
    > going right to voice mail. Being the over analyzing geek that I am, I
    > suspect that PRL 50175 left off a number of my local sites (Queens, Nassau
    > and possibly Suffolk) when a few were added. I recall others complaining

    of
    > similar problems in NYC and Westchester. Tech support says there are no
    > memos on the problem, but they will check into it if a good number of
    > complaints come in. The phone is going into the shop in a day or two to

    end
    > my frustration (I hope). Anyone else have a problem with 175? Oh, yeah,

    I
    > took a friend's VX 6000 with 152 and full strength on the meter, upgraded

    to
    > 175 while the car was not moving, and the signal strength bar dropped 2
    > bars. Very suspicious. I hope she does not kill me! Is there a way to
    > down grade back to 152?
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    >
    >
     
  3. SmartyPants

    SmartyPants Guest

    > I decoded the PRL's you mention, then did a "diff" on the text. I checked
    > the SID's and priority changes. I wasn't able to find anything that should
    > effect your service in New York.


    Dan,
    Thanks for your info. Where are you able to find the text inside the
    PRL? I really hope the problem is the phone... that I have some control
    over.

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  4. SmartyPants (remove_this) wrote:
    > <edit>
    > Being the over analyzing geek that I am, I
    > suspect that PRL 50175 left off a number of my local sites (Queens,

    Nassau
    > and possibly Suffolk) when a few were added.
    > <edit>


    An important distinction, PRLs do *not* add or subtract individual
    sites, per se. PRLs add or subtract entire systems in specific
    geographic markets -- in conjunction referred to by SID &/or NID
    designations. PRLs also prioritize type of system acquisition -- AMPS,
    CDMA 800, CDMA 1900 -- as well as aid in CDMA carrier channel
    acquisition in the PCS bands. But PRLs do not include information
    about individual sites. If they did, PRLs would be ungainly MBs in
    size rather than reasonable KBs. And, at that size, OTA update -- as
    you did -- would also be nearly impossible.

    To view two example VZW PRLs, follow the links below. For the raw
    ASCII text of PRL 50160, follow the former. For a "decoded" PRL 50152,
    follow the latter.

    http://www.mountainwireless.com/50160.htm
    http://www.mountainwireless.com/50152.htm

    Andrew
    --
    Andrew Shepherd
    cinema@ku.edu
    cinema@sprintpcs.com
    http://www.wirelesswavelength.com/
     
  5. Dan Albrich

    Dan Albrich Guest

    www.justalurker.com has binary to text PRL conversion tool so you can see it
    in plain form. Getting the PRL off of your phone requires software for your
    phone, say bitpim http://bitpim.sourceforge.net/

    -Dan

    --
    Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    http://cell.uoregon.edu


    "SmartyPants" <schmartypantz@(remove_this)yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:ehwzc.79312$mX.26811391@twister.nyc.rr.com...
    > > I decoded the PRL's you mention, then did a "diff" on the text. I

    checked
    > > the SID's and priority changes. I wasn't able to find anything that

    should
    > > effect your service in New York.

    >
    > Dan,
    > Thanks for your info. Where are you able to find the text inside the
    > PRL? I really hope the problem is the phone... that I have some control
    > over.
    >
    > ------------------------------------------------------------
    > reply address bot resistant and human safe
    > ------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    >
     
  6. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    Something key to this discussion.
    If the phone is staying on the same SID/system, a PRL will make NO difference
    on how a phone performs. In other words, if the roam icon is not changing.

    A PRL only controls how the phone switches between SIDS, not how its receiver
    or transmitter functions.

    So unless those "missing" sites had a different SID, the PRL is NOT the issue.


    "SmartyPants" <schmartypantz@(remove_this)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:cMuzc.122281$Nn4.26477980@twister.nyc.rr.com...
    > I think my update to 175 two months ago is causing me to have many, many
    > calls lost when they never were lost before. The signal strength meter (LG
    > VX 4400) looks about 2 bars less than it used to in my usual areas, but in
    > certain sites where I do not remember good service, it is full strength. It
    > also seems to flow and ebb. Finally, many more of my incoming calls are
    > going right to voice mail. Being the over analyzing geek that I am, I
    > suspect that PRL 50175 left off a number of my local sites (Queens, Nassau
    > and possibly Suffolk) when a few were added. I recall others complaining of
    > similar problems in NYC and Westchester. Tech support says there are no
    > memos on the problem, but they will check into it if a good number of
    > complaints come in. The phone is going into the shop in a day or two to end
    > my frustration (I hope). Anyone else have a problem with 175? Oh, yeah, I
    > took a friend's VX 6000 with 152 and full strength on the meter, upgraded to
    > 175 while the car was not moving, and the signal strength bar dropped 2
    > bars. Very suspicious. I hope she does not kill me! Is there a way to
    > down grade back to 152?
    > ------------------------------------------------------------
    > reply address bot resistant and human safe
    > ------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    >
     
  7. ADVANSPEC

    ADVANSPEC Guest

    x-no-archive:yes

    The PRL Has NOTHING to do with individual cell sites or towers. It is simply a
    list of "other cell companies" (systems) that the phone is "allowed" to use
    when it can't find a Verizon signal.
    In the NYC/NNJ market, there isn't Any other systems in the current PRL, so
    your phone will either "search for Service" or display "no service" when you
    lose a VZW signal.
     
  8. ADVANSPEC

    ADVANSPEC Guest

    x-no-archive:yes

    The PRL Has NOTHING to do with individual cell sites or towers. It is simply a
    list of "other cell companies" (systems) that the phone is "allowed" to use
    when it can't find a Verizon signal.
    In the NYC/NNJ market, there isn't Any other systems in the current PRL, so
    your phone will either "search for Service" or display "no service" when you
    lose a VZW signal.
     
  9. ADVANSPEC

    ADVANSPEC Guest

    x-no-archive:yes

    The PRL Has NOTHING to do with individual cell sites or towers. It is simply a
    list of "other cell companies" (systems) that the phone is "allowed" to use
    when it can't find a Verizon signal.
    In the NYC/NNJ market, there isn't Any other systems in the current PRL, so
    your phone will either "search for Service" or display "no service" when you
    lose a VZW signal.
     
  10. ADVANSPEC

    ADVANSPEC Guest

    x-no-archive:yes

    The PRL Has NOTHING to do with individual cell sites or towers. It is simply a
    list of "other cell companies" (systems) that the phone is "allowed" to use
    when it can't find a Verizon signal.
    In the NYC/NNJ market, there isn't Any other systems in the current PRL, so
    your phone will either "search for Service" or display "no service" when you
    lose a VZW signal.
     
  11. ADVANSPEC

    ADVANSPEC Guest

    x-no-archive:yes

    The PRL Has NOTHING to do with individual cell sites or towers. It is simply a
    list of "other cell companies" (systems) that the phone is "allowed" to use
    when it can't find a Verizon signal.
    In the NYC/NNJ market, there isn't Any other systems in the current PRL, so
    your phone will either "search for Service" or display "no service" when you
    lose a VZW signal.
     
  12. ADVANSPEC

    ADVANSPEC Guest

    x-no-archive:yes

    The PRL Has NOTHING to do with individual cell sites or towers. It is simply a
    list of "other cell companies" (systems) that the phone is "allowed" to use
    when it can't find a Verizon signal.
    In the NYC/NNJ market, there isn't Any other systems in the current PRL, so
    your phone will either "search for Service" or display "no service" when you
    lose a VZW signal.
     
  13. ADVANSPEC

    ADVANSPEC Guest

    x-no-archive:yes

    The PRL Has NOTHING to do with individual cell sites or towers. It is simply a
    list of "other cell companies" (systems) that the phone is "allowed" to use
    when it can't find a Verizon signal.
    In the NYC/NNJ market, there isn't Any other systems in the current PRL, so
    your phone will either "search for Service" or display "no service" when you
    lose a VZW signal.
     
  14. ADVANSPEC

    ADVANSPEC Guest

    x-no-archive:yes

    The PRL Has NOTHING to do with individual cell sites or towers. It is simply a
    list of "other cell companies" (systems) that the phone is "allowed" to use
    when it can't find a Verizon signal.
    In the NYC/NNJ market, there isn't Any other systems in the current PRL, so
    your phone will either "search for Service" or display "no service" when you
    lose a VZW signal.
     
  15. ADVANSPEC

    ADVANSPEC Guest

    x-no-archive:yes

    The PRL Has NOTHING to do with individual cell sites or towers. It is simply a
    list of "other cell companies" (systems) that the phone is "allowed" to use
    when it can't find a Verizon signal.
    In the NYC/NNJ market, there isn't Any other systems in the current PRL, so
    your phone will either "search for Service" or display "no service" when you
    lose a VZW signal.
     
  16. ADVANSPEC

    ADVANSPEC Guest

    x-no-archive:yes

    The PRL Has NOTHING to do with individual cell sites or towers. It is simply a
    list of "other cell companies" (systems) that the phone is "allowed" to use
    when it can't find a Verizon signal.
    In the NYC/NNJ market, there isn't Any other systems in the current PRL, so
    your phone will either "search for Service" or display "no service" when you
    lose a VZW signal.
     
  17. ADVANSPEC

    ADVANSPEC Guest

    x-no-archive:yes

    The PRL Has NOTHING to do with individual cell sites or towers. It is simply a
    list of "other cell companies" (systems) that the phone is "allowed" to use
    when it can't find a Verizon signal.
    In the NYC/NNJ market, there isn't Any other systems in the current PRL, so
    your phone will either "search for Service" or display "no service" when you
    lose a VZW signal.
     
  18. ADVANSPEC

    ADVANSPEC Guest

    x-no-archive:yes

    The PRL Has NOTHING to do with individual cell sites or towers. It is simply a
    list of "other cell companies" (systems) that the phone is "allowed" to use
    when it can't find a Verizon signal.
    In the NYC/NNJ market, there isn't Any other systems in the current PRL, so
    your phone will either "search for Service" or display "no service" when you
    lose a VZW signal.
     
  19. ADVANSPEC

    ADVANSPEC Guest

    x-no-archive:yes

    The PRL Has NOTHING to do with individual cell sites or towers. It is simply a
    list of "other cell companies" (systems) that the phone is "allowed" to use
    when it can't find a Verizon signal.
    In the NYC/NNJ market, there isn't Any other systems in the current PRL, so
    your phone will either "search for Service" or display "no service" when you
    lose a VZW signal.
     
  20. ADVANSPEC

    ADVANSPEC Guest

    x-no-archive:yes

    The PRL Has NOTHING to do with individual cell sites or towers. It is simply a
    list of "other cell companies" (systems) that the phone is "allowed" to use
    when it can't find a Verizon signal.
    In the NYC/NNJ market, there isn't Any other systems in the current PRL, so
    your phone will either "search for Service" or display "no service" when you
    lose a VZW signal.
     

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