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PRL 50152 to 50175 in NY

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by SmartyPants, Jun 14, 2004.

  1. Dan Albrich

    Dan Albrich Guest

    > really? how much? Where do you see the cost vs. risk points?
    > 2 year contract with new-any-2 on one end and purchase your
    > own phone and activate month to month from the very start.
    >
    > -Quick


    If you monitor the cellular newsgroups over time, you will see a
    recurring question "How do I get out of my contract?"

    Some of these folks have planned poorly, others have had
    unforseen life changes (job layoffs etc). Others have had
    quality of service issues. i.e. Works great at my house, something
    changes, and now it doesn't work there at all, and nobody can
    fix it-- this really happens as I know people who it's happened to.

    For me, with 2 lines, to quit service, it's what $350. No thanks,
    I'd rather pay the $35 activation fee, and possible slight increase
    in phone price upfront, get a 1 year, and go month to month.

    If you make plan changes, or buy a new phone, contract length
    gets extended by the same increment you began with (this is
    true in my market, may not be in yours). i.e. 2 yr folks, will
    get extended 2 years if they make changes.

    If you want to give me a 2 year contract, give me something
    good for it. i.e. AT&T historically added 50% more peak
    minutes to anyone willing to take a 2 year contract. This benefit
    outweighs the risk. The meager discount Verizon gives for
    a two year contract is not worth even the cost of one month's bill.

    -Dan
     



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  2. Dan Albrich

    Dan Albrich Guest

    > really? how much? Where do you see the cost vs. risk points?
    > 2 year contract with new-any-2 on one end and purchase your
    > own phone and activate month to month from the very start.
    >
    > -Quick


    If you monitor the cellular newsgroups over time, you will see a
    recurring question "How do I get out of my contract?"

    Some of these folks have planned poorly, others have had
    unforseen life changes (job layoffs etc). Others have had
    quality of service issues. i.e. Works great at my house, something
    changes, and now it doesn't work there at all, and nobody can
    fix it-- this really happens as I know people who it's happened to.

    For me, with 2 lines, to quit service, it's what $350. No thanks,
    I'd rather pay the $35 activation fee, and possible slight increase
    in phone price upfront, get a 1 year, and go month to month.

    If you make plan changes, or buy a new phone, contract length
    gets extended by the same increment you began with (this is
    true in my market, may not be in yours). i.e. 2 yr folks, will
    get extended 2 years if they make changes.

    If you want to give me a 2 year contract, give me something
    good for it. i.e. AT&T historically added 50% more peak
    minutes to anyone willing to take a 2 year contract. This benefit
    outweighs the risk. The meager discount Verizon gives for
    a two year contract is not worth even the cost of one month's bill.

    -Dan
     
  3. Dan Albrich

    Dan Albrich Guest

    > really? how much? Where do you see the cost vs. risk points?
    > 2 year contract with new-any-2 on one end and purchase your
    > own phone and activate month to month from the very start.
    >
    > -Quick


    If you monitor the cellular newsgroups over time, you will see a
    recurring question "How do I get out of my contract?"

    Some of these folks have planned poorly, others have had
    unforseen life changes (job layoffs etc). Others have had
    quality of service issues. i.e. Works great at my house, something
    changes, and now it doesn't work there at all, and nobody can
    fix it-- this really happens as I know people who it's happened to.

    For me, with 2 lines, to quit service, it's what $350. No thanks,
    I'd rather pay the $35 activation fee, and possible slight increase
    in phone price upfront, get a 1 year, and go month to month.

    If you make plan changes, or buy a new phone, contract length
    gets extended by the same increment you began with (this is
    true in my market, may not be in yours). i.e. 2 yr folks, will
    get extended 2 years if they make changes.

    If you want to give me a 2 year contract, give me something
    good for it. i.e. AT&T historically added 50% more peak
    minutes to anyone willing to take a 2 year contract. This benefit
    outweighs the risk. The meager discount Verizon gives for
    a two year contract is not worth even the cost of one month's bill.

    -Dan
     
  4. Dan Albrich

    Dan Albrich Guest

    > really? how much? Where do you see the cost vs. risk points?
    > 2 year contract with new-any-2 on one end and purchase your
    > own phone and activate month to month from the very start.
    >
    > -Quick


    If you monitor the cellular newsgroups over time, you will see a
    recurring question "How do I get out of my contract?"

    Some of these folks have planned poorly, others have had
    unforseen life changes (job layoffs etc). Others have had
    quality of service issues. i.e. Works great at my house, something
    changes, and now it doesn't work there at all, and nobody can
    fix it-- this really happens as I know people who it's happened to.

    For me, with 2 lines, to quit service, it's what $350. No thanks,
    I'd rather pay the $35 activation fee, and possible slight increase
    in phone price upfront, get a 1 year, and go month to month.

    If you make plan changes, or buy a new phone, contract length
    gets extended by the same increment you began with (this is
    true in my market, may not be in yours). i.e. 2 yr folks, will
    get extended 2 years if they make changes.

    If you want to give me a 2 year contract, give me something
    good for it. i.e. AT&T historically added 50% more peak
    minutes to anyone willing to take a 2 year contract. This benefit
    outweighs the risk. The meager discount Verizon gives for
    a two year contract is not worth even the cost of one month's bill.

    -Dan
     
  5. Dan Albrich

    Dan Albrich Guest

    > really? how much? Where do you see the cost vs. risk points?
    > 2 year contract with new-any-2 on one end and purchase your
    > own phone and activate month to month from the very start.
    >
    > -Quick


    If you monitor the cellular newsgroups over time, you will see a
    recurring question "How do I get out of my contract?"

    Some of these folks have planned poorly, others have had
    unforseen life changes (job layoffs etc). Others have had
    quality of service issues. i.e. Works great at my house, something
    changes, and now it doesn't work there at all, and nobody can
    fix it-- this really happens as I know people who it's happened to.

    For me, with 2 lines, to quit service, it's what $350. No thanks,
    I'd rather pay the $35 activation fee, and possible slight increase
    in phone price upfront, get a 1 year, and go month to month.

    If you make plan changes, or buy a new phone, contract length
    gets extended by the same increment you began with (this is
    true in my market, may not be in yours). i.e. 2 yr folks, will
    get extended 2 years if they make changes.

    If you want to give me a 2 year contract, give me something
    good for it. i.e. AT&T historically added 50% more peak
    minutes to anyone willing to take a 2 year contract. This benefit
    outweighs the risk. The meager discount Verizon gives for
    a two year contract is not worth even the cost of one month's bill.

    -Dan
     
  6. Dan Albrich

    Dan Albrich Guest

    > really? how much? Where do you see the cost vs. risk points?
    > 2 year contract with new-any-2 on one end and purchase your
    > own phone and activate month to month from the very start.
    >
    > -Quick


    If you monitor the cellular newsgroups over time, you will see a
    recurring question "How do I get out of my contract?"

    Some of these folks have planned poorly, others have had
    unforseen life changes (job layoffs etc). Others have had
    quality of service issues. i.e. Works great at my house, something
    changes, and now it doesn't work there at all, and nobody can
    fix it-- this really happens as I know people who it's happened to.

    For me, with 2 lines, to quit service, it's what $350. No thanks,
    I'd rather pay the $35 activation fee, and possible slight increase
    in phone price upfront, get a 1 year, and go month to month.

    If you make plan changes, or buy a new phone, contract length
    gets extended by the same increment you began with (this is
    true in my market, may not be in yours). i.e. 2 yr folks, will
    get extended 2 years if they make changes.

    If you want to give me a 2 year contract, give me something
    good for it. i.e. AT&T historically added 50% more peak
    minutes to anyone willing to take a 2 year contract. This benefit
    outweighs the risk. The meager discount Verizon gives for
    a two year contract is not worth even the cost of one month's bill.

    -Dan
     
  7. Dan Albrich

    Dan Albrich Guest

    > really? how much? Where do you see the cost vs. risk points?
    > 2 year contract with new-any-2 on one end and purchase your
    > own phone and activate month to month from the very start.
    >
    > -Quick


    If you monitor the cellular newsgroups over time, you will see a
    recurring question "How do I get out of my contract?"

    Some of these folks have planned poorly, others have had
    unforseen life changes (job layoffs etc). Others have had
    quality of service issues. i.e. Works great at my house, something
    changes, and now it doesn't work there at all, and nobody can
    fix it-- this really happens as I know people who it's happened to.

    For me, with 2 lines, to quit service, it's what $350. No thanks,
    I'd rather pay the $35 activation fee, and possible slight increase
    in phone price upfront, get a 1 year, and go month to month.

    If you make plan changes, or buy a new phone, contract length
    gets extended by the same increment you began with (this is
    true in my market, may not be in yours). i.e. 2 yr folks, will
    get extended 2 years if they make changes.

    If you want to give me a 2 year contract, give me something
    good for it. i.e. AT&T historically added 50% more peak
    minutes to anyone willing to take a 2 year contract. This benefit
    outweighs the risk. The meager discount Verizon gives for
    a two year contract is not worth even the cost of one month's bill.

    -Dan
     
  8. Dan Albrich

    Dan Albrich Guest

    > really? how much? Where do you see the cost vs. risk points?
    > 2 year contract with new-any-2 on one end and purchase your
    > own phone and activate month to month from the very start.
    >
    > -Quick


    If you monitor the cellular newsgroups over time, you will see a
    recurring question "How do I get out of my contract?"

    Some of these folks have planned poorly, others have had
    unforseen life changes (job layoffs etc). Others have had
    quality of service issues. i.e. Works great at my house, something
    changes, and now it doesn't work there at all, and nobody can
    fix it-- this really happens as I know people who it's happened to.

    For me, with 2 lines, to quit service, it's what $350. No thanks,
    I'd rather pay the $35 activation fee, and possible slight increase
    in phone price upfront, get a 1 year, and go month to month.

    If you make plan changes, or buy a new phone, contract length
    gets extended by the same increment you began with (this is
    true in my market, may not be in yours). i.e. 2 yr folks, will
    get extended 2 years if they make changes.

    If you want to give me a 2 year contract, give me something
    good for it. i.e. AT&T historically added 50% more peak
    minutes to anyone willing to take a 2 year contract. This benefit
    outweighs the risk. The meager discount Verizon gives for
    a two year contract is not worth even the cost of one month's bill.

    -Dan
     
  9. Dan Albrich

    Dan Albrich Guest

    > really? how much? Where do you see the cost vs. risk points?
    > 2 year contract with new-any-2 on one end and purchase your
    > own phone and activate month to month from the very start.
    >
    > -Quick


    If you monitor the cellular newsgroups over time, you will see a
    recurring question "How do I get out of my contract?"

    Some of these folks have planned poorly, others have had
    unforseen life changes (job layoffs etc). Others have had
    quality of service issues. i.e. Works great at my house, something
    changes, and now it doesn't work there at all, and nobody can
    fix it-- this really happens as I know people who it's happened to.

    For me, with 2 lines, to quit service, it's what $350. No thanks,
    I'd rather pay the $35 activation fee, and possible slight increase
    in phone price upfront, get a 1 year, and go month to month.

    If you make plan changes, or buy a new phone, contract length
    gets extended by the same increment you began with (this is
    true in my market, may not be in yours). i.e. 2 yr folks, will
    get extended 2 years if they make changes.

    If you want to give me a 2 year contract, give me something
    good for it. i.e. AT&T historically added 50% more peak
    minutes to anyone willing to take a 2 year contract. This benefit
    outweighs the risk. The meager discount Verizon gives for
    a two year contract is not worth even the cost of one month's bill.

    -Dan
     
  10. Dan Albrich

    Dan Albrich Guest

    > really? how much? Where do you see the cost vs. risk points?
    > 2 year contract with new-any-2 on one end and purchase your
    > own phone and activate month to month from the very start.
    >
    > -Quick


    If you monitor the cellular newsgroups over time, you will see a
    recurring question "How do I get out of my contract?"

    Some of these folks have planned poorly, others have had
    unforseen life changes (job layoffs etc). Others have had
    quality of service issues. i.e. Works great at my house, something
    changes, and now it doesn't work there at all, and nobody can
    fix it-- this really happens as I know people who it's happened to.

    For me, with 2 lines, to quit service, it's what $350. No thanks,
    I'd rather pay the $35 activation fee, and possible slight increase
    in phone price upfront, get a 1 year, and go month to month.

    If you make plan changes, or buy a new phone, contract length
    gets extended by the same increment you began with (this is
    true in my market, may not be in yours). i.e. 2 yr folks, will
    get extended 2 years if they make changes.

    If you want to give me a 2 year contract, give me something
    good for it. i.e. AT&T historically added 50% more peak
    minutes to anyone willing to take a 2 year contract. This benefit
    outweighs the risk. The meager discount Verizon gives for
    a two year contract is not worth even the cost of one month's bill.

    -Dan
     
  11. Dan Albrich

    Dan Albrich Guest

    > really? how much? Where do you see the cost vs. risk points?
    > 2 year contract with new-any-2 on one end and purchase your
    > own phone and activate month to month from the very start.
    >
    > -Quick


    If you monitor the cellular newsgroups over time, you will see a
    recurring question "How do I get out of my contract?"

    Some of these folks have planned poorly, others have had
    unforseen life changes (job layoffs etc). Others have had
    quality of service issues. i.e. Works great at my house, something
    changes, and now it doesn't work there at all, and nobody can
    fix it-- this really happens as I know people who it's happened to.

    For me, with 2 lines, to quit service, it's what $350. No thanks,
    I'd rather pay the $35 activation fee, and possible slight increase
    in phone price upfront, get a 1 year, and go month to month.

    If you make plan changes, or buy a new phone, contract length
    gets extended by the same increment you began with (this is
    true in my market, may not be in yours). i.e. 2 yr folks, will
    get extended 2 years if they make changes.

    If you want to give me a 2 year contract, give me something
    good for it. i.e. AT&T historically added 50% more peak
    minutes to anyone willing to take a 2 year contract. This benefit
    outweighs the risk. The meager discount Verizon gives for
    a two year contract is not worth even the cost of one month's bill.

    -Dan
     
  12. Dan Albrich

    Dan Albrich Guest

    > really? how much? Where do you see the cost vs. risk points?
    > 2 year contract with new-any-2 on one end and purchase your
    > own phone and activate month to month from the very start.
    >
    > -Quick


    If you monitor the cellular newsgroups over time, you will see a
    recurring question "How do I get out of my contract?"

    Some of these folks have planned poorly, others have had
    unforseen life changes (job layoffs etc). Others have had
    quality of service issues. i.e. Works great at my house, something
    changes, and now it doesn't work there at all, and nobody can
    fix it-- this really happens as I know people who it's happened to.

    For me, with 2 lines, to quit service, it's what $350. No thanks,
    I'd rather pay the $35 activation fee, and possible slight increase
    in phone price upfront, get a 1 year, and go month to month.

    If you make plan changes, or buy a new phone, contract length
    gets extended by the same increment you began with (this is
    true in my market, may not be in yours). i.e. 2 yr folks, will
    get extended 2 years if they make changes.

    If you want to give me a 2 year contract, give me something
    good for it. i.e. AT&T historically added 50% more peak
    minutes to anyone willing to take a 2 year contract. This benefit
    outweighs the risk. The meager discount Verizon gives for
    a two year contract is not worth even the cost of one month's bill.

    -Dan
     
  13. Dan Albrich

    Dan Albrich Guest

    > really? how much? Where do you see the cost vs. risk points?
    > 2 year contract with new-any-2 on one end and purchase your
    > own phone and activate month to month from the very start.
    >
    > -Quick


    If you monitor the cellular newsgroups over time, you will see a
    recurring question "How do I get out of my contract?"

    Some of these folks have planned poorly, others have had
    unforseen life changes (job layoffs etc). Others have had
    quality of service issues. i.e. Works great at my house, something
    changes, and now it doesn't work there at all, and nobody can
    fix it-- this really happens as I know people who it's happened to.

    For me, with 2 lines, to quit service, it's what $350. No thanks,
    I'd rather pay the $35 activation fee, and possible slight increase
    in phone price upfront, get a 1 year, and go month to month.

    If you make plan changes, or buy a new phone, contract length
    gets extended by the same increment you began with (this is
    true in my market, may not be in yours). i.e. 2 yr folks, will
    get extended 2 years if they make changes.

    If you want to give me a 2 year contract, give me something
    good for it. i.e. AT&T historically added 50% more peak
    minutes to anyone willing to take a 2 year contract. This benefit
    outweighs the risk. The meager discount Verizon gives for
    a two year contract is not worth even the cost of one month's bill.

    -Dan
     
  14. Dan Albrich

    Dan Albrich Guest

    > really? how much? Where do you see the cost vs. risk points?
    > 2 year contract with new-any-2 on one end and purchase your
    > own phone and activate month to month from the very start.
    >
    > -Quick


    If you monitor the cellular newsgroups over time, you will see a
    recurring question "How do I get out of my contract?"

    Some of these folks have planned poorly, others have had
    unforseen life changes (job layoffs etc). Others have had
    quality of service issues. i.e. Works great at my house, something
    changes, and now it doesn't work there at all, and nobody can
    fix it-- this really happens as I know people who it's happened to.

    For me, with 2 lines, to quit service, it's what $350. No thanks,
    I'd rather pay the $35 activation fee, and possible slight increase
    in phone price upfront, get a 1 year, and go month to month.

    If you make plan changes, or buy a new phone, contract length
    gets extended by the same increment you began with (this is
    true in my market, may not be in yours). i.e. 2 yr folks, will
    get extended 2 years if they make changes.

    If you want to give me a 2 year contract, give me something
    good for it. i.e. AT&T historically added 50% more peak
    minutes to anyone willing to take a 2 year contract. This benefit
    outweighs the risk. The meager discount Verizon gives for
    a two year contract is not worth even the cost of one month's bill.

    -Dan
     
  15. Quick

    Quick Guest

    Dan Albrich wrote:
    >> really? how much? Where do you see the cost vs. risk points?
    >> 2 year contract with new-any-2 on one end and purchase your
    >> own phone and activate month to month from the very start.
    >>
    >> -Quick

    >
    > If you monitor the cellular newsgroups over time, you will see a
    > recurring question "How do I get out of my contract?"
    >
    > Some of these folks have planned poorly, others have had
    > unforseen life changes (job layoffs etc). Others have had
    > quality of service issues. i.e. Works great at my house, something
    > changes, and now it doesn't work there at all, and nobody can
    > fix it-- this really happens as I know people who it's happened to.
    >
    > For me, with 2 lines, to quit service, it's what $350. No thanks,
    > I'd rather pay the $35 activation fee, and possible slight increase
    > in phone price upfront, get a 1 year, and go month to month.
    >
    > If you make plan changes, or buy a new phone, contract length
    > gets extended by the same increment you began with (this is
    > true in my market, may not be in yours). i.e. 2 yr folks, will
    > get extended 2 years if they make changes.
    >
    > If you want to give me a 2 year contract, give me something
    > good for it. i.e. AT&T historically added 50% more peak
    > minutes to anyone willing to take a 2 year contract. This benefit
    > outweighs the risk. The meager discount Verizon gives for
    > a two year contract is not worth even the cost of one month's bill.


    mmmm, I think it depends on how you figure your cost.

    1) I believe you can *start* month to month?
    Full price on phone (*no* subsidy but you could purchase it
    elsewhere), $35 activation fee, no $175 ETF.

    2) 1 year contract.
    $35 activation fee.
    Something like $200 off list price of phone??
    $175 ETF.

    3) 2 year contract.
    $0 activation fee.
    Something like $30 more phone subsidy than 1yr contract.
    Same $175 ETF.
    +$100 NE2 at end of 2yr and commit to another 2yr.

    Assuming that 1 is actually an option, it appears that you are
    willing to take a 1 year risk for the phone subsidy.

    If 1 is not an option then you save around $60 up front for
    the additional risk of an extra year. At the back end you can
    pick up another $100 on top of the 2yr subsidized price of
    a new phone. You should be able to get a ~$300 (list) phone
    for free. So it all boils down to the risk of something changing
    during that second year that didn't happen in the first year.

    Worst case we're talking about the $175 ETF right?
    With a 2yr. *renewal* you can almost reduce that to
    nothing for the second 2yr. contract. So primarily you're
    talking about the risk of things becoming unacceptable in
    the first 2 years of, potentially, a many year proposition.

    I'm in the Bay Area. I got my first cell phone with GTE
    Wireless. They had the very best network with LocalOne
    a close second. Sprint and later PacBell sucked.
    VZW picked up GTE.
    AT&T picked up LocalOne.
    Cingular picked up PacBell.
    Sprint is still Sprint.

    VZW still has way the best network in my area. I've always
    stayed with 1yr contracts when changing plans to take advantage
    of new promotions. I didn't have any qualms taking a 2yr.
    contract when I got my 7135 to get the extra $100+ off the
    price. I don't plan to move. The coverage has been the best
    for almost 10 years everywhere I've gone. The discount price
    on the phone for a 1yr. contract covers most of the ETF and
    the $100+ more for the 2yr covers way more than the rest.

    So if I'm going to take a 1yr. there is really isn't any cost for
    the second year. right?

    -Quick
     
  16. Quick

    Quick Guest

    Dan Albrich wrote:
    >> really? how much? Where do you see the cost vs. risk points?
    >> 2 year contract with new-any-2 on one end and purchase your
    >> own phone and activate month to month from the very start.
    >>
    >> -Quick

    >
    > If you monitor the cellular newsgroups over time, you will see a
    > recurring question "How do I get out of my contract?"
    >
    > Some of these folks have planned poorly, others have had
    > unforseen life changes (job layoffs etc). Others have had
    > quality of service issues. i.e. Works great at my house, something
    > changes, and now it doesn't work there at all, and nobody can
    > fix it-- this really happens as I know people who it's happened to.
    >
    > For me, with 2 lines, to quit service, it's what $350. No thanks,
    > I'd rather pay the $35 activation fee, and possible slight increase
    > in phone price upfront, get a 1 year, and go month to month.
    >
    > If you make plan changes, or buy a new phone, contract length
    > gets extended by the same increment you began with (this is
    > true in my market, may not be in yours). i.e. 2 yr folks, will
    > get extended 2 years if they make changes.
    >
    > If you want to give me a 2 year contract, give me something
    > good for it. i.e. AT&T historically added 50% more peak
    > minutes to anyone willing to take a 2 year contract. This benefit
    > outweighs the risk. The meager discount Verizon gives for
    > a two year contract is not worth even the cost of one month's bill.


    mmmm, I think it depends on how you figure your cost.

    1) I believe you can *start* month to month?
    Full price on phone (*no* subsidy but you could purchase it
    elsewhere), $35 activation fee, no $175 ETF.

    2) 1 year contract.
    $35 activation fee.
    Something like $200 off list price of phone??
    $175 ETF.

    3) 2 year contract.
    $0 activation fee.
    Something like $30 more phone subsidy than 1yr contract.
    Same $175 ETF.
    +$100 NE2 at end of 2yr and commit to another 2yr.

    Assuming that 1 is actually an option, it appears that you are
    willing to take a 1 year risk for the phone subsidy.

    If 1 is not an option then you save around $60 up front for
    the additional risk of an extra year. At the back end you can
    pick up another $100 on top of the 2yr subsidized price of
    a new phone. You should be able to get a ~$300 (list) phone
    for free. So it all boils down to the risk of something changing
    during that second year that didn't happen in the first year.

    Worst case we're talking about the $175 ETF right?
    With a 2yr. *renewal* you can almost reduce that to
    nothing for the second 2yr. contract. So primarily you're
    talking about the risk of things becoming unacceptable in
    the first 2 years of, potentially, a many year proposition.

    I'm in the Bay Area. I got my first cell phone with GTE
    Wireless. They had the very best network with LocalOne
    a close second. Sprint and later PacBell sucked.
    VZW picked up GTE.
    AT&T picked up LocalOne.
    Cingular picked up PacBell.
    Sprint is still Sprint.

    VZW still has way the best network in my area. I've always
    stayed with 1yr contracts when changing plans to take advantage
    of new promotions. I didn't have any qualms taking a 2yr.
    contract when I got my 7135 to get the extra $100+ off the
    price. I don't plan to move. The coverage has been the best
    for almost 10 years everywhere I've gone. The discount price
    on the phone for a 1yr. contract covers most of the ETF and
    the $100+ more for the 2yr covers way more than the rest.

    So if I'm going to take a 1yr. there is really isn't any cost for
    the second year. right?

    -Quick
     
  17. Quick

    Quick Guest

    Dan Albrich wrote:
    >> really? how much? Where do you see the cost vs. risk points?
    >> 2 year contract with new-any-2 on one end and purchase your
    >> own phone and activate month to month from the very start.
    >>
    >> -Quick

    >
    > If you monitor the cellular newsgroups over time, you will see a
    > recurring question "How do I get out of my contract?"
    >
    > Some of these folks have planned poorly, others have had
    > unforseen life changes (job layoffs etc). Others have had
    > quality of service issues. i.e. Works great at my house, something
    > changes, and now it doesn't work there at all, and nobody can
    > fix it-- this really happens as I know people who it's happened to.
    >
    > For me, with 2 lines, to quit service, it's what $350. No thanks,
    > I'd rather pay the $35 activation fee, and possible slight increase
    > in phone price upfront, get a 1 year, and go month to month.
    >
    > If you make plan changes, or buy a new phone, contract length
    > gets extended by the same increment you began with (this is
    > true in my market, may not be in yours). i.e. 2 yr folks, will
    > get extended 2 years if they make changes.
    >
    > If you want to give me a 2 year contract, give me something
    > good for it. i.e. AT&T historically added 50% more peak
    > minutes to anyone willing to take a 2 year contract. This benefit
    > outweighs the risk. The meager discount Verizon gives for
    > a two year contract is not worth even the cost of one month's bill.


    mmmm, I think it depends on how you figure your cost.

    1) I believe you can *start* month to month?
    Full price on phone (*no* subsidy but you could purchase it
    elsewhere), $35 activation fee, no $175 ETF.

    2) 1 year contract.
    $35 activation fee.
    Something like $200 off list price of phone??
    $175 ETF.

    3) 2 year contract.
    $0 activation fee.
    Something like $30 more phone subsidy than 1yr contract.
    Same $175 ETF.
    +$100 NE2 at end of 2yr and commit to another 2yr.

    Assuming that 1 is actually an option, it appears that you are
    willing to take a 1 year risk for the phone subsidy.

    If 1 is not an option then you save around $60 up front for
    the additional risk of an extra year. At the back end you can
    pick up another $100 on top of the 2yr subsidized price of
    a new phone. You should be able to get a ~$300 (list) phone
    for free. So it all boils down to the risk of something changing
    during that second year that didn't happen in the first year.

    Worst case we're talking about the $175 ETF right?
    With a 2yr. *renewal* you can almost reduce that to
    nothing for the second 2yr. contract. So primarily you're
    talking about the risk of things becoming unacceptable in
    the first 2 years of, potentially, a many year proposition.

    I'm in the Bay Area. I got my first cell phone with GTE
    Wireless. They had the very best network with LocalOne
    a close second. Sprint and later PacBell sucked.
    VZW picked up GTE.
    AT&T picked up LocalOne.
    Cingular picked up PacBell.
    Sprint is still Sprint.

    VZW still has way the best network in my area. I've always
    stayed with 1yr contracts when changing plans to take advantage
    of new promotions. I didn't have any qualms taking a 2yr.
    contract when I got my 7135 to get the extra $100+ off the
    price. I don't plan to move. The coverage has been the best
    for almost 10 years everywhere I've gone. The discount price
    on the phone for a 1yr. contract covers most of the ETF and
    the $100+ more for the 2yr covers way more than the rest.

    So if I'm going to take a 1yr. there is really isn't any cost for
    the second year. right?

    -Quick
     
  18. Quick

    Quick Guest

    Dan Albrich wrote:
    >> really? how much? Where do you see the cost vs. risk points?
    >> 2 year contract with new-any-2 on one end and purchase your
    >> own phone and activate month to month from the very start.
    >>
    >> -Quick

    >
    > If you monitor the cellular newsgroups over time, you will see a
    > recurring question "How do I get out of my contract?"
    >
    > Some of these folks have planned poorly, others have had
    > unforseen life changes (job layoffs etc). Others have had
    > quality of service issues. i.e. Works great at my house, something
    > changes, and now it doesn't work there at all, and nobody can
    > fix it-- this really happens as I know people who it's happened to.
    >
    > For me, with 2 lines, to quit service, it's what $350. No thanks,
    > I'd rather pay the $35 activation fee, and possible slight increase
    > in phone price upfront, get a 1 year, and go month to month.
    >
    > If you make plan changes, or buy a new phone, contract length
    > gets extended by the same increment you began with (this is
    > true in my market, may not be in yours). i.e. 2 yr folks, will
    > get extended 2 years if they make changes.
    >
    > If you want to give me a 2 year contract, give me something
    > good for it. i.e. AT&T historically added 50% more peak
    > minutes to anyone willing to take a 2 year contract. This benefit
    > outweighs the risk. The meager discount Verizon gives for
    > a two year contract is not worth even the cost of one month's bill.


    mmmm, I think it depends on how you figure your cost.

    1) I believe you can *start* month to month?
    Full price on phone (*no* subsidy but you could purchase it
    elsewhere), $35 activation fee, no $175 ETF.

    2) 1 year contract.
    $35 activation fee.
    Something like $200 off list price of phone??
    $175 ETF.

    3) 2 year contract.
    $0 activation fee.
    Something like $30 more phone subsidy than 1yr contract.
    Same $175 ETF.
    +$100 NE2 at end of 2yr and commit to another 2yr.

    Assuming that 1 is actually an option, it appears that you are
    willing to take a 1 year risk for the phone subsidy.

    If 1 is not an option then you save around $60 up front for
    the additional risk of an extra year. At the back end you can
    pick up another $100 on top of the 2yr subsidized price of
    a new phone. You should be able to get a ~$300 (list) phone
    for free. So it all boils down to the risk of something changing
    during that second year that didn't happen in the first year.

    Worst case we're talking about the $175 ETF right?
    With a 2yr. *renewal* you can almost reduce that to
    nothing for the second 2yr. contract. So primarily you're
    talking about the risk of things becoming unacceptable in
    the first 2 years of, potentially, a many year proposition.

    I'm in the Bay Area. I got my first cell phone with GTE
    Wireless. They had the very best network with LocalOne
    a close second. Sprint and later PacBell sucked.
    VZW picked up GTE.
    AT&T picked up LocalOne.
    Cingular picked up PacBell.
    Sprint is still Sprint.

    VZW still has way the best network in my area. I've always
    stayed with 1yr contracts when changing plans to take advantage
    of new promotions. I didn't have any qualms taking a 2yr.
    contract when I got my 7135 to get the extra $100+ off the
    price. I don't plan to move. The coverage has been the best
    for almost 10 years everywhere I've gone. The discount price
    on the phone for a 1yr. contract covers most of the ETF and
    the $100+ more for the 2yr covers way more than the rest.

    So if I'm going to take a 1yr. there is really isn't any cost for
    the second year. right?

    -Quick
     
  19. Quick

    Quick Guest

    Dan Albrich wrote:
    >> really? how much? Where do you see the cost vs. risk points?
    >> 2 year contract with new-any-2 on one end and purchase your
    >> own phone and activate month to month from the very start.
    >>
    >> -Quick

    >
    > If you monitor the cellular newsgroups over time, you will see a
    > recurring question "How do I get out of my contract?"
    >
    > Some of these folks have planned poorly, others have had
    > unforseen life changes (job layoffs etc). Others have had
    > quality of service issues. i.e. Works great at my house, something
    > changes, and now it doesn't work there at all, and nobody can
    > fix it-- this really happens as I know people who it's happened to.
    >
    > For me, with 2 lines, to quit service, it's what $350. No thanks,
    > I'd rather pay the $35 activation fee, and possible slight increase
    > in phone price upfront, get a 1 year, and go month to month.
    >
    > If you make plan changes, or buy a new phone, contract length
    > gets extended by the same increment you began with (this is
    > true in my market, may not be in yours). i.e. 2 yr folks, will
    > get extended 2 years if they make changes.
    >
    > If you want to give me a 2 year contract, give me something
    > good for it. i.e. AT&T historically added 50% more peak
    > minutes to anyone willing to take a 2 year contract. This benefit
    > outweighs the risk. The meager discount Verizon gives for
    > a two year contract is not worth even the cost of one month's bill.


    mmmm, I think it depends on how you figure your cost.

    1) I believe you can *start* month to month?
    Full price on phone (*no* subsidy but you could purchase it
    elsewhere), $35 activation fee, no $175 ETF.

    2) 1 year contract.
    $35 activation fee.
    Something like $200 off list price of phone??
    $175 ETF.

    3) 2 year contract.
    $0 activation fee.
    Something like $30 more phone subsidy than 1yr contract.
    Same $175 ETF.
    +$100 NE2 at end of 2yr and commit to another 2yr.

    Assuming that 1 is actually an option, it appears that you are
    willing to take a 1 year risk for the phone subsidy.

    If 1 is not an option then you save around $60 up front for
    the additional risk of an extra year. At the back end you can
    pick up another $100 on top of the 2yr subsidized price of
    a new phone. You should be able to get a ~$300 (list) phone
    for free. So it all boils down to the risk of something changing
    during that second year that didn't happen in the first year.

    Worst case we're talking about the $175 ETF right?
    With a 2yr. *renewal* you can almost reduce that to
    nothing for the second 2yr. contract. So primarily you're
    talking about the risk of things becoming unacceptable in
    the first 2 years of, potentially, a many year proposition.

    I'm in the Bay Area. I got my first cell phone with GTE
    Wireless. They had the very best network with LocalOne
    a close second. Sprint and later PacBell sucked.
    VZW picked up GTE.
    AT&T picked up LocalOne.
    Cingular picked up PacBell.
    Sprint is still Sprint.

    VZW still has way the best network in my area. I've always
    stayed with 1yr contracts when changing plans to take advantage
    of new promotions. I didn't have any qualms taking a 2yr.
    contract when I got my 7135 to get the extra $100+ off the
    price. I don't plan to move. The coverage has been the best
    for almost 10 years everywhere I've gone. The discount price
    on the phone for a 1yr. contract covers most of the ETF and
    the $100+ more for the 2yr covers way more than the rest.

    So if I'm going to take a 1yr. there is really isn't any cost for
    the second year. right?

    -Quick
     
  20. Quick

    Quick Guest

    Dan Albrich wrote:
    >> really? how much? Where do you see the cost vs. risk points?
    >> 2 year contract with new-any-2 on one end and purchase your
    >> own phone and activate month to month from the very start.
    >>
    >> -Quick

    >
    > If you monitor the cellular newsgroups over time, you will see a
    > recurring question "How do I get out of my contract?"
    >
    > Some of these folks have planned poorly, others have had
    > unforseen life changes (job layoffs etc). Others have had
    > quality of service issues. i.e. Works great at my house, something
    > changes, and now it doesn't work there at all, and nobody can
    > fix it-- this really happens as I know people who it's happened to.
    >
    > For me, with 2 lines, to quit service, it's what $350. No thanks,
    > I'd rather pay the $35 activation fee, and possible slight increase
    > in phone price upfront, get a 1 year, and go month to month.
    >
    > If you make plan changes, or buy a new phone, contract length
    > gets extended by the same increment you began with (this is
    > true in my market, may not be in yours). i.e. 2 yr folks, will
    > get extended 2 years if they make changes.
    >
    > If you want to give me a 2 year contract, give me something
    > good for it. i.e. AT&T historically added 50% more peak
    > minutes to anyone willing to take a 2 year contract. This benefit
    > outweighs the risk. The meager discount Verizon gives for
    > a two year contract is not worth even the cost of one month's bill.


    mmmm, I think it depends on how you figure your cost.

    1) I believe you can *start* month to month?
    Full price on phone (*no* subsidy but you could purchase it
    elsewhere), $35 activation fee, no $175 ETF.

    2) 1 year contract.
    $35 activation fee.
    Something like $200 off list price of phone??
    $175 ETF.

    3) 2 year contract.
    $0 activation fee.
    Something like $30 more phone subsidy than 1yr contract.
    Same $175 ETF.
    +$100 NE2 at end of 2yr and commit to another 2yr.

    Assuming that 1 is actually an option, it appears that you are
    willing to take a 1 year risk for the phone subsidy.

    If 1 is not an option then you save around $60 up front for
    the additional risk of an extra year. At the back end you can
    pick up another $100 on top of the 2yr subsidized price of
    a new phone. You should be able to get a ~$300 (list) phone
    for free. So it all boils down to the risk of something changing
    during that second year that didn't happen in the first year.

    Worst case we're talking about the $175 ETF right?
    With a 2yr. *renewal* you can almost reduce that to
    nothing for the second 2yr. contract. So primarily you're
    talking about the risk of things becoming unacceptable in
    the first 2 years of, potentially, a many year proposition.

    I'm in the Bay Area. I got my first cell phone with GTE
    Wireless. They had the very best network with LocalOne
    a close second. Sprint and later PacBell sucked.
    VZW picked up GTE.
    AT&T picked up LocalOne.
    Cingular picked up PacBell.
    Sprint is still Sprint.

    VZW still has way the best network in my area. I've always
    stayed with 1yr contracts when changing plans to take advantage
    of new promotions. I didn't have any qualms taking a 2yr.
    contract when I got my 7135 to get the extra $100+ off the
    price. I don't plan to move. The coverage has been the best
    for almost 10 years everywhere I've gone. The discount price
    on the phone for a 1yr. contract covers most of the ETF and
    the $100+ more for the 2yr covers way more than the rest.

    So if I'm going to take a 1yr. there is really isn't any cost for
    the second year. right?

    -Quick
     

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