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Question from newbie - please help

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by SKim, Oct 28, 2003.

  1. SKim

    SKim Guest

    Hello. I'm a newbie here. I find this ng very helpful. I'm going to
    purchase a lg vx4400 (largely due to positive reviews here) but i'm
    confused about something. i've been reading about prl and software
    updates and software versions. can someone please tell me exactly
    what i should know before i go to purchase my phone? what's the
    latest software version and what about a prl should i know?

    thanks.

    Sharon
     



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  2. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    Confusing, isn't it?

    New phones are a computer. Like all computers, they are hastily
    programmed by humans before they are actually ready for primetime and
    fully debugged. Everyone is screaming at the programmers to "get it
    out the door, FAST!" So, like anything else made for computers, the
    firmware, the program that makes the phone do what the cellular
    company wants it to do, is as buggy as a Florida swamp.

    So, as soon as you buy it, take it back to the service desk and ask
    the nice man to upgrade the firmware to the one with only 374 bugs,
    instead of the 2738 bugs it came out of the box with. (No, they don't
    open the boxes and upgrade the firmware when a new one comes in.
    That's a hoot!...(c;)

    In order to control what companies your new phone will connect to, a
    scheme was developed so that the company could instruct the phone on
    who it wanted the phone to talk to, wrestling this important decision
    away from the customer, who may connect the phone to a system that
    makes the company less profit, or (gulp!) costs the company extra
    money when the customer connects it to Y cellular in the company's big
    DEAD ZONE everybody knows about in Oakbrook. So, the "Preferred
    Roaming List" (PRL in selluliars jingo) was invented. It tells the
    phone who the phone is allowed to connect to when the phone can't find
    "Mother", its home system. When "Mother" is gone, it finds a signal,
    gets that signal's ID number and looks up in the pre-programmed list
    you can do nothing about bypassing to see if it's allowed to talk to
    the system, before connecting. Hmm...not on my list....look for
    another system....hmm....no more systems around....display NO SERVICE
    to the poor sap holding the phone....making believe there are no
    signals, even though that's a total lie.

    It doesn't ask you if you want to pay extra roaming charges to use
    Y-Cellular's tower that's looming over the spot you're standing in
    that would kill you if the tower fell on you. That's not profitable
    for the beancounters.

    Get the picture? It's about CONTROL and MONEY, same as always.....

    They get away with it because "everybody does it" so you really have
    no choice. I call it choosing "the lesser of evils". The government
    bureaucrats are all paid to look the other way......

    It wasn't always that way. But, that's what we have now.....



    On 28 Oct 2003 07:03:23 -0800, shkim727@yahoo.com (SKim) wrote:

    >Hello. I'm a newbie here. I find this ng very helpful. I'm going to
    >purchase a lg vx4400 (largely due to positive reviews here) but i'm
    >confused about something. i've been reading about prl and software
    >updates and software versions. can someone please tell me exactly
    >what i should know before i go to purchase my phone? what's the
    >latest software version and what about a prl should i know?
    >
    >thanks.
    >
    >Sharon



    Larry W4CSC

    "Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"
     
  3. ileen

    ileen Guest

    The latest software version for the vx4400 is version 08, shown as TE4VZV08
    on the sticker on the box. If you don't see this number (it might say
    TE4VZV06) when you purchase the phone, ask the service technicians to update
    the phone for you. Updating phone software isn't something that you *have*
    to keep up with. Verizon doesn't send out notices saying that a new
    software version is available. Usually what happens is that a user finds
    they have some sort of problem and CS will recommend that your software be
    updated. Or, people find out (like through this newsgroup) that there is a
    new software version and want the latest one. I personally found that
    upgrading to version 08 from 06 solved the problem of my phone going into
    analog too quickly in low signal areas.

    PRL stands for "preferred roaming list." You can get the latest PRL by
    pressing *228 SEND while on the Verizon network and following hte
    instructions. This is something that Verizon recommends you do periodically
    so that you are able to roam with carriers with whom they have roaming
    agreements. If you follow this newsgroup you'll find that sometimes
    updating your PRL benefits you, in that you will have roaming capabilities
    you didn't have before; and sometimes it does *not* benefit you, you'll lose
    roaming capabilities.

    Hope that answers your questions. I really like my vx4400 but I'm not a
    "phone freak." Before this, I had a BAM-201 for three years so maybe
    anything would have been an improvement!

    Ileen


    "SKim" <shkim727@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:e1166235.0310280703.6feab8a7@posting.google.com...
    > Hello. I'm a newbie here. I find this ng very helpful. I'm going to
    > purchase a lg vx4400 (largely due to positive reviews here) but i'm
    > confused about something. i've been reading about prl and software
    > updates and software versions. can someone please tell me exactly
    > what i should know before i go to purchase my phone? what's the
    > latest software version and what about a prl should i know?
    >
    > thanks.
    >
    > Sharon
     
  4. David L

    David L Guest

    "ileen" <ileen@maine.abbreviationforroadrunner.com> wrote in message news:<5_wnb.91976$Hs.24914@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...

    > Verizon doesn't send out notices saying that a new
    > software version is available. Usually what happens is that a user finds
    > they have some sort of problem and CS will recommend that your software be
    > updated.
    >


    Great info but
    CS never seems to recommend a software update. They usually don't know
    what that is and if they did, updates would take up to much time at
    the store.

    (snip)

    > I really like my vx4400 but I'm not a
    > "phone freak."


    Uh Oh! Usually starts out with denial:)

    -
    David
     
  5. LITed

    LITed Guest

    On 28 Oct 2003 19:27:27 -0800, davidlind@my-deja.com (David L) wrote:

    >"ileen" <ileen@maine.abbreviationforroadrunner.com> wrote in message news:<5_wnb.91976$Hs.24914@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
    >
    >> Verizon doesn't send out notices saying that a new
    >> software version is available. Usually what happens is that a user finds
    >> they have some sort of problem and CS will recommend that your software be
    >> updated.
    >>

    >
    >Great info but
    >CS never seems to recommend a software update. They usually don't know
    >what that is and if they did, updates would take up to much time at
    >the store.
    >
    >(snip)
    >
    >> I really like my vx4400 but I'm not a
    >> "phone freak."

    >
    >Uh Oh! Usually starts out with denial:)
    >
    >-
    >David

    I have found that if your phone doesn't have a specific problem with
    the current software and your phone is working properly, it is better
    to leave it alone.

    I have had phones fried by Verizon and other carriers during software
    updates.
    LITed
     
  6. David L

    David L Guest

    LITed <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<j6ivpv4e3e0vsbvs496he5n93h6ak3ji0u@4ax.com>...
    > I have found that if your phone doesn't have a specific problem with
    > the current software and your phone is working properly, it is better
    > to leave it alone.
    >
    > I have had phones fried by Verizon and other carriers during software
    > updates.
    > LITed


    That's often because the employees don't know how to do an update properly.

    -
    David
     
  7. In article <e1705cb3.0310291029.12e7492@posting.google.com>,
    davidlind@my-deja.com (David L) wrote:

    > That's often because the employees don't know how to do an update properly.


    or pretend they dont, cause it cuts into their commissioned selling time.
     
  8. LITed

    LITed Guest

    On 29 Oct 2003 10:29:45 -0800, davidlind@my-deja.com (David L) wrote:

    >LITed <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<j6ivpv4e3e0vsbvs496he5n93h6ak3ji0u@4ax.com>...
    >> I have found that if your phone doesn't have a specific problem with
    >> the current software and your phone is working properly, it is better
    >> to leave it alone.
    >>
    >> I have had phones fried by Verizon and other carriers during software
    >> updates.
    >> LITed

    >
    >That's often because the employees don't know how to do an update properly.
    >
    >-
    >David

    My main point was that if you are not experiencing specific problems
    with your current software version then don't get the software
    upgrade. "If it ain't broke don't fix it."
    LITed
     
  9. In article <hs92qvk9i448h5gsi7m895qfnq0lav9fmp@4ax.com>,
    LITed <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

    > My main point was that if you are not experiencing specific problems
    > with your current software version then don't get the software
    > upgrade. "If it ain't broke don't fix it."


    Dunno, sometimes updates correct problems that had resulted in secret
    recalls. i.e. if you complained they'd swapped phones, but they'd never
    volunteer the information. One case that comes to mind is phones that
    flat dont work in Analog mode.
     

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