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Roaming call refused from UP Michigan

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Bert Hyman, Jun 17, 2004.

  1. On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:46 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:

    >I was under the assumption that so long as the phone had a useable
    >signal of some sort, the carrier would complete the call, even if (or
    >maybe especially if) the call would cost a few dollars.


    There is no requirement for carriers to complete calls (other than 911
    calls) from phones in situations where there's no roaming agreement.
    Most -- but not all -- carriers will hand roamers off to credit card
    services where technically feasible (i.e., when they aren't GSM, since
    there's apparently no easy way to do "unregistered roamer" services in
    GSM like there is in AMPS, CDMA, and IS-136 TDMA.

    In this case it looks like the phone picked up Dobson in an area where
    there's no ALLTEL coverage -- and VZW and Dobson seem to utterly hate
    each other, and Dobson is A-side and you're in a VZW B-side market, so
    "no roaming agreement" is almost certainly the case. If the phone was
    actually on ALLTEL and not Dobson, something is terribly broken.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     



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  2. On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:46 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:

    >I was under the assumption that so long as the phone had a useable
    >signal of some sort, the carrier would complete the call, even if (or
    >maybe especially if) the call would cost a few dollars.


    There is no requirement for carriers to complete calls (other than 911
    calls) from phones in situations where there's no roaming agreement.
    Most -- but not all -- carriers will hand roamers off to credit card
    services where technically feasible (i.e., when they aren't GSM, since
    there's apparently no easy way to do "unregistered roamer" services in
    GSM like there is in AMPS, CDMA, and IS-136 TDMA.

    In this case it looks like the phone picked up Dobson in an area where
    there's no ALLTEL coverage -- and VZW and Dobson seem to utterly hate
    each other, and Dobson is A-side and you're in a VZW B-side market, so
    "no roaming agreement" is almost certainly the case. If the phone was
    actually on ALLTEL and not Dobson, something is terribly broken.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  3. On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:46 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:

    >I was under the assumption that so long as the phone had a useable
    >signal of some sort, the carrier would complete the call, even if (or
    >maybe especially if) the call would cost a few dollars.


    There is no requirement for carriers to complete calls (other than 911
    calls) from phones in situations where there's no roaming agreement.
    Most -- but not all -- carriers will hand roamers off to credit card
    services where technically feasible (i.e., when they aren't GSM, since
    there's apparently no easy way to do "unregistered roamer" services in
    GSM like there is in AMPS, CDMA, and IS-136 TDMA.

    In this case it looks like the phone picked up Dobson in an area where
    there's no ALLTEL coverage -- and VZW and Dobson seem to utterly hate
    each other, and Dobson is A-side and you're in a VZW B-side market, so
    "no roaming agreement" is almost certainly the case. If the phone was
    actually on ALLTEL and not Dobson, something is terribly broken.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  4. On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:46 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:

    >I was under the assumption that so long as the phone had a useable
    >signal of some sort, the carrier would complete the call, even if (or
    >maybe especially if) the call would cost a few dollars.


    There is no requirement for carriers to complete calls (other than 911
    calls) from phones in situations where there's no roaming agreement.
    Most -- but not all -- carriers will hand roamers off to credit card
    services where technically feasible (i.e., when they aren't GSM, since
    there's apparently no easy way to do "unregistered roamer" services in
    GSM like there is in AMPS, CDMA, and IS-136 TDMA.

    In this case it looks like the phone picked up Dobson in an area where
    there's no ALLTEL coverage -- and VZW and Dobson seem to utterly hate
    each other, and Dobson is A-side and you're in a VZW B-side market, so
    "no roaming agreement" is almost certainly the case. If the phone was
    actually on ALLTEL and not Dobson, something is terribly broken.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  5. On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:46 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:

    >I was under the assumption that so long as the phone had a useable
    >signal of some sort, the carrier would complete the call, even if (or
    >maybe especially if) the call would cost a few dollars.


    There is no requirement for carriers to complete calls (other than 911
    calls) from phones in situations where there's no roaming agreement.
    Most -- but not all -- carriers will hand roamers off to credit card
    services where technically feasible (i.e., when they aren't GSM, since
    there's apparently no easy way to do "unregistered roamer" services in
    GSM like there is in AMPS, CDMA, and IS-136 TDMA.

    In this case it looks like the phone picked up Dobson in an area where
    there's no ALLTEL coverage -- and VZW and Dobson seem to utterly hate
    each other, and Dobson is A-side and you're in a VZW B-side market, so
    "no roaming agreement" is almost certainly the case. If the phone was
    actually on ALLTEL and not Dobson, something is terribly broken.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  6. On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:46 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:

    >I was under the assumption that so long as the phone had a useable
    >signal of some sort, the carrier would complete the call, even if (or
    >maybe especially if) the call would cost a few dollars.


    There is no requirement for carriers to complete calls (other than 911
    calls) from phones in situations where there's no roaming agreement.
    Most -- but not all -- carriers will hand roamers off to credit card
    services where technically feasible (i.e., when they aren't GSM, since
    there's apparently no easy way to do "unregistered roamer" services in
    GSM like there is in AMPS, CDMA, and IS-136 TDMA.

    In this case it looks like the phone picked up Dobson in an area where
    there's no ALLTEL coverage -- and VZW and Dobson seem to utterly hate
    each other, and Dobson is A-side and you're in a VZW B-side market, so
    "no roaming agreement" is almost certainly the case. If the phone was
    actually on ALLTEL and not Dobson, something is terribly broken.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  7. On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:46 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:

    >I was under the assumption that so long as the phone had a useable
    >signal of some sort, the carrier would complete the call, even if (or
    >maybe especially if) the call would cost a few dollars.


    There is no requirement for carriers to complete calls (other than 911
    calls) from phones in situations where there's no roaming agreement.
    Most -- but not all -- carriers will hand roamers off to credit card
    services where technically feasible (i.e., when they aren't GSM, since
    there's apparently no easy way to do "unregistered roamer" services in
    GSM like there is in AMPS, CDMA, and IS-136 TDMA.

    In this case it looks like the phone picked up Dobson in an area where
    there's no ALLTEL coverage -- and VZW and Dobson seem to utterly hate
    each other, and Dobson is A-side and you're in a VZW B-side market, so
    "no roaming agreement" is almost certainly the case. If the phone was
    actually on ALLTEL and not Dobson, something is terribly broken.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  8. On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:46 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:

    >I was under the assumption that so long as the phone had a useable
    >signal of some sort, the carrier would complete the call, even if (or
    >maybe especially if) the call would cost a few dollars.


    There is no requirement for carriers to complete calls (other than 911
    calls) from phones in situations where there's no roaming agreement.
    Most -- but not all -- carriers will hand roamers off to credit card
    services where technically feasible (i.e., when they aren't GSM, since
    there's apparently no easy way to do "unregistered roamer" services in
    GSM like there is in AMPS, CDMA, and IS-136 TDMA.

    In this case it looks like the phone picked up Dobson in an area where
    there's no ALLTEL coverage -- and VZW and Dobson seem to utterly hate
    each other, and Dobson is A-side and you're in a VZW B-side market, so
    "no roaming agreement" is almost certainly the case. If the phone was
    actually on ALLTEL and not Dobson, something is terribly broken.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  9. On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:46 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:

    >I was under the assumption that so long as the phone had a useable
    >signal of some sort, the carrier would complete the call, even if (or
    >maybe especially if) the call would cost a few dollars.


    There is no requirement for carriers to complete calls (other than 911
    calls) from phones in situations where there's no roaming agreement.
    Most -- but not all -- carriers will hand roamers off to credit card
    services where technically feasible (i.e., when they aren't GSM, since
    there's apparently no easy way to do "unregistered roamer" services in
    GSM like there is in AMPS, CDMA, and IS-136 TDMA.

    In this case it looks like the phone picked up Dobson in an area where
    there's no ALLTEL coverage -- and VZW and Dobson seem to utterly hate
    each other, and Dobson is A-side and you're in a VZW B-side market, so
    "no roaming agreement" is almost certainly the case. If the phone was
    actually on ALLTEL and not Dobson, something is terribly broken.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  10. On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:46 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:

    >I was under the assumption that so long as the phone had a useable
    >signal of some sort, the carrier would complete the call, even if (or
    >maybe especially if) the call would cost a few dollars.


    There is no requirement for carriers to complete calls (other than 911
    calls) from phones in situations where there's no roaming agreement.
    Most -- but not all -- carriers will hand roamers off to credit card
    services where technically feasible (i.e., when they aren't GSM, since
    there's apparently no easy way to do "unregistered roamer" services in
    GSM like there is in AMPS, CDMA, and IS-136 TDMA.

    In this case it looks like the phone picked up Dobson in an area where
    there's no ALLTEL coverage -- and VZW and Dobson seem to utterly hate
    each other, and Dobson is A-side and you're in a VZW B-side market, so
    "no roaming agreement" is almost certainly the case. If the phone was
    actually on ALLTEL and not Dobson, something is terribly broken.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  11. On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:46 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:

    >I was under the assumption that so long as the phone had a useable
    >signal of some sort, the carrier would complete the call, even if (or
    >maybe especially if) the call would cost a few dollars.


    There is no requirement for carriers to complete calls (other than 911
    calls) from phones in situations where there's no roaming agreement.
    Most -- but not all -- carriers will hand roamers off to credit card
    services where technically feasible (i.e., when they aren't GSM, since
    there's apparently no easy way to do "unregistered roamer" services in
    GSM like there is in AMPS, CDMA, and IS-136 TDMA.

    In this case it looks like the phone picked up Dobson in an area where
    there's no ALLTEL coverage -- and VZW and Dobson seem to utterly hate
    each other, and Dobson is A-side and you're in a VZW B-side market, so
    "no roaming agreement" is almost certainly the case. If the phone was
    actually on ALLTEL and not Dobson, something is terribly broken.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  12. On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:46 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:

    >I was under the assumption that so long as the phone had a useable
    >signal of some sort, the carrier would complete the call, even if (or
    >maybe especially if) the call would cost a few dollars.


    There is no requirement for carriers to complete calls (other than 911
    calls) from phones in situations where there's no roaming agreement.
    Most -- but not all -- carriers will hand roamers off to credit card
    services where technically feasible (i.e., when they aren't GSM, since
    there's apparently no easy way to do "unregistered roamer" services in
    GSM like there is in AMPS, CDMA, and IS-136 TDMA.

    In this case it looks like the phone picked up Dobson in an area where
    there's no ALLTEL coverage -- and VZW and Dobson seem to utterly hate
    each other, and Dobson is A-side and you're in a VZW B-side market, so
    "no roaming agreement" is almost certainly the case. If the phone was
    actually on ALLTEL and not Dobson, something is terribly broken.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  13. On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:46 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:

    >I was under the assumption that so long as the phone had a useable
    >signal of some sort, the carrier would complete the call, even if (or
    >maybe especially if) the call would cost a few dollars.


    There is no requirement for carriers to complete calls (other than 911
    calls) from phones in situations where there's no roaming agreement.
    Most -- but not all -- carriers will hand roamers off to credit card
    services where technically feasible (i.e., when they aren't GSM, since
    there's apparently no easy way to do "unregistered roamer" services in
    GSM like there is in AMPS, CDMA, and IS-136 TDMA.

    In this case it looks like the phone picked up Dobson in an area where
    there's no ALLTEL coverage -- and VZW and Dobson seem to utterly hate
    each other, and Dobson is A-side and you're in a VZW B-side market, so
    "no roaming agreement" is almost certainly the case. If the phone was
    actually on ALLTEL and not Dobson, something is terribly broken.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  14. On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:46 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:

    >I was under the assumption that so long as the phone had a useable
    >signal of some sort, the carrier would complete the call, even if (or
    >maybe especially if) the call would cost a few dollars.


    There is no requirement for carriers to complete calls (other than 911
    calls) from phones in situations where there's no roaming agreement.
    Most -- but not all -- carriers will hand roamers off to credit card
    services where technically feasible (i.e., when they aren't GSM, since
    there's apparently no easy way to do "unregistered roamer" services in
    GSM like there is in AMPS, CDMA, and IS-136 TDMA.

    In this case it looks like the phone picked up Dobson in an area where
    there's no ALLTEL coverage -- and VZW and Dobson seem to utterly hate
    each other, and Dobson is A-side and you're in a VZW B-side market, so
    "no roaming agreement" is almost certainly the case. If the phone was
    actually on ALLTEL and not Dobson, something is terribly broken.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  15. On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:46 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:

    >I was under the assumption that so long as the phone had a useable
    >signal of some sort, the carrier would complete the call, even if (or
    >maybe especially if) the call would cost a few dollars.


    There is no requirement for carriers to complete calls (other than 911
    calls) from phones in situations where there's no roaming agreement.
    Most -- but not all -- carriers will hand roamers off to credit card
    services where technically feasible (i.e., when they aren't GSM, since
    there's apparently no easy way to do "unregistered roamer" services in
    GSM like there is in AMPS, CDMA, and IS-136 TDMA.

    In this case it looks like the phone picked up Dobson in an area where
    there's no ALLTEL coverage -- and VZW and Dobson seem to utterly hate
    each other, and Dobson is A-side and you're in a VZW B-side market, so
    "no roaming agreement" is almost certainly the case. If the phone was
    actually on ALLTEL and not Dobson, something is terribly broken.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  16. On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:46 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:

    >I was under the assumption that so long as the phone had a useable
    >signal of some sort, the carrier would complete the call, even if (or
    >maybe especially if) the call would cost a few dollars.


    There is no requirement for carriers to complete calls (other than 911
    calls) from phones in situations where there's no roaming agreement.
    Most -- but not all -- carriers will hand roamers off to credit card
    services where technically feasible (i.e., when they aren't GSM, since
    there's apparently no easy way to do "unregistered roamer" services in
    GSM like there is in AMPS, CDMA, and IS-136 TDMA.

    In this case it looks like the phone picked up Dobson in an area where
    there's no ALLTEL coverage -- and VZW and Dobson seem to utterly hate
    each other, and Dobson is A-side and you're in a VZW B-side market, so
    "no roaming agreement" is almost certainly the case. If the phone was
    actually on ALLTEL and not Dobson, something is terribly broken.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  17. On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:46 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:

    >I was under the assumption that so long as the phone had a useable
    >signal of some sort, the carrier would complete the call, even if (or
    >maybe especially if) the call would cost a few dollars.


    There is no requirement for carriers to complete calls (other than 911
    calls) from phones in situations where there's no roaming agreement.
    Most -- but not all -- carriers will hand roamers off to credit card
    services where technically feasible (i.e., when they aren't GSM, since
    there's apparently no easy way to do "unregistered roamer" services in
    GSM like there is in AMPS, CDMA, and IS-136 TDMA.

    In this case it looks like the phone picked up Dobson in an area where
    there's no ALLTEL coverage -- and VZW and Dobson seem to utterly hate
    each other, and Dobson is A-side and you're in a VZW B-side market, so
    "no roaming agreement" is almost certainly the case. If the phone was
    actually on ALLTEL and not Dobson, something is terribly broken.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  18. On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:46 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:

    >I was under the assumption that so long as the phone had a useable
    >signal of some sort, the carrier would complete the call, even if (or
    >maybe especially if) the call would cost a few dollars.


    There is no requirement for carriers to complete calls (other than 911
    calls) from phones in situations where there's no roaming agreement.
    Most -- but not all -- carriers will hand roamers off to credit card
    services where technically feasible (i.e., when they aren't GSM, since
    there's apparently no easy way to do "unregistered roamer" services in
    GSM like there is in AMPS, CDMA, and IS-136 TDMA.

    In this case it looks like the phone picked up Dobson in an area where
    there's no ALLTEL coverage -- and VZW and Dobson seem to utterly hate
    each other, and Dobson is A-side and you're in a VZW B-side market, so
    "no roaming agreement" is almost certainly the case. If the phone was
    actually on ALLTEL and not Dobson, something is terribly broken.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  19. On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:46 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:

    >I was under the assumption that so long as the phone had a useable
    >signal of some sort, the carrier would complete the call, even if (or
    >maybe especially if) the call would cost a few dollars.


    There is no requirement for carriers to complete calls (other than 911
    calls) from phones in situations where there's no roaming agreement.
    Most -- but not all -- carriers will hand roamers off to credit card
    services where technically feasible (i.e., when they aren't GSM, since
    there's apparently no easy way to do "unregistered roamer" services in
    GSM like there is in AMPS, CDMA, and IS-136 TDMA.

    In this case it looks like the phone picked up Dobson in an area where
    there's no ALLTEL coverage -- and VZW and Dobson seem to utterly hate
    each other, and Dobson is A-side and you're in a VZW B-side market, so
    "no roaming agreement" is almost certainly the case. If the phone was
    actually on ALLTEL and not Dobson, something is terribly broken.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  20. On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:46 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:

    >I was under the assumption that so long as the phone had a useable
    >signal of some sort, the carrier would complete the call, even if (or
    >maybe especially if) the call would cost a few dollars.


    There is no requirement for carriers to complete calls (other than 911
    calls) from phones in situations where there's no roaming agreement.
    Most -- but not all -- carriers will hand roamers off to credit card
    services where technically feasible (i.e., when they aren't GSM, since
    there's apparently no easy way to do "unregistered roamer" services in
    GSM like there is in AMPS, CDMA, and IS-136 TDMA.

    In this case it looks like the phone picked up Dobson in an area where
    there's no ALLTEL coverage -- and VZW and Dobson seem to utterly hate
    each other, and Dobson is A-side and you're in a VZW B-side market, so
    "no roaming agreement" is almost certainly the case. If the phone was
    actually on ALLTEL and not Dobson, something is terribly broken.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     

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