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Roaming question

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Ralph Alvy, Dec 22, 2003.

  1. Ralph Alvy

    Ralph Alvy Guest

    If I have the America's Choice plan, isn't my Home Area the entire coverage
    area in the U.S., not just my local area here in the Los Angeles area? The
    reason I ask, is I'd like to be able to setup my LG 4400 to never roam.
    Does that simply mean I need to change the system setting to Home Only,
    instead of Automatic A or Automatic B? Or does that make it work only in
    the greater L.A. area?
     



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  2. Diamond Dave

    Diamond Dave Guest

    America's Choice is where Verizon has native coverage or that of their
    partners.

    It is *NOT* a nationwide plan. Its what I call pseudo-nationwide.
    Visit http://www.vzw.com to see the actual footprint for America's
    Choice.

    Almost all major cities are covered and a vast majority of the east
    coast is covered. Areas in the west aren't as well covered. (This
    primarily has to do with Verizon being formed from former Bell
    Atlantic/NYNEX mobile along with GTE wireless and others)

    Your phone has a system called a PRL or Preferred Roaming List. With
    this list, your phone first searches out Verizon systems, then partner
    systems in a priority order. To see a decrypted list, visit
    http://www.justalurker.com and click on the list for PRL 50113 (the
    current one for America's Choice)

    As for Automatic A or Automatic B, these ONLY come in to play when you
    roam on to a system where the system you roam on to is NOT in the PRL
    (which is rare these days). Pretty much you should leave it where you
    found it set when you bought the phone. Here in the east, most Verizon
    systems are on the B cellular band. (the 800 MHz cell bands are called
    the A or B bands). Sometimes Verizon is on the A side, and sometimes
    they are in the PCS band. If I recall correctly, the LA area is on the
    B 800 MHz side.

    As for Home Only, you should NOT set it to this setting! Home Only can
    mean one of two things. One thing it could mean is that it will only
    work inside your home zone (in your case, the greater LA area). In
    other cases, it could mean that it would only work on a Verizon system
    and not a partner or roaming system.

    (a "partner" system in my terms is known as "extended network" where
    you are not on a Verizon system, but another carrier. Your phone will
    have a flashing triangle and state "extended network" on the display.
    All the voice calls you make or receive will be billed as if you're on
    Verizon, but things such as data services or voice mail notification
    may or may not work correctly)

    Hope this somewhat helps. I know others may correct/compliment my
    explaination :)

    Dave


    On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:15:37 GMT, Ralph Alvy <ralvy@warpmail.net>
    wrote:

    >If I have the America's Choice plan, isn't my Home Area the entire coverage
    >area in the U.S., not just my local area here in the Los Angeles area? The
    >reason I ask, is I'd like to be able to setup my LG 4400 to never roam.
    >Does that simply mean I need to change the system setting to Home Only,
    >instead of Automatic A or Automatic B? Or does that make it work only in
    >the greater L.A. area?
     
  3. Diamond Dave <dmine45.NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > America's Choice is where Verizon has native coverage or that of their
    > partners.
    >
    > It is *NOT* a nationwide plan. Its what I call pseudo-nationwide.
    > Visit http://www.vzw.com to see the actual footprint for America's
    > Choice.


    It is a nationwide "preferred network" plan, like Cingular Preferred,
    AT&T National Network, Alltel National Freedom, etc.

    It's not a true nationwide no-roam-anywhere plan. NSR is the true nationwide
    plan.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Geek In Charge * 888.480.4NET (4638) * sjsobol@JustThe.net
     
  4. PT Wang

    PT Wang Guest

    "Ralph Alvy" <ralvy@warpmail.net> wrote in message
    news:JMEFb.192$PI4.26@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
    > If I have the America's Choice plan, isn't my Home Area the entire

    coverage
    > area in the U.S., not just my local area here in the Los Angeles area? The
    > reason I ask, is I'd like to be able to setup my LG 4400 to never roam.
    > Does that simply mean I need to change the system setting to Home Only,
    > instead of Automatic A or Automatic B? Or does that make it work only in
    > the greater L.A. area?


    Leave it as Auto B or Auto A (depending on what it was originally). If you
    use Home Only, your phone won't work outside your home area. America's
    Choice gives you no roaming charges when you roam on "preferred" roaming
    partners.
     
  5. Ralph Alvy

    Ralph Alvy Guest

    Diamond Dave wrote:

    > As for Automatic A or Automatic B, these ONLY come in to play when you
    > roam on to a system where the system you roam on to is NOT in the PRL
    > (which is rare these days). Pretty much you should leave it where you
    > found it set when you bought the phone. Here in the east, most Verizon
    > systems are on the B cellular band. (the 800 MHz cell bands are called
    > the A or B bands). Sometimes Verizon is on the A side, and sometimes
    > they are in the PCS band. If I recall correctly, the LA area is on the
    > B 800 MHz side.


    Wouldn't it be nice to have an option to not roam outside the PRL? The
    third-party provider I use (Pay-Less Cellular) supposedly charges $1.50 per
    minute for roaming. I'd rather have the phone refuse to roam when it costs
    extra.

    > As for Home Only, you should NOT set it to this setting! Home Only can
    > mean one of two things. One thing it could mean is that it will only
    > work inside your home zone (in your case, the greater LA area). In
    > other cases, it could mean that it would only work on a Verizon system
    > and not a partner or roaming system.


    Got it. Thanks.

    > (a "partner" system in my terms is known as "extended network" where
    > you are not on a Verizon system, but another carrier. Your phone will
    > have a flashing triangle and state "extended network" on the display.
    > All the voice calls you make or receive will be billed as if you're on
    > Verizon, but things such as data services or voice mail notification
    > may or may not work correctly)


    How will I know when I'm roaming in such a way that I will be billed for
    roaming charges? Will the flashing triange show up without "extended
    network" showing on the display?

    > Hope this somewhat helps.


    Very much so. Thanks.
     
  6. The phone displays ROAM, and on Nokia the triangle is solid. I'm an
    infrequent traveler yet did I-40 East to North Carolina and I-10 West back
    to California 2 months ago. America's Choice gave nearly continuous
    coverage except for rural Texas and New Mexico. I found the coverage good
    and a clear indicator of roaming.

    PS My ATTWS TDMA gave nearly the same coverage as Verizon, network plan to
    network plan. Oh, no ATTWS TDMA on the Southern Georgia Coast.

    "Ralph Alvy" <ralvy@warpmail.net> wrote in message
    news:QwNFb.2211$Q%5.1577@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
    > Diamond Dave wrote:
    > How will I know when I'm roaming in such a way that I will be billed for
    > roaming charges? Will the flashing triange show up without "extended
    > network" showing on the display?
     
  7. Diamond Dave

    Diamond Dave Guest

    On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:13:04 GMT, Ralph Alvy <ralvy@warpmail.net>
    wrote:

    >Wouldn't it be nice to have an option to not roam outside the PRL? The
    >third-party provider I use (Pay-Less Cellular) supposedly charges $1.50 per
    >minute for roaming. I'd rather have the phone refuse to roam when it costs
    >extra.


    Roaming (either inside or outside) is a straight 99 cents/minute.

    >How will I know when I'm roaming in such a way that I will be billed for
    >roaming charges? Will the flashing triange show up without "extended
    >network" showing on the display?


    Solid triangle and it will either say Roaming or nothing at all.

    Dave
     
  8. Ralph Alvy

    Ralph Alvy Guest

    Diamond Dave wrote:

    > On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:13:04 GMT, Ralph Alvy <ralvy@warpmail.net>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Wouldn't it be nice to have an option to not roam outside the PRL? The
    >>third-party provider I use (Pay-Less Cellular) supposedly charges $1.50
    >>per minute for roaming. I'd rather have the phone refuse to roam when it
    >>costs extra.

    >
    > Roaming (either inside or outside) is a straight 99 cents/minute.


    Then I don't understand what is meant by your statement that "Your phone
    will have a flashing triangle and state "extended network" on the display.
    All the voice calls you make or receive will be billed as if you're on
    Verizon."

    I thought that meant that such calls would be billed as airtime minutes
    without roaming charges.

    Also, Verizon posts a 69 cents/minutes roaming charge on the Web page I see
    for my zip code.
     
  9. On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:15:50 GMT, "PT Wang" <news1003@paultwang.com>
    wrote:

    >Leave it as Auto B or Auto A (depending on what it was originally). If you
    >use Home Only, your phone won't work outside your home area. America's


    That depends on the phone -- on some phones it will block roaming
    outside your "home" SID, on others it will allow "roaming" on any VZW
    system but will block roaming on non-VZW systems (including Extended
    Network.)

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  10. Ralph Alvy <ralvy@warpmail.net> wrote:

    > Then I don't understand what is meant by your statement that "Your phone
    > will have a flashing triangle and state "extended network" on the display.
    > All the voice calls you make or receive will be billed as if you're on
    > Verizon."
    >
    > I thought that meant that such calls would be billed as airtime minutes
    > without roaming charges.


    Yes. In other words, as if you're on Verizon, with no long distance or
    roaming charges. On America's Choice you never get charged roaming or long
    distance if you're on a network Verizon owns, say here in Southern California,
    or on a network tagged as Extended Network, such as Alltel's network in the
    Youngstown/Warren area of Ohio. Verizon does not have coverage there but on
    AC they allow you to roam on Alltel with no roaming or long distance charges.
    Minutes are deducted from your normal monthly allotment.

    > Also, Verizon posts a 69 cents/minutes roaming charge on the Web page I see
    > for my zip code.


    Right. I believe that 69 cents actually also includes LD.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Geek In Charge * 888.480.4NET (4638) * sjsobol@JustThe.net
     
  11. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    In article <h4tfuvoem95v88kv3vpk348us0aro8b9a3@4ax.com>,
    Stanley Cline <sc1-news@roamer1.org> wrote:
    >On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:15:50 GMT, "PT Wang" <news1003@paultwang.com>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>Leave it as Auto B or Auto A (depending on what it was originally). If you
    >>use Home Only, your phone won't work outside your home area. America's

    >
    >That depends on the phone -- on some phones it will block roaming
    >outside your "home" SID, on others it will allow "roaming" on any VZW
    >system but will block roaming on non-VZW systems (including Extended
    >Network.)


    One thing SPCS did right: you can set you phone to be "on network"
    only, so you WILL use SPCS+preferred partners (included in your rate plan)
    but will NOT use unpreferred (+$$) roaming providers. Of course,
    that would mean that VZW would lose roaming $$ from (1) people
    who don't pay attention to the roaming indicator, and (2) people
    who are on the edge of a preferred system, see the "on network"
    indicator, enter the number, press SND, put the phone up to their
    ear, have the phone give up on the preferred system, acquire the
    unpreferred provider, and complete the call at $$ rates (showing
    ROAMING on the display which is now at the user's ear).
     
  12. Diamond Dave

    Diamond Dave Guest

    OOPS - I meant 69 cents/minute. The 99 cents is for Canada (my
    mistake!)

    No triangle - Verizon Wireless = regular airtime charges
    Flashing triangle = Extended Network = regular airtime charges
    Solid triangle = Roaming = roaming charges

    Does this explain it better? :)

    Dave
     
  13. Diamond Dave

    Diamond Dave Guest

    Yeah, I was thinking of Canada roaming for some reason. I guess I've
    been stressed out at work lately. Yes, it is 69 cents/minute for
    roaming (which isn't too bad considering the old days when it could
    have been MUCH higher!)

    And it does include free LD as well.

    Dave

    On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:09:25 -0600, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
     
  14. Diamond Dave <dmine45.NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > OOPS - I meant 69 cents/minute. The 99 cents is for Canada (my
    > mistake!)
    >
    > No triangle - Verizon Wireless = regular airtime charges
    > Flashing triangle = Extended Network = regular airtime charges
    > Solid triangle = Roaming = roaming charges


    better, but the roam indicator isn't always a triangle, in fact often it's an
    R with a square in it. Replace "triangle" with "roaming indicator" and you are
    golden. :)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Geek In Charge * 888.480.4NET (4638) * sjsobol@JustThe.net
     
  15. Ralph Alvy

    Ralph Alvy Guest

    Diamond Dave wrote:

    > OOPS - I meant 69 cents/minute. The 99 cents is for Canada (my
    > mistake!)
    >
    > No triangle - Verizon Wireless = regular airtime charges
    > Flashing triangle = Extended Network = regular airtime charges
    > Solid triangle = Roaming = roaming charges
    >
    > Does this explain it better? :)
    >
    > Dave

    Yes. Got it. Thanks.
     
  16. cathy

    cathy Guest

    On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:51:46 GMT, Diamond Dave
    <dmine45.NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:

    >OOPS - I meant 69 cents/minute. The 99 cents is for Canada (my
    >mistake!)
    >
    >No triangle - Verizon Wireless = regular airtime charges
    >Flashing triangle = Extended Network = regular airtime charges
    >Solid triangle = Roaming = roaming charges
    >
    >Does this explain it better? :)
    >
    >Dave


    Um, I thought it was the other way around? Solid triangle = extended
    network, flashing triangle = roaming charges?
     
  17. In article <ta0huv85hrq47otfg27per2v7sbmobo4u4@4ax.com>, cathy
    <cwells21@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:

    > Um, I thought it was the other way around? Solid triangle = extended
    > network, flashing triangle = roaming charges?


    No, he had it right. Solid triangle means roaming (and charges);
    anything else is included minutes. I believe the mobile-to-mobile
    minutes are only applicable if you're on Verizon's network, though (no
    triangle), but they'll come out of your plan minutes if you're in a
    flashing-triangle area.

    --
    Garner R. Miller
    Manchester, CT =USA=
     
  18. cathy

    cathy Guest

    On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:34:59 -0500, Garner Miller
    <garner@netstreet.net> wrote:

    >In article <ta0huv85hrq47otfg27per2v7sbmobo4u4@4ax.com>, cathy
    ><cwells21@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >> Um, I thought it was the other way around? Solid triangle = extended
    >> network, flashing triangle = roaming charges?

    >
    >No, he had it right. Solid triangle means roaming (and charges);
    >anything else is included minutes. I believe the mobile-to-mobile
    >minutes are only applicable if you're on Verizon's network, though (no
    >triangle), but they'll come out of your plan minutes if you're in a
    >flashing-triangle area.


    So, I'm visiting my sister in Seattle (West Sound area, actually,
    north of Bainbridge Island) right now and with my NSR plan I'm getting
    a solid triangle on my phone at all times. Does this mean if I weren't
    on the NSR plan I'd be paying roaming charges for al the calls I've
    made????
     
  19. Diamond Dave

    Diamond Dave Guest

    Your mileage may vary on this one. I can only speak for my Motorola
    v120 series phone ;-)

    Dave


    On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:45:39 -0600, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

    >Diamond Dave <dmine45.NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >> OOPS - I meant 69 cents/minute. The 99 cents is for Canada (my
    >> mistake!)
    >>
    >> No triangle - Verizon Wireless = regular airtime charges
    >> Flashing triangle = Extended Network = regular airtime charges
    >> Solid triangle = Roaming = roaming charges

    >
    >better, but the roam indicator isn't always a triangle, in fact often it's an
    >R with a square in it. Replace "triangle" with "roaming indicator" and you are
    >golden. :)
     
  20. Diamond Dave

    Diamond Dave Guest

    Your mileage may vary. On my Motorola v120 series phone, what I said
    is how it works. How it works on other phones may be different.

    Dave



    On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:56:00 GMT, cathy <cwells21@NOSPAMhotmail.com>
    wrote:

    >On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:51:46 GMT, Diamond Dave
    ><dmine45.NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    >>OOPS - I meant 69 cents/minute. The 99 cents is for Canada (my
    >>mistake!)
    >>
    >>No triangle - Verizon Wireless = regular airtime charges
    >>Flashing triangle = Extended Network = regular airtime charges
    >>Solid triangle = Roaming = roaming charges
    >>
    >>Does this explain it better? :)
    >>
    >>Dave

    >
    >Um, I thought it was the other way around? Solid triangle = extended
    >network, flashing triangle = roaming charges?
    >
     

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