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Roaming question

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Ralph Alvy, Dec 22, 2003.

  1. Diamond Dave

    Diamond Dave Guest

    NSR is a different ball of wax. There is no roaming in NSR period
    (well, your phone WILL show roaming, but billing wise you are not)

    Anytime you're outside your home region (your home SID or system ID)
    NSR phones will show roaming.

    The original statement I made several postings ago was for America's
    Choice.

    Dave



    On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:24:42 GMT, cathy <cwells21@NOSPAMhotmail.com>
    wrote:

    >On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:34:59 -0500, Garner Miller
    ><garner@netstreet.net> wrote:
    >
    >>In article <ta0huv85hrq47otfg27per2v7sbmobo4u4@4ax.com>, cathy
    >><cwells21@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Um, I thought it was the other way around? Solid triangle = extended
    >>> network, flashing triangle = roaming charges?

    >>
    >>No, he had it right. Solid triangle means roaming (and charges);
    >>anything else is included minutes. I believe the mobile-to-mobile
    >>minutes are only applicable if you're on Verizon's network, though (no
    >>triangle), but they'll come out of your plan minutes if you're in a
    >>flashing-triangle area.

    >
    >So, I'm visiting my sister in Seattle (West Sound area, actually,
    >north of Bainbridge Island) right now and with my NSR plan I'm getting
    >a solid triangle on my phone at all times. Does this mean if I weren't
    >on the NSR plan I'd be paying roaming charges for al the calls I've
    >made????
    >



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  2. Diamond Dave <dmine45.NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > Your mileage may vary on this one. I can only speak for my Motorola
    > v120 series phone ;-)


    I wish the manufacturers would standardize on one type of indicator. On a
    Nokia it's open triangle=extended, closed triangle=pay-for-roaming. On my
    Kyocera it's a black box with an R, and it's flashing=extended, solid=pay-
    for-roaming...

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    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Geek In Charge * 888.480.4NET (4638) * sjsobol@JustThe.net
  3. ShackAttack

    ShackAttack Guest

    I copied this off a sheet I give out to customers to help explain the
    "Extended Network" concept. I believe this is almost the exact same as the
    VZW site.

    Roam Indicator
    America's Choice covers over 265 million people in the United States. When
    traveling across the country your phone will let you know your roaming
    status. Roam indicators vary by phone model.

    a.. When your phone's roam indicator is not displayed, or the banner
    display reads "Verizon Wireless Network", America's Choice home airtime and
    national mobile-to-mobile rates apply. When the digital indicator is on,
    digital features and services are available.
    b.. When the roam indicator is flashing or the banner display reads
    "Extended Network", America's Choice home airtime rates still apply.
    National mobile-to-mobile and other additional features and services will
    not be available.
    c.. When the roam indicator is solid or the banner display reads
    "Roaming", roam rates apply. National mobile-to-mobile and other features
    and services are not available.


    Verizon Wireless Network " X " icon will not appear

    Extended Network " X " icon will flash

    Roaming " X " icon will be solid

    *" X " represents R, RM, Rm, Roam, Triangle ( Hollow Triangle = Flash ), et





    "Diamond Dave" <dmine45.NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:0r5iuv4pqqdgoit9e25glars96g25lq93q@4ax.com...
    > Your mileage may vary. On my Motorola v120 series phone, what I said
    > is how it works. How it works on other phones may be different.
    >
    > Dave
    >
    >
    >
    > On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:56:00 GMT, cathy <cwells21@NOSPAMhotmail.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:51:46 GMT, Diamond Dave
    > ><dmine45.NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > >
    > >>OOPS - I meant 69 cents/minute. The 99 cents is for Canada (my
    > >>mistake!)
    > >>
    > >>No triangle - Verizon Wireless = regular airtime charges
    > >>Flashing triangle = Extended Network = regular airtime charges
    > >>Solid triangle = Roaming = roaming charges
    > >>
    > >>Does this explain it better? :)
    > >>
    > >>Dave

    > >
    > >Um, I thought it was the other way around? Solid triangle = extended
    > >network, flashing triangle = roaming charges?
    > >

    >
  4. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:45:39 -0600, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >Diamond Dave <dmine45.NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >> OOPS - I meant 69 cents/minute. The 99 cents is for Canada (my
    >> mistake!)
    >>
    >> No triangle - Verizon Wireless = regular airtime charges
    >> Flashing triangle = Extended Network = regular airtime charges
    >> Solid triangle = Roaming = roaming charges

    >
    >better, but the roam indicator isn't always a triangle, in fact often it's an
    >R with a square in it. Replace "triangle" with "roaming indicator" and you are
    >golden. :)


    Replace "= regular airtime charges" and "= roaming charges" with
    "almost always ..."

    If the indicator is wrong, Verizon holds you responsible for paying
    for roaming.
  5. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:24:42 GMT, cathy <cwells21@NOSPAMhotmail.com>
    posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >So, I'm visiting my sister in Seattle (West Sound area, actually,
    >north of Bainbridge Island) right now and with my NSR plan I'm getting
    >a solid triangle on my phone at all times. Does this mean if I weren't
    >on the NSR plan I'd be paying roaming charges for al the calls I've
    >made????


    Yes.
  6. Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> wrote:

    > If the indicator is wrong, Verizon holds you responsible for paying
    > for roaming.


    The circumstantial evidence I've seen here says that if your phone says
    Extended and you get charged, you can call and get credit for the roaming
    charges. More than one person has posted that. I would be interested in hearing
    if your experiences are the opposite.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Geek In Charge * 888.480.4NET (4638) * sjsobol@JustThe.net
  7. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    In article <6t5iuv0h6drp0fn0oqnscj33gdgp32u0rs@4ax.com>,
    Diamond Dave <dmine45.NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >NSR is a different ball of wax. There is no roaming in NSR period
    >(well, your phone WILL show roaming, but billing wise you are not)
    >
    >Anytime you're outside your home region (your home SID or system ID)
    >NSR phones will show roaming.


    It seems to depend on which particular NSR rate plan code you are on.
    Newer codes are recognized by the OTA system (*228), and you get a PRL
    which show no-roaming for VZW systems, and preferred-roaming for all
    other entries in the PRL (including systems which would show $$roam
    on AC). Older NSR codes are not recognized, so you get the default PRL,
    which shows roam everywhere outside your home SID.

    Doesn't effect your billing, just the roaming indicator.
  8. Quick

    Quick Guest

    "Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote
    >
    > > If the indicator is wrong, Verizon holds you responsible for paying
    > > for roaming.

    >
    > The circumstantial evidence I've seen here says that if your phone says
    > Extended and you get charged, you can call and get credit for the roaming
    > charges. More than one person has posted that. I would be interested in

    hearing
    > if your experiences are the opposite.


    In practice it would be worded "...VZW *could* hold you responsible...".
    This gives them the out for significant repeat occurences. I imagine it
    would
    go something like this:
    You call and "say" your roaming indicator was flashing but you got charged.
    They credit you the charges and there is a note on the account.
    You call again and say your roaming indicator was flashing but you got
    charged.
    They credit you the charges and look into it in more detail. They find its
    in the
    same area as last time they credited you. They note the account.
    You call a third time and they credit you the charges but tell you that if
    it
    happens again in the same area you will be charged even if the indicator is
    flashing.... That disclaimer allows them to do this.

    -Quick
  9. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:20:19 -0600, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> posted to alt.cellular.verizon:

    >Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> wrote:


    >> If the indicator is wrong, Verizon holds you responsible for paying
    >> for roaming.


    >The circumstantial evidence I've seen here says that if your phone says
    >Extended and you get charged, you can call and get credit for the roaming
    >charges.


    You can. My point was that the call would appear on the bill as
    roaming, so you have to check the bill carefully every month.
  10. Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> wrote:

    > You can. My point was that the call would appear on the bill as
    > roaming, so you have to check the bill carefully every month.


    You should do that every month anyhow. :)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Geek In Charge * 888.480.4NET (4638) * sjsobol@JustThe.net
  11. David S

    David S Guest

    On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:24:42 GMT, cathy <cwells21@NOSPAMhotmail.com> chose
    to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:34:59 -0500, Garner Miller
    ><garner@netstreet.net> wrote:
    >
    >>In article <ta0huv85hrq47otfg27per2v7sbmobo4u4@4ax.com>, cathy
    >><cwells21@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Um, I thought it was the other way around? Solid triangle = extended
    >>> network, flashing triangle = roaming charges?

    >>
    >>No, he had it right. Solid triangle means roaming (and charges);
    >>anything else is included minutes. I believe the mobile-to-mobile
    >>minutes are only applicable if you're on Verizon's network, though (no
    >>triangle), but they'll come out of your plan minutes if you're in a
    >>flashing-triangle area.

    >
    >So, I'm visiting my sister in Seattle (West Sound area, actually,
    >north of Bainbridge Island) right now and with my NSR plan I'm getting
    >a solid triangle on my phone at all times. Does this mean if I weren't
    >on the NSR plan I'd be paying roaming charges for al the calls I've
    >made????


    Yes.

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