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Service in Canada

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Bob Giddings, May 13, 2005.

  1. Bob Giddings

    Bob Giddings Guest

    Hello. I'm new here, and I have a question about service in Canada

    In 2003 I spent some time in BC, and at that time Verizon offered a 10
    bucks a month extension of their calling plans in Canada. This was a
    feature that could be turned on and off. Not a separate plan. It was
    very simple and convenient, and I was able to use it for data and
    voice all over southern BC. When I got back I turned it off.

    Next week I am starting out on a trip to Alaska, so today I went to a
    Verizon store to turn it back on again. No can do. Not offered any
    more. Instead they wanted me to convert to an unwieldy "North
    America's Choice" plan that charges 69 cents a minute north of the
    border and in would not be as good a plan at the end of my trip as the
    one I have now. I'm only going to be up there a couple of months.

    So what to do? I could always go back to visiting public libraries
    for Internet use. Is there a good plan for Canada use? Perhaps a
    short term signup with a Canadian company? Has anyone dealt with
    this?

    In the past I have found Verizon has different answers depending on
    who you ask. Was the sales droid right?

    Thanks in advance for any advice.

    Bob Giddings


    www.arcatapet.net/bobgiddings
     



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  2. Steve Sobol

    Steve Sobol Guest

    Bob Giddings wrote:

    > Next week I am starting out on a trip to Alaska, so today I went to a
    > Verizon store to turn it back on again. No can do. Not offered any
    > more. Instead they wanted me to convert to an unwieldy "North
    > America's Choice" plan that charges 69 cents a minute north of the
    > border and in would not be as good a plan at the end of my trip as the
    > one I have now. I'm only going to be up there a couple of months.


    No, NAC DOES NOT always charge roaming. The big cities in Mexico and Canada are
    INCLUDED. Thus the name "North America's Choice." Check out a VZW brochure...

    > So what to do? I could always go back to visiting public libraries
    > for Internet use.


    It's not guaranteed that Internet use through your cell phone will work off of
    Verizon's network anyhow.

    --
    JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638)
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / sjsobol@JustThe.net / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED

    "The wisdom of a fool won't set you free"
    --New Order, "Bizarre Love Triangle"
     
  3. Bob Giddings

    Bob Giddings Guest

    On Fri, 13 May 2005 14:47:11 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
    wrote:

    >Bob Giddings wrote:
    >
    >> Next week I am starting out on a trip to Alaska, so today I went to a
    >> Verizon store to turn it back on again. No can do. Not offered any
    >> more. Instead they wanted me to convert to an unwieldy "North
    >> America's Choice" plan that charges 69 cents a minute north of the
    >> border and in would not be as good a plan at the end of my trip as the
    >> one I have now. I'm only going to be up there a couple of months.

    >
    >No, NAC DOES NOT always charge roaming. The big cities in Mexico and Canada are
    >INCLUDED. Thus the name "North America's Choice." Check out a VZW brochure...
    >


    okay. roaming is 69 cents a minute, and applies in most all of BC.
    The great thing about the old ten buck deal was that there was NO
    ROAMING anywhere. Alas, the glory that was Greece...

    >> So what to do? I could always go back to visiting public libraries
    >> for Internet use.

    >
    >It's not guaranteed that Internet use through your cell phone will work off of
    >Verizon's network anyhow.


    ?? Depends on what you mean by 'guaranteed'. I've not had it fail
    when in reach of a digital tower for the last 3 years. Currently
    attached at 65 kps. Worked great all over the western US and Canada.



    www.arcatapet.net/bobgiddings
     
  4. Steve Sobol

    Steve Sobol Guest

    Bob Giddings wrote:

    > ?? Depends on what you mean by 'guaranteed'.


    Is there more than one meaning?

    > I've not had it fail
    > when in reach of a digital tower for the last 3 years. Currently
    > attached at 65 kps. Worked great all over the western US and Canada.


    Great, and when you're off Verizon's network, if you happen to not be able to
    get on the Net with your phone, there's nothing you can do because Verizon will
    never claim data will work off-net. Nor will most other carriers. There are
    some situations where it will work, if Verizon and the roaming carrier have
    worked out the technical details, but you're S.O.L. if it doesn't. "Guaranteed"
    would imply that Verizon is selling the service as working on their own network
    AND on other networks, which they don't.

    That's for NationalAccess. BroadbandAccess (EV-DO technology, the service that
    reaches DSL speeds) is almost guaranteed not to work off VZW's network, because
    as far as I know, no other North American carriers are as far along deploying
    EV-DO as VZW is; some haven't even started yet.

    --
    JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638)
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / sjsobol@JustThe.net / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED

    "The wisdom of a fool won't set you free"
    --New Order, "Bizarre Love Triangle"
     
  5. Bob Giddings

    Bob Giddings Guest

    On Fri, 13 May 2005 16:35:25 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
    wrote:

    >Bob Giddings wrote:
    >
    >> ?? Depends on what you mean by 'guaranteed'.

    >
    >Is there more than one meaning?


    Well, I never thought so until now.

    >
    >> I've not had it fail
    >> when in reach of a digital tower for the last 3 years. Currently
    >> attached at 65 kps. Worked great all over the western US and Canada.

    >
    >Great, and when you're off Verizon's network, if you happen to not be able to
    >get on the Net with your phone, there's nothing you can do because Verizon will
    >never claim data will work off-net. Nor will most other carriers. There are
    >some situations where it will work, if Verizon and the roaming carrier have
    >worked out the technical details, but you're S.O.L. if it doesn't. "Guaranteed"
    >would imply that Verizon is selling the service as working on their own network
    >AND on other networks, which they don't.


    LoL. It never occurred to me to expect Verizon access to work in an
    are not covered by a Verizon tower. Why should it?

    In those situations I have used a call-in ISP, and that worked. But
    very, very sloooowww.

    Anyhow this is off topic. Anybody out there have a suggestion for the
    best way to get phone service on the way to Alaska?


    www.arcatapet.net/bobgiddings
     
  6. Mij Adyaw

    Mij Adyaw Guest

    I understand that Sprint is deploying EVDO next month nationwide.

    "Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
    news:d63da8$c85$3@ratbert.glorb.com...
    > Bob Giddings wrote:
    >
    >> ?? Depends on what you mean by 'guaranteed'.

    >
    > Is there more than one meaning?
    >
    >> I've not had it fail
    >> when in reach of a digital tower for the last 3 years. Currently
    >> attached at 65 kps. Worked great all over the western US and Canada.

    >
    > Great, and when you're off Verizon's network, if you happen to not be able
    > to get on the Net with your phone, there's nothing you can do because
    > Verizon will never claim data will work off-net. Nor will most other
    > carriers. There are some situations where it will work, if Verizon and the
    > roaming carrier have worked out the technical details, but you're S.O.L.
    > if it doesn't. "Guaranteed" would imply that Verizon is selling the
    > service as working on their own network AND on other networks, which they
    > don't.
    >
    > That's for NationalAccess. BroadbandAccess (EV-DO technology, the service
    > that reaches DSL speeds) is almost guaranteed not to work off VZW's
    > network, because as far as I know, no other North American carriers are as
    > far along deploying EV-DO as VZW is; some haven't even started yet.
    >
    > --
    > JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638)
    > Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / sjsobol@JustThe.net / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
    >
    > "The wisdom of a fool won't set you free"
    > --New Order, "Bizarre Love Triangle"
     
  7. Steve Sobol

    Steve Sobol Guest

    Mij Adyaw wrote:
    > I understand that Sprint is deploying EVDO next month nationwide.


    Cool. But Verizon's still way ahead of them.

    --
    JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638)
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / sjsobol@JustThe.net / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED

    "The wisdom of a fool won't set you free"
    --New Order, "Bizarre Love Triangle"
     
  8. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    Steve Sobol wrote:
    > Mij Adyaw wrote:
    >> I understand that Sprint is deploying EVDO next month nationwide.

    >
    > Cool. But Verizon's still way ahead of them.


    You better check again.. This is a thread about "service in canada".. As far
    as I know, they have no plans whatsoever to deploy it nationwide in canada
    AT ALL.
     
  9. Grizzy

    Grizzy Guest

    Bob

    Only from experience I can tell you that we used the North American
    plan last year. The west coast may be different than the east coast
    but I don't think so. We spent 6 wks in Canada and incurred no extra
    charges. We were from Toronto to Newfoundland and EVERYTHING was
    extended network. I couldn't use any data because you will never be on
    a Verizon network in Canada. It would start to connect but realized we
    were not their customer and it would kick us off and not connect.
    We will be going to Alaska this year as you and I plan on switching
    over to the North American plan. For the $20 extra bucks it's worth
    not having any roaming charges in Canada for voice only. The plan was
    very similar to our A/C plan minutes at home. When you switch back you
    have to sign up for another 2 yr plan because of being over the 30 day
    trial period.
    Have a good trip!
     

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