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Straight Talk iPhone is On Verizon's Network, but No LTE and No Roaming

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by sms, Jan 14, 2013.

  1. sms

    sms Guest

    Using the Straight Talk zip code test, (59801 or 57016) it appears that
    the Straight Talk iPhones are all on Verizon's network.

    However before anyone gets too excited about unlimited talk, text, and
    data on an iPhone for only $45/month (less if you buy a year at a time),
    there are caveats:

    1) No LTE. Just like on Page Plus, you only have 3G access even on a 4G
    LTE iPhone.

    2) Verizon native coverage only. Unlike Page Plus, Straight Talk does
    not allow off-Verizon roaming at all, not even at extra cost. So you
    will have no coverage in areas where Verizon does not have a CDMA
    network. This isn't nearly as bad as say Virgin Mobile, which is limited
    to the much smaller Sprint native network, but there are still quite a
    few areas of the country where Verizon is not the CDMA carrier and you
    normally would roam onto a smaller local carrier.
     



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  2. On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:02:27 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    wrote:

    >Using the Straight Talk zip code test, (59801 or 57016) it appears that
    >the Straight Talk iPhones are all on Verizon's network.
    >
    >However before anyone gets too excited about unlimited talk, text, and
    >data on an iPhone for only $45/month (less if you buy a year at a time),
    >there are caveats:
    >
    >1) No LTE. Just like on Page Plus, you only have 3G access even on a 4G
    >LTE iPhone.
    >
    >2) Verizon native coverage only. Unlike Page Plus, Straight Talk does
    >not allow off-Verizon roaming at all, not even at extra cost. So you
    >will have no coverage in areas where Verizon does not have a CDMA
    >network. This isn't nearly as bad as say Virgin Mobile, which is limited
    >to the much smaller Sprint native network, but there are still quite a
    >few areas of the country where Verizon is not the CDMA carrier and you
    >normally would roam onto a smaller local carrier.



    So if you want an iPhone with Straight Talk then use a AT&T phone, or
    get the unlocked one and use T-Mobile.
     
  3. tlvp

    tlvp Guest

    On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:02:27 -0800, sms wrote:

    > Using the Straight Talk zip code test, (59801 or 57016) it appears that
    > the Straight Talk iPhones are all on Verizon's network.


    And what's it take to port such a handset over to PagePlus :) ?

    Cheers, -- tlvp
    --
    Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
     
  4. sms

    sms Guest

    Re: Straight Talk iPhone is On Verizon's Network, but No LTE andNo Roaming

    On 1/14/2013 6:26 PM, nobody@nada.com wrote:
    > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:02:27 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> Using the Straight Talk zip code test, (59801 or 57016) it appears that
    >> the Straight Talk iPhones are all on Verizon's network.
    >>
    >> However before anyone gets too excited about unlimited talk, text, and
    >> data on an iPhone for only $45/month (less if you buy a year at a time),
    >> there are caveats:
    >>
    >> 1) No LTE. Just like on Page Plus, you only have 3G access even on a 4G
    >> LTE iPhone.
    >>
    >> 2) Verizon native coverage only. Unlike Page Plus, Straight Talk does
    >> not allow off-Verizon roaming at all, not even at extra cost. So you
    >> will have no coverage in areas where Verizon does not have a CDMA
    >> network. This isn't nearly as bad as say Virgin Mobile, which is limited
    >> to the much smaller Sprint native network, but there are still quite a
    >> few areas of the country where Verizon is not the CDMA carrier and you
    >> normally would roam onto a smaller local carrier.

    >
    >
    > So if you want an iPhone with Straight Talk then use a AT&T phone, or
    > get the unlocked one and use T-Mobile.


    T-Mobile has far worse coverage issues than Verizon native coverage.
    Straight Talk with AT&T, or Verizon with Page Plus is the way to go.
     
  5. On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:50:40 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    wrote:

    >On 1/14/2013 6:26 PM, nobody@nada.com wrote:
    >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:02:27 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Using the Straight Talk zip code test, (59801 or 57016) it appears that
    >>> the Straight Talk iPhones are all on Verizon's network.
    >>>
    >>> However before anyone gets too excited about unlimited talk, text, and
    >>> data on an iPhone for only $45/month (less if you buy a year at a time),
    >>> there are caveats:
    >>>
    >>> 1) No LTE. Just like on Page Plus, you only have 3G access even on a 4G
    >>> LTE iPhone.
    >>>
    >>> 2) Verizon native coverage only. Unlike Page Plus, Straight Talk does
    >>> not allow off-Verizon roaming at all, not even at extra cost. So you
    >>> will have no coverage in areas where Verizon does not have a CDMA
    >>> network. This isn't nearly as bad as say Virgin Mobile, which is limited
    >>> to the much smaller Sprint native network, but there are still quite a
    >>> few areas of the country where Verizon is not the CDMA carrier and you
    >>> normally would roam onto a smaller local carrier.

    >>
    >>
    >> So if you want an iPhone with Straight Talk then use a AT&T phone, or
    >> get the unlocked one and use T-Mobile.

    >
    >T-Mobile has far worse coverage issues than Verizon native coverage.
    >Straight Talk with AT&T, or Verizon with Page Plus is the way to go.
    >
    >

    Depends on where you are/go. T-Mobile in many areas has higher data
    speeds. AT&T has better coverage but the Straight Talk T-Mobile roams
    to AT&T. If you could use a better 4G phone with Page Plus without
    screwing with it, it would bea better option, even if it only did 3G
    data speeds.
    >
     
  6. sms

    sms Guest

    Re: Straight Talk iPhone is On Verizon's Network, but No LTE andNo Roaming

    On 1/15/2013 2:47 AM, nobody@nada.com wrote:

    > Depends on where you are/go. T-Mobile in many areas has higher data
    > speeds. AT&T has better coverage but the Straight Talk T-Mobile roams
    > to AT&T. If you could use a better 4G phone with Page Plus without
    > screwing with it, it would bea better option, even if it only did 3G
    > data speeds.


    The problem with T-Mobile is that there are a lot of areas where it does
    not roam onto AT&T and I've experienced those areas (I did not just
    search for areas where T-Mobile doesn't have coverage but AT&T does).
    It's not just prepaid that often can't roam either.

    Now it's possible that I happened to be in the only areas in the U.S.
    where roaming onto AT&T isn't allowed, but I doubt it.

    I guess the question is this: "Does StraightTalk T-Mobile roam onto AT&T
    in areas where T-Mobile T-Mobile does not roam onto AT&T? I don't know.
    If I put in a Zip Code where I know AT&T has coverage but T-Mobile
    doesn't, I get "Straight Talk does not offer service in the zip code you
    entered," when I would think I should be offered an AT&T based
    StraightTalk phone since AT&T does offer coverage, and sell service in
    the area (and there is even a Wal-Mart not too far away).

    If I enter one of the problem Zip Codes into the T-Mobile site I get
    "T-Mobile does not currently provide service in the XXXXX area. However,
    we are continuously expanding service, so please check back again."

    I was hoping that T-Mobile's maps were wrong, and that they had actually
    added roaming in these AT&T areas as a result of the penalties for the
    failed acquisition by AT&T, but that was not the case; the maps were
    correct.

    Now if you never leave urban areas, that's another story. T-Mobile is
    acceptable in most urban areas. If you travel to, or through, more rural
    areas then it's beneficial to have the additional coverage.

    If I were AT&T I would be saying to myself, "I spent a fortune putting
    up cell towers in sparsely populated areas where most of the use will be
    from my customers visiting or passing through these areas so why should
    I enable my low-cost competitor to provide coverage here?"
     
  7. Molon Labe

    Molon Labe Guest

    Re: Straight Talk iPhone is On Verizon's Network, but No LTE andNo Roaming

    On 1/14/13 11:05 PM, tlvp wrote:
    > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:02:27 -0800, sms wrote:
    >
    >> Using the Straight Talk zip code test, (59801 or 57016) it appears that
    >> the Straight Talk iPhones are all on Verizon's network.

    >
    > And what's it take to port such a handset over to PagePlus :) ?
    >
    > Cheers, -- tlvp
    >


    You don't port handsets, you port telephone numbers. I think what you
    mean is activate a phone on PagePlus.


    --
    “...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be
    infringed.”
    --US Constitution, Amendment II
     
  8. On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 04:32:34 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    wrote:

    >On 1/15/2013 2:47 AM, nobody@nada.com wrote:
    >
    >> Depends on where you are/go. T-Mobile in many areas has higher data
    >> speeds. AT&T has better coverage but the Straight Talk T-Mobile roams
    >> to AT&T. If you could use a better 4G phone with Page Plus without
    >> screwing with it, it would bea better option, even if it only did 3G
    >> data speeds.

    >
    >The problem with T-Mobile is that there are a lot of areas where it does
    >not roam onto AT&T and I've experienced those areas (I did not just
    >search for areas where T-Mobile doesn't have coverage but AT&T does).
    >It's not just prepaid that often can't roam either.
    >
    >Now it's possible that I happened to be in the only areas in the U.S.
    >where roaming onto AT&T isn't allowed, but I doubt it.
    >
    >I guess the question is this: "Does StraightTalk T-Mobile roam onto AT&T
    >in areas where T-Mobile T-Mobile does not roam onto AT&T? I don't know.
    >If I put in a Zip Code where I know AT&T has coverage but T-Mobile
    >doesn't, I get "Straight Talk does not offer service in the zip code you
    >entered," when I would think I should be offered an AT&T based
    >StraightTalk phone since AT&T does offer coverage, and sell service in
    >the area (and there is even a Wal-Mart not too far away).
    >
    >If I enter one of the problem Zip Codes into the T-Mobile site I get
    >"T-Mobile does not currently provide service in the XXXXX area. However,
    >we are continuously expanding service, so please check back again."
    >
    >I was hoping that T-Mobile's maps were wrong, and that they had actually
    >added roaming in these AT&T areas as a result of the penalties for the
    >failed acquisition by AT&T, but that was not the case; the maps were
    >correct.
    >
    >Now if you never leave urban areas, that's another story. T-Mobile is
    >acceptable in most urban areas. If you travel to, or through, more rural
    >areas then it's beneficial to have the additional coverage.


    Most of our time is in urban areas. T-Mobile has not failed me yet,
    and not even Page Plus cannot beat the prepaid plan I have with them.
    My wife has Page Plus and so we are covered when we travel.

    >
    >If I were AT&T I would be saying to myself, "I spent a fortune putting
    >up cell towers in sparsely populated areas where most of the use will be
    >from my customers visiting or passing through these areas so why should
    >I enable my low-cost competitor to provide coverage here?"


    AT&T could just as well ask why they shoudn't pick up the money from
    T-Mobile customers which it costs us nothing to service since our
    towers there are not at capacity. Maybe you will show a user of a low
    cost competitor there is a reason to use AT&T instead, and you are
    really unlikely to convince them of anything by not allowing them to
    roam because they have no idea why they can't make a call.
     
  9. On Monday, January 14, 2013 9:05:35 PM UTC-7, tlvp wrote:
    > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:02:27 -0800, sms wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > Using the Straight Talk zip code test, (59801 or 57016) it appears that

    >
    > > the Straight Talk iPhones are all on Verizon's network.

    >
    >
    >
    > And what's it take to port such a handset over to PagePlus :) ?
    >
    >
    >
    > Cheers, -- tlvp
    >
    > --
    >
    > Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.




    On Monday, January 14, 2013 9:05:35 PM UTC-7, tlvp wrote:
    > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:02:27 -0800, sms wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > Using the Straight Talk zip code test, (59801 or 57016) it appears that

    >
    > > the Straight Talk iPhones are all on Verizon's network.

    >
    >
    >
    > And what's it take to port such a handset over to PagePlus :) ?
    >
    >
    >
    > Cheers, -- tlvp
    >
    > --
    >
    > Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.


    Molon Labe is right. You must mean "what's it take to activate a handset onPage Plus?". Page Plus uses a network of authorized dealers. You can activate an iPhone 4 or 4s from Verizon with a clean esn. iPhone 5 won't work. Iuse kwikcellular.com for my page plus activations and PINs.
     
  10. tlvp

    tlvp Guest

    On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 23:05:35 -0500, tlvp wrote, and now needs to clarify
    the intent of:

    >> Using the Straight Talk zip code test, (59801 or 57016) it appears that
    >> the Straight Talk iPhones are all on Verizon's network.

    >
    > And what's it take to port such a handset over to PagePlus :) ?


    I'm supposing these Straight Talk iPhones have various settings carefully
    designed for use with Straight Talk (browser gateway, MMS gateway, etc.).

    Won't these need adjusting if those handsets are to be used successfully
    with PagePlus? I was asking: "what's it take" to carry out those
    adjustments? Often the requisite settings are deeply hidden behind secret
    menus ... .

    Thanks for bearing with me on this, despite my misleading initial query.

    And cheers, -- tlvp
    --
    Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
     
  11. Justin

    Justin Guest

    Re: Straight Talk iPhone is On Verizon's Network, but No LTE and NoRoaming

    tlvp wrote on [Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:43:13 -0500]:
    > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 23:05:35 -0500, tlvp wrote, and now needs to clarify
    > the intent of:
    >
    >>> Using the Straight Talk zip code test, (59801 or 57016) it appears that
    >>> the Straight Talk iPhones are all on Verizon's network.

    >>
    >> And what's it take to port such a handset over to PagePlus :) ?

    >
    > I'm supposing these Straight Talk iPhones have various settings carefully
    > designed for use with Straight Talk (browser gateway, MMS gateway, etc.).


    It wouldn't need a gateway, would it? Since it's a real browser with real
    internet access
     
  12. Molon Labe

    Molon Labe Guest

    Re: Straight Talk iPhone is On Verizon's Network, but No LTE andNo Roaming

    On 1/16/13 10:43 PM, tlvp wrote:
    > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 23:05:35 -0500, tlvp wrote, and now needs to clarify
    > the intent of:
    >
    >>> Using the Straight Talk zip code test, (59801 or 57016) it appears that
    >>> the Straight Talk iPhones are all on Verizon's network.

    >>
    >> And what's it take to port such a handset over to PagePlus :) ?

    >
    > I'm supposing these Straight Talk iPhones have various settings carefully
    > designed for use with Straight Talk (browser gateway, MMS gateway, etc.).
    >
    > Won't these need adjusting if those handsets are to be used successfully
    > with PagePlus? I was asking: "what's it take" to carry out those
    > adjustments? Often the requisite settings are deeply hidden behind secret
    > menus ... .
    >
    > Thanks for bearing with me on this, despite my misleading initial query.
    >
    > And cheers, -- tlvp
    >


    Well I don't know about the current crop of smart phones but a few years
    ago, I bought a Straight Talk CDMA Moto W385 at Wally's, used it for a
    few years on ST, then decided to move to PagePlus.

    I called PP customer service and they ported my number and activated
    that phone. All I had to do was call the OTA programming number *228 or
    some such-- and I was good to go. No reprogramming the phone, no fuss.

    --
    “...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be
    infringed.”
    --US Constitution, Amendment II
     
  13. On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:05:39 -0800 (PST), j.riddle0512@gmail.com
    wrote:

    >On Monday, January 14, 2013 9:05:35 PM UTC-7, tlvp wrote:
    >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:02:27 -0800, sms wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> > Using the Straight Talk zip code test, (59801 or 57016) it appears that

    >>
    >> > the Straight Talk iPhones are all on Verizon's network.

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> And what's it take to port such a handset over to PagePlus :) ?
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Cheers, -- tlvp
    >>
    >> --
    >>
    >> Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

    >
    >
    >
    >On Monday, January 14, 2013 9:05:35 PM UTC-7, tlvp wrote:
    >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:02:27 -0800, sms wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> > Using the Straight Talk zip code test, (59801 or 57016) it appears that

    >>
    >> > the Straight Talk iPhones are all on Verizon's network.

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> And what's it take to port such a handset over to PagePlus :) ?
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Cheers, -- tlvp
    >>
    >> --
    >>
    >> Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

    >
    >Molon Labe is right. You must mean "what's it take to activate a handset on Page Plus?". Page Plus uses a network of authorized dealers. You can activate an iPhone 4 or 4s from Verizon with a clean esn. iPhone 5 won't work. I use kwikcellular.com for my page plus activations and PINs.



    Or you can just call Page Plus and activate over the phone for free.
    Some dealers want an unreasonable amount. One local one wanted $25.
     

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