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Switching to Sprint? Opinions?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Michael L., Jun 7, 2004.

  1. Michael L.

    Michael L. Guest

    My Verizon contract is up, and I went to Radio Shack today to compare
    phones. I'm very happy with Verizon, except, and this is important, I
    can only get a Verizon signal in one room of my house, and even that is
    a bit spotty. My daughter tells me that one of her friends has Sprint,
    and she gets reception everywhere in my house. My daughter also can't
    get Verizon reception in her dorm room back in Massachusets, and she
    says her friends with Sprint phones can.

    The sales rep at Radio Shack told me that he uses Sprint and likes it.
    He said that he has found a more stable, stronger signal from Sprint
    than Verizon here in Marin County California. I don't know if he has
    any particular agenda, but Radio Shack sells both Verizon and Sprint
    service, so I would assume that it's all the same to him.

    I like Verizon very much-- had customer service issues with them in the
    past, but they've been better this past year, and they work well for me
    when I travel in Los Angeles, where I spend a lot of time, and in the
    East Coast, where I often do work as well. Reception in my home is a
    significant issue, however, and I'd like to have it.

    The sales rep at Radio Shack pointed out that Sprint, like Verizon, is a
    CDMA system and that many Sprint phones are tri-mode. I've read that
    1900 MHZ systems are not as good as 800 Mhz, but he pointed out that the
    tri-mode Sprint phones are 1900, 800, and analogue, and he said that
    with Sprint's Expanded Voice Coverage, a Sprint phone can roam nearly
    everywhere in the US.

    I have a few technical questions about that: does that mean that a
    tri-mode Sprint phone would pick up the SAME analogue signal as my
    Verizon phone in the outer reaches of Marin, where I sometimes rely on
    an analogue signal? Does that mean that when a 1900 MHZ Sprint signal
    is not reaching my phone when I travel, it will pick up the same 800 MHZ
    signal that my Verizon phone would? I understand that, all other things
    being equal, the Sprint phone will default to a 1900 MHZ Sprint signal;
    I'm just not clear what happens when roaming on Sprint and, more
    importantly, how it would compare with Verizon.

    Obviously, the easy answer to this would be to try Sprint for 14 days
    and see how I like it. Unfortunately, I'm on a family plan with 4
    phones, so it would be a huge pain to try it, not like it, and go back
    to Verizon.

    I must say I haven't heard much good about Sprint in the past, but these
    companies change all the time. Any opinions? I remember in particular
    that Sprint had weak coverage in the Los Angeles area. Has that
    changed?

    Does anyone have any comments comparing the 1900 MHZ CDMA Sprint quality
    with Verizon's 800 MHZ CDMA quality?

    Thanks in advance,
    Michael
     



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  2. Røbert M.

    Røbert M. Guest

    In article <FIGHTALLSPAM-481F70.18374707062004@news-60.giganews.com>,
    "Michael L." <FIGHTALLSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

    > My Verizon contract is up, and I went to Radio Shack today to compare
    > phones. I'm very happy with Verizon, except, and this is important, I
    > can only get a Verizon signal in one room of my house, and even that is
    > a bit spotty.


    Ask also in the Verizon group, maybe your current model phone is a dog
    as far as reception goes. Some LG and Samsung models of 2 years ago were
    poor.



    > My daughter tells me that one of her friends has Sprint,
    > and she gets reception everywhere in my house. My daughter also can't
    > get Verizon reception in her dorm room back in Massachusets, and she
    > says her friends with Sprint phones can.
    >
    > The sales rep at Radio Shack told me that he uses Sprint and likes it.
    > He said that he has found a more stable, stronger signal from Sprint
    > than Verizon here in Marin County California. I don't know if he has
    > any particular agenda, but Radio Shack sells both Verizon and Sprint
    > service, so I would assume that it's all the same to him.


    No, if he didnt tell you Sprint was better he wouldnt sell you.
    Certainly SprintPCS has millions of happy customers, and 1,400,000
    who left during the first quarter of this year.

    I'd say borrow your daughter's friends Sprint phone this weekend.


    >
    > I like Verizon very much-- had customer service issues with them in the
    > past, but they've been better this past year, and they work well for me
    > when I travel in Los Angeles, where I spend a lot of time, and in the
    > East Coast, where I often do work as well. Reception in my home is a
    > significant issue, however, and I'd like to have it.
    >
    > The sales rep at Radio Shack pointed out that Sprint, like Verizon, is a
    > CDMA system and that many Sprint phones are tri-mode. I've read that
    > 1900 MHZ systems are not as good as 800 Mhz, but he pointed out that the
    > tri-mode Sprint phones are 1900, 800, and analogue, and he said that
    > with Sprint's Expanded Voice Coverage, a Sprint phone can roam nearly
    > everywhere in the US.


    Sprint natively uses only 1900 MHz. You can only roam where SprintPCS
    allows you to roam, not just anywhere.


    >
    > I have a few technical questions about that: does that mean that a
    > tri-mode Sprint phone would pick up the SAME analogue signal as my
    > Verizon phone in the outer reaches of Marin, where I sometimes rely on
    > an analogue signal? Does that mean that when a 1900 MHZ Sprint signal
    > is not reaching my phone when I travel, it will pick up the same 800 MHZ
    > signal that my Verizon phone would?


    If SprintPCS has a roaming agreement with the same analog provider, then
    yes.



    > I understand that, all other things
    > being equal, the Sprint phone will default to a 1900 MHZ Sprint signal;
    > I'm just not clear what happens when roaming on Sprint and, more
    > importantly, how it would compare with Verizon.


    Everyplace is different depending on each companies roaming agreements.

    >
    > Obviously, the easy answer to this would be to try Sprint for 14 days
    > and see how I like it. Unfortunately, I'm on a family plan with 4
    > phones, so it would be a huge pain to try it, not like it, and go back
    > to Verizon.
    >
    > I must say I haven't heard much good about Sprint in the past, but these
    > companies change all the time. Any opinions? I remember in particular
    > that Sprint had weak coverage in the Los Angeles area. Has that
    > changed?
    >
    > Does anyone have any comments comparing the 1900 MHZ CDMA Sprint quality
    > with Verizon's 800 MHZ CDMA quality?


    All things being equal (and they never are), 800 MHz would be better;
    but you've already indicated you think SprintPCS has better coverage in
    your area.
    Your best bet is to borrow your daughter's friends' Sprint phone
    this weekend. Pay her $20 for the insult, it's a bargain to get good
    hands-on knowledge of how good SprintPCS would be for you.

    >
    > Thanks in advance,
    > Michael
     
  3. "Michael L." <FIGHTALLSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

    >The sales rep at Radio Shack told me that he uses Sprint and likes it.
    >He said that he has found a more stable, stronger signal from Sprint
    >than Verizon here in Marin County California. I don't know if he has
    >any particular agenda, but Radio Shack sells both Verizon and Sprint
    >service, so I would assume that it's all the same to him.


    I assume he gets a commission for selling new service, so he doesn't
    care whether you change from Sprint to Verizon Wireless or Verizon
    Wireless to Sprint - as long as you change.

    >Obviously, the easy answer to this would be to try Sprint for 14 days
    >and see how I like it. Unfortunately, I'm on a family plan with 4
    >phones, so it would be a huge pain to try it, not like it, and go back
    >to Verizon.


    Why is that? You don't have to port all your numbers, or even one
    number, to try a different carrier. When I was thinking of switching
    from ATTWS to Verizon, I tried out the phone for a week and then ported
    my number. It would have cost me a bit of money if I hadn't switched,
    but not a lot (one prorated plan week).

    >I must say I haven't heard much good about Sprint in the past, but these
    >companies change all the time.


    Yes, ATTWS was good when I started with them, but deteriorated greatly
    over the past few years, in both coverage and customer service. I had
    previously had Sprint service, but switched when I started to need
    better roaming capabilities. With their new plans, that wouldn't be as
    big a concern.

    Have you tried a different Verizon phone? Maybe the model you have is
    just a poor performer.


    ==
    Jack Hamilton
    jfh@acm.org

    ==
    In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted comfort and security.
    And in the end, they lost it all - freedom, comfort and security.
    Edward Gibbons
     
  4. Bob Smith

    Bob Smith Guest

    "Røbert M." <rmarkoff@faq.city> wrote in message
    news:rmarkoff-909FA3.20480607062004@news4.west.earthlink.net...
    > In article <FIGHTALLSPAM-481F70.18374707062004@news-60.giganews.com>,
    > "Michael L." <FIGHTALLSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > > My Verizon contract is up, and I went to Radio Shack today to compare
    > > phones. I'm very happy with Verizon, except, and this is important, I
    > > can only get a Verizon signal in one room of my house, and even that is
    > > a bit spotty.

    >
    > Ask also in the Verizon group, maybe your current model phone is a dog
    > as far as reception goes. Some LG and Samsung models of 2 years ago were
    > poor.


    Phillipe aka: Robert M. may be right ... however the bottom statement says
    the daughter's phone has coverage problems as well.

    > > My daughter tells me that one of her friends has Sprint,
    > > and she gets reception everywhere in my house. My daughter also can't
    > > get Verizon reception in her dorm room back in Massachusets, and she
    > > says her friends with Sprint phones can.
    > >
    > > The sales rep at Radio Shack told me that he uses Sprint and likes it.
    > > He said that he has found a more stable, stronger signal from Sprint
    > > than Verizon here in Marin County California. I don't know if he has
    > > any particular agenda, but Radio Shack sells both Verizon and Sprint
    > > service, so I would assume that it's all the same to him.

    >
    > No, if he didnt tell you Sprint was better he wouldnt sell you.
    > Certainly SprintPCS has millions of happy customers, and 1,400,000
    > who left during the first quarter of this year.


    I've noticed you've brought back that 1,400,000 number in the past two days.
    So Phillipe, just where is that simple copy and paste, along with a page
    number out of the 10Q. After 20 plus requests from quite a few people here,
    including yours truly, you still haven't backed up your statement.

    > I'd say borrow your daughter's friends Sprint phone this weekend.


    That would be a good idea, as long as she didn't need it and had the N & W
    option on here account.
    >
    >
    > >
    > > I like Verizon very much-- had customer service issues with them in the
    > > past, but they've been better this past year, and they work well for me
    > > when I travel in Los Angeles, where I spend a lot of time, and in the
    > > East Coast, where I often do work as well. Reception in my home is a
    > > significant issue, however, and I'd like to have it.
    > >
    > > The sales rep at Radio Shack pointed out that Sprint, like Verizon, is a
    > > CDMA system and that many Sprint phones are tri-mode. I've read that
    > > 1900 MHZ systems are not as good as 800 Mhz, but he pointed out that the
    > > tri-mode Sprint phones are 1900, 800, and analogue, and he said that
    > > with Sprint's Expanded Voice Coverage, a Sprint phone can roam nearly
    > > everywhere in the US.

    >
    > Sprint natively uses only 1900 MHz. You can only roam where SprintPCS
    > allows you to roam, not just anywhere.
    >
    >
    > >
    > > I have a few technical questions about that: does that mean that a
    > > tri-mode Sprint phone would pick up the SAME analogue signal as my
    > > Verizon phone in the outer reaches of Marin, where I sometimes rely on
    > > an analogue signal? Does that mean that when a 1900 MHZ Sprint signal
    > > is not reaching my phone when I travel, it will pick up the same 800 MHZ
    > > signal that my Verizon phone would?


    Actually, with SPCS's newly issued PRL, if you were out of SPCS's coverage,
    you could be roaming on 800 CDMA before 800 Analog. It all depends on who
    the agreement is with.
    >
    > If SprintPCS has a roaming agreement with the same analog provider, then
    > yes.
    >
    > > I understand that, all other things
    > > being equal, the Sprint phone will default to a 1900 MHZ Sprint signal;
    > > I'm just not clear what happens when roaming on Sprint and, more
    > > importantly, how it would compare with Verizon.

    >
    > Everyplace is different depending on each companies roaming agreements.
    >
    > >
    > > Obviously, the easy answer to this would be to try Sprint for 14 days
    > > and see how I like it. Unfortunately, I'm on a family plan with 4
    > > phones, so it would be a huge pain to try it, not like it, and go back
    > > to Verizon.


    Well, you can try one phone on their new F & F plan, within the 14 day trial
    period. If you find that it works for you, then you can decide whether you
    want to port all your numbers off to SPCS.
    > >
    > > I must say I haven't heard much good about Sprint in the past, but these
    > > companies change all the time. Any opinions? I remember in particular
    > > that Sprint had weak coverage in the Los Angeles area. Has that
    > > changed?
    > >

    Yes, it has. SPCS has added a lot of towers in the LA, SF & SD metro areas.
    We have a few folks who post here from the LA & SF areas, and all find
    satisfactory coverage.

    > > Does anyone have any comments comparing the 1900 MHZ CDMA Sprint quality
    > > with Verizon's 800 MHZ CDMA quality?

    >
    > All things being equal (and they never are), 800 MHz would be better;
    > but you've already indicated you think SprintPCS has better coverage in
    > your area.
    > Your best bet is to borrow your daughter's friends' Sprint phone
    > this weekend. Pay her $20 for the insult, it's a bargain to get good
    > hands-on knowledge of how good SprintPCS would be for you.
    >
    > >
    > > Thanks in advance,
    > > Michael


    Anytime ... :)

    Bob
     
  5. Robert M.

    Robert M. Guest

    In article <i99ac09v0no5otmdt1accgs006vjtn916o@4ax.com>,
    Jack Hamilton <jfh@acm.org> wrote:

    > Why is that? You don't have to port all your numbers, or even one
    > number, to try a different carrier. When I was thinking of switching
    > from ATTWS to Verizon, I tried out the phone for a week and then ported
    > my number. It would have cost me a bit of money if I hadn't switched,
    > but not a lot (one prorated plan week).


    Sprint will charge you

    Activation Fee
    Prorated charges for initial short billing period
    a Full month if you go 10 seconds past initial billing period.


    So even a short 1 week trial on Sprint commonly will cost ~ $100
     
  6. C  C

    C C Guest

    I switched to Verizon because I had a very poor reception with my Sprint
    phone inside my house.

    Before I switched to Verizon, I borrowed a Verizon phone from one of my
    friends at work. During one lunch break, I took the phone home. I was
    impressed because I can place/receive calls with a very good quality signal.
    That made me decide that I have had it with Sprint. I had discussed this
    problem with Sprint for almost 2 years but there was never a hint of
    improvement on my signal quality in my house!


    "Michael L." <FIGHTALLSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:FIGHTALLSPAM-481F70.18374707062004@news-60.giganews.com...
    > My Verizon contract is up, and I went to Radio Shack today to compare
    > phones. I'm very happy with Verizon, except, and this is important, I
    > can only get a Verizon signal in one room of my house, and even that is
    > a bit spotty. My daughter tells me that one of her friends has Sprint,
    > and she gets reception everywhere in my house. My daughter also can't
    > get Verizon reception in her dorm room back in Massachusets, and she
    > says her friends with Sprint phones can.
    >
    > The sales rep at Radio Shack told me that he uses Sprint and likes it.
    > He said that he has found a more stable, stronger signal from Sprint
    > than Verizon here in Marin County California. I don't know if he has
    > any particular agenda, but Radio Shack sells both Verizon and Sprint
    > service, so I would assume that it's all the same to him.
    >
    > I like Verizon very much-- had customer service issues with them in the
    > past, but they've been better this past year, and they work well for me
    > when I travel in Los Angeles, where I spend a lot of time, and in the
    > East Coast, where I often do work as well. Reception in my home is a
    > significant issue, however, and I'd like to have it.
    >
    > The sales rep at Radio Shack pointed out that Sprint, like Verizon, is a
    > CDMA system and that many Sprint phones are tri-mode. I've read that
    > 1900 MHZ systems are not as good as 800 Mhz, but he pointed out that the
    > tri-mode Sprint phones are 1900, 800, and analogue, and he said that
    > with Sprint's Expanded Voice Coverage, a Sprint phone can roam nearly
    > everywhere in the US.
    >
    > I have a few technical questions about that: does that mean that a
    > tri-mode Sprint phone would pick up the SAME analogue signal as my
    > Verizon phone in the outer reaches of Marin, where I sometimes rely on
    > an analogue signal? Does that mean that when a 1900 MHZ Sprint signal
    > is not reaching my phone when I travel, it will pick up the same 800 MHZ
    > signal that my Verizon phone would? I understand that, all other things
    > being equal, the Sprint phone will default to a 1900 MHZ Sprint signal;
    > I'm just not clear what happens when roaming on Sprint and, more
    > importantly, how it would compare with Verizon.
    >
    > Obviously, the easy answer to this would be to try Sprint for 14 days
    > and see how I like it. Unfortunately, I'm on a family plan with 4
    > phones, so it would be a huge pain to try it, not like it, and go back
    > to Verizon.
    >
    > I must say I haven't heard much good about Sprint in the past, but these
    > companies change all the time. Any opinions? I remember in particular
    > that Sprint had weak coverage in the Los Angeles area. Has that
    > changed?
    >
    > Does anyone have any comments comparing the 1900 MHZ CDMA Sprint quality
    > with Verizon's 800 MHZ CDMA quality?
    >
    > Thanks in advance,
    > Michael
     
  7. Bob Smith

    Bob Smith Guest

    "Robert M." <rmarkoff@faq.city> wrote in message
    news:rmarkoff-2BD7EB.22122607062004@news4.west.earthlink.net...
    > In article <i99ac09v0no5otmdt1accgs006vjtn916o@4ax.com>,
    > Jack Hamilton <jfh@acm.org> wrote:
    >
    > > Why is that? You don't have to port all your numbers, or even one
    > > number, to try a different carrier. When I was thinking of switching
    > > from ATTWS to Verizon, I tried out the phone for a week and then ported
    > > my number. It would have cost me a bit of money if I hadn't switched,
    > > but not a lot (one prorated plan week).

    >
    > Sprint will charge you
    >
    > Activation Fee
    > Prorated charges for initial short billing period
    > a Full month if you go 10 seconds past initial billing period.
    >
    >
    > So even a short 1 week trial on Sprint commonly will cost ~ $100


    Oh, I think it would be more like $50-$70. Can't see it coming close to
    $100.

    Bob
     
  8. Louise

    Louise Guest

    In article <q9axc.2288$BM.502@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>,
    someone@microsoft.com says...
    > I switched to Verizon because I had a very poor reception with my Sprint
    > phone inside my house.
    >
    > Before I switched to Verizon, I borrowed a Verizon phone from one of my
    > friends at work. During one lunch break, I took the phone home. I was
    > impressed because I can place/receive calls with a very good quality signal.
    > That made me decide that I have had it with Sprint. I had discussed this
    > problem with Sprint for almost 2 years but there was never a hint of
    > improvement on my signal quality in my house!
    >
    >
    > "Michael L." <FIGHTALLSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:FIGHTALLSPAM-481F70.18374707062004@news-60.giganews.com...
    > > My Verizon contract is up, and I went to Radio Shack today to compare
    > > phones. I'm very happy with Verizon, except, and this is important, I
    > > can only get a Verizon signal in one room of my house, and even that is
    > > a bit spotty. My daughter tells me that one of her friends has Sprint,
    > > and she gets reception everywhere in my house. My daughter also can't
    > > get Verizon reception in her dorm room back in Massachusets, and she
    > > says her friends with Sprint phones can.
    > >
    > > The sales rep at Radio Shack told me that he uses Sprint and likes it.
    > > He said that he has found a more stable, stronger signal from Sprint
    > > than Verizon here in Marin County California. I don't know if he has
    > > any particular agenda, but Radio Shack sells both Verizon and Sprint
    > > service, so I would assume that it's all the same to him.
    > >
    > > I like Verizon very much-- had customer service issues with them in the
    > > past, but they've been better this past year, and they work well for me
    > > when I travel in Los Angeles, where I spend a lot of time, and in the
    > > East Coast, where I often do work as well. Reception in my home is a
    > > significant issue, however, and I'd like to have it.
    > >
    > > The sales rep at Radio Shack pointed out that Sprint, like Verizon, is a
    > > CDMA system and that many Sprint phones are tri-mode. I've read that
    > > 1900 MHZ systems are not as good as 800 Mhz, but he pointed out that the
    > > tri-mode Sprint phones are 1900, 800, and analogue, and he said that
    > > with Sprint's Expanded Voice Coverage, a Sprint phone can roam nearly
    > > everywhere in the US.
    > >
    > > I have a few technical questions about that: does that mean that a
    > > tri-mode Sprint phone would pick up the SAME analogue signal as my
    > > Verizon phone in the outer reaches of Marin, where I sometimes rely on
    > > an analogue signal? Does that mean that when a 1900 MHZ Sprint signal
    > > is not reaching my phone when I travel, it will pick up the same 800 MHZ
    > > signal that my Verizon phone would? I understand that, all other things
    > > being equal, the Sprint phone will default to a 1900 MHZ Sprint signal;
    > > I'm just not clear what happens when roaming on Sprint and, more
    > > importantly, how it would compare with Verizon.
    > >

    Funny - I'm now having this problem with Verizon, when I never had it
    before.

    I think we should try to post with our location - btw, I'm in Manhattan

    Louise
     
  9. In alt.cellular.sprintpcs Michael L. <FIGHTALLSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > My Verizon contract is up, and I went to Radio Shack today to compare
    > phones. I'm very happy with Verizon, except, and this is important, I
    > can only get a Verizon signal in one room of my house, and even that is
    > a bit spotty. My daughter tells me that one of her friends has Sprint,
    > and she gets reception everywhere in my house. My daughter also can't
    > get Verizon reception in her dorm room back in Massachusets, and she
    > says her friends with Sprint phones can.


    Ok, how does Sprint work at YOUR house and in other places where you use
    it? That's what counts. Verizon and Sprint both work well in most of Southern
    California, for example, but Verizon has a few issues up here in the Victor
    Valley that are causing me to move to Sprint - but I already know Sprint
    works everywhere I need it to, since my wife has a Sprint phone. It is
    essential that you check coverage BEFORE you make a committment, since you
    know someone who has the service.

    > Obviously, the easy answer to this would be to try Sprint for 14 days
    > and see how I like it. Unfortunately, I'm on a family plan with 4
    > phones, so it would be a huge pain to try it, not like it, and go back
    > to Verizon.


    So don't get rid of the Verizon contract until you're sure a Sprint phone
    will work where you need it to. Obviously, only try one phone at first. :)

    > I must say I haven't heard much good about Sprint in the past, but these
    > companies change all the time. Any opinions? I remember in particular
    > that Sprint had weak coverage in the Los Angeles area. Has that
    > changed?


    They're solid in the areas where I go, but I hang out primarily in the Inland
    Empire, especially Rancho Cucamonga and San Bernardino, and I live in the
    High Desert (Apple Valley, and I spend tons of time in Victorville, Adelanto
    and Hesperia too). Coverage in the places I've been to (Anaheim and Orange
    County, and west and south of LA) has been good. However, there are probably
    other people here who can give you a better picture of LA proper.

    > Does anyone have any comments comparing the 1900 MHZ CDMA Sprint quality
    > with Verizon's 800 MHZ CDMA quality?


    1900 MHz is supposed to have a harder time penetrating buildings than
    800 MHz. However, I've not seen any major differences. (Remember that Verizon
    is 1900 in certain areas too.)

    I am both a Verizon *and* Sprint customer right now, with my phone being
    a VZ phone and my wife's a Sprint phone, but I'm porting my number to Sprint
    due to some issues at my house and in a couple spots in Victorville where I
    spend a lot of my time.

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  10. Jerry

    Jerry Guest

    "Michael L." <FIGHTALLSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
    news:FIGHTALLSPAM-481F70.18374707062004@news-60.giganews.com:

    > My Verizon contract is up, and I went to Radio Shack today to
    > compare phones. I'm very happy with Verizon, except, and this is
    > important, I can only get a Verizon signal in one room of my
    > house, and even that is a bit spotty. My daughter tells me that
    > one of her friends has Sprint, and she gets reception everywhere
    > in my house. My daughter also can't get Verizon reception in her
    > dorm room back in Massachusets, and she says her friends with
    > Sprint phones can.
    >
    > The sales rep at Radio Shack told me that he uses Sprint and likes
    > it. He said that he has found a more stable, stronger signal from
    > Sprint than Verizon here in Marin County California. I don't know
    > if he has any particular agenda, but Radio Shack sells both
    > Verizon and Sprint service, so I would assume that it's all the
    > same to him.
    >
    > I like Verizon very much-- had customer service issues with them
    > in the past, but they've been better this past year, and they work
    > well for me when I travel in Los Angeles, where I spend a lot of
    > time, and in the East Coast, where I often do work as well.
    > Reception in my home is a significant issue, however, and I'd like
    > to have it.
    >
    > The sales rep at Radio Shack pointed out that Sprint, like
    > Verizon, is a CDMA system and that many Sprint phones are
    > tri-mode. I've read that 1900 MHZ systems are not as good as 800
    > Mhz, but he pointed out that the tri-mode Sprint phones are 1900,
    > 800, and analogue, and he said that with Sprint's Expanded Voice
    > Coverage, a Sprint phone can roam nearly everywhere in the US.
    >
    > I have a few technical questions about that: does that mean that
    > a tri-mode Sprint phone would pick up the SAME analogue signal as
    > my Verizon phone in the outer reaches of Marin, where I sometimes
    > rely on an analogue signal? Does that mean that when a 1900 MHZ
    > Sprint signal is not reaching my phone when I travel, it will pick
    > up the same 800 MHZ signal that my Verizon phone would? I
    > understand that, all other things being equal, the Sprint phone
    > will default to a 1900 MHZ Sprint signal; I'm just not clear what
    > happens when roaming on Sprint and, more importantly, how it would
    > compare with Verizon.
    >
    > Obviously, the easy answer to this would be to try Sprint for 14
    > days and see how I like it. Unfortunately, I'm on a family plan
    > with 4 phones, so it would be a huge pain to try it, not like it,
    > and go back to Verizon.
    >
    > I must say I haven't heard much good about Sprint in the past, but
    > these companies change all the time. Any opinions? I remember
    > in particular that Sprint had weak coverage in the Los Angeles
    > area. Has that changed?
    >
    > Does anyone have any comments comparing the 1900 MHZ CDMA Sprint
    > quality with Verizon's 800 MHZ CDMA quality?
    >
    > Thanks in advance,
    > Michael


    If you have a phone that allows it, you may be able to force Sprint PCS
    on your Verizon phone. I'm in the San Francisco Bay area and on my
    LG4400B I can force roaming on Sprint (extended network) by going to
    menu 0 (then 000000) -> 3 -> PCS only. This will allow you to test
    Sprint in your home. Restore Verizon by selecting Automatic (or CDMA
    only if you want to block out analog).

    --
    regards,
    jerry
     
  11. Frank Harris

    Frank Harris Guest

    Michael -

    I live in SF and work in Oakland, have 4 phones on my plan, and am very
    satisfied with Sprint PCS service here, and in LA when we visit there.
    I've been a customer since 1997 and have had no customer service issues.

    Verizon is Sprint's primary roaming partner in the SF Bay Area, so yes,
    if your Sprint phone can't find a Sprint signal in West Marin, and if
    you set your Sprint phone to allow it to roam off of Sprint, then it
    will use the same Verizon signal (CDMA 800 or analog 800) that your
    Verizon phone uses. But it will cost 69 cents/min, unless you have a
    Free & Clear America Plan for $5 extra per month (then no extra cost).

    In other cities around the country, the preferred roaming partner may be
    Verizon, or it may be some other carrier that gave Sprint a better deal,
    so roaming coverage (off the Sprint network) may not be the same as for
    your Verizon phone. Sprint's map shows they have roaming agreements
    nearly everywhere, but they may not all be using the same providers that
    your Verizon phone was using. In Cleveland, Ohio, the two cellular
    providers are Verizon (A-side) and Alltel (B-side). I was just there,
    and when I was in a weak Sprint signal area between towers on the Ohio
    Tpk west of Youngstown, or if I set my phone to 'analog only', it used
    Alltel, not Verizon.

    --
    Frank Harris in San Francisco with an A620
     
  12. Robert M.

    Robert M. Guest

    In article <ca3jnp$5v0$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com>,
    Frank Harris <frankbhX@XcompuserveX.com> wrote:

    > Michael -
    >
    > I live in SF and work in Oakland, have 4 phones on my plan, and am very
    > satisfied with Sprint PCS service here, and in LA when we visit there.
    > I've been a customer since 1997 and have had no customer service issues.
    >
    > Verizon is Sprint's primary roaming partner in the SF Bay Area, so yes,
    > if your Sprint phone can't find a Sprint signal in West Marin, and if
    > you set your Sprint phone to allow it to roam off of Sprint, then it
    > will use the same Verizon signal (CDMA 800 or analog 800) that your
    > Verizon phone uses. But it will cost 69 cents/min, unless you have a
    > Free & Clear America Plan for $5 extra per month (then no extra cost).


    ONLY if total roaming minutes are less than half of the total minutes
    used that month.
     
  13. Mike

    Mike Guest

    On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:44:31 -0700, Frank Harris
    <frankbhX@XcompuserveX.com> wrote:

    >In other cities around the country, the preferred roaming partner may be
    >Verizon, or it may be some other carrier that gave Sprint a better deal,
    >so roaming coverage (off the Sprint network) may not be the same as for
    >your Verizon phone. Sprint's map shows they have roaming agreements
    >nearly everywhere, but they may not all be using the same providers that
    > your Verizon phone was using. In Cleveland, Ohio, the two cellular
    >providers are Verizon (A-side) and Alltel (B-side). I was just there,
    >and when I was in a weak Sprint signal area between towers on the Ohio
    >Tpk west of Youngstown, or if I set my phone to 'analog only', it used
    >Alltel, not Verizon.


    This may not have been what you think. In the Youngstown area,
    Verizon HAS no network... in fact, even VZW phones use Alltel in that
    area. If you look at a VZW coverage map, Mahoning and Trumbull
    counties are "Extended Network".

    I forget who the other A/B carrier in the market is...I think it's DBA
    Cellular One.

    Mike
     
  14. Unsaid

    Unsaid Guest

    Thankfully, this has apparently changed for the better:

    http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?s=61b4131fb8db0f433da85c4382e3e77d&threadid=382258

    "Robert M." <rmarkoff@faq.city> wrote in message
    news:rmarkoff-2BD7EB.22122607062004@news4.west.earthlink.net...
    > In article <i99ac09v0no5otmdt1accgs006vjtn916o@4ax.com>,
    > Jack Hamilton <jfh@acm.org> wrote:
    >
    > > Why is that? You don't have to port all your numbers, or even one
    > > number, to try a different carrier. When I was thinking of switching
    > > from ATTWS to Verizon, I tried out the phone for a week and then ported
    > > my number. It would have cost me a bit of money if I hadn't switched,
    > > but not a lot (one prorated plan week).

    >
    > Sprint will charge you
    >
    > Activation Fee
    > Prorated charges for initial short billing period
    > a Full month if you go 10 seconds past initial billing period.
    >
    >
    > So even a short 1 week trial on Sprint commonly will cost ~ $100
     
  15. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    In alt.cellular.verizon Michael L. <FIGHTALLSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
    : My Verizon contract is up, and I went to Radio Shack today to compare
    : phones. I'm very happy with Verizon, except, and this is important, I
    : can only get a Verizon signal in one room of my house, and even that is
    : a bit spotty. My daughter tells me that one of her friends has Sprint,
    : and she gets reception everywhere in my house. My daughter also can't
    : get Verizon reception in her dorm room back in Massachusets, and she
    : says her friends with Sprint phones can.

    A lot depends on the phone. Have you checked how well your Verizon
    phone is rated for reception? It could be that getting a better phone
    (probably free from Verizon) would solve your reception problems in
    your house - maybe your daughter's too.

    Sure, could very well be that Sprint has better signal at your house
    and that no Verizon phone will make a difference - but you should to
    try to make sure a better phone won't make the difference. If you
    pick a good Sprint phone to test in your house, try to pick a
    different Verizon phone, too, perhaps a friend's. I have a Nokia
    3589i for example - it's known to have excellent reception (and it
    will work well with low signal, too - with only one bar of reception,
    it still worked great at my old place).

    : The sales rep at Radio Shack told me that he uses Sprint and likes it.
    : He said that he has found a more stable, stronger signal from Sprint
    : than Verizon here in Marin County California. I don't know if he has
    : any particular agenda, but Radio Shack sells both Verizon and Sprint
    : service, so I would assume that it's all the same to him.

    No, he probably gets no commission if you stay with Verizon - but he
    gets one if you switch to Sprint.

    Andrew
    --
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  16. Kevin

    Kevin Guest

    On 8 Jun 2004 15:37:17 GMT, usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com (Andrew)
    wrote:


    >A lot depends on the phone. Have you checked how well your Verizon
    >phone is rated for reception? It could be that getting a better phone


    Can you point me to any reliable sources on phone reception ratings?
    I am in the market for a new phone and so far haven't run across any
    reception ratings.

    TIA,
    Kevin
    --=20
    E-mail: kevjay@attglobal.net
     
  17. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Kevin <kjfkjf@frontiernet.net> wrote:
    : On 8 Jun 2004 15:37:17 GMT, usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com (Andrew)
    : wrote:
    : >A lot depends on the phone. Have you checked how well your Verizon
    : >phone is rated for reception? It could be that getting a better phone

    : Can you point me to any reliable sources on phone reception ratings?
    : I am in the market for a new phone and so far haven't run across any
    : reception ratings.

    I don't know of any systematic tests comparing phones (could be - I
    just don't know about them). All I have to go on is anecdotal
    information I've seen here and on HowardForums. Basically people
    who have two phones (family plan) can say, "My wife's phone works
    great in our house but mine barely gets reception". Stuff like that.
    I heard good reception feedback about the 3589i before I bought it and
    it has been a good phone.

    Andrew
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    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
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  18. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    In article <cfyfyfy86382032009@bizaveMYSHOES.com>,
    Andrew <usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com> wrote:
    >Kevin <kjfkjf@frontiernet.net> wrote:
    >: On 8 Jun 2004 15:37:17 GMT, usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com (Andrew)
    >: wrote:
    >: >A lot depends on the phone. Have you checked how well your Verizon
    >: >phone is rated for reception? It could be that getting a better phone
    >
    >: Can you point me to any reliable sources on phone reception ratings?
    >: I am in the market for a new phone and so far haven't run across any
    >: reception ratings.
    >
    >I don't know of any systematic tests comparing phones (could be - I
    >just don't know about them). All I have to go on is anecdotal
    >information I've seen here and on HowardForums. Basically people
    >who have two phones (family plan) can say, "My wife's phone works
    >great in our house but mine barely gets reception". Stuff like that.
    >I heard good reception feedback about the 3589i before I bought it and
    >it has been a good phone.


    When comparing reception, ignore "bars" on the phones, and compare how
    the phones actually perform. Do incoming calls actually ring the phone
    and you can answer the call, or do they just go to VoiceMail? Do you
    ever get dropped during a call? Signal "bars" on a phone on a phone are
    determined solely by the particular version of the software running on
    that particular model of phone. On one phone in a given location with
    the same provider, it may show one bar, but work fine. Another might show
    three bars, and work miserably. And particulary for the CDMA technology
    which Verizon uses, it is not clear what the bars SHOULD show: with CDMA,
    everyone shares the same frequency at the same time, and you may have
    a very strong signal, but the "noise" of all other callers on the same
    frequency may make a call impossible, whereas if there are few users,
    a relatively weak signal will be fine.
     
  19. Michael L.

    Michael L. Guest

    In article <cfyfyfy86382032009@bizaveMYSHOES.com>,
    usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com (Andrew) wrote:

    > Kevin <kjfkjf@frontiernet.net> wrote:
    > : On 8 Jun 2004 15:37:17 GMT, usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com (Andrew)
    > : wrote:
    > : >A lot depends on the phone. Have you checked how well your Verizon
    > : >phone is rated for reception?


    We've had Verizon for quite some time, so I have the benefit of trying
    different phones here in Marin. Recently, I ran comparison tests of my
    old LG510, my current Samsung A310, and my daughter's old Nokia 3285.
    They all do pretty well in general, but the Nokia 3285 does seem to get
    better reception in my house than the others.

    BUT, it's still not good enough to rely on inside (works in one room but
    no others). I am the one who posted the original question in this
    thread, by the way, and I feel pretty certain that no Verizon phone will
    work for me here at home. However, for what it's worth, that big brick
    of a Nokia works pretty well as far as reception around town goes. As a
    fan of very simple, no frills phones, I'd say it's quite decent, and if
    I do end up sticking with Verizon, I'll probably get the 3589i.

    By the way, thanks to all the people who responded to my query. I'm
    leaning towards trying Sprint on a 14 day trial to see how it works for
    me, especially if it is a 14 day no risk deal.



    > : Can you point me to any reliable sources on phone reception ratings?
    > : I am in the market for a new phone and so far haven't run across any
    > : reception ratings.


    www.phonescoop.com does have user ratings that often discuss reception.

    >
    > I don't know of any systematic tests comparing phones (could be - I
    > just don't know about them). All I have to go on is anecdotal
    > information I've seen here and on HowardForums. Basically people
    > who have two phones (family plan) can say, "My wife's phone works
    > great in our house but mine barely gets reception". Stuff like that.
    > I heard good reception feedback about the 3589i before I bought it and
    > it has been a good phone.
    >
    > Andrew
    > --
     
  20. Don Doumakes

    Don Doumakes Guest

    "Michael L." <FIGHTALLSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<FIGHTALLSPAM-481F70.18374707062004@news-60.giganews.com>...
    > Does anyone have any comments comparing the 1900 MHZ CDMA Sprint quality
    > with Verizon's 800 MHZ CDMA quality?


    I wouldn't make the decision based solely, or even mostly, on the
    quality of the reception, any more than I'd buy a car based on how
    fast it'll go. For me it's all about overall quality of the
    experience, which mostly means customer service.

    In my experience Sprint PCS had very bad, awful, really breathtakingly
    bad customer service. Given a choice between Sprint PCS and no
    wireless service at all, I'd choose no service every time. (I'm not
    exaggerating; I did have that choice and did choose to go without a
    mobile phone for several months.)

    They inspired my little web page at
    <http://www.loganet.net/~doumakes/sprint.html>.

    Favorite Sprint PCS anecdote: my first phone needed a warranty
    replacement, and they promised they'd call me the minute it was
    available to be picked up. They didn't call. I went into the store
    to ask about my replacement phone. Turns out it had been there for
    several days already, and they claimed to have called and left me a
    message as promised. You guessed it: they called my dead mobile
    phone to tell me my replacement phone was in.
     

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