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Switching to Sprint? Opinions?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Michael L., Jun 7, 2004.

  1. Michael L. <FIGHTALLSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

    > By the way, thanks to all the people who responded to my query. I'm
    > leaning towards trying Sprint on a 14 day trial to see how it works for
    > me, especially if it is a 14 day no risk deal.


    Do be aware that, as I think others have mentioned, you will at least
    pay the $36 activation fee whether or not you keep the service. You will
    also pay for whatever airtime you used, I believe. You will be refunded
    the money for the phone, and you will not be charged an early termination
    fee, if you cancel within 14 days. (Double-check with your friendly
    neighborhood Sprint PCS rep to be sure, but I believe the info I've offered
    here is correct.)

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  2. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Michael L. <FIGHTALLSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
    : We've had Verizon for quite some time, so I have the benefit of trying
    : different phones here in Marin. Recently, I ran comparison tests of my
    : old LG510, my current Samsung A310, and my daughter's old Nokia 3285.
    : They all do pretty well in general, but the Nokia 3285 does seem to get
    : better reception in my house than the others.

    : BUT, it's still not good enough to rely on inside (works in one room but
    : no others). I am the one who posted the original question in this
    : thread, by the way, and I feel pretty certain that no Verizon phone will
    : work for me here at home. However, for what it's worth, that big brick
    : of a Nokia works pretty well as far as reception around town goes. As a
    : fan of very simple, no frills phones, I'd say it's quite decent, and if
    : I do end up sticking with Verizon, I'll probably get the 3589i.

    Nokia offers the 3588i for Sprint - seems like almost exactly the same
    phone as the 3589i. So if you go with Sprint, keep that in mind. If
    you are a Costco member, Sprint sells phones there as well, but I have
    no idea if you would get a special deal there.

    Andrew
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  3. O/Siris

    O/Siris Guest

    In article <rmarkoff-909FA3.20480607062004@news4.west.earthlink.net>,=20
    rmarkoff@faq.city says...
    >=20
    > Sprint natively uses only 1900 MHz. You can only roam where SprintPCS=20
    > allows you to roam, not just anywhere.
    >=20
    >=20


    ???

    Aside from some really small regional carriers, we've got roaming=20
    agreements that cover 97% of the entire land area of the country.

    --=20
    R=D8=DF
    O/Siris
    I work for Sprint PCS
    I *don't* speak for them
     
  4. In alt.cellular.sprintpcs O/Siris <0siris@spr?ntpcs.com> wrote:

    >> Sprint natively uses only 1900 MHz. You can only roam where SprintPCS
    >> allows you to roam, not just anywhere.

    >
    > ???
    >
    > Aside from some really small regional carriers, we've got roaming
    > agreements that cover 97% of the entire land area of the country.


    Well, technically, he *is* right. :) You can't force a Sprint phone to use
    a network not in its PRL, can you?

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  5. O/Siris

    O/Siris Guest

    In article <rmarkoff-40C2C5.04233008062004@news5.west.earthlink.net>,=20
    rmarkoff@faq.city says...
    >=20
    > ONLY if total roaming minutes are less than half of the total minutes=20
    > used that month.
    >=20
    >=20


    Actually, no. If you exceed that 50% limit, you're still covered. =20
    We send you a friendly reminder of the 50% limit, but cover you=20
    unless you exceed it twice within a 3-month period.

    --=20
    R=D8=DF
    O/Siris
    I work for Sprint PCS
    I *don't* speak for them
     
  6. O/Siris

    O/Siris Guest

    In article <7tmdncx5j4ChHlvdRVn-vw@lmi.net>, sjsobol@JustThe.net=20
    says...
    >=20
    > Well, technically, he *is* right. :) You can't force a Sprint phone to us=

    e
    > a network not in its PRL, can you?=20
    >=20


    Yes, if you're way out in the boonies, and the phone find an analog=20
    signal from Rinky-Dink Telecom, Inc, it will acquire and sign in. =20
    Then, if you try to use the phone to place a call, you will wind up=20
    redirected to their customer care center, where they'll ask for a=20
    credit card number, and they'll charge you some per-minute fee to use=20
    their network (and I'm told some of those fees make our international=20
    roaming rates look cheap).

    That's just one example.

    --=20
    R=D8=DF
    O/Siris
    I work for Sprint PCS
    I *don't* speak for them
     
  7. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    > Michael L. <FIGHTALLSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >> We've had Verizon for quite some time, so I have the benefit of
    >> trying different phones here in Marin. Recently, I ran comparison
    >> tests of my old LG510, my current Samsung A310, and my daughter's
    >> old Nokia 3285. They all do pretty well in general, but the Nokia
    >> 3285 does seem to get better reception in my house than the others.

    >
    >> BUT, it's still not good enough to rely on inside (works in one room
    >> but no others). I am the one who posted the original question in
    >> this thread, by the way, and I feel pretty certain that no Verizon
    >> phone will work for me here at home. However, for what it's worth,
    >> that big brick of a Nokia works pretty well as far as reception
    >> around town goes. As a fan of very simple, no frills phones, I'd
    >> say it's quite decent, and if I do end up sticking with Verizon,
    >> I'll probably get the 3589i.


    If the phones work fine for you were you go OUTSIDE your home, and you just
    have problems with it INSIDE your home, you may want to consider a whole
    house repeater for your home. (see home repeaters at www.cellantenna.com
    usually under $500). My house is in a sort of a valley and reception sucks
    at home, but is good everywhere else. This let me put a yagi (directional
    antenna) in the attic, and a ceiling mount inside. The phones work anywhere
    and get a great signal.
     
  8. Mike

    Mike Guest

    O/Siris wrote:

    > In article <7tmdncx5j4ChHlvdRVn-vw@lmi.net>, sjsobol@JustThe.net
    > says...
    >
    >>Well, technically, he *is* right. :) You can't force a Sprint phone to use
    >>a network not in its PRL, can you?
    >>

    >
    >
    > Yes, if you're way out in the boonies, and the phone find an analog
    > signal from Rinky-Dink Telecom, Inc, it will acquire and sign in.
    > Then, if you try to use the phone to place a call, you will wind up
    > redirected to their customer care center, where they'll ask for a
    > credit card number, and they'll charge you some per-minute fee to use
    > their network (and I'm told some of those fees make our international
    > roaming rates look cheap).
    >
    > That's just one example.
    >


    1998, Mississippi. Qualcomm QCP-2700. No Sprint. No FM radio even. Want
    to call home to tell them I'm still alive. I check the signal meters,
    and I do have something. I get this roaming network. I can enter a card
    number or I can call collect. No disclosure of fees, no customer service
    people. I decided to call home collect. I figured I'd pay $2-$4 for the
    call. A month later I get a bill of $16 for a two minute call.
    -mike
     
  9. Kent

    Kent Guest

    "Mike" <spamtrap@zbuffer.com> wrote in message
    news:8cyxc.18986$Yd3.3131@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
    > O/Siris wrote:
    >
    > > In article <7tmdncx5j4ChHlvdRVn-vw@lmi.net>, sjsobol@JustThe.net
    > > says...
    > >
    > >>Well, technically, he *is* right. :) You can't force a Sprint phone to

    use
    > >>a network not in its PRL, can you?
    > >>

    > >
    > >
    > > Yes, if you're way out in the boonies, and the phone find an analog
    > > signal from Rinky-Dink Telecom, Inc, it will acquire and sign in.
    > > Then, if you try to use the phone to place a call, you will wind up
    > > redirected to their customer care center, where they'll ask for a
    > > credit card number, and they'll charge you some per-minute fee to use
    > > their network (and I'm told some of those fees make our international
    > > roaming rates look cheap).
    > >
    > > That's just one example.
    > >

    >
    > 1998, Mississippi. Qualcomm QCP-2700. No Sprint. No FM radio even. Want
    > to call home to tell them I'm still alive. I check the signal meters,
    > and I do have something. I get this roaming network. I can enter a card
    > number or I can call collect. No disclosure of fees, no customer service
    > people. I decided to call home collect. I figured I'd pay $2-$4 for the
    > call. A month later I get a bill of $16 for a two minute call.
    > -mike


    Boy, you aint from these parts are you..... LOL
     
  10. Mike

    Mike Guest

    On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 10:14:25 -0500, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

    (re: Youngstown/Warren, OH)

    >> I forget who the other A/B carrier in the market is...I think it's DBA
    >> Cellular One.

    >
    >Dobson CellularONE. I believe you're right. Sprint has native coverage
    >there, Dobson has native coverage there, and Alltel also does. Verizon
    >does not, and if you have National Single Rate, America's Choice or North
    >America's Choice you roam for free on Alltel (I think you may also roam for
    >free on the local plans, but I'm not sure about that).


    I believe the roaming is free in Youngstown/Warren on the Local
    DigitalChoice plans, too... the map, IIRC, includes pretty much all of
    Ohio and Michigan, except perhaps much of the extreme southeast part
    of the state (I think the Alltel coverage along I-77 in SE Ohio is
    included, but much of SE Ohio has little service to begin with).

    Sprint is there in Youngstown/Warren, but Sprint's Cleveland SID was
    taken out of the PRL a few revisions ago. I was able to roam on
    Sprint on my old 5185i, but no PRL in my LG 4400 has allowed Sprint
    roaming in NE Ohio. It's Alltel or nothing. Fortunately, Alltel
    seems to have pretty extensive digital coverage in the
    Youngstown/Warren area, and I've never been without service in the
    Mahoning Valley.

    Mike
     
  11. In alt.cellular.sprintpcs Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:


    > Sprint is there in Youngstown/Warren, but Sprint's Cleveland SID was
    > taken out of the PRL a few revisions ago. I was able to roam on
    > Sprint on my old 5185i, but no PRL in my LG 4400 has allowed Sprint
    > roaming in NE Ohio. It's Alltel or nothing. Fortunately, Alltel
    > seems to have pretty extensive digital coverage in the
    > Youngstown/Warren area, and I've never been without service in the
    > Mahoning Valley.


    Yeah, but Verizon coverage in the Lake Shore Boulevard corridor north of
    Ohio 283 in Lake County sucked eggs a couple years ago and it was useful
    to roam onto Sprint. Verizon coverage around Ashtabula sucked too. I know
    the former was fixed (I lived in Mentor on the Lake at the time), but don't
    have any idea about the latter. My Verizon phone used to roam onto Sprint
    in Ashtabula...

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  12. Mike

    Mike Guest

    On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:38:20 -0500, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

    >Yeah, but Verizon coverage in the Lake Shore Boulevard corridor north of
    >Ohio 283 in Lake County sucked eggs a couple years ago and it was useful
    >to roam onto Sprint. Verizon coverage around Ashtabula sucked too. I know
    >the former was fixed (I lived in Mentor on the Lake at the time), but don't
    >have any idea about the latter. My Verizon phone used to roam onto Sprint
    >in Ashtabula...


    I've never had any problem with VZW coverage up in Ashtabula or nearby
    areas...the coverage there seems just as solid as most of the rest of
    NE Ohio.

    I'm guessing that eventually, VZW will drop nearly all Sprint coverage
    out of the PRL, except when they have no other choice. Almost every
    PRL update seems to kick out anywhere from one to three Sprint PCS
    SIDs.

    Mike
     
  13. In alt.cellular.sprintpcs Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > I'm guessing that eventually, VZW will drop nearly all Sprint coverage
    > out of the PRL, except when they have no other choice. Almost every
    > PRL update seems to kick out anywhere from one to three Sprint PCS
    > SIDs.


    Probably because Verizon can't get the sweet roaming deals from Sprint
    that they can from USCC and Alltel.

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  14. What if you have 700 regular minutes and the unlimited evening/weekends of
    course. Your total for the month turns out to be 600 regular minutes and
    2,000 evening/weekend minutes. 400 of your regular minutes are roaming and
    only 600 of the evening/weekend minutes are. Do you get warned? What about
    if only 250 of the regular minutes are roaming but 1,500 of the
    evening/weekend ones are? What happens then?

    I'm thinking about switching from Verizon to Sprint, but I keep hearing
    stuff that scares me away. And I can't find anyone who can tell me if the
    service will work well in an area that's about 2 miles from the Interstate
    but kind of in the country (Verizon works well there).

    A 14-day trial isn't very reasonable for me, because I'll be putting 3
    phones on the same account and keeping my numbers that I currently have with
    Verizon. So I need to know for sure what to do before I make a decision.

    Also, I want a phone that is a good camera phone, is reliable, and works
    well with PCS Vision. I was going to get the PM8200 (even though I don't
    need RL), but some people on here have been saying the phone isn't so
    reliable. I don't want to spend more than $100/phone after the instant
    rebates.

    Ernest

    ----------------------

    "O/Siris" <0siris@sprîntpcs.com> wrote in message
    news:bacb02fa3617a59148bd4753a0250928@news.teranews.com...
    In article <rmarkoff-40C2C5.04233008062004@news5.west.earthlink.net>,
    rmarkoff@faq.city says...
    >
    > ONLY if total roaming minutes are less than half of the total minutes
    > used that month.
    >
    >


    Actually, no. If you exceed that 50% limit, you're still covered.
    We send you a friendly reminder of the 50% limit, but cover you
    unless you exceed it twice within a 3-month period.

    --
    RØß
    O/Siris
    I work for Sprint PCS
    I *don't* speak for them
     
  15. "O/Siris" <0siris@sprîntpcs.cØm> wrote:

    >The 50% limit only applies to total usage. If more than 50% of your total
    >usage in a month is roaming, then we cover you and send you a reminder about
    >the 50% limit. Do it again within 3 months, and we still cover you, but we
    >remove the Free&Clear America option.


    Are you saying that if I had a Sprint plan with 800 minutes a month,
    used 40 of them, and 21 of them were roaming, I'd be in violation? Or
    would it take 401 minutes?



    ==
    Jack Hamilton
    jfh@acm.org

    ==
    In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted comfort and security.
    And in the end, they lost it all - freedom, comfort and security.
    Edward Gibbons
     
  16. Røbert M.

    Røbert M. Guest

    In article <14vkc0lrq4ul9m9l5l0hunl09gdq1lhjrk@4ax.com>,
    Jack Hamilton <jfh@acm.org> wrote:

    > "O/Siris" <0siris@sprîntpcs.cØm> wrote:
    >
    > >The 50% limit only applies to total usage. If more than 50% of your total
    > >usage in a month is roaming, then we cover you and send you a reminder about
    > >the 50% limit. Do it again within 3 months, and we still cover you, but we
    > >remove the Free&Clear America option.

    >
    > Are you saying that if I had a Sprint plan with 800 minutes a month,
    > used 40 of them, and 21 of them were roaming, I'd be in violation? Or
    > would it take 401 minutes?


    In your scenario 21 would be a violation.
     
  17. Bob Smith

    Bob Smith Guest

    "Jack Hamilton" <jfh@acm.org> wrote in message
    news:14vkc0lrq4ul9m9l5l0hunl09gdq1lhjrk@4ax.com...
    > "O/Siris" <0siris@sprîntpcs.cØm> wrote:
    >
    > >The 50% limit only applies to total usage. If more than 50% of your

    total
    > >usage in a month is roaming, then we cover you and send you a reminder

    about
    > >the 50% limit. Do it again within 3 months, and we still cover you, but

    we
    > >remove the Free&Clear America option.

    >
    > Are you saying that if I had a Sprint plan with 800 minutes a month,
    > used 40 of them, and 21 of them were roaming, I'd be in violation? Or
    > would it take 401 minutes?
    >
    >
    >
    > ==
    > Jack Hamilton
    > jfh@acm.org


    In the 21/40 example - Yes, but I don't think the word "violation" is the
    right terminology to use. More likely described as an overage. On the
    401/800 example - No. It's 50% of the minutes "used" during a billing cycle,
    not the amount of plan minutes included in your monthly plan.

    Bob
     
  18. "Bob Smith" <usirsclt_No_Spam_@earthlink.net> wrote:

    >
    >"Jack Hamilton" <jfh@acm.org> wrote in message
    >news:14vkc0lrq4ul9m9l5l0hunl09gdq1lhjrk@4ax.com...
    >> "O/Siris" <0siris@sprîntpcs.cØm> wrote:
    >>
    >> >The 50% limit only applies to total usage. If more than 50% of your

    >total
    >> >usage in a month is roaming, then we cover you and send you a reminder

    >about
    >> >the 50% limit. Do it again within 3 months, and we still cover you, but

    >we
    >> >remove the Free&Clear America option.

    >>
    >> Are you saying that if I had a Sprint plan with 800 minutes a month,
    >> used 40 of them, and 21 of them were roaming, I'd be in violation? Or
    >> would it take 401 minutes?
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> ==
    >> Jack Hamilton
    >> jfh@acm.org

    >
    >In the 21/40 example - Yes, but I don't think the word "violation" is the
    >right terminology to use. More likely described as an overage. On the
    >401/800 example - No. It's 50% of the minutes "used" during a billing cycle,
    >not the amount of plan minutes included in your monthly plan.


    So I'd be better off calling my home phone and just letting the two
    phones stay connected for two hours when I got back, so the denominator
    would be larger. I wouldn't think Sprint would want to encourage that.



    ==
    Jack Hamilton
    jfh@acm.org

    ==
    In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted comfort and security.
    And in the end, they lost it all - freedom, comfort and security.
    Edward Gibbons
     
  19. Bob Smith

    Bob Smith Guest

    "Jack Hamilton" <jfh@acm.org> wrote in message
    news:5bimc0l6h59uajjd2h1cqo8aplerrmmdiu@4ax.com...
    > "Bob Smith" <usirsclt_No_Spam_@earthlink.net> wrote:


    <snipped>
    >
    > So I'd be better off calling my home phone and just letting the two
    > phones stay connected for two hours when I got back, so the denominator
    > would be larger. I wouldn't think Sprint would want to encourage that.


    These all sound like hypothetical arguments. First off Jack, let's get
    something straight. It sounds like you don't have SPCS coverage with all
    this talk of roaming. If you were roaming that much, you should have dumped
    SPCS and found another provider. If you do have coverage with SPCS and roam
    that much, I have a bridge in Brooklyn, NY I'd like to sell you ...

    We have not had any complaints about the F&CA option in the SPCS newsgroup.
    In fact, I don't remember anyone filing a post where they received a
    notification of having too many roaming minutes. It's probably the best $5
    monthly investment offered by SPCS for those that do find they roam
    occasionally, either off network or in a dead spot.

    As Rob has mentioned a number of times, if SPCS sees a trend where there are
    more that 50% roaming minutes in a billing cycle, they will send a
    notification to the customer. If a customer does exceed the 50% threshold,
    SPCS doesn't charge them any more $$$. If the customer continues with that
    calling pattern, they will remove the F&CA option from the plan after 90
    days.

    Bob
     
  20. Røbert M.

    Røbert M. Guest

    In article <5bimc0l6h59uajjd2h1cqo8aplerrmmdiu@4ax.com>,
    Jack Hamilton <jfh@acm.org> wrote:

    > >In the 21/40 example - Yes, but I don't think the word "violation" is the
    > >right terminology to use. More likely described as an overage. On the
    > >401/800 example - No. It's 50% of the minutes "used" during a billing cycle,
    > >not the amount of plan minutes included in your monthly plan.

    >
    > So I'd be better off calling my home phone and just letting the two
    > phones stay connected for two hours when I got back, so the denominator
    > would be larger. I wouldn't think Sprint would want to encourage that.


    When you have anal-retentive rules, folks quickly find ways around them.
     

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