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Technical question on Airprime PC card - Unlimited NationalAccess and Networks

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Peter Pan, Jun 16, 2004.

  1. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    "Elector" <elector@my-deja.com> wrote in message
    news:NZ0Ac.31461$mz.22919@nwrdny02.gnilink.net
    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:2jbhkeFvdr9rU1@uni-berlin.de...
    >> A question that someone here may or may not be able to answer. I
    >> keep trying Verizon tech support and got many different and
    >> conflicting answers. I have a laptop with an Airprime card and an
    >> unlimited account. One of my office mates has a DSL connection, and
    >> another has a cable internet connection. Work is considering putting
    >> in a wireless network so we can share things like printers dial-up
    >> etc. The DSL people and the Cable people, both say that their
    >> connections/modems can be a shared resource on the network, yet the
    >> Verizon people say that their Airprime card/unlimited access cant be
    >> a shared resource on the network. It seems sort of silly that DSL or
    >> cable can be shared, but the Airprime card can't.
    >> There is one other piece of info making me wonder (and may answer
    >> why we just don't stick with DSL or Cable), The office is looking to
    >> move in a few months to an area that is out of both the DSL and
    >> Cable areas, but has Verizon service, and as a matter of fact, we
    >> are in an area that will be going to Broadband Access in the next
    >> few months, so keeping the unlimited Airprime cards, and putting it
    >> on the network as a shared device, seems to make the most sense. One
    >> of the answers (a majorly absurd one), was that it can only be used
    >> in one machine, and not networked, the card has to be physically
    >> removed from one machine, and inserted into another. That's as silly
    >> as saying you can't use a printer on a network, no network sharing
    >> of printers! It has to be physically disconnected from the machine
    >> it is on and connected to another one! (or an even more absurd
    >> statement, from another tech support (not) person, was that since
    >> you will have 8 machines on the network, you have to buy 8 Airprime
    >> cards and 8 unlimited access accounts!) What is a network for except
    >> to share devices?
    >> I get the feeling that the techies at Verizon really don't want to
    >> consider it, since they can make ridiculous statements and make
    >> Verizon a lot more money.
    >> The other option for the new office would be a Sat internet system,
    >> Both Starband and Direcway say those can be shared devices on a
    >> network!
    >> Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated.
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    > God your making this way to technical. You cannot use an air card in a
    > shared office environment. One it is used for cellular broadband
    > connection. Secondly on a cable or DSL service a simple broadband
    > router like Linksys (http://www.linksys.com and additional external
    > cardbus (Network Cards) or internal Wireless a/b/g will be able to
    > connect to the net via the placement of the router and the ability to
    > be setup to use that network.
    >
    > If you don't have the router and the network cards you cannot share
    > the connection wireless or via a wired connection.
    >
    > Your Verizon Wireless Aircard is not compatible so that is not going
    > to work in that environment.
    >
    > Oh and I use both a wireless G card and wired connections on my
    > network. They work great. Just be sure to set up individual MAC
    > address filters or you'll have every tom, dick and harry trying to
    > use the connection (DSL or Cable)
    >
    > Elector


    Sorry for getting technical here, but tech support seems to have it's brain
    up it's rear, and gives absurd and conflicting answers.
    Just did a test at a friends, and now I am even more perplexed than ever. He
    has a cell/MO/wireless network etc, and when he (or anyone else on the
    network) logs on he/they can use the cell link, so now I am even more
    confused why a cell phone/MO can be a shared resource, but an Airprime card
    can't be!?!

    Let me restate, if I connect a cellphone and MO on a networked machine, make
    it a shared resource, others can use it (just like DSL/Cable/Sat), yet the
    Airprime card that is supposed to be always on (and which can do the even
    higher speed Broadband), can't. So handsets/MO can do it, but the card
    can't, and unfortunately, there's no handset/mo combo at the moment that can
    use Broadband.

    Basically the dilemma is I would like to use my existing card (which is
    still on contract for 6 months, and work will pay for it and the remaining
    contract if I can get it working), or in the new location, they will
    probably just get a Sat system.

    The part that's annoying, is that it makes no logical sense for a phone/mo
    combo to work, yet the data card won't.
     



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  2. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    "Elector" <elector@my-deja.com> wrote in message
    news:NZ0Ac.31461$mz.22919@nwrdny02.gnilink.net
    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:2jbhkeFvdr9rU1@uni-berlin.de...
    >> A question that someone here may or may not be able to answer. I
    >> keep trying Verizon tech support and got many different and
    >> conflicting answers. I have a laptop with an Airprime card and an
    >> unlimited account. One of my office mates has a DSL connection, and
    >> another has a cable internet connection. Work is considering putting
    >> in a wireless network so we can share things like printers dial-up
    >> etc. The DSL people and the Cable people, both say that their
    >> connections/modems can be a shared resource on the network, yet the
    >> Verizon people say that their Airprime card/unlimited access cant be
    >> a shared resource on the network. It seems sort of silly that DSL or
    >> cable can be shared, but the Airprime card can't.
    >> There is one other piece of info making me wonder (and may answer
    >> why we just don't stick with DSL or Cable), The office is looking to
    >> move in a few months to an area that is out of both the DSL and
    >> Cable areas, but has Verizon service, and as a matter of fact, we
    >> are in an area that will be going to Broadband Access in the next
    >> few months, so keeping the unlimited Airprime cards, and putting it
    >> on the network as a shared device, seems to make the most sense. One
    >> of the answers (a majorly absurd one), was that it can only be used
    >> in one machine, and not networked, the card has to be physically
    >> removed from one machine, and inserted into another. That's as silly
    >> as saying you can't use a printer on a network, no network sharing
    >> of printers! It has to be physically disconnected from the machine
    >> it is on and connected to another one! (or an even more absurd
    >> statement, from another tech support (not) person, was that since
    >> you will have 8 machines on the network, you have to buy 8 Airprime
    >> cards and 8 unlimited access accounts!) What is a network for except
    >> to share devices?
    >> I get the feeling that the techies at Verizon really don't want to
    >> consider it, since they can make ridiculous statements and make
    >> Verizon a lot more money.
    >> The other option for the new office would be a Sat internet system,
    >> Both Starband and Direcway say those can be shared devices on a
    >> network!
    >> Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated.
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    > God your making this way to technical. You cannot use an air card in a
    > shared office environment. One it is used for cellular broadband
    > connection. Secondly on a cable or DSL service a simple broadband
    > router like Linksys (http://www.linksys.com and additional external
    > cardbus (Network Cards) or internal Wireless a/b/g will be able to
    > connect to the net via the placement of the router and the ability to
    > be setup to use that network.
    >
    > If you don't have the router and the network cards you cannot share
    > the connection wireless or via a wired connection.
    >
    > Your Verizon Wireless Aircard is not compatible so that is not going
    > to work in that environment.
    >
    > Oh and I use both a wireless G card and wired connections on my
    > network. They work great. Just be sure to set up individual MAC
    > address filters or you'll have every tom, dick and harry trying to
    > use the connection (DSL or Cable)
    >
    > Elector


    Sorry for getting technical here, but tech support seems to have it's brain
    up it's rear, and gives absurd and conflicting answers.
    Just did a test at a friends, and now I am even more perplexed than ever. He
    has a cell/MO/wireless network etc, and when he (or anyone else on the
    network) logs on he/they can use the cell link, so now I am even more
    confused why a cell phone/MO can be a shared resource, but an Airprime card
    can't be!?!

    Let me restate, if I connect a cellphone and MO on a networked machine, make
    it a shared resource, others can use it (just like DSL/Cable/Sat), yet the
    Airprime card that is supposed to be always on (and which can do the even
    higher speed Broadband), can't. So handsets/MO can do it, but the card
    can't, and unfortunately, there's no handset/mo combo at the moment that can
    use Broadband.

    Basically the dilemma is I would like to use my existing card (which is
    still on contract for 6 months, and work will pay for it and the remaining
    contract if I can get it working), or in the new location, they will
    probably just get a Sat system.

    The part that's annoying, is that it makes no logical sense for a phone/mo
    combo to work, yet the data card won't.
     
  3. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    "Elector" <elector@my-deja.com> wrote in message
    news:NZ0Ac.31461$mz.22919@nwrdny02.gnilink.net
    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:2jbhkeFvdr9rU1@uni-berlin.de...
    >> A question that someone here may or may not be able to answer. I
    >> keep trying Verizon tech support and got many different and
    >> conflicting answers. I have a laptop with an Airprime card and an
    >> unlimited account. One of my office mates has a DSL connection, and
    >> another has a cable internet connection. Work is considering putting
    >> in a wireless network so we can share things like printers dial-up
    >> etc. The DSL people and the Cable people, both say that their
    >> connections/modems can be a shared resource on the network, yet the
    >> Verizon people say that their Airprime card/unlimited access cant be
    >> a shared resource on the network. It seems sort of silly that DSL or
    >> cable can be shared, but the Airprime card can't.
    >> There is one other piece of info making me wonder (and may answer
    >> why we just don't stick with DSL or Cable), The office is looking to
    >> move in a few months to an area that is out of both the DSL and
    >> Cable areas, but has Verizon service, and as a matter of fact, we
    >> are in an area that will be going to Broadband Access in the next
    >> few months, so keeping the unlimited Airprime cards, and putting it
    >> on the network as a shared device, seems to make the most sense. One
    >> of the answers (a majorly absurd one), was that it can only be used
    >> in one machine, and not networked, the card has to be physically
    >> removed from one machine, and inserted into another. That's as silly
    >> as saying you can't use a printer on a network, no network sharing
    >> of printers! It has to be physically disconnected from the machine
    >> it is on and connected to another one! (or an even more absurd
    >> statement, from another tech support (not) person, was that since
    >> you will have 8 machines on the network, you have to buy 8 Airprime
    >> cards and 8 unlimited access accounts!) What is a network for except
    >> to share devices?
    >> I get the feeling that the techies at Verizon really don't want to
    >> consider it, since they can make ridiculous statements and make
    >> Verizon a lot more money.
    >> The other option for the new office would be a Sat internet system,
    >> Both Starband and Direcway say those can be shared devices on a
    >> network!
    >> Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated.
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    > God your making this way to technical. You cannot use an air card in a
    > shared office environment. One it is used for cellular broadband
    > connection. Secondly on a cable or DSL service a simple broadband
    > router like Linksys (http://www.linksys.com and additional external
    > cardbus (Network Cards) or internal Wireless a/b/g will be able to
    > connect to the net via the placement of the router and the ability to
    > be setup to use that network.
    >
    > If you don't have the router and the network cards you cannot share
    > the connection wireless or via a wired connection.
    >
    > Your Verizon Wireless Aircard is not compatible so that is not going
    > to work in that environment.
    >
    > Oh and I use both a wireless G card and wired connections on my
    > network. They work great. Just be sure to set up individual MAC
    > address filters or you'll have every tom, dick and harry trying to
    > use the connection (DSL or Cable)
    >
    > Elector


    Sorry for getting technical here, but tech support seems to have it's brain
    up it's rear, and gives absurd and conflicting answers.
    Just did a test at a friends, and now I am even more perplexed than ever. He
    has a cell/MO/wireless network etc, and when he (or anyone else on the
    network) logs on he/they can use the cell link, so now I am even more
    confused why a cell phone/MO can be a shared resource, but an Airprime card
    can't be!?!

    Let me restate, if I connect a cellphone and MO on a networked machine, make
    it a shared resource, others can use it (just like DSL/Cable/Sat), yet the
    Airprime card that is supposed to be always on (and which can do the even
    higher speed Broadband), can't. So handsets/MO can do it, but the card
    can't, and unfortunately, there's no handset/mo combo at the moment that can
    use Broadband.

    Basically the dilemma is I would like to use my existing card (which is
    still on contract for 6 months, and work will pay for it and the remaining
    contract if I can get it working), or in the new location, they will
    probably just get a Sat system.

    The part that's annoying, is that it makes no logical sense for a phone/mo
    combo to work, yet the data card won't.
     
  4. Quick

    Quick Guest

    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:2jbhkeFvdr9rU1@uni-berlin.de...
    >> A question that someone here may or may not be able to answer. I
    >> keep trying Verizon tech support and got many different and
    >> conflicting answers. I have a laptop with an Airprime card and an
    >> unlimited account. One of my office mates has a DSL connection, and
    >> another has a cable internet connection. Work is considering putting
    >> in a wireless network so we can share things like printers dial-up
    >> etc. The DSL people and the Cable people, both say that their
    >> connections/modems can be a shared resource on the network, yet the
    >> Verizon people say that their Airprime card/unlimited access cant be
    >> a shared resource on the network. It seems sort of silly that DSL or
    >> cable can be shared, but the Airprime card can't.


    Ummm, you're sort of mixing things and levels here.

    1) Legal or intended use.
    VZW may be saying that there Airprime card/connection is intended
    for use by a single PC/device. On the other hand, DSL and Cable are
    marketed for use by multiple users like a household. VZW *may* be
    marketing the unlimited plan as being intended for a "single user". Kind
    of like Sprint data plans? that prohibit tethered or "machine" use.

    2) Technical

    Although this is not what everybody is talking about (some may be)
    there is a difference at the IP level. The provider can allocate you
    a) a single dynamic IP address
    When you connect you get a single IP address. Actually it is the
    DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard that gets assigned an IP
    address. When you make a connection to something (remote IP
    address) this is the IP address used by the remote end to reply to.
    b) a single static IP address
    This is a "permanent" IP address assigned to your end if the link --
    again, the DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard (don't know if you
    have this option for an aircard. it's up to the provider). Every time you
    connect (or turn on your modem/aircard) you will have the same IP
    address. One would use this to allow the establishment of connections
    *to* you that were initiated from the outside. You host your web page
    locally or run a game server that others connect to, etc.
    c) multiple static IP addresses
    More than one of b) above. This is a matter of reserving those IP
    addresses
    and traffic routed to any of them will come to you. Think of it as your
    modem(s) having more than one IP address.

    With the above in mind there are many ways of "sharing" a single link that
    has a single IP address. aka Network Address Translation (NAT) and/or
    Network Address Port Translation. Something on your end of the link has
    a single IP address on the link side and can handle multiple addresses
    (different,
    usually private) on the other side/inside. It sort of acts like a
    connection proxy.

    Most of the time these different functions are combined into a single
    device.
    Router, modem, firewall, homeportal, access point, etc.

    Most often a DSL or Cable modem (except the card ones) are also
    a router and DHCP server. They handle the link layer modem part,
    network address translation, DHCP (dynamic IP assignments) for the
    inside network, and routing.

    Your Aircard probably doesn't do this. I believe it only does the modem
    part (and maybe gets its own IP address on the outside). The modem
    part in this case is making the cell call to VZW's modem and probably
    running PPP or some other authentication/encapsulation protocol.

    SO... to share this connection you would probably use something like
    Microsoft's connection sharing or someother scheme where the PC with
    the Aircard is the one with the connection and everybody on the inside
    talks through it. Connection sharing basically gives you NAT functionality
    but uses a different scheme internally.

    Bottom line is that, from the perspective of sharing, all the links you
    mentioned are the same. For the setups you are familiar with, a) above,
    there is no difference and really no way to tell if its being used that way
    from the outside.

    -Quick
     
  5. Quick

    Quick Guest

    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:2jbhkeFvdr9rU1@uni-berlin.de...
    >> A question that someone here may or may not be able to answer. I
    >> keep trying Verizon tech support and got many different and
    >> conflicting answers. I have a laptop with an Airprime card and an
    >> unlimited account. One of my office mates has a DSL connection, and
    >> another has a cable internet connection. Work is considering putting
    >> in a wireless network so we can share things like printers dial-up
    >> etc. The DSL people and the Cable people, both say that their
    >> connections/modems can be a shared resource on the network, yet the
    >> Verizon people say that their Airprime card/unlimited access cant be
    >> a shared resource on the network. It seems sort of silly that DSL or
    >> cable can be shared, but the Airprime card can't.


    Ummm, you're sort of mixing things and levels here.

    1) Legal or intended use.
    VZW may be saying that there Airprime card/connection is intended
    for use by a single PC/device. On the other hand, DSL and Cable are
    marketed for use by multiple users like a household. VZW *may* be
    marketing the unlimited plan as being intended for a "single user". Kind
    of like Sprint data plans? that prohibit tethered or "machine" use.

    2) Technical

    Although this is not what everybody is talking about (some may be)
    there is a difference at the IP level. The provider can allocate you
    a) a single dynamic IP address
    When you connect you get a single IP address. Actually it is the
    DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard that gets assigned an IP
    address. When you make a connection to something (remote IP
    address) this is the IP address used by the remote end to reply to.
    b) a single static IP address
    This is a "permanent" IP address assigned to your end if the link --
    again, the DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard (don't know if you
    have this option for an aircard. it's up to the provider). Every time you
    connect (or turn on your modem/aircard) you will have the same IP
    address. One would use this to allow the establishment of connections
    *to* you that were initiated from the outside. You host your web page
    locally or run a game server that others connect to, etc.
    c) multiple static IP addresses
    More than one of b) above. This is a matter of reserving those IP
    addresses
    and traffic routed to any of them will come to you. Think of it as your
    modem(s) having more than one IP address.

    With the above in mind there are many ways of "sharing" a single link that
    has a single IP address. aka Network Address Translation (NAT) and/or
    Network Address Port Translation. Something on your end of the link has
    a single IP address on the link side and can handle multiple addresses
    (different,
    usually private) on the other side/inside. It sort of acts like a
    connection proxy.

    Most of the time these different functions are combined into a single
    device.
    Router, modem, firewall, homeportal, access point, etc.

    Most often a DSL or Cable modem (except the card ones) are also
    a router and DHCP server. They handle the link layer modem part,
    network address translation, DHCP (dynamic IP assignments) for the
    inside network, and routing.

    Your Aircard probably doesn't do this. I believe it only does the modem
    part (and maybe gets its own IP address on the outside). The modem
    part in this case is making the cell call to VZW's modem and probably
    running PPP or some other authentication/encapsulation protocol.

    SO... to share this connection you would probably use something like
    Microsoft's connection sharing or someother scheme where the PC with
    the Aircard is the one with the connection and everybody on the inside
    talks through it. Connection sharing basically gives you NAT functionality
    but uses a different scheme internally.

    Bottom line is that, from the perspective of sharing, all the links you
    mentioned are the same. For the setups you are familiar with, a) above,
    there is no difference and really no way to tell if its being used that way
    from the outside.

    -Quick
     
  6. Quick

    Quick Guest

    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:2jbhkeFvdr9rU1@uni-berlin.de...
    >> A question that someone here may or may not be able to answer. I
    >> keep trying Verizon tech support and got many different and
    >> conflicting answers. I have a laptop with an Airprime card and an
    >> unlimited account. One of my office mates has a DSL connection, and
    >> another has a cable internet connection. Work is considering putting
    >> in a wireless network so we can share things like printers dial-up
    >> etc. The DSL people and the Cable people, both say that their
    >> connections/modems can be a shared resource on the network, yet the
    >> Verizon people say that their Airprime card/unlimited access cant be
    >> a shared resource on the network. It seems sort of silly that DSL or
    >> cable can be shared, but the Airprime card can't.


    Ummm, you're sort of mixing things and levels here.

    1) Legal or intended use.
    VZW may be saying that there Airprime card/connection is intended
    for use by a single PC/device. On the other hand, DSL and Cable are
    marketed for use by multiple users like a household. VZW *may* be
    marketing the unlimited plan as being intended for a "single user". Kind
    of like Sprint data plans? that prohibit tethered or "machine" use.

    2) Technical

    Although this is not what everybody is talking about (some may be)
    there is a difference at the IP level. The provider can allocate you
    a) a single dynamic IP address
    When you connect you get a single IP address. Actually it is the
    DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard that gets assigned an IP
    address. When you make a connection to something (remote IP
    address) this is the IP address used by the remote end to reply to.
    b) a single static IP address
    This is a "permanent" IP address assigned to your end if the link --
    again, the DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard (don't know if you
    have this option for an aircard. it's up to the provider). Every time you
    connect (or turn on your modem/aircard) you will have the same IP
    address. One would use this to allow the establishment of connections
    *to* you that were initiated from the outside. You host your web page
    locally or run a game server that others connect to, etc.
    c) multiple static IP addresses
    More than one of b) above. This is a matter of reserving those IP
    addresses
    and traffic routed to any of them will come to you. Think of it as your
    modem(s) having more than one IP address.

    With the above in mind there are many ways of "sharing" a single link that
    has a single IP address. aka Network Address Translation (NAT) and/or
    Network Address Port Translation. Something on your end of the link has
    a single IP address on the link side and can handle multiple addresses
    (different,
    usually private) on the other side/inside. It sort of acts like a
    connection proxy.

    Most of the time these different functions are combined into a single
    device.
    Router, modem, firewall, homeportal, access point, etc.

    Most often a DSL or Cable modem (except the card ones) are also
    a router and DHCP server. They handle the link layer modem part,
    network address translation, DHCP (dynamic IP assignments) for the
    inside network, and routing.

    Your Aircard probably doesn't do this. I believe it only does the modem
    part (and maybe gets its own IP address on the outside). The modem
    part in this case is making the cell call to VZW's modem and probably
    running PPP or some other authentication/encapsulation protocol.

    SO... to share this connection you would probably use something like
    Microsoft's connection sharing or someother scheme where the PC with
    the Aircard is the one with the connection and everybody on the inside
    talks through it. Connection sharing basically gives you NAT functionality
    but uses a different scheme internally.

    Bottom line is that, from the perspective of sharing, all the links you
    mentioned are the same. For the setups you are familiar with, a) above,
    there is no difference and really no way to tell if its being used that way
    from the outside.

    -Quick
     
  7. Quick

    Quick Guest

    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:2jbhkeFvdr9rU1@uni-berlin.de...
    >> A question that someone here may or may not be able to answer. I
    >> keep trying Verizon tech support and got many different and
    >> conflicting answers. I have a laptop with an Airprime card and an
    >> unlimited account. One of my office mates has a DSL connection, and
    >> another has a cable internet connection. Work is considering putting
    >> in a wireless network so we can share things like printers dial-up
    >> etc. The DSL people and the Cable people, both say that their
    >> connections/modems can be a shared resource on the network, yet the
    >> Verizon people say that their Airprime card/unlimited access cant be
    >> a shared resource on the network. It seems sort of silly that DSL or
    >> cable can be shared, but the Airprime card can't.


    Ummm, you're sort of mixing things and levels here.

    1) Legal or intended use.
    VZW may be saying that there Airprime card/connection is intended
    for use by a single PC/device. On the other hand, DSL and Cable are
    marketed for use by multiple users like a household. VZW *may* be
    marketing the unlimited plan as being intended for a "single user". Kind
    of like Sprint data plans? that prohibit tethered or "machine" use.

    2) Technical

    Although this is not what everybody is talking about (some may be)
    there is a difference at the IP level. The provider can allocate you
    a) a single dynamic IP address
    When you connect you get a single IP address. Actually it is the
    DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard that gets assigned an IP
    address. When you make a connection to something (remote IP
    address) this is the IP address used by the remote end to reply to.
    b) a single static IP address
    This is a "permanent" IP address assigned to your end if the link --
    again, the DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard (don't know if you
    have this option for an aircard. it's up to the provider). Every time you
    connect (or turn on your modem/aircard) you will have the same IP
    address. One would use this to allow the establishment of connections
    *to* you that were initiated from the outside. You host your web page
    locally or run a game server that others connect to, etc.
    c) multiple static IP addresses
    More than one of b) above. This is a matter of reserving those IP
    addresses
    and traffic routed to any of them will come to you. Think of it as your
    modem(s) having more than one IP address.

    With the above in mind there are many ways of "sharing" a single link that
    has a single IP address. aka Network Address Translation (NAT) and/or
    Network Address Port Translation. Something on your end of the link has
    a single IP address on the link side and can handle multiple addresses
    (different,
    usually private) on the other side/inside. It sort of acts like a
    connection proxy.

    Most of the time these different functions are combined into a single
    device.
    Router, modem, firewall, homeportal, access point, etc.

    Most often a DSL or Cable modem (except the card ones) are also
    a router and DHCP server. They handle the link layer modem part,
    network address translation, DHCP (dynamic IP assignments) for the
    inside network, and routing.

    Your Aircard probably doesn't do this. I believe it only does the modem
    part (and maybe gets its own IP address on the outside). The modem
    part in this case is making the cell call to VZW's modem and probably
    running PPP or some other authentication/encapsulation protocol.

    SO... to share this connection you would probably use something like
    Microsoft's connection sharing or someother scheme where the PC with
    the Aircard is the one with the connection and everybody on the inside
    talks through it. Connection sharing basically gives you NAT functionality
    but uses a different scheme internally.

    Bottom line is that, from the perspective of sharing, all the links you
    mentioned are the same. For the setups you are familiar with, a) above,
    there is no difference and really no way to tell if its being used that way
    from the outside.

    -Quick
     
  8. Quick

    Quick Guest

    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:2jbhkeFvdr9rU1@uni-berlin.de...
    >> A question that someone here may or may not be able to answer. I
    >> keep trying Verizon tech support and got many different and
    >> conflicting answers. I have a laptop with an Airprime card and an
    >> unlimited account. One of my office mates has a DSL connection, and
    >> another has a cable internet connection. Work is considering putting
    >> in a wireless network so we can share things like printers dial-up
    >> etc. The DSL people and the Cable people, both say that their
    >> connections/modems can be a shared resource on the network, yet the
    >> Verizon people say that their Airprime card/unlimited access cant be
    >> a shared resource on the network. It seems sort of silly that DSL or
    >> cable can be shared, but the Airprime card can't.


    Ummm, you're sort of mixing things and levels here.

    1) Legal or intended use.
    VZW may be saying that there Airprime card/connection is intended
    for use by a single PC/device. On the other hand, DSL and Cable are
    marketed for use by multiple users like a household. VZW *may* be
    marketing the unlimited plan as being intended for a "single user". Kind
    of like Sprint data plans? that prohibit tethered or "machine" use.

    2) Technical

    Although this is not what everybody is talking about (some may be)
    there is a difference at the IP level. The provider can allocate you
    a) a single dynamic IP address
    When you connect you get a single IP address. Actually it is the
    DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard that gets assigned an IP
    address. When you make a connection to something (remote IP
    address) this is the IP address used by the remote end to reply to.
    b) a single static IP address
    This is a "permanent" IP address assigned to your end if the link --
    again, the DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard (don't know if you
    have this option for an aircard. it's up to the provider). Every time you
    connect (or turn on your modem/aircard) you will have the same IP
    address. One would use this to allow the establishment of connections
    *to* you that were initiated from the outside. You host your web page
    locally or run a game server that others connect to, etc.
    c) multiple static IP addresses
    More than one of b) above. This is a matter of reserving those IP
    addresses
    and traffic routed to any of them will come to you. Think of it as your
    modem(s) having more than one IP address.

    With the above in mind there are many ways of "sharing" a single link that
    has a single IP address. aka Network Address Translation (NAT) and/or
    Network Address Port Translation. Something on your end of the link has
    a single IP address on the link side and can handle multiple addresses
    (different,
    usually private) on the other side/inside. It sort of acts like a
    connection proxy.

    Most of the time these different functions are combined into a single
    device.
    Router, modem, firewall, homeportal, access point, etc.

    Most often a DSL or Cable modem (except the card ones) are also
    a router and DHCP server. They handle the link layer modem part,
    network address translation, DHCP (dynamic IP assignments) for the
    inside network, and routing.

    Your Aircard probably doesn't do this. I believe it only does the modem
    part (and maybe gets its own IP address on the outside). The modem
    part in this case is making the cell call to VZW's modem and probably
    running PPP or some other authentication/encapsulation protocol.

    SO... to share this connection you would probably use something like
    Microsoft's connection sharing or someother scheme where the PC with
    the Aircard is the one with the connection and everybody on the inside
    talks through it. Connection sharing basically gives you NAT functionality
    but uses a different scheme internally.

    Bottom line is that, from the perspective of sharing, all the links you
    mentioned are the same. For the setups you are familiar with, a) above,
    there is no difference and really no way to tell if its being used that way
    from the outside.

    -Quick
     
  9. Quick

    Quick Guest

    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:2jbhkeFvdr9rU1@uni-berlin.de...
    >> A question that someone here may or may not be able to answer. I
    >> keep trying Verizon tech support and got many different and
    >> conflicting answers. I have a laptop with an Airprime card and an
    >> unlimited account. One of my office mates has a DSL connection, and
    >> another has a cable internet connection. Work is considering putting
    >> in a wireless network so we can share things like printers dial-up
    >> etc. The DSL people and the Cable people, both say that their
    >> connections/modems can be a shared resource on the network, yet the
    >> Verizon people say that their Airprime card/unlimited access cant be
    >> a shared resource on the network. It seems sort of silly that DSL or
    >> cable can be shared, but the Airprime card can't.


    Ummm, you're sort of mixing things and levels here.

    1) Legal or intended use.
    VZW may be saying that there Airprime card/connection is intended
    for use by a single PC/device. On the other hand, DSL and Cable are
    marketed for use by multiple users like a household. VZW *may* be
    marketing the unlimited plan as being intended for a "single user". Kind
    of like Sprint data plans? that prohibit tethered or "machine" use.

    2) Technical

    Although this is not what everybody is talking about (some may be)
    there is a difference at the IP level. The provider can allocate you
    a) a single dynamic IP address
    When you connect you get a single IP address. Actually it is the
    DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard that gets assigned an IP
    address. When you make a connection to something (remote IP
    address) this is the IP address used by the remote end to reply to.
    b) a single static IP address
    This is a "permanent" IP address assigned to your end if the link --
    again, the DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard (don't know if you
    have this option for an aircard. it's up to the provider). Every time you
    connect (or turn on your modem/aircard) you will have the same IP
    address. One would use this to allow the establishment of connections
    *to* you that were initiated from the outside. You host your web page
    locally or run a game server that others connect to, etc.
    c) multiple static IP addresses
    More than one of b) above. This is a matter of reserving those IP
    addresses
    and traffic routed to any of them will come to you. Think of it as your
    modem(s) having more than one IP address.

    With the above in mind there are many ways of "sharing" a single link that
    has a single IP address. aka Network Address Translation (NAT) and/or
    Network Address Port Translation. Something on your end of the link has
    a single IP address on the link side and can handle multiple addresses
    (different,
    usually private) on the other side/inside. It sort of acts like a
    connection proxy.

    Most of the time these different functions are combined into a single
    device.
    Router, modem, firewall, homeportal, access point, etc.

    Most often a DSL or Cable modem (except the card ones) are also
    a router and DHCP server. They handle the link layer modem part,
    network address translation, DHCP (dynamic IP assignments) for the
    inside network, and routing.

    Your Aircard probably doesn't do this. I believe it only does the modem
    part (and maybe gets its own IP address on the outside). The modem
    part in this case is making the cell call to VZW's modem and probably
    running PPP or some other authentication/encapsulation protocol.

    SO... to share this connection you would probably use something like
    Microsoft's connection sharing or someother scheme where the PC with
    the Aircard is the one with the connection and everybody on the inside
    talks through it. Connection sharing basically gives you NAT functionality
    but uses a different scheme internally.

    Bottom line is that, from the perspective of sharing, all the links you
    mentioned are the same. For the setups you are familiar with, a) above,
    there is no difference and really no way to tell if its being used that way
    from the outside.

    -Quick
     
  10. Quick

    Quick Guest

    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:2jbhkeFvdr9rU1@uni-berlin.de...
    >> A question that someone here may or may not be able to answer. I
    >> keep trying Verizon tech support and got many different and
    >> conflicting answers. I have a laptop with an Airprime card and an
    >> unlimited account. One of my office mates has a DSL connection, and
    >> another has a cable internet connection. Work is considering putting
    >> in a wireless network so we can share things like printers dial-up
    >> etc. The DSL people and the Cable people, both say that their
    >> connections/modems can be a shared resource on the network, yet the
    >> Verizon people say that their Airprime card/unlimited access cant be
    >> a shared resource on the network. It seems sort of silly that DSL or
    >> cable can be shared, but the Airprime card can't.


    Ummm, you're sort of mixing things and levels here.

    1) Legal or intended use.
    VZW may be saying that there Airprime card/connection is intended
    for use by a single PC/device. On the other hand, DSL and Cable are
    marketed for use by multiple users like a household. VZW *may* be
    marketing the unlimited plan as being intended for a "single user". Kind
    of like Sprint data plans? that prohibit tethered or "machine" use.

    2) Technical

    Although this is not what everybody is talking about (some may be)
    there is a difference at the IP level. The provider can allocate you
    a) a single dynamic IP address
    When you connect you get a single IP address. Actually it is the
    DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard that gets assigned an IP
    address. When you make a connection to something (remote IP
    address) this is the IP address used by the remote end to reply to.
    b) a single static IP address
    This is a "permanent" IP address assigned to your end if the link --
    again, the DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard (don't know if you
    have this option for an aircard. it's up to the provider). Every time you
    connect (or turn on your modem/aircard) you will have the same IP
    address. One would use this to allow the establishment of connections
    *to* you that were initiated from the outside. You host your web page
    locally or run a game server that others connect to, etc.
    c) multiple static IP addresses
    More than one of b) above. This is a matter of reserving those IP
    addresses
    and traffic routed to any of them will come to you. Think of it as your
    modem(s) having more than one IP address.

    With the above in mind there are many ways of "sharing" a single link that
    has a single IP address. aka Network Address Translation (NAT) and/or
    Network Address Port Translation. Something on your end of the link has
    a single IP address on the link side and can handle multiple addresses
    (different,
    usually private) on the other side/inside. It sort of acts like a
    connection proxy.

    Most of the time these different functions are combined into a single
    device.
    Router, modem, firewall, homeportal, access point, etc.

    Most often a DSL or Cable modem (except the card ones) are also
    a router and DHCP server. They handle the link layer modem part,
    network address translation, DHCP (dynamic IP assignments) for the
    inside network, and routing.

    Your Aircard probably doesn't do this. I believe it only does the modem
    part (and maybe gets its own IP address on the outside). The modem
    part in this case is making the cell call to VZW's modem and probably
    running PPP or some other authentication/encapsulation protocol.

    SO... to share this connection you would probably use something like
    Microsoft's connection sharing or someother scheme where the PC with
    the Aircard is the one with the connection and everybody on the inside
    talks through it. Connection sharing basically gives you NAT functionality
    but uses a different scheme internally.

    Bottom line is that, from the perspective of sharing, all the links you
    mentioned are the same. For the setups you are familiar with, a) above,
    there is no difference and really no way to tell if its being used that way
    from the outside.

    -Quick
     
  11. Quick

    Quick Guest

    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:2jbhkeFvdr9rU1@uni-berlin.de...
    >> A question that someone here may or may not be able to answer. I
    >> keep trying Verizon tech support and got many different and
    >> conflicting answers. I have a laptop with an Airprime card and an
    >> unlimited account. One of my office mates has a DSL connection, and
    >> another has a cable internet connection. Work is considering putting
    >> in a wireless network so we can share things like printers dial-up
    >> etc. The DSL people and the Cable people, both say that their
    >> connections/modems can be a shared resource on the network, yet the
    >> Verizon people say that their Airprime card/unlimited access cant be
    >> a shared resource on the network. It seems sort of silly that DSL or
    >> cable can be shared, but the Airprime card can't.


    Ummm, you're sort of mixing things and levels here.

    1) Legal or intended use.
    VZW may be saying that there Airprime card/connection is intended
    for use by a single PC/device. On the other hand, DSL and Cable are
    marketed for use by multiple users like a household. VZW *may* be
    marketing the unlimited plan as being intended for a "single user". Kind
    of like Sprint data plans? that prohibit tethered or "machine" use.

    2) Technical

    Although this is not what everybody is talking about (some may be)
    there is a difference at the IP level. The provider can allocate you
    a) a single dynamic IP address
    When you connect you get a single IP address. Actually it is the
    DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard that gets assigned an IP
    address. When you make a connection to something (remote IP
    address) this is the IP address used by the remote end to reply to.
    b) a single static IP address
    This is a "permanent" IP address assigned to your end if the link --
    again, the DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard (don't know if you
    have this option for an aircard. it's up to the provider). Every time you
    connect (or turn on your modem/aircard) you will have the same IP
    address. One would use this to allow the establishment of connections
    *to* you that were initiated from the outside. You host your web page
    locally or run a game server that others connect to, etc.
    c) multiple static IP addresses
    More than one of b) above. This is a matter of reserving those IP
    addresses
    and traffic routed to any of them will come to you. Think of it as your
    modem(s) having more than one IP address.

    With the above in mind there are many ways of "sharing" a single link that
    has a single IP address. aka Network Address Translation (NAT) and/or
    Network Address Port Translation. Something on your end of the link has
    a single IP address on the link side and can handle multiple addresses
    (different,
    usually private) on the other side/inside. It sort of acts like a
    connection proxy.

    Most of the time these different functions are combined into a single
    device.
    Router, modem, firewall, homeportal, access point, etc.

    Most often a DSL or Cable modem (except the card ones) are also
    a router and DHCP server. They handle the link layer modem part,
    network address translation, DHCP (dynamic IP assignments) for the
    inside network, and routing.

    Your Aircard probably doesn't do this. I believe it only does the modem
    part (and maybe gets its own IP address on the outside). The modem
    part in this case is making the cell call to VZW's modem and probably
    running PPP or some other authentication/encapsulation protocol.

    SO... to share this connection you would probably use something like
    Microsoft's connection sharing or someother scheme where the PC with
    the Aircard is the one with the connection and everybody on the inside
    talks through it. Connection sharing basically gives you NAT functionality
    but uses a different scheme internally.

    Bottom line is that, from the perspective of sharing, all the links you
    mentioned are the same. For the setups you are familiar with, a) above,
    there is no difference and really no way to tell if its being used that way
    from the outside.

    -Quick
     
  12. Quick

    Quick Guest

    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:2jbhkeFvdr9rU1@uni-berlin.de...
    >> A question that someone here may or may not be able to answer. I
    >> keep trying Verizon tech support and got many different and
    >> conflicting answers. I have a laptop with an Airprime card and an
    >> unlimited account. One of my office mates has a DSL connection, and
    >> another has a cable internet connection. Work is considering putting
    >> in a wireless network so we can share things like printers dial-up
    >> etc. The DSL people and the Cable people, both say that their
    >> connections/modems can be a shared resource on the network, yet the
    >> Verizon people say that their Airprime card/unlimited access cant be
    >> a shared resource on the network. It seems sort of silly that DSL or
    >> cable can be shared, but the Airprime card can't.


    Ummm, you're sort of mixing things and levels here.

    1) Legal or intended use.
    VZW may be saying that there Airprime card/connection is intended
    for use by a single PC/device. On the other hand, DSL and Cable are
    marketed for use by multiple users like a household. VZW *may* be
    marketing the unlimited plan as being intended for a "single user". Kind
    of like Sprint data plans? that prohibit tethered or "machine" use.

    2) Technical

    Although this is not what everybody is talking about (some may be)
    there is a difference at the IP level. The provider can allocate you
    a) a single dynamic IP address
    When you connect you get a single IP address. Actually it is the
    DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard that gets assigned an IP
    address. When you make a connection to something (remote IP
    address) this is the IP address used by the remote end to reply to.
    b) a single static IP address
    This is a "permanent" IP address assigned to your end if the link --
    again, the DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard (don't know if you
    have this option for an aircard. it's up to the provider). Every time you
    connect (or turn on your modem/aircard) you will have the same IP
    address. One would use this to allow the establishment of connections
    *to* you that were initiated from the outside. You host your web page
    locally or run a game server that others connect to, etc.
    c) multiple static IP addresses
    More than one of b) above. This is a matter of reserving those IP
    addresses
    and traffic routed to any of them will come to you. Think of it as your
    modem(s) having more than one IP address.

    With the above in mind there are many ways of "sharing" a single link that
    has a single IP address. aka Network Address Translation (NAT) and/or
    Network Address Port Translation. Something on your end of the link has
    a single IP address on the link side and can handle multiple addresses
    (different,
    usually private) on the other side/inside. It sort of acts like a
    connection proxy.

    Most of the time these different functions are combined into a single
    device.
    Router, modem, firewall, homeportal, access point, etc.

    Most often a DSL or Cable modem (except the card ones) are also
    a router and DHCP server. They handle the link layer modem part,
    network address translation, DHCP (dynamic IP assignments) for the
    inside network, and routing.

    Your Aircard probably doesn't do this. I believe it only does the modem
    part (and maybe gets its own IP address on the outside). The modem
    part in this case is making the cell call to VZW's modem and probably
    running PPP or some other authentication/encapsulation protocol.

    SO... to share this connection you would probably use something like
    Microsoft's connection sharing or someother scheme where the PC with
    the Aircard is the one with the connection and everybody on the inside
    talks through it. Connection sharing basically gives you NAT functionality
    but uses a different scheme internally.

    Bottom line is that, from the perspective of sharing, all the links you
    mentioned are the same. For the setups you are familiar with, a) above,
    there is no difference and really no way to tell if its being used that way
    from the outside.

    -Quick
     
  13. Quick

    Quick Guest

    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:2jbhkeFvdr9rU1@uni-berlin.de...
    >> A question that someone here may or may not be able to answer. I
    >> keep trying Verizon tech support and got many different and
    >> conflicting answers. I have a laptop with an Airprime card and an
    >> unlimited account. One of my office mates has a DSL connection, and
    >> another has a cable internet connection. Work is considering putting
    >> in a wireless network so we can share things like printers dial-up
    >> etc. The DSL people and the Cable people, both say that their
    >> connections/modems can be a shared resource on the network, yet the
    >> Verizon people say that their Airprime card/unlimited access cant be
    >> a shared resource on the network. It seems sort of silly that DSL or
    >> cable can be shared, but the Airprime card can't.


    Ummm, you're sort of mixing things and levels here.

    1) Legal or intended use.
    VZW may be saying that there Airprime card/connection is intended
    for use by a single PC/device. On the other hand, DSL and Cable are
    marketed for use by multiple users like a household. VZW *may* be
    marketing the unlimited plan as being intended for a "single user". Kind
    of like Sprint data plans? that prohibit tethered or "machine" use.

    2) Technical

    Although this is not what everybody is talking about (some may be)
    there is a difference at the IP level. The provider can allocate you
    a) a single dynamic IP address
    When you connect you get a single IP address. Actually it is the
    DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard that gets assigned an IP
    address. When you make a connection to something (remote IP
    address) this is the IP address used by the remote end to reply to.
    b) a single static IP address
    This is a "permanent" IP address assigned to your end if the link --
    again, the DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard (don't know if you
    have this option for an aircard. it's up to the provider). Every time you
    connect (or turn on your modem/aircard) you will have the same IP
    address. One would use this to allow the establishment of connections
    *to* you that were initiated from the outside. You host your web page
    locally or run a game server that others connect to, etc.
    c) multiple static IP addresses
    More than one of b) above. This is a matter of reserving those IP
    addresses
    and traffic routed to any of them will come to you. Think of it as your
    modem(s) having more than one IP address.

    With the above in mind there are many ways of "sharing" a single link that
    has a single IP address. aka Network Address Translation (NAT) and/or
    Network Address Port Translation. Something on your end of the link has
    a single IP address on the link side and can handle multiple addresses
    (different,
    usually private) on the other side/inside. It sort of acts like a
    connection proxy.

    Most of the time these different functions are combined into a single
    device.
    Router, modem, firewall, homeportal, access point, etc.

    Most often a DSL or Cable modem (except the card ones) are also
    a router and DHCP server. They handle the link layer modem part,
    network address translation, DHCP (dynamic IP assignments) for the
    inside network, and routing.

    Your Aircard probably doesn't do this. I believe it only does the modem
    part (and maybe gets its own IP address on the outside). The modem
    part in this case is making the cell call to VZW's modem and probably
    running PPP or some other authentication/encapsulation protocol.

    SO... to share this connection you would probably use something like
    Microsoft's connection sharing or someother scheme where the PC with
    the Aircard is the one with the connection and everybody on the inside
    talks through it. Connection sharing basically gives you NAT functionality
    but uses a different scheme internally.

    Bottom line is that, from the perspective of sharing, all the links you
    mentioned are the same. For the setups you are familiar with, a) above,
    there is no difference and really no way to tell if its being used that way
    from the outside.

    -Quick
     
  14. Quick

    Quick Guest

    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:2jbhkeFvdr9rU1@uni-berlin.de...
    >> A question that someone here may or may not be able to answer. I
    >> keep trying Verizon tech support and got many different and
    >> conflicting answers. I have a laptop with an Airprime card and an
    >> unlimited account. One of my office mates has a DSL connection, and
    >> another has a cable internet connection. Work is considering putting
    >> in a wireless network so we can share things like printers dial-up
    >> etc. The DSL people and the Cable people, both say that their
    >> connections/modems can be a shared resource on the network, yet the
    >> Verizon people say that their Airprime card/unlimited access cant be
    >> a shared resource on the network. It seems sort of silly that DSL or
    >> cable can be shared, but the Airprime card can't.


    Ummm, you're sort of mixing things and levels here.

    1) Legal or intended use.
    VZW may be saying that there Airprime card/connection is intended
    for use by a single PC/device. On the other hand, DSL and Cable are
    marketed for use by multiple users like a household. VZW *may* be
    marketing the unlimited plan as being intended for a "single user". Kind
    of like Sprint data plans? that prohibit tethered or "machine" use.

    2) Technical

    Although this is not what everybody is talking about (some may be)
    there is a difference at the IP level. The provider can allocate you
    a) a single dynamic IP address
    When you connect you get a single IP address. Actually it is the
    DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard that gets assigned an IP
    address. When you make a connection to something (remote IP
    address) this is the IP address used by the remote end to reply to.
    b) a single static IP address
    This is a "permanent" IP address assigned to your end if the link --
    again, the DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard (don't know if you
    have this option for an aircard. it's up to the provider). Every time you
    connect (or turn on your modem/aircard) you will have the same IP
    address. One would use this to allow the establishment of connections
    *to* you that were initiated from the outside. You host your web page
    locally or run a game server that others connect to, etc.
    c) multiple static IP addresses
    More than one of b) above. This is a matter of reserving those IP
    addresses
    and traffic routed to any of them will come to you. Think of it as your
    modem(s) having more than one IP address.

    With the above in mind there are many ways of "sharing" a single link that
    has a single IP address. aka Network Address Translation (NAT) and/or
    Network Address Port Translation. Something on your end of the link has
    a single IP address on the link side and can handle multiple addresses
    (different,
    usually private) on the other side/inside. It sort of acts like a
    connection proxy.

    Most of the time these different functions are combined into a single
    device.
    Router, modem, firewall, homeportal, access point, etc.

    Most often a DSL or Cable modem (except the card ones) are also
    a router and DHCP server. They handle the link layer modem part,
    network address translation, DHCP (dynamic IP assignments) for the
    inside network, and routing.

    Your Aircard probably doesn't do this. I believe it only does the modem
    part (and maybe gets its own IP address on the outside). The modem
    part in this case is making the cell call to VZW's modem and probably
    running PPP or some other authentication/encapsulation protocol.

    SO... to share this connection you would probably use something like
    Microsoft's connection sharing or someother scheme where the PC with
    the Aircard is the one with the connection and everybody on the inside
    talks through it. Connection sharing basically gives you NAT functionality
    but uses a different scheme internally.

    Bottom line is that, from the perspective of sharing, all the links you
    mentioned are the same. For the setups you are familiar with, a) above,
    there is no difference and really no way to tell if its being used that way
    from the outside.

    -Quick
     
  15. Quick

    Quick Guest

    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:2jbhkeFvdr9rU1@uni-berlin.de...
    >> A question that someone here may or may not be able to answer. I
    >> keep trying Verizon tech support and got many different and
    >> conflicting answers. I have a laptop with an Airprime card and an
    >> unlimited account. One of my office mates has a DSL connection, and
    >> another has a cable internet connection. Work is considering putting
    >> in a wireless network so we can share things like printers dial-up
    >> etc. The DSL people and the Cable people, both say that their
    >> connections/modems can be a shared resource on the network, yet the
    >> Verizon people say that their Airprime card/unlimited access cant be
    >> a shared resource on the network. It seems sort of silly that DSL or
    >> cable can be shared, but the Airprime card can't.


    Ummm, you're sort of mixing things and levels here.

    1) Legal or intended use.
    VZW may be saying that there Airprime card/connection is intended
    for use by a single PC/device. On the other hand, DSL and Cable are
    marketed for use by multiple users like a household. VZW *may* be
    marketing the unlimited plan as being intended for a "single user". Kind
    of like Sprint data plans? that prohibit tethered or "machine" use.

    2) Technical

    Although this is not what everybody is talking about (some may be)
    there is a difference at the IP level. The provider can allocate you
    a) a single dynamic IP address
    When you connect you get a single IP address. Actually it is the
    DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard that gets assigned an IP
    address. When you make a connection to something (remote IP
    address) this is the IP address used by the remote end to reply to.
    b) a single static IP address
    This is a "permanent" IP address assigned to your end if the link --
    again, the DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard (don't know if you
    have this option for an aircard. it's up to the provider). Every time you
    connect (or turn on your modem/aircard) you will have the same IP
    address. One would use this to allow the establishment of connections
    *to* you that were initiated from the outside. You host your web page
    locally or run a game server that others connect to, etc.
    c) multiple static IP addresses
    More than one of b) above. This is a matter of reserving those IP
    addresses
    and traffic routed to any of them will come to you. Think of it as your
    modem(s) having more than one IP address.

    With the above in mind there are many ways of "sharing" a single link that
    has a single IP address. aka Network Address Translation (NAT) and/or
    Network Address Port Translation. Something on your end of the link has
    a single IP address on the link side and can handle multiple addresses
    (different,
    usually private) on the other side/inside. It sort of acts like a
    connection proxy.

    Most of the time these different functions are combined into a single
    device.
    Router, modem, firewall, homeportal, access point, etc.

    Most often a DSL or Cable modem (except the card ones) are also
    a router and DHCP server. They handle the link layer modem part,
    network address translation, DHCP (dynamic IP assignments) for the
    inside network, and routing.

    Your Aircard probably doesn't do this. I believe it only does the modem
    part (and maybe gets its own IP address on the outside). The modem
    part in this case is making the cell call to VZW's modem and probably
    running PPP or some other authentication/encapsulation protocol.

    SO... to share this connection you would probably use something like
    Microsoft's connection sharing or someother scheme where the PC with
    the Aircard is the one with the connection and everybody on the inside
    talks through it. Connection sharing basically gives you NAT functionality
    but uses a different scheme internally.

    Bottom line is that, from the perspective of sharing, all the links you
    mentioned are the same. For the setups you are familiar with, a) above,
    there is no difference and really no way to tell if its being used that way
    from the outside.

    -Quick
     
  16. Quick

    Quick Guest

    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:2jbhkeFvdr9rU1@uni-berlin.de...
    >> A question that someone here may or may not be able to answer. I
    >> keep trying Verizon tech support and got many different and
    >> conflicting answers. I have a laptop with an Airprime card and an
    >> unlimited account. One of my office mates has a DSL connection, and
    >> another has a cable internet connection. Work is considering putting
    >> in a wireless network so we can share things like printers dial-up
    >> etc. The DSL people and the Cable people, both say that their
    >> connections/modems can be a shared resource on the network, yet the
    >> Verizon people say that their Airprime card/unlimited access cant be
    >> a shared resource on the network. It seems sort of silly that DSL or
    >> cable can be shared, but the Airprime card can't.


    Ummm, you're sort of mixing things and levels here.

    1) Legal or intended use.
    VZW may be saying that there Airprime card/connection is intended
    for use by a single PC/device. On the other hand, DSL and Cable are
    marketed for use by multiple users like a household. VZW *may* be
    marketing the unlimited plan as being intended for a "single user". Kind
    of like Sprint data plans? that prohibit tethered or "machine" use.

    2) Technical

    Although this is not what everybody is talking about (some may be)
    there is a difference at the IP level. The provider can allocate you
    a) a single dynamic IP address
    When you connect you get a single IP address. Actually it is the
    DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard that gets assigned an IP
    address. When you make a connection to something (remote IP
    address) this is the IP address used by the remote end to reply to.
    b) a single static IP address
    This is a "permanent" IP address assigned to your end if the link --
    again, the DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard (don't know if you
    have this option for an aircard. it's up to the provider). Every time you
    connect (or turn on your modem/aircard) you will have the same IP
    address. One would use this to allow the establishment of connections
    *to* you that were initiated from the outside. You host your web page
    locally or run a game server that others connect to, etc.
    c) multiple static IP addresses
    More than one of b) above. This is a matter of reserving those IP
    addresses
    and traffic routed to any of them will come to you. Think of it as your
    modem(s) having more than one IP address.

    With the above in mind there are many ways of "sharing" a single link that
    has a single IP address. aka Network Address Translation (NAT) and/or
    Network Address Port Translation. Something on your end of the link has
    a single IP address on the link side and can handle multiple addresses
    (different,
    usually private) on the other side/inside. It sort of acts like a
    connection proxy.

    Most of the time these different functions are combined into a single
    device.
    Router, modem, firewall, homeportal, access point, etc.

    Most often a DSL or Cable modem (except the card ones) are also
    a router and DHCP server. They handle the link layer modem part,
    network address translation, DHCP (dynamic IP assignments) for the
    inside network, and routing.

    Your Aircard probably doesn't do this. I believe it only does the modem
    part (and maybe gets its own IP address on the outside). The modem
    part in this case is making the cell call to VZW's modem and probably
    running PPP or some other authentication/encapsulation protocol.

    SO... to share this connection you would probably use something like
    Microsoft's connection sharing or someother scheme where the PC with
    the Aircard is the one with the connection and everybody on the inside
    talks through it. Connection sharing basically gives you NAT functionality
    but uses a different scheme internally.

    Bottom line is that, from the perspective of sharing, all the links you
    mentioned are the same. For the setups you are familiar with, a) above,
    there is no difference and really no way to tell if its being used that way
    from the outside.

    -Quick
     
  17. Quick

    Quick Guest

    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:2jbhkeFvdr9rU1@uni-berlin.de...
    >> A question that someone here may or may not be able to answer. I
    >> keep trying Verizon tech support and got many different and
    >> conflicting answers. I have a laptop with an Airprime card and an
    >> unlimited account. One of my office mates has a DSL connection, and
    >> another has a cable internet connection. Work is considering putting
    >> in a wireless network so we can share things like printers dial-up
    >> etc. The DSL people and the Cable people, both say that their
    >> connections/modems can be a shared resource on the network, yet the
    >> Verizon people say that their Airprime card/unlimited access cant be
    >> a shared resource on the network. It seems sort of silly that DSL or
    >> cable can be shared, but the Airprime card can't.


    Ummm, you're sort of mixing things and levels here.

    1) Legal or intended use.
    VZW may be saying that there Airprime card/connection is intended
    for use by a single PC/device. On the other hand, DSL and Cable are
    marketed for use by multiple users like a household. VZW *may* be
    marketing the unlimited plan as being intended for a "single user". Kind
    of like Sprint data plans? that prohibit tethered or "machine" use.

    2) Technical

    Although this is not what everybody is talking about (some may be)
    there is a difference at the IP level. The provider can allocate you
    a) a single dynamic IP address
    When you connect you get a single IP address. Actually it is the
    DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard that gets assigned an IP
    address. When you make a connection to something (remote IP
    address) this is the IP address used by the remote end to reply to.
    b) a single static IP address
    This is a "permanent" IP address assigned to your end if the link --
    again, the DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard (don't know if you
    have this option for an aircard. it's up to the provider). Every time you
    connect (or turn on your modem/aircard) you will have the same IP
    address. One would use this to allow the establishment of connections
    *to* you that were initiated from the outside. You host your web page
    locally or run a game server that others connect to, etc.
    c) multiple static IP addresses
    More than one of b) above. This is a matter of reserving those IP
    addresses
    and traffic routed to any of them will come to you. Think of it as your
    modem(s) having more than one IP address.

    With the above in mind there are many ways of "sharing" a single link that
    has a single IP address. aka Network Address Translation (NAT) and/or
    Network Address Port Translation. Something on your end of the link has
    a single IP address on the link side and can handle multiple addresses
    (different,
    usually private) on the other side/inside. It sort of acts like a
    connection proxy.

    Most of the time these different functions are combined into a single
    device.
    Router, modem, firewall, homeportal, access point, etc.

    Most often a DSL or Cable modem (except the card ones) are also
    a router and DHCP server. They handle the link layer modem part,
    network address translation, DHCP (dynamic IP assignments) for the
    inside network, and routing.

    Your Aircard probably doesn't do this. I believe it only does the modem
    part (and maybe gets its own IP address on the outside). The modem
    part in this case is making the cell call to VZW's modem and probably
    running PPP or some other authentication/encapsulation protocol.

    SO... to share this connection you would probably use something like
    Microsoft's connection sharing or someother scheme where the PC with
    the Aircard is the one with the connection and everybody on the inside
    talks through it. Connection sharing basically gives you NAT functionality
    but uses a different scheme internally.

    Bottom line is that, from the perspective of sharing, all the links you
    mentioned are the same. For the setups you are familiar with, a) above,
    there is no difference and really no way to tell if its being used that way
    from the outside.

    -Quick
     
  18. Quick

    Quick Guest

    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:2jbhkeFvdr9rU1@uni-berlin.de...
    >> A question that someone here may or may not be able to answer. I
    >> keep trying Verizon tech support and got many different and
    >> conflicting answers. I have a laptop with an Airprime card and an
    >> unlimited account. One of my office mates has a DSL connection, and
    >> another has a cable internet connection. Work is considering putting
    >> in a wireless network so we can share things like printers dial-up
    >> etc. The DSL people and the Cable people, both say that their
    >> connections/modems can be a shared resource on the network, yet the
    >> Verizon people say that their Airprime card/unlimited access cant be
    >> a shared resource on the network. It seems sort of silly that DSL or
    >> cable can be shared, but the Airprime card can't.


    Ummm, you're sort of mixing things and levels here.

    1) Legal or intended use.
    VZW may be saying that there Airprime card/connection is intended
    for use by a single PC/device. On the other hand, DSL and Cable are
    marketed for use by multiple users like a household. VZW *may* be
    marketing the unlimited plan as being intended for a "single user". Kind
    of like Sprint data plans? that prohibit tethered or "machine" use.

    2) Technical

    Although this is not what everybody is talking about (some may be)
    there is a difference at the IP level. The provider can allocate you
    a) a single dynamic IP address
    When you connect you get a single IP address. Actually it is the
    DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard that gets assigned an IP
    address. When you make a connection to something (remote IP
    address) this is the IP address used by the remote end to reply to.
    b) a single static IP address
    This is a "permanent" IP address assigned to your end if the link --
    again, the DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard (don't know if you
    have this option for an aircard. it's up to the provider). Every time you
    connect (or turn on your modem/aircard) you will have the same IP
    address. One would use this to allow the establishment of connections
    *to* you that were initiated from the outside. You host your web page
    locally or run a game server that others connect to, etc.
    c) multiple static IP addresses
    More than one of b) above. This is a matter of reserving those IP
    addresses
    and traffic routed to any of them will come to you. Think of it as your
    modem(s) having more than one IP address.

    With the above in mind there are many ways of "sharing" a single link that
    has a single IP address. aka Network Address Translation (NAT) and/or
    Network Address Port Translation. Something on your end of the link has
    a single IP address on the link side and can handle multiple addresses
    (different,
    usually private) on the other side/inside. It sort of acts like a
    connection proxy.

    Most of the time these different functions are combined into a single
    device.
    Router, modem, firewall, homeportal, access point, etc.

    Most often a DSL or Cable modem (except the card ones) are also
    a router and DHCP server. They handle the link layer modem part,
    network address translation, DHCP (dynamic IP assignments) for the
    inside network, and routing.

    Your Aircard probably doesn't do this. I believe it only does the modem
    part (and maybe gets its own IP address on the outside). The modem
    part in this case is making the cell call to VZW's modem and probably
    running PPP or some other authentication/encapsulation protocol.

    SO... to share this connection you would probably use something like
    Microsoft's connection sharing or someother scheme where the PC with
    the Aircard is the one with the connection and everybody on the inside
    talks through it. Connection sharing basically gives you NAT functionality
    but uses a different scheme internally.

    Bottom line is that, from the perspective of sharing, all the links you
    mentioned are the same. For the setups you are familiar with, a) above,
    there is no difference and really no way to tell if its being used that way
    from the outside.

    -Quick
     
  19. Quick

    Quick Guest

    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:2jbhkeFvdr9rU1@uni-berlin.de...
    >> A question that someone here may or may not be able to answer. I
    >> keep trying Verizon tech support and got many different and
    >> conflicting answers. I have a laptop with an Airprime card and an
    >> unlimited account. One of my office mates has a DSL connection, and
    >> another has a cable internet connection. Work is considering putting
    >> in a wireless network so we can share things like printers dial-up
    >> etc. The DSL people and the Cable people, both say that their
    >> connections/modems can be a shared resource on the network, yet the
    >> Verizon people say that their Airprime card/unlimited access cant be
    >> a shared resource on the network. It seems sort of silly that DSL or
    >> cable can be shared, but the Airprime card can't.


    Ummm, you're sort of mixing things and levels here.

    1) Legal or intended use.
    VZW may be saying that there Airprime card/connection is intended
    for use by a single PC/device. On the other hand, DSL and Cable are
    marketed for use by multiple users like a household. VZW *may* be
    marketing the unlimited plan as being intended for a "single user". Kind
    of like Sprint data plans? that prohibit tethered or "machine" use.

    2) Technical

    Although this is not what everybody is talking about (some may be)
    there is a difference at the IP level. The provider can allocate you
    a) a single dynamic IP address
    When you connect you get a single IP address. Actually it is the
    DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard that gets assigned an IP
    address. When you make a connection to something (remote IP
    address) this is the IP address used by the remote end to reply to.
    b) a single static IP address
    This is a "permanent" IP address assigned to your end if the link --
    again, the DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard (don't know if you
    have this option for an aircard. it's up to the provider). Every time you
    connect (or turn on your modem/aircard) you will have the same IP
    address. One would use this to allow the establishment of connections
    *to* you that were initiated from the outside. You host your web page
    locally or run a game server that others connect to, etc.
    c) multiple static IP addresses
    More than one of b) above. This is a matter of reserving those IP
    addresses
    and traffic routed to any of them will come to you. Think of it as your
    modem(s) having more than one IP address.

    With the above in mind there are many ways of "sharing" a single link that
    has a single IP address. aka Network Address Translation (NAT) and/or
    Network Address Port Translation. Something on your end of the link has
    a single IP address on the link side and can handle multiple addresses
    (different,
    usually private) on the other side/inside. It sort of acts like a
    connection proxy.

    Most of the time these different functions are combined into a single
    device.
    Router, modem, firewall, homeportal, access point, etc.

    Most often a DSL or Cable modem (except the card ones) are also
    a router and DHCP server. They handle the link layer modem part,
    network address translation, DHCP (dynamic IP assignments) for the
    inside network, and routing.

    Your Aircard probably doesn't do this. I believe it only does the modem
    part (and maybe gets its own IP address on the outside). The modem
    part in this case is making the cell call to VZW's modem and probably
    running PPP or some other authentication/encapsulation protocol.

    SO... to share this connection you would probably use something like
    Microsoft's connection sharing or someother scheme where the PC with
    the Aircard is the one with the connection and everybody on the inside
    talks through it. Connection sharing basically gives you NAT functionality
    but uses a different scheme internally.

    Bottom line is that, from the perspective of sharing, all the links you
    mentioned are the same. For the setups you are familiar with, a) above,
    there is no difference and really no way to tell if its being used that way
    from the outside.

    -Quick
     
  20. Quick

    Quick Guest

    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:2jbhkeFvdr9rU1@uni-berlin.de...
    >> A question that someone here may or may not be able to answer. I
    >> keep trying Verizon tech support and got many different and
    >> conflicting answers. I have a laptop with an Airprime card and an
    >> unlimited account. One of my office mates has a DSL connection, and
    >> another has a cable internet connection. Work is considering putting
    >> in a wireless network so we can share things like printers dial-up
    >> etc. The DSL people and the Cable people, both say that their
    >> connections/modems can be a shared resource on the network, yet the
    >> Verizon people say that their Airprime card/unlimited access cant be
    >> a shared resource on the network. It seems sort of silly that DSL or
    >> cable can be shared, but the Airprime card can't.


    Ummm, you're sort of mixing things and levels here.

    1) Legal or intended use.
    VZW may be saying that there Airprime card/connection is intended
    for use by a single PC/device. On the other hand, DSL and Cable are
    marketed for use by multiple users like a household. VZW *may* be
    marketing the unlimited plan as being intended for a "single user". Kind
    of like Sprint data plans? that prohibit tethered or "machine" use.

    2) Technical

    Although this is not what everybody is talking about (some may be)
    there is a difference at the IP level. The provider can allocate you
    a) a single dynamic IP address
    When you connect you get a single IP address. Actually it is the
    DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard that gets assigned an IP
    address. When you make a connection to something (remote IP
    address) this is the IP address used by the remote end to reply to.
    b) a single static IP address
    This is a "permanent" IP address assigned to your end if the link --
    again, the DSL modem, cable modem, or aircard (don't know if you
    have this option for an aircard. it's up to the provider). Every time you
    connect (or turn on your modem/aircard) you will have the same IP
    address. One would use this to allow the establishment of connections
    *to* you that were initiated from the outside. You host your web page
    locally or run a game server that others connect to, etc.
    c) multiple static IP addresses
    More than one of b) above. This is a matter of reserving those IP
    addresses
    and traffic routed to any of them will come to you. Think of it as your
    modem(s) having more than one IP address.

    With the above in mind there are many ways of "sharing" a single link that
    has a single IP address. aka Network Address Translation (NAT) and/or
    Network Address Port Translation. Something on your end of the link has
    a single IP address on the link side and can handle multiple addresses
    (different,
    usually private) on the other side/inside. It sort of acts like a
    connection proxy.

    Most of the time these different functions are combined into a single
    device.
    Router, modem, firewall, homeportal, access point, etc.

    Most often a DSL or Cable modem (except the card ones) are also
    a router and DHCP server. They handle the link layer modem part,
    network address translation, DHCP (dynamic IP assignments) for the
    inside network, and routing.

    Your Aircard probably doesn't do this. I believe it only does the modem
    part (and maybe gets its own IP address on the outside). The modem
    part in this case is making the cell call to VZW's modem and probably
    running PPP or some other authentication/encapsulation protocol.

    SO... to share this connection you would probably use something like
    Microsoft's connection sharing or someother scheme where the PC with
    the Aircard is the one with the connection and everybody on the inside
    talks through it. Connection sharing basically gives you NAT functionality
    but uses a different scheme internally.

    Bottom line is that, from the perspective of sharing, all the links you
    mentioned are the same. For the setups you are familiar with, a) above,
    there is no difference and really no way to tell if its being used that way
    from the outside.

    -Quick
     

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