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The adventure begins: WAS: ATTWS wants to lose my business.

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net, Mar 17, 2004.

  1. >I'm almost heart broken over this. I've always enjoyed a great
    >relationship with ATTWS and ATT. I just moved into a multi million
    >dollar home and I pay all my credit cards off at the end of the

    month,
    >but over $97.00 that is over ten years old, they'd rather I just go
    >elsewhere. What is wrong with these people?
    >
    >So what would you do?
    >
    >PS: I just attempted to fax a letter as they suggested. The fax
    >machine doesn't pick up. It appears to be a bad fax number. bye bye
    >ATTWS


    After this abysmle experiance with ATTWS, I went on a search. I am
    now in possesion of the Kyocera 7135 from Verizon I've only had it
    for an hour, but so far it's a huge leap from my V60.

    ATTWS should have never sent me looking. I would have been blissfully
    unaware. I already use a Sony Clie so there is almost no learning
    curve here as the 7135 is plam based as well and I use Eudora as an
    email client so again no learning curve.

    I have already driven to 2 spots where ATTWS signal was choppy. I
    stayed on the phone with another technogeek buddy through these areas
    and neither of us has any drop in connection or sound quality.

    I will play with this Smart phone for the next 14 days days well as
    going to T-mobile and letting them have their 14 days to WOW me.

    I will update this thread as I learn and experiance more with all
    services.

    These tests will be conducted in and around Santa Barbara, Ventura,
    Los Angeles, and Orange Counties with some trips in to San Diego and
    perhaps Mexico.
    --
    Like a game of pick up stick played by fucking lunatics
     



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  2. Mike in PA

    Mike in PA Guest

    <ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
    news:eek:tih5052nhru6fb4036mebqafdevgerouf@4ax.com...
    > >I'm almost heart broken over this. I've always enjoyed a great
    > >relationship with ATTWS and ATT. I just moved into a multi million
    > >dollar home and I pay all my credit cards off at the end of the

    > month,
    > >but over $97.00 that is over ten years old, they'd rather I just go
    > >elsewhere. What is wrong with these people?
    > >
    > >So what would you do?
    > >
    > >PS: I just attempted to fax a letter as they suggested. The fax
    > >machine doesn't pick up. It appears to be a bad fax number. bye bye
    > >ATTWS

    >
    > After this abysmle experiance with ATTWS, I went on a search. I am
    > now in possesion of the Kyocera 7135 from Verizon I've only had it
    > for an hour, but so far it's a huge leap from my V60.
    >
    > ATTWS should have never sent me looking. I would have been blissfully
    > unaware. I already use a Sony Clie so there is almost no learning
    > curve here as the 7135 is plam based as well and I use Eudora as an
    > email client so again no learning curve.
    >
    > I have already driven to 2 spots where ATTWS signal was choppy. I
    > stayed on the phone with another technogeek buddy through these areas
    > and neither of us has any drop in connection or sound quality.
    >
    > I will play with this Smart phone for the next 14 days days well as
    > going to T-mobile and letting them have their 14 days to WOW me.
    >
    > I will update this thread as I learn and experiance more with all
    > services.
    >
    > These tests will be conducted in and around Santa Barbara, Ventura,
    > Los Angeles, and Orange Counties with some trips in to San Diego and
    > perhaps Mexico.
    > --
    > Like a game of pick up stick played by fucking lunatics



    As long as your Verizon phone works in your multi-million dollar house and
    you can bill it to your AMEX GOLD REWARDS CARD. Keep us posted on that too.
     
  3. On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:47:27 -0500, "Mike in PA"
    <heritageclassic@comcast.net> wrote:

    >
    ><ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
    >news:eek:tih5052nhru6fb4036mebqafdevgerouf@4ax.com...
    >> >I'm almost heart broken over this. I've always enjoyed a great
    >> >relationship with ATTWS and ATT. I just moved into a multi

    million
    >> >dollar home and I pay all my credit cards off at the end of the

    >> month,
    >> >but over $97.00 that is over ten years old, they'd rather I just

    go
    >> >elsewhere. What is wrong with these people?
    >> >
    >> >So what would you do?
    >> >
    >> >PS: I just attempted to fax a letter as they suggested. The fax
    >> >machine doesn't pick up. It appears to be a bad fax number. bye

    bye
    >> >ATTWS

    >>
    >> After this abysmal experience with ATTWS, I went on a search. I am
    >> now in possession of the Kyocera 7135 from Verizon I've only had

    it
    >> for an hour, but so far it's a huge leap from my V60.
    >>
    >> ATTWS should have never sent me looking. I would have been

    blissfully
    >> unaware. I already use a Sony Clie so there is almost no learning
    >> curve here as the 7135 is plam based as well and I use Eudora as an
    >> email client so again no learning curve.
    >>
    >> I have already driven to 2 spots where ATTWS signal was choppy. I
    >> stayed on the phone with another technogeek buddy through these

    areas
    >> and neither of us has any drop in connection or sound quality.
    >>
    >> I will play with this Smart phone for the next 14 days days well as
    >> going to T-mobile and letting them have their 14 days to WOW me.
    >>
    >> I will update this thread as I learn and experience more with all
    >> services.
    >>
    >> These tests will be conducted in and around Santa Barbara, Ventura,
    >> Los Angeles, and Orange Counties with some trips in to San Diego

    and
    >> perhaps Mexico.
    >> --
    >> Like a game of pick up stick played by fucking lunatics

    >
    >
    >As long as your Verizon phone works in your multi-million dollar

    house and
    >you can bill it to your AMEX GOLD REWARDS CARD. Keep us posted on

    that too.
    >


    My apologies, I realize my original post did sound VERY arrogant. I
    was only trying to make the point that I'm not some dead beat who
    doesn't pay his bills. You don't get the nice things in life by not
    paying your bills. ATTWS services was making me feel like one of
    those types of people.

    Cut me some slack would ya? I didn't include the kid of car that I
    drive or the size of my penis ;)
    --
    Like a game of pick up stick played by fucking lunatics
     
  4. JB

    JB Guest

    ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net wrote:
    > On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:47:27 -0500, "Mike in PA"
    > <heritageclassic@comcast.net> wrote:
    >
    >
    >><ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
    >>news:eek:tih5052nhru6fb4036mebqafdevgerouf@4ax.com...
    >>
    >>>>I'm almost heart broken over this. I've always enjoyed a great
    >>>>relationship with ATTWS and ATT. I just moved into a multi

    >
    > million
    >
    >>>>dollar home and I pay all my credit cards off at the end of the
    >>>
    >>>month,
    >>>
    >>>>but over $97.00 that is over ten years old, they'd rather I just

    >
    > go
    >
    >>>>elsewhere. What is wrong with these people?
    >>>>
    >>>>So what would you do?
    >>>>
    >>>>PS: I just attempted to fax a letter as they suggested. The fax
    >>>>machine doesn't pick up. It appears to be a bad fax number. bye

    >
    > bye
    >
    >>>>ATTWS
    >>>
    >>>After this abysmal experience with ATTWS, I went on a search. I am
    >>>now in possession of the Kyocera 7135 from Verizon I've only had

    >
    > it
    >
    >>>for an hour, but so far it's a huge leap from my V60.
    >>>
    >>>ATTWS should have never sent me looking. I would have been

    >
    > blissfully
    >
    >>>unaware. I already use a Sony Clie so there is almost no learning
    >>>curve here as the 7135 is plam based as well and I use Eudora as an
    >>>email client so again no learning curve.
    >>>
    >>>I have already driven to 2 spots where ATTWS signal was choppy. I
    >>>stayed on the phone with another technogeek buddy through these

    >
    > areas
    >
    >>>and neither of us has any drop in connection or sound quality.
    >>>
    >>>I will play with this Smart phone for the next 14 days days well as
    >>>going to T-mobile and letting them have their 14 days to WOW me.
    >>>
    >>>I will update this thread as I learn and experience more with all
    >>>services.
    >>>
    >>>These tests will be conducted in and around Santa Barbara, Ventura,
    >>>Los Angeles, and Orange Counties with some trips in to San Diego

    >
    > and
    >
    >>>perhaps Mexico.
    >>>--
    >>>Like a game of pick up stick played by fucking lunatics

    >>
    >>
    >>As long as your Verizon phone works in your multi-million dollar

    >
    > house and
    >
    >>you can bill it to your AMEX GOLD REWARDS CARD. Keep us posted on

    >
    > that too.
    >
    >
    > My apologies, I realize my original post did sound VERY arrogant. I
    > was only trying to make the point that I'm not some dead beat who
    > doesn't pay his bills. You don't get the nice things in life by not
    > paying your bills. ATTWS services was making me feel like one of
    > those types of people.
    >
    > Cut me some slack would ya? I didn't include the kid of car that I
    > drive or the size of my penis ;)


    Hmmmm ... Multi-million dollar home and you are bitching about a $97.00
    bill???? are you f-ing nuts??? Just overcharge one of your customers a
    few minutes and make up the difference...(rolls eyes)

    BTW, you probably have a 2 inch penis to make up for the new, expensive
    home.....LOL

    Plonk you go... LOL...
     
  5. Frank

    Frank Guest

    > Hmmmm ... Multi-million dollar home and you are
    > bitching about a $97.00 bill???? are you f-ing
    > nuts???


    He didn't say the home was his. Only that he lived in it :)

    -Frank
     
  6. On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:07:44 -0700, "Frank"
    <Frank@REMOVEALLCAPSitcreek.com> wrote:

    >> Hmmmm ... Multi-million dollar home and you are
    >> bitching about a $97.00 bill???? are you f-ing
    >> nuts???

    >
    >He didn't say the home was his. Only that he lived in it :)
    >
    >-Frank
    >


    Tough group. It would appear that the same problem at ATTWS persists
    here in this group. No one seems to understand principle. Why should
    I pay a bill that isn't mine? If I allow this to go unchallenged,
    what happens to the guy who makes 50K a year and $97 is significant to
    him.

    What some people here propose is that I just pay the money even though
    I DON'T owe it. How many of you here make a habit of paying for
    things you didn't buy?
    --
    Like a game of pick up stick played by fucking lunatics
     
  7. After playing with the Verizon Kyocera 7135 for the afternoon, I
    stopped in at T mobile.

    After seeing the 7135 I was almost going to buy pass testing the T
    mobile phone because this Verizon phone was just about all I wanted in
    a phone and the customer service in L.A. was a little bit better then
    the other store I'd stopped in. Still the gentleman I dealt with the
    night before at TMobile was VERY professional and polite so I felt
    like I should give it a go.

    I again met with the man who answered my questions the night before.
    I showed him the phone Verizon suggested and told him I felt the bar
    had been raised. He still suggested I try the Motorola V300. The
    V300 is not a smart phone, but does have a camera (not a requirement)
    and it does have the ability to send and receive email, although on a
    much smaller screen. Having a V60 from ATTWS already, I found the
    V300 pretty easy to navigate. They are very similar.

    I had checked the Verizon phone in a few areas yesterday where ATTWS
    would usually drop calls. The Verizon phone did not. Solid
    performance.

    The Tmobile V300 took my through the same route this AM with the same
    results. No dropped calls and strong clear signal through a number of
    areas where ATTWS would break up or drop completely. At one point I
    attempted to make a call to my office from both the V300 TMo and the
    V60t from ATTWs. The V300 connected clear and strong while the V60t
    could not complete the call. I picked an area where ATTWS had given
    me trouble before so I wasn't too surprised.

    So as it stands on day 2:

    ATTWS signal issues persist, but are no deal breakers at this point.
    I'm used to it. Customer service is where the business will be saved
    or lost. My past loyalty to ATTWS still nags at me. My current plan
    is the best dollars to dollars among the three.

    Verizon Kyocera smart phone weighs in heavy for me. I really like
    it, although I've already had one "fatal error", but I didn't have any
    info stored yet so thus far it's a non issue. We'll see if it
    continues. Customer service at store level leaves something to be
    desired. It has a DMV atmosphere that I'm not keen on. Plan is pretty
    straight forward and OK dollar wise. The Phone takes some getting
    used to as far as size goes. Think ear piece.

    TMobile The V300 phone is a bit nicer then the V60 and yet familiar
    so the learning curve is minimal. So far signal is strong and sound
    quality good. I must admit that my main affinity for Tmobile is the
    people who work in the retail store. The level of customer service is
    head and shoulder above Verizon and ATTWS. I'm also interested in the
    Tmobile hot spots so there is an additional cost savings there as
    well. I'm not so excited about the way TMobile has a separate fee for
    just about any feature they offer. I'm still looking into this.
    --
    Like a game of pick up stick played by fucking lunatics
     
  8. Quick

    Quick Guest

    <ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net> wrote
    > <Frank@REMOVEALLCAPSitcreek.com> wrote:
    >
    > >> Hmmmm ... Multi-million dollar home and you are
    > >> bitching about a $97.00 bill???? are you f-ing
    > >> nuts???

    > >
    > >He didn't say the home was his. Only that he lived in it :)
    > >
    > >-Frank
    > >

    >
    > Tough group. It would appear that the same problem at ATTWS persists
    > here in this group. No one seems to understand principle. Why should
    > I pay a bill that isn't mine? If I allow this to go unchallenged,
    > what happens to the guy who makes 50K a year and $97 is significant to
    > him.


    If its a matter of principle why don't you deal with it (not pay it, resolve
    it)?

    -Quick
    >
    > What some people here propose is that I just pay the money even though
    > I DON'T owe it. How many of you here make a habit of paying for
    > things you didn't buy?
    > --
    > Like a game of pick up stick played by fucking lunatics
     
  9. Quick

    Quick Guest

    <ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net> wrote
    > After playing with the Verizon Kyocera 7135 for the afternoon, I
    > stopped in at T mobile.


    The 7135 is way the best (IMHO) PDA phone out there. Of course
    if you're not a palm user...

    See the 7135 forum on pdaphonehome.com.

    > After seeing the 7135 I was almost going to buy pass testing the T
    > mobile phone because this Verizon phone was just about all I wanted in
    > a phone and the customer service in L.A. was a little bit better then
    > the other store I'd stopped in. Still the gentleman I dealt with the
    > night before at TMobile was VERY professional and polite so I felt
    > like I should give it a go.


    TMobile is GSM right? poor building penetration and don't leave
    the city.

    > Verizon Kyocera smart phone weighs in heavy for me. I really like
    > it, although I've already had one "fatal error", but I didn't have any
    > info stored yet so thus far it's a non issue. We'll see if it


    This does happen to some. Some software doesn't play well with
    others -- unless it was a defective phone I've only heard of this with
    3rd party apps loaded on it. BackupBuddyVFS using the SD card
    will have you fully recovered from a hard reset in less than 5 minutes.

    > continues. Customer service at store level leaves something to be
    > desired. It has a DMV atmosphere that I'm not keen on. Plan is pretty
    > straight forward and OK dollar wise. The Phone takes some getting
    > used to as far as size goes. Think ear piece.


    Its not the customer service at the store you are likely to be dealing
    with after the sale. Its the customer service at *611 that you should
    be comparing. Overall I think VZW's is great. never dealt with TMobile.

    -Quick
     
  10. On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:56:50 -0800, "Quick" <dhorwitz@NOSPAMcisco.com>
    wrote:

    >
    ><ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net> wrote
    >> <Frank@REMOVEALLCAPSitcreek.com> wrote:
    >>
    >> >> Hmmmm ... Multi-million dollar home and you are
    >> >> bitching about a $97.00 bill???? are you f-ing
    >> >> nuts???
    >> >
    >> >He didn't say the home was his. Only that he lived in it :)
    >> >
    >> >-Frank
    >> >

    >>
    >> Tough group. It would appear that the same problem at ATTWS

    persists
    >> here in this group. No one seems to understand principle. Why

    should
    >> I pay a bill that isn't mine? If I allow this to go unchallenged,
    >> what happens to the guy who makes 50K a year and $97 is significant

    to
    >> him.

    >
    >If its a matter of principle why don't you deal with it (not pay it,

    resolve
    >it)?
    >
    >-Quick


    I am. I've written the letter despite my anger at having to do so,
    but at the same time I'm going to look at the competition. While I've
    always been happy with ATTWS before, I'm seeing new things that I
    would not have noticed had they not upset me. In the end, if ATTWS
    does take care of the problem, AND I don't fall in love with one of
    these other services and or phones, I may stay.

    I guess what strikes me as odd is that so many here seem to prefer to
    attack me instead of recognizing that ATTWS has failed at customer
    service. Quick, what you are telling me is that while I do have other
    options, I should work harder and continue to reward a company who, in
    my opinion, has not served me well on this issue.

    I wrote my original post in anger and was obviously over the top
    arrogant, but that does not negate this issue.

    In the end I will report my findings in the hope that something can be
    learned from all this by the average Joe. Obviously the fanboys and
    short sighted loyalists will continue to flame me.


    >>
    >> What some people here propose is that I just pay the money even

    though
    >> I DON'T owe it. How many of you here make a habit of paying for
    >> things you didn't buy?
    >> --
    >> Like a game of pick up stick played by fucking lunatics

    >


    --
    Like a game of pick up stick played by fucking lunatics
     
  11. On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:09:19 -0800, "Quick" <dhorwitz@NOSPAMcisco.com>
    wrote:

    >
    ><ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net> wrote
    >> After playing with the Verizon Kyocera 7135 for the afternoon, I
    >> stopped in at T mobile.

    >
    >The 7135 is way the best (IMHO) PDA phone out there. Of course
    >if you're not a palm user...


    As luck would have it, I have a Sony Clie. I never used it much
    simply because it was more then I wanted to carry around. No that I
    can have two tools in one, I find it a lot more useful.

    >
    >See the 7135 forum on pdaphonehome.com.


    Thanks for the heads up.
    >
    >> After seeing the 7135 I was almost going to buy pass testing the T
    >> mobile phone because this Verizon phone was just about all I wanted

    in
    >> a phone and the customer service in L.A. was a little bit better

    then
    >> the other store I'd stopped in. Still the gentleman I dealt with

    the
    >> night before at TMobile was VERY professional and polite so I felt
    >> like I should give it a go.

    >
    >TMobile is GSM right? poor building penetration and don't leave
    >the city.


    Ah, now that is the kind of info I was looking for. I will make sure
    to put it through it's paces in various buildings I frequent.

    >
    >> Verizon Kyocera smart phone weighs in heavy for me. I really like
    >> it, although I've already had one "fatal error", but I didn't have

    any
    >> info stored yet so thus far it's a non issue. We'll see if it

    >
    >This does happen to some. Some software doesn't play well with
    >others -- unless it was a defective phone I've only heard of this

    with
    >3rd party apps loaded on it. BackupBuddyVFS using the SD card
    >will have you fully recovered from a hard reset in less than 5

    minutes.

    The only thing I had done was to try to store one number in the
    address book supplied on the phone. I'll keep after it though.


    >> continues. Customer service at store level leaves something to be
    >> desired. It has a DMV atmosphere that I'm not keen on. Plan is

    pretty
    >> straight forward and OK dollar wise. The Phone takes some getting
    >> used to as far as size goes. Think ear piece.

    >
    >Its not the customer service at the store you are likely to be

    dealing
    >with after the sale. Its the customer service at *611 that you should
    >be comparing. Overall I think VZW's is great. never dealt with

    TMobile.
    >
    >-Quick
    >


    --
    Like a game of pick up stick played by fucking lunatics
     
  12. Rod

    Rod Guest

    ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net wrote:
    :: On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:09:19 -0800, "Quick"
    :: <dhorwitz@NOSPAMcisco.com> wrote:
    :::: After seeing the 7135 I was almost going to buy pass testing the T
    :::: mobile phone because this Verizon phone was just about all I
    :::: wanted in a phone and the customer service in L.A. was a little
    :::: bit better then the other store I'd stopped in. Still the
    :::: gentleman I dealt with the night before at TMobile was VERY
    :::: professional and polite so I felt like I should give it a go.
    :::
    ::: TMobile is GSM right? poor building penetration and don't leave
    ::: the city.
    ::
    :: Ah, now that is the kind of info I was looking for. I will make sure
    :: to put it through it's paces in various buildings I frequent.

    Also T-Mobile in your area runs on the Cingular network.
     

  13. >Also T-Mobile in your area runs on the Cingular network.


    What impact would/should this have on my final decision?

    --
    Like a game of pick up stick played by fucking lunatics
     
  14. Robert M.

    Robert M. Guest

    In article <d8uj501a3oqkigfsdprmscqus1g6os39qe@4ax.com>,
    ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net wrote:

    > As luck would have it, I have a Sony Clie. I never used it much
    > simply because it was more then I wanted to carry around. No that I
    > can have two tools in one, I find it a lot more useful.


    Recent Clie's are great with their 320 x 320 resolution, far better than
    the 160 x 160 of a Treo 600.
     
  15. Robert M.

    Robert M. Guest

    In article <e6tj50ppiio7jbol4q37ig6etjlk0bdn55@4ax.com>,
    ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net wrote:

    > I wrote my original post in anger and was obviously over the top
    > arrogant, but that does not negate this issue.


    Many of these newsgroups consists of boosters of their respective
    cellular carrier, and they in turn go over the top if any dares post
    something they deem as negative and counter to the cheer leading they
    want to be the exclusive domain of this newsgroup.

    If AT&TWS has wronged you it is entriely appropriate you take them
    public.
     
  16. In alt.cellular.verizon ScorpionKing@attnospam.net wrote:

    > My apologies, I realize my original post did sound VERY arrogant. I
    > was only trying to make the point that I'm not some dead beat who
    > doesn't pay his bills. You don't get the nice things in life by not
    > paying your bills. ATTWS services was making me feel like one of
    > those types of people.
    >
    > Cut me some slack would ya? I didn't include the kid of car that I
    > drive or the size of my penis ;)


    You might as well have. While I have been informed that ATTWS does in fact
    have some of the most inflexible credit policies in the entire universe, I'm
    not convinced that *one* black mark on your record will bring your score down
    far enough for them to deny credit. Dude, they gave my little brother credit
    and he's a total schlep. :) (I know he's probably lurking and is going to
    chime in with some smartass remark, but my point was that he doesn't have
    *spotless* credit and a multi-million dollar net worth.)

    If you're not trolling... well, the chances you aren't trolling are miniscule,
    but I'll say it anyhow... if you're not trolling, grab copies of your credit
    reports from all three bureaus. They MUST give you the reports free of charge
    if you've been declined credit within the last 30 days. It's the law.
    Check the reports. You may be a victim of identity theft or have more stuff on
    your record than you thought.

    That having been said, I personally think you're a liar.

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  17. In alt.cellular.verizon ScorpionKing@attnospam.net wrote:

    > Tough group. It would appear that the same problem at ATTWS persists
    > here in this group. No one seems to understand principle. Why should
    > I pay a bill that isn't mine? If I allow this to go unchallenged,
    > what happens to the guy who makes 50K a year and $97 is significant to
    > him.


    You idiot... if it wasn't a legitimate bill, you don't let it *sit*,
    you *fight* it. If it's sat *unpaid* for this long, yes, it might have an
    impact.

    Now go away, please.

    > What some people here propose is that I just pay the money even though
    > I DON'T owe it. How many of you here make a habit of paying for
    > things you didn't buy?


    I'm not. I'm proposing that you get a clue. Of course, the fact that you
    are crossposting this into the Verizon newsgroup indicates that you are
    clue-resistant.

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  18. In alt.cellular.verizon ScorpionKing@attnospam.net wrote:

    > I guess what strikes me as odd is that so many here seem to prefer to
    > attack me instead of recognizing that ATTWS has failed at customer
    > service.


    > Quick, what you are telling me is that while I do have other
    > options, I should work harder and continue to reward a company who, in
    > my opinion, has not served me well on this issue.


    No. What he's telling you is that that black mark is going to sit on your
    credit for seven years -- if they sued and won a judgment, ten. It is not just
    AT&T that declines credit based on stuff like that. What part of "you screwed
    yourself, and it has nothing to do with AT&T" are you failing to understand?

    It DOESN'T have anything to do with AT&T. Sorry.

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  19. On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:55:53 -0600, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

    >In alt.cellular.verizon ScorpionKing@attnospam.net wrote:
    >
    >> My apologies, I realize my original post did sound VERY arrogant.

    I
    >> was only trying to make the point that I'm not some dead beat who
    >> doesn't pay his bills. You don't get the nice things in life by

    not
    >> paying your bills. ATTWS services was making me feel like one of
    >> those types of people.
    >>
    >> Cut me some slack would ya? I didn't include the kid of car that I
    >> drive or the size of my penis ;)

    >
    >You might as well have. While I have been informed that ATTWS does in

    fact
    >have some of the most inflexible credit policies in the entire

    universe, I'm
    >not convinced that *one* black mark on your record will bring your

    score down
    >far enough for them to deny credit. Dude, they gave my little brother

    credit
    >and he's a total schlep. :) (I know he's probably lurking and is

    going to
    >chime in with some smartass remark, but my point was that he doesn't

    have
    >*spotless* credit and a multi-million dollar net worth.)
    >
    >If you're not trolling... well, the chances you aren't trolling are

    miniscule,
    >but I'll say it anyhow... if you're not trolling, grab copies of your

    credit
    >reports from all three bureaus. They MUST give you the reports free

    of charge
    >if you've been declined credit within the last 30 days. It's the law.
    >Check the reports. You may be a victim of identity theft or have more

    stuff on
    >your record than you thought.


    I have done this on numerous occasions. In checking my credit I found
    I can sign up for services from at least two of the major three where
    they will notify you of any change in your credit or when new
    information is posted. I get a copy of my credit reports every
    quarter. There isn't now, nor has there ever been anything from ATTWS
    services.

    >
    >That having been said, I personally think you're a liar.


    You are entitled to your opinion.



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  20. In alt.cellular.verizon ScorpionKing@attnospam.net wrote:

    > I have done this on numerous occasions. In checking my credit I found
    > I can sign up for services from at least two of the major three where
    > they will notify you of any change in your credit or when new
    > information is posted. I get a copy of my credit reports every
    > quarter. There isn't now, nor has there ever been anything from ATTWS
    > services.


    OK, you've got me interested now.

    So what are they basing the denial of credit on, if they didn't do a
    credit check?

    I didn't require a credit check with Verizon in September of 2000. At the
    time, Verizon in Ohio had a policy that if you walked in with a credit card
    with at least $100 of credit available on it, they'd deem that good enough
    to open a regular postpay account. (Sprint did run a credit check, though.)

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