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The start of my small little cellular phone web site.

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by N9WOS, Oct 23, 2003.

  1. N9WOS

    N9WOS Guest

    It has a mirror of XFF's maps which he was kind enough
    to allow me to do.

    And it has a fresh new specifications list with just a few phones on it.
    As the list says, just email me with any specs you have on hand or want
    added..
    (Or post it in a reply to this post.) :)

    Do you have any idea's for the list?
    I am thinking about another list for what I call extended features.
    Like number memories, color screens, and data capabilities.

    I will add more to the list as I find information about other
    phones on the web or via other methods.

    http://n9wos.home.att.net/cell/cell.html
     



    › See More: The start of my small little cellular phone web site.
  2. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    Oh, NO! Not another one!

    On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:43:44 GMT, "N9WOS"
    <n9wos@nobug.worldnet.att.net> wrote:

    >It has a mirror of XFF's maps which he was kind enough
    >to allow me to do.
    >
    >And it has a fresh new specifications list with just a few phones on it.
    >As the list says, just email me with any specs you have on hand or want
    >added..
    >(Or post it in a reply to this post.) :)
    >
    >Do you have any idea's for the list?
    >I am thinking about another list for what I call extended features.
    >Like number memories, color screens, and data capabilities.
    >
    >I will add more to the list as I find information about other
    >phones on the web or via other methods.
    >
    >http://n9wos.home.att.net/cell/cell.html
    >
    >



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
     
  3. N9WOS

    N9WOS Guest

    > Oh, NO! Not another one!

    All the fish in the sea, but it would be so empty without me. :)
     
  4. In alt.cellular N9WOS <n9wos@nobug.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
    >> Oh, NO! Not another one!

    >
    > All the fish in the sea, but it would be so empty without me. :)


    Are you on the rag and ovulating? :p


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    Steve Sobol, Proprietor
    888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net
     
  5. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:53:47 -0500, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

    >In alt.cellular N9WOS <n9wos@nobug.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
    >>> Oh, NO! Not another one!

    >>
    >> All the fish in the sea, but it would be so empty without me. :)

    >
    >Are you on the rag and ovulating? :p
    >

    Both at once?!

    Geez.....no WONDER she got pregnant!



    Larry W4CSC

    "Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"
     
  6. In alt.cellular Larry W4CSC <nospam@home.com> wrote:

    >>> All the fish in the sea, but it would be so empty without me. :)

    >>
    >>Are you on the rag and ovulating? :p
    >>

    > Both at once?!
    >
    > Geez.....no WONDER she got pregnant!


    Old-fart warning. :) N9WOS quoted a recent hit single from Eminem
    (the "so empty without me" line). The "on the rag" line is another line
    from the same song.

    You're older than dirt, so I don't expect you to catch the cultural reference.
    Unless you're an Eminem fan, of course. ;)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Proprietor
    888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net
     
  7. N9WOS

    N9WOS Guest

    > I will add more to the list as I find information about other
    > phones on the web or via other methods.
    >
    > http://n9wos.home.att.net/cell/cell.html


    I have gotten a moderate number of motorola phones on the list right now.
    (plus or minus(mostly minus) a few specifications.)
    I think I will split the list into separate list based on producers.
    And possibly even by normal mode of operation.

    If I don't, the list will get to freaking big!

    I will add all the valid models to the list that I can find.
    (Irrelevant of any lack of information about the model.)

    I think I'll go to bed now..... all those squares have fried my brain!
    [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
    [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
     
  8. Steve Vai

    Steve Vai Guest

    On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:22:01 -0500, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

    >In alt.cellular Larry W4CSC <nospam@home.com> wrote:
    >
    >>>> All the fish in the sea, but it would be so empty without me. :)
    >>>
    >>>Are you on the rag and ovulating? :p
    >>>

    >> Both at once?!
    >>
    >> Geez.....no WONDER she got pregnant!

    >
    >Old-fart warning. :) N9WOS quoted a recent hit single from Eminem
    >(the "so empty without me" line). The "on the rag" line is another line
    >from the same song.
    >
    >You're older than dirt, so I don't expect you to catch the cultural reference.
    >Unless you're an Eminem fan, of course. ;)


    i'm just old enough to drink and eminem fucking sucks.
    it is indeed sad that eminem is the epitome of modern american
    culture...sheep.
     
  9. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:45:28 -0700, Steve Vai <fuckoff@you.com> wrote:

    >
    >i'm just old enough to drink and eminem fucking sucks.
    >it is indeed sad that eminem is the epitome of modern american
    >culture...sheep.


    I agree.....

    Rap is to Music what Etch-A-Sketch is to Art



    Larry W4CSC

    "Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"
     
  10. N9WOS

    N9WOS Guest

    > > I will add more to the list as I find information about other
    > > phones on the web or via other methods.
    > >
    > > http://n9wos.home.att.net/cell/cell.html

    >
    > I have gotten a moderate number of motorola phones on the list right now.
    > (plus or minus(mostly minus) a few specifications.)
    > I think I will split the list into separate list based on producers.
    > And possibly even by normal mode of operation.


    And I continue trudging on.
    I have switched to separate list.
    I have the old list of the phones I own.

    I have a Motorola list I put up.
    I have rearranged it so there is a line for
    data capabilities and one to indicate the
    number of NAMs the phone supports.
    Now I have to work on populating the
    list completely.
    And, if possible, determine the values to put in the squares. :p
     
  11. Steve Vai

    Steve Vai Guest

    On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 02:50:25 GMT, nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote:

    >On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:45:28 -0700, Steve Vai <fuckoff@you.com> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>i'm just old enough to drink and eminem fucking sucks.
    >>it is indeed sad that eminem is the epitome of modern american
    >>culture...sheep.

    >
    >I agree.....
    >
    >Rap is to Music what Etch-A-Sketch is to Art
    >


    BWAHAHAHAHA i have never read something that was so true and so funny
    at the same time...you kill me.
     
  12. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:56:45 -0800, Steve Vai <fuckoff@you.com> wrote:

    >>I agree.....
    >>
    >>Rap is to Music what Etch-A-Sketch is to Art
    >>

    >
    >BWAHAHAHAHA i have never read something that was so true and so funny
    >at the same time...you kill me.


    "Music" creation ended when producers found out they could make a
    noise with a computer and could find millions of idiots who couldn't
    tell the difference.

    To produce a song in many of the new "formats" costs less than the 8
    cents it costs to produce and label a CD in a cheap jewel case.....

    I'm not NEARLY as funny as the guy who says he can tell a rap song has
    been compressed in MP3 format....(c;

    I have an old friend who is chief engineer of a big rock station.
    He's past retirement age, but loves his big transmitter, even though
    it doesn't have any tubes in it, any more. He claims that any
    distortion added to the audio chain between the crap on the disk and
    the transmitter only enhances audience experience and increases the
    stations already high ratings.....

    Case in point was when the station took a lightning hit which wiped
    out the STL transmitter in the city, the Studio Transmitter Link
    microwave. A hastily-made telephone connection was made to an old
    phone line hard-wired "radio loop" to the transmitter they used to use
    all the time. They had no line amp to use at the transmitter, so he
    borrowed his kid's old stereo phonograph and fed the phone line audio
    into the phono cartridge wires by laying the disassembled record
    player on its back on the transmitter room floor. External speaker
    jacks were connected to the transmitter's audio input and the level
    was hastily adjusted until it was "clost 'nuf", a level known only to
    senior broadcast engineers. It ran that way for almost 6 months
    before the STL equipment got back from the manufacturer. Noone
    listening to the noise from the network techno/house/rap/noise feed
    seemed to notice....(c;

    Ratings even went up!





    Larry W4CSC

    "Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"
     
  13. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:25:07 GMT, nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) posted
    in alt.cellular.motorola:

    >Case in point was when the station took a lightning hit which wiped
    >out the STL transmitter in the city, the Studio Transmitter Link
    >microwave. A hastily-made telephone connection was made to an old
    >phone line hard-wired "radio loop" to the transmitter they used to use
    >all the time. They had no line amp to use at the transmitter, so he
    >borrowed his kid's old stereo phonograph and fed the phone line audio
    >into the phono cartridge wires by laying the disassembled record
    >player on its back on the transmitter room floor. External speaker
    >jacks were connected to the transmitter's audio input and the level
    >was hastily adjusted until it was "clost 'nuf", a level known only to
    >senior broadcast engineers. It ran that way for almost 6 months
    >before the STL equipment got back from the manufacturer. Noone
    >listening to the noise from the network techno/house/rap/noise feed
    >seemed to notice....(c;


    We used to use Level Devils and companders. We could have saved a lot
    of money.
    --
    Al - rukbat at optonline dot net
     
  14. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:30:27 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> wrote:

    >
    >We used to use Level Devils and companders. We could have saved a lot
    >of money.
    >--
    >Al - rukbat at optonline dot net


    As long as the kiddies are allowed to play with the knobs in what's
    left of the studios, there will always be a need for a compander at
    the transmitter to adjust the levels for them...(c;

    Of course, the transmitter is now digitized and refuses to
    overmodulate, in any event, but we still let them think overmodulation
    will "get out further", like always....

    A 50KW AM station is amazingly efficient, now. Take a look:
    http://hawkins.pair.com/radio.html
    The best look at the 50KW Harris AM transmitter is on:
    http://hawkins.pair.com/wabcnow.shtml#digmodsect

    It ain't your grandpa's 50KW monster any more....


    Larry W4CSC

    "Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"
     
  15. Steve Vai

    Steve Vai Guest

    On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:21:00 GMT, nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote:

    >On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:30:27 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>We used to use Level Devils and companders. We could have saved a lot
    >>of money.
    >>--
    >>Al - rukbat at optonline dot net

    >
    >As long as the kiddies are allowed to play with the knobs in what's
    >left of the studios, there will always be a need for a compander at
    >the transmitter to adjust the levels for them...(c;
    >
    >Of course, the transmitter is now digitized and refuses to
    >overmodulate, in any event, but we still let them think overmodulation
    >will "get out further", like always....
    >
    >A 50KW AM station is amazingly efficient, now. Take a look:
    >http://hawkins.pair.com/radio.html
    >The best look at the 50KW Harris AM transmitter is on:
    >http://hawkins.pair.com/wabcnow.shtml#digmodsect
    >
    >It ain't your grandpa's 50KW monster any more....


    hey larry, u seem to know a lot about radio/transmission etc... maybe
    i'm tripping but to me a song played over the radio actually sounds
    BETTER than the cd. thats if the station is 100% clear. i'm not sure
    why but it sorta sounds bigger, or has more highs and sounds fukller
    or something...someone told me its because the engineers at the
    station mix the levels before its broadcast, but i dunno....people say
    im high the cd sounds better etc but not to me.
     
  16. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    Don't know what your station's transmitter is, but what you're hearing
    is what the guitar players have known for years. Distortion is not
    all bad. That's why guitar players prefer TUBE amplifiers, as do
    Hammond organ players. The fuller, "rounder" sound comes about
    because of the bandpass curve of interstage and output transformers
    and filters throughout the system.

    I assume you're listening to FM, but even FM has several limits. RIAA
    equalization, the response curve put into the music before it's
    recorded, is designed to taylor the music to fit on a standard stereo
    FM transmitter. FM's audio passband is from 50 to 15000 Hz. It's not
    DC to daylight. The FM transmitter's modulation spectrum looks like
    this for stereo FM


    50Hz....................15Khz 19Khz 23Khz..........53Khz 60-70Khz
    Left+Right mono audio Pilot L minus R audio Musak NBFM
    Tone

    To get left and right audio, there's a receiver inside the receiver,
    tuned to 38 Khz after the FM detector. This receiver is actually AM.
    There's very little noise, anyway. The output from this subcarrier
    receiver is Left MINUS right audio. Right is backwards phase (180
    degrees) from the Right audio on the main mono channel.

    if we feed both the output of the subcarrier receiver to the main
    audio, the right channel audio cancels out and we're left with Left
    Channel audio. If we INVERT the phase of the subcarrier audio and add
    it to the main audio, the LEFT channel cancels out and we get right
    audio. There, now you have the Left and Right we started with. This
    was invented before "digital" anything....strictly analog in nature.
    It's still very ingenious and very simple to build receivers for.
    But, as you can see, there are no "highs" above the 15 Khz limit, no
    matter what the audiofool hype. 99.9% of the music is well below this
    limit. It sounds great. The 50 Hz lower limit is caused by the limit
    of using phase modulators on old transmitters and that POS consumer
    receiver with the coupling capacitors between stages. It was agreed
    to be the lower limit, probably before you were born. FM has other
    maladies that are overcome by putting a slope in the modulation audio
    curve at the transmitter, but before you hear it, we pass it through a
    backwards slope after the detector to flatten it back out and reduce
    the hissing noise on your end, similar to what was done to tape. It's
    called "pre-emphasis" at the transmitter and "de-emphasis" at the
    receiver.

    The CDs aren't restricted to these limits, on new music. Old
    recordings may be enhanced, but old recordings were still RIAA
    equalization standardized for FM transmission (50-15000 Hz). Hype and
    imagination hasn't changed that.

    It's all about getting your music played on the air so it will SELL at
    the record shops.....the only reason to record the music in the first
    place....M-O-N-E-Y.





    On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:56:33 -0800, Steve Vai <fuckoff@you.com> wrote:

    >On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:21:00 GMT, nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote:
    >
    >>On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:30:27 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>>We used to use Level Devils and companders. We could have saved a lot
    >>>of money.
    >>>--
    >>>Al - rukbat at optonline dot net

    >>
    >>As long as the kiddies are allowed to play with the knobs in what's
    >>left of the studios, there will always be a need for a compander at
    >>the transmitter to adjust the levels for them...(c;
    >>
    >>Of course, the transmitter is now digitized and refuses to
    >>overmodulate, in any event, but we still let them think overmodulation
    >>will "get out further", like always....
    >>
    >>A 50KW AM station is amazingly efficient, now. Take a look:
    >>http://hawkins.pair.com/radio.html
    >>The best look at the 50KW Harris AM transmitter is on:
    >>http://hawkins.pair.com/wabcnow.shtml#digmodsect
    >>
    >>It ain't your grandpa's 50KW monster any more....

    >
    >hey larry, u seem to know a lot about radio/transmission etc... maybe
    >i'm tripping but to me a song played over the radio actually sounds
    >BETTER than the cd. thats if the station is 100% clear. i'm not sure
    >why but it sorta sounds bigger, or has more highs and sounds fukller
    >or something...someone told me its because the engineers at the
    >station mix the levels before its broadcast, but i dunno....people say
    >im high the cd sounds better etc but not to me.



    Larry W4CSC

    "Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"
     
  17. Steve Vai

    Steve Vai Guest

    On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:55:24 GMT, nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote:

    >Don't know what your station's transmitter is, but what you're hearing
    >is what the guitar players have known for years. Distortion is not
    >all bad. That's why guitar players prefer TUBE amplifiers, as do
    >Hammond organ players. The fuller, "rounder" sound comes about
    >because of the bandpass curve of interstage and output transformers
    >and filters throughout the system.
    >
    >I assume you're listening to FM, but even FM has several limits. RIAA
    >equalization, the response curve put into the music before it's
    >recorded, is designed to taylor the music to fit on a standard stereo
    >FM transmitter. FM's audio passband is from 50 to 15000 Hz. It's not
    >DC to daylight. The FM transmitter's modulation spectrum looks like
    >this for stereo FM
    >
    >
    >50Hz....................15Khz 19Khz 23Khz..........53Khz 60-70Khz
    >Left+Right mono audio Pilot L minus R audio Musak NBFM
    > Tone
    >
    >To get left and right audio, there's a receiver inside the receiver,
    >tuned to 38 Khz after the FM detector. This receiver is actually AM.
    >There's very little noise, anyway. The output from this subcarrier
    >receiver is Left MINUS right audio. Right is backwards phase (180
    >degrees) from the Right audio on the main mono channel.
    >
    >if we feed both the output of the subcarrier receiver to the main
    >audio, the right channel audio cancels out and we're left with Left
    >Channel audio. If we INVERT the phase of the subcarrier audio and add
    >it to the main audio, the LEFT channel cancels out and we get right
    >audio. There, now you have the Left and Right we started with. This
    >was invented before "digital" anything....strictly analog in nature.
    >It's still very ingenious and very simple to build receivers for.
    >But, as you can see, there are no "highs" above the 15 Khz limit, no
    >matter what the audiofool hype. 99.9% of the music is well below this
    >limit. It sounds great. The 50 Hz lower limit is caused by the limit
    >of using phase modulators on old transmitters and that POS consumer
    >receiver with the coupling capacitors between stages. It was agreed
    >to be the lower limit, probably before you were born. FM has other
    >maladies that are overcome by putting a slope in the modulation audio
    >curve at the transmitter, but before you hear it, we pass it through a
    >backwards slope after the detector to flatten it back out and reduce
    >the hissing noise on your end, similar to what was done to tape. It's
    >called "pre-emphasis" at the transmitter and "de-emphasis" at the
    >receiver.
    >
    >The CDs aren't restricted to these limits, on new music. Old
    >recordings may be enhanced, but old recordings were still RIAA
    >equalization standardized for FM transmission (50-15000 Hz). Hype and
    >imagination hasn't changed that.


    dude....u just confused the hell out of me LOL.

    the stations i listen to are mostly classic rock, but even the newer
    stuff (90's) by ac/dc and others still sounds better than the cd.

    so whats the meat & potatos on this? am i just nuts and i think it
    sounds better? like the people that say coke/beer tastes better from a
    bottle than it does from a can?
     
  18. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:36:38 -0800, Steve Vai <not@here.com> wrote:

    >
    >so whats the meat & potatos on this? am i just nuts and i think it
    >sounds better? like the people that say coke/beer tastes better from a
    >bottle than it does from a can?


    It sounds better because of its RESTRICTED audio bandwidth. It's
    smoother, just like a guitar played through an old Fender tube amp.
    The limited audio bandwidth of a tube amp has been enhancing the sound
    of musical instruments since they were invented. Demand for tube amps
    is still very strong. Even Hammond still builds tube amps for their
    original Leslie speaker boxes for that original Hammond sound, even
    though the sound is now synthesized. Pass it through tube amps and
    their audio transformers and it sounds original...(c;



    Larry W4CSC

    "Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"
     
  19. Steve Vai

    Steve Vai Guest

    On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:54:30 GMT, nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote:

    >On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:36:38 -0800, Steve Vai <not@here.com> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>so whats the meat & potatos on this? am i just nuts and i think it
    >>sounds better? like the people that say coke/beer tastes better from a
    >>bottle than it does from a can?

    >
    >It sounds better because of its RESTRICTED audio bandwidth. It's
    >smoother, just like a guitar played through an old Fender tube amp.
    >The limited audio bandwidth of a tube amp has been enhancing the sound
    >of musical instruments since they were invented. Demand for tube amps
    >is still very strong. Even Hammond still builds tube amps for their
    >original Leslie speaker boxes for that original Hammond sound, even
    >though the sound is now synthesized. Pass it through tube amps and
    >their audio transformers and it sounds original...(c;



    ahhh, interesting....
     
  20. "Larry W4CSC" <nospam@home.com> wrote in message
    news:3fa8eeb2.62873235@news.knology.net...
    <snipped some good crap here>

    : 50Hz....................15Khz 19Khz 23Khz..........53Khz 60-70Khz
    : Left+Right mono audio Pilot L minus R audio Musak NBFM
    : Tone
    :
    : To get left and right audio, there's a receiver inside the receiver,
    : tuned to 38 Khz after the FM detector. This receiver is actually AM.
    : There's very little noise, anyway. The output from this subcarrier
    : receiver is Left MINUS right audio. Right is backwards phase (180
    : degrees) from the Right audio on the main mono channel.
    :
    : if we feed both the output of the subcarrier receiver to the main
    : audio, the right channel audio cancels out and we're left with Left
    : Channel audio. If we INVERT the phase of the subcarrier audio and add
    : it to the main audio, the LEFT channel cancels out and we get right
    : audio. There, now you have the Left and Right we started with. This
    : was invented before "digital" anything....strictly analog in nature.

    larry:
    Do we all pass Elements 1,2 and 9 for understanding that?
    (I think that is what I had to pass to get on college radio in the 70's)
    I remember the 19kHz and the addition/subraction to get left and right...
     

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