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Two phone numbers, different carriers, same phone?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Richard, Apr 15, 2004.

  1. Quick

    Quick Guest

    "Richard" <r@r.com> wrote
    >
    > I would call forward my Canadian cellular number (NAM1 of the
    > same physical phone) to the Verizon number allowing me to not miss
    > any calls (THE most important feature I wanted). If I do miss a call
    > (phone not on, not in service area, or busy), then any calls including
    > those forwarded from Canada would go into Verizon voice mail such that
    > I wouldn't have to call my Canadian number to retrieve voicemails.


    errr, ummm, careful here. You should check with the canadian service
    or experiment. I don't know exactly how the call forwarding behaves.
    I suppose it could be any of the following:

    (keep in mind that, in general, calls go to VM after a certain number
    of rings. Actually it's usually not strictly the number of rings but a
    fixed amount of time. Rings can be played locally and independently
    on both ends of a connection. For example the person in Europe
    hears the European ring tone while you hear the US ring tone in the
    US. Also saves having to set up the voice path until the called party
    picks up.

    1) If call forwarding is enabled then local VM is disabled.
    2) Call forwarding is enabled, but if the number it's forwarded
    to doesn't pick up it goes to local VM.
    2a) It could make a difference on the "go to VM" settings. If
    the local number is set to go to VM after 4 rings but the number
    it's forwarded to is set to go to VM after 6 rings you might always
    go to the local VM.

    It would be best if you have the option to disable local VM when you
    enable call forwarding.

    I'm sure someone has had experience with this?

    -Quick
     



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  2. Dr.wireMORE

    Dr.wireMORE Guest

    Richard: my startac experience with dual-nams east/west coast was pre-sms
    (text messaging), and even pre-OTA. Hence no email or web browsing. The Dr.

    "Richard" <r@r.com> wrote in message
    news:eek:94880th5259qhbbrj4705eqkcko5m6io4@4ax.com...
    > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 11:36:30 GMT, "Dr.wireMORE"
    > <Dr.wireMORE@VZW-MidWESTma.com> wrote:
    >
    > >The dr offers: Yes. This is exactly why some phones have dual-nam
    > >capability. Absolutely standard what you are asking to do.
    > >
    > >Setup nam1 with the carrier of your choice, setup nam 2 with the carrier

    of
    > >your choice. We've assumed that the phone technology is compatible with
    > >each provider, and also your comfortable that the namX that you've

    selected
    > >will ring your phone, and the namX that isn't active will go unanswered.
    > >
    > >I've done this many times, and with StarTAC's. Before there were

    national
    > >contracts, I'd have a local number on the west coast, and another local
    > >number on the east coast. And depending on where I was, I'd setup one

    phone
    > >number to call forward, and the other I'd pick up. It was very confusing

    at
    > >times, and most phones have this dual nam capability.

    >
    > Hey dr, did you notice all services that require software were okay
    > between the two carriers with that StarTAC, esp. with web services
    > such as SMS, email and browsing? Isn't programming done only once by
    > the first carrrier...or if am I mistaken about that, is the software
    > provided by the manufacturer?
     
  3. Richard

    Richard Guest

    On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:45:08 -0700, "Quick" <dhorwitz@NOSPAMcisco.com>
    wrote:

    >errr, ummm, careful here. You should check with the canadian service

    ...
    >1) If call forwarding is enabled then local VM is disabled.

    ....
    >go to the local VM.


    >It would be best if you have the option to disable local VM when you
    >enable call forwarding.


    Thanks for the great advice. I will disable VM with the Canadian
    carrier but ensure CF is enabled without any "timeout" reactions just
    before I head to the US or soon after. That way, my Verizon number
    keeps ringing and ringing. If unanswered, all calls including the ones
    CF'ed from Canada will funnel into the Verizon VM...perfect.
     
  4. David L

    David L Guest

    Richard <r@r.com> wrote in message news:<u2bu70t0ki69ga4lhf5jmb3bbpldqgh9e6@4ax.com>...
    > I have service with a Canadian carrier. I am often in the US. At such
    > times, I would like to use Verizon prepaid which I evaluated will be
    > much more cost effective than hefty roaming charges. Verizon, as you
    > probably know, have no issues with activating foreign ESNs. The
    > StarTAC 7868W phone I have is compatible with both carriers for the
    > basic if not all functions.
    >
    > Is it possible to have 2 unique numbers on the same phone with
    > *different* carriers?
    >
    >


    Although I appreciate the already tested dual NAM and call forward
    solution...

    Just to complicate things...isn't there a US roaming plan offered so
    you can keep 1 phone and 1 number? I believe Verizon offers a Canadian
    inclusive roaming plan for a flat monthly fee. Doesn't your Canadian
    carrier offer the reverse, no roaming US plan? I suppose you want to
    a US number for US callers though.

    There are some 800# that can be programmed to allow calling from
    canada as well as the US.

    There's also some calling services (Names escape me) that offer
    programable follow me 800# service. IIRC the caller dials an 800# and
    then the service forwards the call to any number the user selects.
    Sorry for the vague details, since I haven't used this service, just
    suggesting a possible solution that doesn't rely upon the
    handset/cellular system as the central switching point.

    FWIW A friend in the telecom business just told me about bigzoo.com
    offering something like 1.9 cents per minute to canada, using a local
    access number, otherwise it's 3.9.


    -----
    David
     
  5. David L

    David L Guest

    Richard <r@r.com> wrote in message news:<u2bu70t0ki69ga4lhf5jmb3bbpldqgh9e6@4ax.com>...
    > I have service with a Canadian carrier. I am often in the US. At such
    > times, I would like to use Verizon prepaid which I evaluated will be
    > much more cost effective than hefty roaming charges. Verizon, as you
    > probably know, have no issues with activating foreign ESNs. The
    > StarTAC 7868W phone I have is compatible with both carriers for the
    > basic if not all functions.
    >
    > Is it possible to have 2 unique numbers on the same phone with
    > *different* carriers?
    >
    >


    Although I appreciate the already tested dual NAM and call forward
    solution...

    Just to complicate things...isn't there a US roaming plan offered so
    you can keep 1 phone and 1 number? I believe Verizon offers a Canadian
    inclusive roaming plan for a flat monthly fee. Doesn't your Canadian
    carrier offer the reverse, no roaming US plan? I suppose you want to
    a US number for US callers though.

    There are some 800# that can be programmed to allow calling from
    canada as well as the US.

    There's also some calling services (Names escape me) that offer
    programable follow me 800# service. IIRC the caller dials an 800# and
    then the service forwards the call to any number the user selects.
    Sorry for the vague details, since I haven't used this service, just
    suggesting a possible solution that doesn't rely upon the
    handset/cellular system as the central switching point.

    FWIW A friend in the telecom business just told me about bigzoo.com
    offering something like 1.9 cents per minute to canada, using a local
    access number, otherwise it's 3.9.


    -----
    David
     
  6. In alt.cellular.verizon David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:

    > Just to complicate things...isn't there a US roaming plan offered so
    > you can keep 1 phone and 1 number? I believe Verizon offers a Canadian
    > inclusive roaming plan for a flat monthly fee. Doesn't your Canadian
    > carrier offer the reverse, no roaming US plan? I suppose you want to
    > a US number for US callers though.


    North America's Choice is US+Mexico+Canada. There may still be a $10/month or
    $20/month Canada calling option on National Single-Rate, too.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    Domain Names, $9.95/yr, 24x7 service: http://DomainNames.JustThe.net/
    "someone once called me a sofa, but i didn't feel compelled to rush out and buy
    slip covers." -adam brower * Hiroshima '45, Chernobyl '86, Windows 98/2000/2003
     
  7. In alt.cellular.verizon David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:

    > Just to complicate things...isn't there a US roaming plan offered so
    > you can keep 1 phone and 1 number? I believe Verizon offers a Canadian
    > inclusive roaming plan for a flat monthly fee. Doesn't your Canadian
    > carrier offer the reverse, no roaming US plan? I suppose you want to
    > a US number for US callers though.


    North America's Choice is US+Mexico+Canada. There may still be a $10/month or
    $20/month Canada calling option on National Single-Rate, too.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    Domain Names, $9.95/yr, 24x7 service: http://DomainNames.JustThe.net/
    "someone once called me a sofa, but i didn't feel compelled to rush out and buy
    slip covers." -adam brower * Hiroshima '45, Chernobyl '86, Windows 98/2000/2003
     
  8. In alt.cellular.verizon David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:

    > Just to complicate things...isn't there a US roaming plan offered so
    > you can keep 1 phone and 1 number? I believe Verizon offers a Canadian
    > inclusive roaming plan for a flat monthly fee. Doesn't your Canadian
    > carrier offer the reverse, no roaming US plan? I suppose you want to
    > a US number for US callers though.


    North America's Choice is US+Mexico+Canada. There may still be a $10/month or
    $20/month Canada calling option on National Single-Rate, too.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    Domain Names, $9.95/yr, 24x7 service: http://DomainNames.JustThe.net/
    "someone once called me a sofa, but i didn't feel compelled to rush out and buy
    slip covers." -adam brower * Hiroshima '45, Chernobyl '86, Windows 98/2000/2003
     
  9. In alt.cellular.verizon David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:

    > Just to complicate things...isn't there a US roaming plan offered so
    > you can keep 1 phone and 1 number? I believe Verizon offers a Canadian
    > inclusive roaming plan for a flat monthly fee. Doesn't your Canadian
    > carrier offer the reverse, no roaming US plan? I suppose you want to
    > a US number for US callers though.


    North America's Choice is US+Mexico+Canada. There may still be a $10/month or
    $20/month Canada calling option on National Single-Rate, too.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    Domain Names, $9.95/yr, 24x7 service: http://DomainNames.JustThe.net/
    "someone once called me a sofa, but i didn't feel compelled to rush out and buy
    slip covers." -adam brower * Hiroshima '45, Chernobyl '86, Windows 98/2000/2003
     
  10. Richard

    Richard Guest

    On 20 Apr 2004 10:42:40 -0700, davidlind@my-deja.com (David L) wrote:

    >inclusive roaming plan for a flat monthly fee. Doesn't your Canadian
    >carrier offer the reverse, no roaming US plan? I suppose you want to
    >a US number for US callers though.


    3/4 major carriers in Canada charge more than $1/min to receive, an
    extra to send. They make lots and lots on international roaming to
    offer better alternatives. Of what no roaming US plans exist, they are
    unappealing. Bell Mobility for example has a "Digital North America"
    plan, non roaming og and ic calls, but rates are $80 CAD/mo with
    surcharges and taxes factored in for only 200 minutes, $120 CAD fo 400
    minutes, etc. I may be in the US frequently but that doesn't jusfity
    these prices.

    A US number would help for my American contacts. especailly if it was
    a local one for them. So if I get Bell's Digital North America plan,
    it would be okay for og calls notwithstanding the extremely high per
    minute rate.

    The "follow me" 800 number idea of yours is interesting and has many
    possibilities. For example, it makes it easy for all my contacts
    whereever they are or where I am in Canada and US to call me by having
    one number that is toll free (for them). The 800 number fee would
    replace the LD charges for CF-ing to my Verizon number. It only
    remains to be seen if the cost-benefit ratio is in favour of this 800
    service. Let us know if you recall the names of such services.

    >There are some 800# that can be programmed to allow calling from
    >canada as well as the US.
    >
    >There's also some calling services (Names escape me) that offer
    >programable follow me 800# service. IIRC the caller dials an 800# and
    >then the service forwards the call to any number the user selects.
    >Sorry for the vague details, since I haven't used this service, just
    >suggesting a possible solution that doesn't rely upon the
    >handset/cellular system as the central switching point.
    >
    >FWIW A friend in the telecom business just told me about bigzoo.com
    >offering something like 1.9 cents per minute to canada, using a local
    >access number, otherwise it's 3.9.
     
  11. Richard

    Richard Guest

    On 20 Apr 2004 10:42:40 -0700, davidlind@my-deja.com (David L) wrote:

    >inclusive roaming plan for a flat monthly fee. Doesn't your Canadian
    >carrier offer the reverse, no roaming US plan? I suppose you want to
    >a US number for US callers though.


    3/4 major carriers in Canada charge more than $1/min to receive, an
    extra to send. They make lots and lots on international roaming to
    offer better alternatives. Of what no roaming US plans exist, they are
    unappealing. Bell Mobility for example has a "Digital North America"
    plan, non roaming og and ic calls, but rates are $80 CAD/mo with
    surcharges and taxes factored in for only 200 minutes, $120 CAD fo 400
    minutes, etc. I may be in the US frequently but that doesn't jusfity
    these prices.

    A US number would help for my American contacts. especailly if it was
    a local one for them. So if I get Bell's Digital North America plan,
    it would be okay for og calls notwithstanding the extremely high per
    minute rate.

    The "follow me" 800 number idea of yours is interesting and has many
    possibilities. For example, it makes it easy for all my contacts
    whereever they are or where I am in Canada and US to call me by having
    one number that is toll free (for them). The 800 number fee would
    replace the LD charges for CF-ing to my Verizon number. It only
    remains to be seen if the cost-benefit ratio is in favour of this 800
    service. Let us know if you recall the names of such services.

    >There are some 800# that can be programmed to allow calling from
    >canada as well as the US.
    >
    >There's also some calling services (Names escape me) that offer
    >programable follow me 800# service. IIRC the caller dials an 800# and
    >then the service forwards the call to any number the user selects.
    >Sorry for the vague details, since I haven't used this service, just
    >suggesting a possible solution that doesn't rely upon the
    >handset/cellular system as the central switching point.
    >
    >FWIW A friend in the telecom business just told me about bigzoo.com
    >offering something like 1.9 cents per minute to canada, using a local
    >access number, otherwise it's 3.9.
     
  12. Richard

    Richard Guest

    On 20 Apr 2004 10:42:40 -0700, davidlind@my-deja.com (David L) wrote:

    >inclusive roaming plan for a flat monthly fee. Doesn't your Canadian
    >carrier offer the reverse, no roaming US plan? I suppose you want to
    >a US number for US callers though.


    3/4 major carriers in Canada charge more than $1/min to receive, an
    extra to send. They make lots and lots on international roaming to
    offer better alternatives. Of what no roaming US plans exist, they are
    unappealing. Bell Mobility for example has a "Digital North America"
    plan, non roaming og and ic calls, but rates are $80 CAD/mo with
    surcharges and taxes factored in for only 200 minutes, $120 CAD fo 400
    minutes, etc. I may be in the US frequently but that doesn't jusfity
    these prices.

    A US number would help for my American contacts. especailly if it was
    a local one for them. So if I get Bell's Digital North America plan,
    it would be okay for og calls notwithstanding the extremely high per
    minute rate.

    The "follow me" 800 number idea of yours is interesting and has many
    possibilities. For example, it makes it easy for all my contacts
    whereever they are or where I am in Canada and US to call me by having
    one number that is toll free (for them). The 800 number fee would
    replace the LD charges for CF-ing to my Verizon number. It only
    remains to be seen if the cost-benefit ratio is in favour of this 800
    service. Let us know if you recall the names of such services.

    >There are some 800# that can be programmed to allow calling from
    >canada as well as the US.
    >
    >There's also some calling services (Names escape me) that offer
    >programable follow me 800# service. IIRC the caller dials an 800# and
    >then the service forwards the call to any number the user selects.
    >Sorry for the vague details, since I haven't used this service, just
    >suggesting a possible solution that doesn't rely upon the
    >handset/cellular system as the central switching point.
    >
    >FWIW A friend in the telecom business just told me about bigzoo.com
    >offering something like 1.9 cents per minute to canada, using a local
    >access number, otherwise it's 3.9.
     

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