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Verizon Branded Nokia 6256i Full BlueTooth + Mac X!

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by David L, Nov 18, 2005.

  1. David L

    David L Guest

    I got a Nokia 6256i flip phone. Analog capable. Am able to use
    Bluetooth to up and download pictures wallpaper MP3's. Requires getting
    a larger Muli-Media card however.

    Nokia has free PC suite, but since I use a Mac, which Nokia does not
    support, have found some $30 shareware that works with most BT
    features. Mac 10.3x also has some native BT support with Vcards and the
    addres book.

    Phonedirector does not document 6256i usage, but it does work for the
    most part. Address, Calender, Notes, radio, gallery, images, photos and
    MP3s have basic functioanality.
    There are no WAP bookmarks for instance,but neither does the phone. I
    mostly used it to enter my address book.
    Bluetooth MP3 uploads are very slow. I could only get small MP3s in,
    think that's because I have no extra MMC card and probably not enough
    room. Dual voltage cards are required. There may be a 600mb limit to
    what the phone can read, but that's a rumour until confirmed.

    http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/23570

    http://www.macmedia.sk/index.htm
    Has some detailed info on connecting and formating MM cards.

    If someone wants to try out Phonemanager sw(Nokia Cable connection sw)
    that would be cool, but it may not work or damage the phone...

    And there is NO WAY to download your own ringtones! You MUST buy them
    from Verizon, except the phone is so new, there are only some East
    Indian ringtones:(

    The Nokia 6256i is only just trickling into independants. It may or may
    not be carried by the corporate stores. Could be the first of the year,
    but that's just a rumour. Some have bought them at Best Buy. They are
    on Radio Shacks website but not in the stores yet. Other Cellcos like
    Alltel and Metro PCS have them.

    Free WAP 2.0 works, but there are security errors when trying to sign
    in to Yahoo, for example.
    The phone has analog and there are aftermarket external antenna
    adapters available.
    Can force analog and IS-95. Can set to Digital Only
    It has an FM Radio, but a headset is required to act as an antenna.
    25 voice dial locations, and 5 "voice commands"
    500 address book with 5 numbers each includes, address, notes, and
    email.
    Camera is OK. Has a flash.
    Pictures and wallpapers can be up/downloaded over Bluetooth to a
    computer for free.

    See NokiaUSA for a 6256i detailed tutorial and User Guide.
    Phonescoop.com has many user reviews for similar "sister" model 6255i
    carried by other Cellcos.
    Check out Howardforums.com Verizon phone forums for more tricks,
    programming, WAP etc. info!
     



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  2. David L

    David L Guest

    For anyone who wants to know more, make a contribution of some
    knowledge, or has purchased one and wants to find out what it will do,
    here are some Links for VZW Nokia 6256i and similar model Nokia 6255i

    NokiaUSA 6256i Support Page

    http://www.nokiausa.com/support/phones/main/1,2836,6256i,00.html

    Phonescoop Nokia 6256/6255 info reviews

    http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=515

    VZW/Nokia Phone Forum Also check Alltel Nokia 6255, Metro PCS forums

    http://www.howardforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=298

    BT Nokia Clip on Headset ebay

    http://cgi.ebay.com/NOKIA-6682-6670...ryZ20371QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    MMC card Ebay (not sure if phone can read even 1GB info)

    http://www.topram.com/6255i/

    Phonedirector for Mac 10.3 Bluetooth (undocumented)

    http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/23570

    http://www.macmedia.sk/index.htm

    -
    dave
     
  3. David L

    David L Guest

    Free WAP Settings for 6256i

    wap.yahoo.com for the homepage gateway cured all the security errors.
    Trying to sign into yahoo from wap.google.com didn't work.

    Yahoo has a dedicated mobile set up, sign in page.

    http://www.publicproxyservers.com/index.html

    *3001#12345#
    Enter IP address and Port from public proxy list above, in phones IP
    Address location under "Server Address"

    Use this code to enter a gateway.


    *#BROWSER#

    http://mobile.yahoo.com

    wap.yahoo.com

    or wap.google.com

    Many of these addresses can be copied and pasted into a text message
    and then sent to the cell phone. Use the option "use web link" to go to
    that web page.
    The addresses can be stored in text "sent" or "archived" folders, for
    later recall, by choosing "use web link" after they are selected.

    The Nokia 6255i has a more MP3 player menu functions, than the Verizon
    6256i..

    http://www.nokiausa.com/support/phones/guides/1,7840,6256i,00.html

    Page 57 shows all kinds of extra Media MP3 controls that don't show up
    on the 6256i.

    http://nds2.nokia.com/files/support/nam/phones/guides/6255i_US_en.PDF
     
  4. Rich Pierson

    Rich Pierson Guest

    "David L" <davlindi@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1132419326.757005.92240
    @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

    > Free WAP Settings for 6256i
    >
    > wap.yahoo.com for the homepage gateway cured all the security errors.
    > Trying to sign into yahoo from wap.google.com didn't work.
    >
    > Yahoo has a dedicated mobile set up, sign in page.
    >
    > http://www.publicproxyservers.com/index.html
    >
    > *3001#12345#
    > Enter IP address and Port from public proxy list above, in phones IP
    > Address location under "Server Address"
    >
    > Use this code to enter a gateway.
    >
    >
    > *#BROWSER#
    >
    > http://mobile.yahoo.com
    >
    > wap.yahoo.com
    >
    > or wap.google.com
    >
    > Many of these addresses can be copied and pasted into a text message
    > and then sent to the cell phone. Use the option "use web link" to go to
    > that web page.
    > The addresses can be stored in text "sent" or "archived" folders, for
    > later recall, by choosing "use web link" after they are selected.
    >
    > The Nokia 6255i has a more MP3 player menu functions, than the Verizon
    > 6256i..
    >
    > http://www.nokiausa.com/support/phones/guides/1,7840,6256i,00.html
    >
    > Page 57 shows all kinds of extra Media MP3 controls that don't show up
    > on the 6256i.
    >
    > http://nds2.nokia.com/files/support/nam/phones/guides/6255i_US_en.PDF
    >
    >


    Why not just figure out the seem edits and turn the BT on all the way
    like nokia makes it BEFORE verizon disables it with their $charge$
    services...
    Imagine buying a GE microwave oven from sears and then having to pay
    sears everytime you wanted to use say the timer delay function on it.
    sheesh..
     
  5. David L

    David L Guest

    Sounds good, I hope someone is working on figuring out the Nokia seem
    edits


    Here's the RF Signal Test

    PHONES USED

    1. Nokia 6256i (New VZW Branded SW V N110V1100.nep
    26-08-05
    RM-19)
    2. Nokia 3585i, Walmart Wonder phone(Alltel prepaid)
    3.Audiovox 9500

    Nokia 6256i GRADES....

    Digital call holding A
    Digital call initaition A- (with antenna UP, comparible to Nokia
    3585i, which gets an A+.)
    Digital calls B with antenna down.
    Analog calls C or C- compared to my Audiovox 9500 which is a A-
    (w/antennaUp)

    TEST LOCATION

    Used a favorite fringe test area today for a bunch of calls.
    Unactivated phones used 611 to place a test call. The testing location
    is a place I have hiked, Geocached and tested many phones, for many
    years. SPCS, Verizon digital and analog as well as ATT TDMA and analog
    are available, but just barely. Site is located at the bottom of a
    canyon.


    Call holding test while driving. Worst reading, that is lowest signal
    level and highest phone power output reading, was 104RX TX +20 and the
    call was not dropped! Amazing digital call holding!

    SInce I was calling a phone machine, I got to listen later to the call
    quality, or dropouts, as I called out the numbers from the Network
    monitor debug screen. Sounded quite tinny and digitized, but I was
    using the speaker phone with the phone on the dashboard in a holder
    upright with antenna extended. Phone machine also has a poor vocoder
    and makes calls sound worse.
    Pretty amazing to hold a conversation at 101RX 16TX, but the words cut
    out for a bit, but the call was not dropped. Average recorded readings
    on the drive down the road were 95RX 14TX.

    I couldn't even make a digital test call with the Audiovox 9500 from
    the test location. Analog is excellent (for a modern AGPS digital
    phone) on the 9500.

    The Nokia 3585i (Walmart wonder) gets an A+ in RF digital, but only
    with the antenna down. The antenna up caused calls to drop. I've always
    suspected the antenna was a dummy. Evidenced from call tests and taking
    the antenna apart. No metal to metal RF connectivity I could find. Did
    some continuity tests with the parts and nada. The Nokia 3585 also gets
    a C- in analog.
    The Nokia 3585i is able to use SPCS and is not limited by VZW PRLs it
    semed to have more choice of networks. I also noticed it could hold
    calls when I turned in a complete circle, while standing in an extreme
    fringe area. Call quality was not as effected by my head stopping the
    signal as the Nokia 6256i. Think this means the 3585i patch
    antenna/receiver was able to use signal reflections a little better.

    Then I turned the volume up on the 6256i and that seemed to make it
    better, for some reason. All the previous calls on the 3585i were made
    at a high volume level, and the 6256i low volume. Not sure why, but
    call quality or perceived call quality seemed to improve after
    increasing volume?

    The good news is the Nokia 6256i has a external antenna adapter, unlike
    the Walmart Wonder phone, so an external antenna should be albe to be
    used to boost both the poor Analog signal to good RF with good
    external antenna as well as the Digital to something extraordinary...I
    _assume_, since the ext adapter has been ordered and there have been no
    RF tests done yet. Check ebay or wilson for external connectors.
    Unlike the 3585i which had NO external antenna port. Just noticed the
    bottom ports are the same for both Nokias. Wonder if the 6256i adapter
    will fit the 3585i?. Almost positive the bottom port is used to plug in
    the external antenna connector, since the other port, below the
    antenna, is not very robust and is unlike the usual Nokia antenna port.
    Think it's just a test port in both the Nokias.

    The only thing that would be better is if the phone still had a Sprint
    PCS inclusive PRL, but we lost those Aug 1st 2005:( The Nokia 3585i had
    excellent PCS RF performance and I assume the 5256i is similar, but
    can't test it.

    The Nokia 6256i digital 800mhz performance is very good. An external
    antenna would be a good accessory, if one is using the 6256i in analog
    coverage areas frequently.
    Although the analog is only mediocre, in areas with good analog
    coverage, the phone should still be useful.
    I'll be testing the external adapter next.
     
  6. > And there is NO WAY to download your own ringtones! You MUST buy them
    > from Verizon, except the phone is so new, there are only some East
    > Indian ringtones :(


    Um... you can trivially upload any .mid and .mp3 files over OBEX, put
    them in
    your ringtones folder, and set them to your ringtone. Works like a
    charm.


    Okay, now on to my own OS X + Nokia 6256i report!
    [drum roll please]

    My LG TM510 gave up the ghost last week after a six year existence, and
    it was
    time for me to catch up with the real world. I have a Mac, am a coder,
    and
    generally wanted a phone which had a decent if simple, syncable
    calendar/address/notepad/etc., ideally via bluetooth, a speakerphone,
    analog,
    and the ability to upload and download files of various sorts, Java, a
    bluetooth modem, and a reasonably smallish package. And, sadly, I
    needed
    Verizon given my coverage.

    What I did NOT need was a camera, mp3 player or radio, EVDO [or the big
    honking screen that comes with it -- why DOES Verizon think people want
    pay-per-view on their cell phones anyway?] or internet minibrowser.
    I've not
    used SMS much so that's not a huge draw for me at the moment, but it
    potentially could be in the future I suppose.

    This boils down to exactly two phones: the Motorola e815 and the Nokia
    6256i,
    which I only discovered later on by surfing the web online. Certainly
    Verizon
    has done whatever it can to hide the fact that it offers the 6256i.
    Both
    phones presently cost the same amount ($100 with 2-year plan) and I
    have no
    illusions about the build quality of the e815, it's quite impressive.
    But
    it's a much taller phone than the Nokia, doesn't provide analog, and
    has
    broken bluetooth [and I'd rather not be hacking my phone via a data
    cable if
    possible]. I didn't need the e815's primary feature: EVDO and the mega
    screen.
    And for such a nice screen, the e815 has an awful camera. Still, nice
    phone.

    The 6256i's bluetooth is happily nonbroken (though I've not tested the
    DUN
    modem yet). But for an OS X user there's a gotcha: iSync doesn't work
    with
    this phone. It's a "Series 40" or 40+ Nokia phone, and iSync only
    works with
    Series 60. Why does Apple hate me? Dunno.

    This problem is easily solved with a $30 piece of software avaialble
    online
    called PhoneDirector. I've been reporting bugs in PhoneDirector to its
    author
    who's been rapidly and impressively squishing them. The program in
    general is
    quite compatable with the phone, though it's not listed as such. The
    big
    problem is that PhoneDirector thinks the 6256i has zero memory
    available and
    so won't upload arbitrary files to it -- but of course you can
    trivially do
    that with Bluetooth Object Exchange on the Mac, so it's a nonissue.

    Still, it'd be nice to see iSync running.

    The other gotcha: Verizon has broken uploading Java on the phone. It
    appears
    that you cannot upload a .jar file to the phone via bluetooth etc. --
    well,
    you can, but it'll be ignored. All Java apps must be downloaded via
    Verizon's
    Get It Now service. The menu item normally reserved for Java apps
    ("Extras")
    has been screwed around with so that it only shows three hard-coded
    apps. As
    a Java coder, I'd dearly like to know how to unlock the Java upload
    facility.
    A seem, anyone?

    The phone has a great many nice features, some of which I'd never use,
    but you
    can research that elsewhere. I'll stick with the annoyances with the
    phone,
    none significant:

    - I suspect my phone may be producing a positive voltage during
    talking. It
    has felt like it, but I cannot reproduce the problem with my
    multimeter, so it
    may be just me being overly suspicious.

    - The clock is poorly done on the front screen: very small, given that
    the
    front screen is fair sized. It'd also be nice to figure out how to get
    rid of
    the "verizon wireless" on the front screen.

    - Nokia has stupidly put the standoffs (which separate the screen from
    the
    body when closed) on the SPEAKER rather than on the body. It's hard to
    use
    the phone without scratching your ear with them. Idiotic. I mean,
    REALLY
    idiotic.

    - You can answer a call in speakerphone mode without opening the cover.
    But
    you can't end a call without opening the cover and pressing stop!

    - You cannot initiate a call in speakerphone mode with the cover
    closed.

    - There is no button you can press which will light up the screen with
    the
    cover closed, perhaps to tell the time. Your ownly choice is to do
    Volume Up
    or something, and then wait for the screen to settle back to show the
    time.

    - As many have mentioned, the menu button is far too small, and it's
    very easy
    to press one of the cursor keys by accident instead. I do it all the
    time and
    it's quite aggressivating.

    - The phone is also oddly top-heavy: the speaker portion is nearly as
    heavy as
    the body, quite unlike most other phones.

    As to WAP: my understanding was that the Mobile Web web browser is not
    free
    with a basic account. but a poster here suggested that there's free WAP
    available. Can someone elaborate? Further, the existence of the
    *#BROWSER#
    unlock sequence gives me hope that there might be a similar beast for
    the Java VM.

    Overall, I've stomped nearly every issue regarding this phone and OS X
    with
    a combination of PhoneDirector and Bluetooth File Exchange. Yet to be
    tested:
    the modem. As a result, generally I'm quite happy with this phone. I
    think I'll
    be keeping it rather than returning it for an e815.

    Sean
     
  7. David L

    David L Guest

    Excellent review forn a UI perspective. Limitations and annoyance are
    well detailed. Lots of major and minor issues I was unaware of, but
    right on. Thanks for your contribution to the knowledge base of using
    this handset.

    Can you reprint your review on Howard Forums, so a larger Nokia 6256i,
    phone specific audience might see it?

    http://www.howardforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=298

    About free WAP (2.0), internet phone connections. Yes it is free,
    you'll find further proof and a tutorial on Howard Forums. Just uses
    air time or MOU, (Minutes of Use). Been connecting to the internet with
    my handset for years. Numbers show up as (777) calls on bill. Normal
    airtime only.

    Thanks for working with the developer, that's great news!
    He seems very responsive and sent me another (updated?) copy of
    Phonedirector. It just seems strange to have some guy in
    Slovenia/Slovokia(?) working on sw to get our VZW Nokia phones to work
    with Mac OS X. CDMA isn't exactly a popular technology in Europe:)

    I got a 1GB topram flash card and successfully downloaded some MP3
    music. Seems like a waste of time, since it appears music won't play
    continuosly... the play button needs to be hit for each new song:(
    I work a little with some other Mac audio codec tools Toast, CD spin
    Doctor, Audacity and mostly lossless formats AC3, PCM, Apple Lossless,
    ..aiff, so first finding a way to cut a chunk of a aiff, or MP3 music
    file is the first problem? Needless to say the starting with an itunes
    Library AL forat is a dead end.
    ..mid files are new to me.
    Phone won't recognize a 3.1mb MP3 (160 kbps) file as a ringtone? I'm
    not sure if it's the file size or the codec?

    The largest ringtone in the handset is about 6.3kb. The smallest is
    about .4 kb.
    The files present in the handset are in .mid and AMR format, whatever
    that is.

    Got a link or tips for creating compatible ringtone files for a newb?
    I'd like some animal sounds. I'm thinking about recording analog
    sounds the cutting them to size with Spin DoctOr, but there must be an
    easier way and more appropriate tools.
    Uploading .mid or MP3 files doesn't look so "trivial" at this point:)

    Thanks Again,
    Dave
     
  8. I have collated my previous experiences and put them on a web page plus
    some other stuff for anyone interested in OS X + 6256i + Verizon:

    http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/6256i.html

    I hope this will prove helpful to you. I believe that the 6256i is at
    present *the* best choice for OS X users doing Verizon. The e815 runs
    a distant second.
     
  9. David L

    David L Guest

    Could you include a step by step instruction set for getting MP3 files
    to work as ringtones? Apparently, no one else has been able to get this
    to work.

    -
    Dave
     
  10. "David L" <davlindi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:1133077913.379585.142540@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
    > Could you include a step by step instruction set for getting MP3 files
    > to work as ringtones? Apparently, no one else has been able to get this
    > to work.
    >
    > -
    > Dave
    >


    Can't help you with specifics of your phone and Mac combination, but what I
    do is to cut down a regular MP3 so it's no longer than 15-30 seconds or so
    and put it on a Transflash card for my E815. You have to use an MP3 editor
    to cut it down. I also usually cut down the sample rate to 64kbps or even
    lower.

    If I remember right, I can't directly move an MP3 file to the phone from the
    card, but send a 'fake' message with the sound file attached (to a number
    such as 555-555-5555). It'll fail to send and then I can save the sound from
    the message in my outbox.
     
  11. FlyByNite

    FlyByNite New Member

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    Stay away from Wilson adapter on this phone

    I'm on my third phone in this series after the first two were ruined by the Wilson external adapter which plugs into the hole below the antenna. I'll never use one again unless there is one which plugs into the bottom of the phone. Here is the post at HoFo
    http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=797766
     
  12. David L

    David L Guest

    Agreed! I didnt ruin my phone.. bought one of those external adapters
    off ebay. Really nice design, fits tightly in hole and has a spring
    loaded center pin.
    Problem is, DOES NOT WORK even after numerous tests. There is no RF
    connectivity down that little hole, under the antenna! At least on the
    VZW 6256i. This is not the first external connector tha'st had no RF
    connectivity.
    I've searched like heck, but apparently all the OEM Nokia external
    adapters just use the inferior, inductive, method of picking up a
    signal from the phone holder. No bottom RF plug that I know of;(
    Wondering if perhaps a clip attached to the actual cell antenna may be
    the best method?
    -
    david
     

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