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Verizon - no deals or competition?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Michael, Jan 11, 2004.

  1. MADPOLE <madpole@comcast.net> wrote:
    > Samsung phones are made in Korea. Thought I'd throw in my two cents worth.
    > Do I get a refund?


    No refund, sorry. I'm broke. :)

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  2. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    This being a cell phone group, did I have to say Chinese Cell Phones rather
    than just Chinese Phones? And I think I said Wal-mart, what's VZW got to do
    with Wal-mart? Are they buying Wal-Mart? Can we get a rumour started? :) Hey
    everyone, I have it from an unamed source on the verizon newsgroup that
    Wal-mart and Verizon are either merging or purchasing one another! <----
    that should get this rumour started..... :)


    "Thomas M. Goethe" <goethe11@lycos.com> wrote in message
    news:bu3fo5$cr6f9$1@ID-192964.news.uni-berlin.de...
    > VZW sells many Chinese phones.
    >
    >
    > --
    > Thomas M. Goethe
    >
    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:bu2vm5$cm5nr$1@ID-190045.news.uni-berlin.de...
    > >
    > > "Bob the Printer" <bdolson@comcast.net> wrote in message
    > > news:9OidnQuhgopjMpndRVn-hg@comcast.com...
    > > >
    > > > "Michael" <betterthanthis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:sr2dnaftRuOvZJzdRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
    > > > > Sprint PCS has nights starting at 7pm.
    > > > > T-mobile has three day weekends.
    > > > > Cingular has roll-over minutes.
    > > > >
    > > > > Am I missing some thing or Verizon hasn't given it's loyal

    customer's
    > > > > anything?
    > > >
    > > > No special deals, but the best cellular service there is!
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > > But but but this is America, they don't seem to care about good service,

    > all
    > > they ask for is free or cheaper stuff!. :) Bet if Wal-Mart had a Chinese
    > > phone they'd buy it instead :)
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  3. "Michael" <betterthanthis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:sr2dnaftRuOvZJzdRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
    > Sprint PCS has nights starting at 7pm.
    > T-mobile has three day weekends.
    > Cingular has roll-over minutes.
    >
    > Am I missing some thing or Verizon hasn't given it's loyal customer's
    > anything?
    >
    >

    It is ever worse than that. Here in Rancho Cordova, Ca (8 miles east of down
    town Sacramento) there are 2 local carriers with flat rate plans. Metro PCS
    will charges $35 for all the local calls. Local is most of the populated
    Sanfrancisco Bay area and the central valley. For $40 they let you call the
    lower 48 and talk all they want. If they leave the area the phone does not
    work but there is no way to get a surprise charge. There is no contract, no
    credit check. Just buy the phone and pay month to month.
    Verizon and sprint reps have told me their network is full of dead spots. My
    experience is AT&T and Verizon have more holes where I live than Metro PCS
    has.

    How far appart do they put cell towers? I have had reps tell me 10 to 50
    miles. Some how I find that very hard to beleave.

    Verizon reps keep telling me that closed Mather AFB interferes with their
    signal and know one can get a good connection near my home. Well Metro does
    a lot better than the big boys. To be fair I must admit I have not tried
    Sprint but AT&T and Verizon drop call from my home. I have to walk down the
    street 3 or 4 houses to talk reliably. I have not been able to find where
    the towers are and who is on each tower. That would be a big help.

    Anyway I was in a cell phone store today. The manager told me he sells more
    than 10 Metro phones for each Sprint phone and more Sprint than Verizon. Is
    Verizon going to be here in a few years? Will a lot of flat rate locals be
    able to take the profetable metorpoliton areas away from them? They may have
    some towers, not enough but some, here but towers do not make money,
    handsets make money and from what I see they are lossing the handsets count.

    So why is Verizon charging so much and not doing any deals? Does anyone
    charge more for less than Verizon? I would not think it would be a big deal
    to make an unlimited calling plan for small areas, say 100 miles from home,
    that would not be dangerous to give to a teenager. A plane that no matter
    what happened the bill would be $40. If Verizon had such a plan would their
    network carry the traffic? How many of these teens would grow up and get a
    national plan when they start leaving the home area?

    From what I can tell, Verizon is losing market share in Sacramento. I have
    talked with several wireless venders and they all say they are selling
    bunches of phones for each Verizon phone they sell. Are they so big they do
    not need Sacramento/Sanfrancisco teenage market? More than half of the teen
    phones are on a flat rate plan of some kind here. There seem to be more
    Tmoble and Sprint phones sold than Verizon.

    Even AT&T has been running a $10 second and third line family share plan
    while Sprint and Verizon are thinking $20 is a good deal.

    I still have a year to go on my contract. I feel stuck. I have tried to work
    with customor service to get my phone to work better but it has not done any
    good. Where should I go from here?
  4. "Bob the Printer" <bdolson@comcast.net> wrote in message
    news:9OidnQuhgopjMpndRVn-hg@comcast.com...
    >
    > "Michael" <betterthanthis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:sr2dnaftRuOvZJzdRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
    > > Sprint PCS has nights starting at 7pm.
    > > T-mobile has three day weekends.
    > > Cingular has roll-over minutes.
    > >
    > > Am I missing some thing or Verizon hasn't given it's loyal customer's
    > > anything?

    >
    > No special deals, but the best cellular service there is!
    >
    >


    I have the vx6000 but it drops calls if I am at home. I would like service
    that will cover Rancho Cordova, Ca without dropping calls. The only reliable
    ones I see hare the cheep local flat-rate plans.
  5. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    "John Phillips" <0jdp@comcast.net> wrote in message
    news:FbtNb.57410$sv6.135759@attbi_s52...
    >
    > It is ever worse than that. Here in Rancho Cordova, Ca (8 miles east of

    down
    > town Sacramento) there are 2 local carriers with flat rate plans. Metro

    PCS
    > will charges $35 for all the local calls. Local is most of the populated
    > Sanfrancisco Bay area and the central valley. For $40 they let you call

    the
    > lower 48 and talk all they want. If they leave the area the phone does not
    > work but there is no way to get a surprise charge. There is no contract,

    no
    > credit check. Just buy the phone and pay month to month.

    <snipped>
    > I still have a year to go on my contract. I feel stuck. I have tried to

    work
    > with customor service to get my phone to work better but it has not done

    any
    > good. Where should I go from here?
    >
    >


    So consider killing the verizon phone, the etf would only be the equivalent
    of $15 a month for the year left on your contract and go with the local
    phone that has no surprises on billing. If you decide to go on vacation, for
    two weeks just get a prepaid phone to use outside of your area. (I use
    tracfone's when I travel http://www.tracfone.com). You didn't say how much
    your contract was, but considering the etf it would be $40+$15=$55 a month
    for a phone that lets you talk all you want and no surprises.
    No brainer... I say <ding ding ding> Go for it..
  6. Mike

    Mike Guest

    On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:39:03 GMT, "John Phillips" <0jdp@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    >I have the vx6000 but it drops calls if I am at home. I would like service
    >that will cover Rancho Cordova, Ca without dropping calls. The only reliable
    >ones I see hare the cheep local flat-rate plans.


    For the record, though I wasn't in Rancho Cordova at the time, I've
    had very good success with Verizon in the Sacramento area.

    When I lived there before (a couple of years ago), I was using another
    carrier, Pacific Bell Wireless (now Cingular). But I visited
    recently, and my Verizon Wireless phone worked everywhere I went,
    without a single dropped call or problem.

    I find it hard to believe that the low-cost flat-rate carriers have
    better area-wide coverage in Sacramento. They may have a tower closer
    to you in RC, but I'm talking ALL OVER the area.

    I couldn't understand half of your original message, so I'm guessing
    that's what you're talking about...sorry.

    Mike
  7. "Mike" <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:p9rd00tf1idbbrr9u7mlu7165j1pdsqgb3@4ax.com...
    > On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:39:03 GMT, "John Phillips" <0jdp@comcast.net>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >I have the vx6000 but it drops calls if I am at home. I would like

    service
    > >that will cover Rancho Cordova, Ca without dropping calls. The only

    reliable
    > >ones I see hare the cheep local flat-rate plans.

    >
    > For the record, though I wasn't in Rancho Cordova at the time, I've
    > had very good success with Verizon in the Sacramento area.
    >
    > When I lived there before (a couple of years ago), I was using another
    > carrier, Pacific Bell Wireless (now Cingular). But I visited
    > recently, and my Verizon Wireless phone worked everywhere I went,
    > without a single dropped call or problem.
    >
    > I find it hard to believe that the low-cost flat-rate carriers have
    > better area-wide coverage in Sacramento. They may have a tower closer
    > to you in RC, but I'm talking ALL OVER the area.
    >
    > I couldn't understand half of your original message, so I'm guessing
    > that's what you're talking about...sorry.
    >
    > Mike


    Thanks Mike,
    I am very frustrated. I do not seem to have a problem unless I am close to
    home. I can drive most any place and get coverage but down town ranch, if
    you can call it that seems to be a problem for me.

    John
  8. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 01:29:06 GMT, "Scott Stephenson"
    <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >"Harry P" <harryp@aol.com> wrote in message
    >news:t167009g10ufa8etai3242e9vpst5iv87v@4ax.com...
    >> On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 23:25:12 -0600, Gordy <kg0wx@IHATESPAMyahoo.com>
    >> wrote:
    >> >"Michael" <betterthanthis@yahoo.com> wrote in news:sr2dnaftRuOvZJzdRVn-
    >> >iQ@comcast.com:


    >> >go away troll!!


    >> The guys a troll all because he wants more out of Verizon? Please,
    >> they should be more comepetitive and get better phones too. Sprint's
    >> phones make Verizon's look like they were made by Fisher Price!


    >He's a troll because he doesn't use VZW- he's an old Sprint, current ATT
    >customer.


    You buy what you need and you (usually) get (almost) what you pay for.

    I need solid coverage in the NYC area, the DC area and the Dallas
    area. I get it with Verizon, and never roam on AC. Since I don't use
    the phones for business I can spend the entire (2 day) weekend on the
    phone if I want, and I can make all the calls I want from 9PM to 6AM.

    If I wanted a 7PM starting time, 3 day weekends and phones with
    gadgets - and didn't care whether I got coverage when and where I
    wanted it - I'd go with another carrier.

    BTW, can someone tell me where to get a desk phone with a camera that
    plays MP3s and games? (Rhetorical question, guys.)
  9. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:47:01 -0800, "Peter Pan"
    <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >But but but this is America, they don't seem to care about good service, all
    >they ask for is free or cheaper stuff!. :)


    I remember being in the used appliance business many years ago. The
    sale went to the store with the biggest discount, even if the final
    price was higher.

    You'll never lose money betting on the stupidity of the American
    public.
  10. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:28:09 -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse
    <veldy71@yahoo.com> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >I will throw in again the fact that Sprint PCS in the Minnesota far
    >exceeds Verizon in quality and breadth of coverage. And Sprint IS all
    >PCS. As a matter of fact, Verizon has too many holes in Minnesota and
    >for the majority of the state, it requires a roaming partner (often
    >Sprint PCS). Native coverage is small here and the equipment they use
    >seems to be the cause of many local problems (echo, tower induced
    >static, etc).


    "Best carrier" is almost TOTALLY dependent on location. And, until
    every carrier covers every square foot of the country, it will remain
    so.
  11. "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.org> wrote in message
    news:mk5m00p5mnq2e84rq58rjd4qq980r8h8ak@Pern.rk...
    >
    > "Best carrier" is almost TOTALLY dependent on location. And, until
    > every carrier covers every square foot of the country, it will remain
    > so.


    Amen.
  12. Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> wrote in message

    > "Best carrier" is almost TOTALLY dependent on location. And, until
    > every carrier covers every square foot of the country, it will remain
    > so.


    No one expects any carrier to cover every square foot. People that
    value ubiquitous coverager will choose a carrier that at least
    provides the largest amount of coverage possible, whether it is native
    or roaming. With Cingular and AT&T converting to GSM, in most areas of
    the country Verizon is now the only choice for people that want the
    best possible coverage, even if they have to pay roaming charges on
    occasion. Someday GSM may come close, but it's a long way off.

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