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Verizon plans - Mobile Web vs. Data Plans

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by adkcamper, Nov 15, 2007.

  1. adkcamper

    adkcamper Guest

    I have spent a frustrating day trying to figure a way around Verizon's
    apparent greediness. I currently use a 2 year old Motorola Razr with
    Mobile Web 2.0. I bought a synchronization product from Motorola that
    lets me update my phone numbers from the computer. But what I really
    want is to stop carrying around my old Palm Tungsten E and get a phone
    that will synch with my Outlook contacts, calendar and tasks, and
    allow me to make updates. I don't really care about the mail as I'm
    retired and can log in and look at mail online when I want to. So
    what I'd like to do is keep the $5 a month Mobile Web for my web
    access needs - it has worked fine for me. However if I buy a
    smartphone with Windows Mobile on it, Verizon tells me the only way to
    get web access is to buy a data plan - significantly more expensive
    than the $5 a month I am paying now.

    Wondering if anyone else has tackled this problem and come up with
    solutions.

    Thanks.

    Carolyn



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  2. tscottme

    tscottme Guest

    This question is asked often and as I understand it there is no workaround
    for smartphones. If you want to use it as a smartphone you have to pay for
    a data plan. Is there not a web-based solution, like google or yahoo, to
    keeping a calandar etc. I pay $1 per month for web 2.0 access on my phone.
    Web minutes count against my minutes except when the airtime is free.

    Have you looked at howardforums for an answer?

    --

    Scott

    Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum
    soli proscript catapultas habebunt.


    "adkcamper" <belknaps@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:e114564d-7e9e-4dc9-91c2-c0e23058a850@f3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
    >I have spent a frustrating day trying to figure a way around Verizon's
    > apparent greediness. I currently use a 2 year old Motorola Razr with
    > Mobile Web 2.0. I bought a synchronization product from Motorola that
    > lets me update my phone numbers from the computer. But what I really
    > want is to stop carrying around my old Palm Tungsten E and get a phone
    > that will synch with my Outlook contacts, calendar and tasks, and
    > allow me to make updates. I don't really care about the mail as I'm
    > retired and can log in and look at mail online when I want to. So
    > what I'd like to do is keep the $5 a month Mobile Web for my web
    > access needs - it has worked fine for me. However if I buy a
    > smartphone with Windows Mobile on it, Verizon tells me the only way to
    > get web access is to buy a data plan - significantly more expensive
    > than the $5 a month I am paying now.
    >
    > Wondering if anyone else has tackled this problem and come up with
    > solutions.
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > Carolyn
  3. Jon

    Jon Guest

    tscottme wrote:
    > This question is asked often and as I understand it there is no workaround
    > for smartphones. If you want to use it as a smartphone you have to pay for
    > a data plan. Is there not a web-based solution, like google or yahoo, to
    > keeping a calandar etc. I pay $1 per month for web 2.0 access on my phone.
    > Web minutes count against my minutes except when the airtime is free.
    >
    > Have you looked at howardforums for an answer?
    >

    I guess you didn't hear about verizon's new thing they have going.

    Unless you signed up for a data plan ($60/month) or the vcast package
    ($15/month), you are charged $2/MB of data. So now on top of the
    $1/month your paying for Web 2.0, you will also have to pay $2/MB of
    data. (and yes, that is for any non-data/vcast plans)
  4. Mark Crispin

    Mark Crispin Guest

    On Thu, 15 Nov 2007, Jon wrote:
    > Unless you signed up for a data plan ($60/month) or the vcast package
    > ($15/month), you are charged $2/MB of data. So now on top of the $1/month
    > your paying for Web 2.0, you will also have to pay $2/MB of data. (and yes,
    > that is for any non-data/vcast plans)


    That's only for new plans. People on legacy plans are grandfathered and
    can still get data with MOU.

    -- Mark --

    http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
    Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
    Si vis pacem, para bellum.
  5. Larry

    Larry Guest

    adkcamper <belknaps@yahoo.com> wrote in news:e114564d-7e9e-4dc9-
    91c2-c0e23058a850@f3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

    > I have spent a frustrating day trying to figure a way around

    Verizon's
    > apparent greediness. I currently use a 2 year old Motorola

    Razr with
    > Mobile Web 2.0. I bought a synchronization product from

    Motorola that
    > lets me update my phone numbers from the computer. But what I

    really
    > want is to stop carrying around my old Palm Tungsten E and get

    a phone
    > that will synch with my Outlook contacts, calendar and tasks,

    and
    > allow me to make updates. I don't really care about the mail

    as I'm
    > retired and can log in and look at mail online when I want to.

    So
    > what I'd like to do is keep the $5 a month Mobile Web for my

    web
    > access needs - it has worked fine for me. However if I buy a
    > smartphone with Windows Mobile on it, Verizon tells me the only

    way to
    > get web access is to buy a data plan - significantly more

    expensive
    > than the $5 a month I am paying now.
    >
    > Wondering if anyone else has tackled this problem and come up

    with
    > solutions.
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > Carolyn
    >


    Carolyn, does Alltel have native coverage in your city? Where
    are you?

    You can buy Alltel 1X service, more than fast enough at 110Kbps,
    to serve your needs for only $10/month for really unlimited
    service, no funny business. Their phone plans are much cheaper
    than VZW, too, probably easily offsetting the extra $5 for real
    internet service.

    Alltel, more interested in business than girls, also has many
    good smartphones to upgrade to, COMPLETELY UNHOBBLED, at really
    great subsidized prices for your 2-year-agreement. You can sync
    them via the air or cable, whichever is more convenient for you
    at the moment, without being forced by some stupid locking
    software. Alltel won't install anything on your desktop
    computer. You can even use your PDA as a phone modem if your
    office broadband fails, or use a bluetooth connection for your
    laptop at no extra charge.

    It just works better.....

    I had a problem when I switched phones to a new MotoROKR Z6M but
    discovered a way to get my BT Nokia N800 to use it with a little
    tinkering. Today, 2 weeks after I had called to tell them I'd
    solved the problem, I get another followup call, just to see if I
    was happy with Alltel's service. THEY called l'il ol' ME!
    That's Alltel...They may not have the answer to your problem,
    because my problem was with my Linux tablet, not their
    phone....but they care enough to call back, something I really
    appreciate any company doing, much less a SELLphone company.

    You don't have to put up with Verizon's crap! They're not
    omnipotent.

    Larry
    --
    Xterm IS the ultimate video game...(c;
  6. Jon

    Jon Guest

    Larry wrote:
    > adkcamper <belknaps@yahoo.com> wrote in news:e114564d-7e9e-4dc9-
    > 91c2-c0e23058a850@f3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
    >
    >> I have spent a frustrating day trying to figure a way around

    > Verizon's
    >> apparent greediness. I currently use a 2 year old Motorola

    > Razr with
    >> Mobile Web 2.0. I bought a synchronization product from

    > Motorola that
    >> lets me update my phone numbers from the computer. But what I

    > really
    >> want is to stop carrying around my old Palm Tungsten E and get

    > a phone
    >> that will synch with my Outlook contacts, calendar and tasks,

    > and
    >> allow me to make updates. I don't really care about the mail

    > as I'm
    >> retired and can log in and look at mail online when I want to.

    > So
    >> what I'd like to do is keep the $5 a month Mobile Web for my

    > web
    >> access needs - it has worked fine for me. However if I buy a
    >> smartphone with Windows Mobile on it, Verizon tells me the only

    > way to
    >> get web access is to buy a data plan - significantly more

    > expensive
    >> than the $5 a month I am paying now.
    >>
    >> Wondering if anyone else has tackled this problem and come up

    > with
    >> solutions.
    >>
    >> Thanks.
    >>
    >> Carolyn
    >>

    >
    > Carolyn, does Alltel have native coverage in your city? Where
    > are you?
    >
    > You can buy Alltel 1X service, more than fast enough at 110Kbps,
    > to serve your needs for only $10/month for really unlimited
    > service, no funny business. Their phone plans are much cheaper
    > than VZW, too, probably easily offsetting the extra $5 for real
    > internet service.
    >
    > Alltel, more interested in business than girls, also has many
    > good smartphones to upgrade to, COMPLETELY UNHOBBLED, at really
    > great subsidized prices for your 2-year-agreement. You can sync
    > them via the air or cable, whichever is more convenient for you
    > at the moment, without being forced by some stupid locking
    > software. Alltel won't install anything on your desktop
    > computer. You can even use your PDA as a phone modem if your
    > office broadband fails, or use a bluetooth connection for your
    > laptop at no extra charge.
    >
    > It just works better.....
    >
    > I had a problem when I switched phones to a new MotoROKR Z6M but
    > discovered a way to get my BT Nokia N800 to use it with a little
    > tinkering. Today, 2 weeks after I had called to tell them I'd
    > solved the problem, I get another followup call, just to see if I
    > was happy with Alltel's service. THEY called l'il ol' ME!
    > That's Alltel...They may not have the answer to your problem,
    > because my problem was with my Linux tablet, not their
    > phone....but they care enough to call back, something I really
    > appreciate any company doing, much less a SELLphone company.
    >
    > You don't have to put up with Verizon's crap! They're not
    > omnipotent.
    >
    > Larry

    I heard that you have to pay alltel more $$$ when you roam on other
    network's area (such as roaming on Sprint area), is this true?
  7. tscottme

    tscottme Guest

    I saw the notice of the $/MB charge but it's not showing on my monthly
    statement.

    --

    Scott

    Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum
    soli proscript catapultas habebunt.


    "Jon" <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in message
    news:fhikp8$70t$2@registered.motzarella.org...
    > tscottme wrote:
    >> This question is asked often and as I understand it there is no
    >> workaround for smartphones. If you want to use it as a smartphone you
    >> have to pay for a data plan. Is there not a web-based solution, like
    >> google or yahoo, to keeping a calandar etc. I pay $1 per month for web
    >> 2.0 access on my phone. Web minutes count against my minutes except when
    >> the airtime is free.
    >>
    >> Have you looked at howardforums for an answer?
    >>

    > I guess you didn't hear about verizon's new thing they have going.
    >
    > Unless you signed up for a data plan ($60/month) or the vcast package
    > ($15/month), you are charged $2/MB of data. So now on top of the $1/month
    > your paying for Web 2.0, you will also have to pay $2/MB of data. (and
    > yes, that is for any non-data/vcast plans)
  8. Jon

    Jon Guest

    tscottme wrote:
    > I saw the notice of the $/MB charge but it's not showing on my monthly
    > statement.
    >

    Well it was just stared beginning of this month, so it cannot show on a
    monthly statement as it hasn't been a month yet!
  9. Larry

    Larry Guest

    Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fhitr8$vjg$1
    @registered.motzarella.org:

    > I heard that you have to pay alltel more $$$ when you roam on

    other
    > network's area (such as roaming on Sprint area), is this true?
    >
    >


    Nope.

    Compare the nationwide coverage maps. That's not a roaming map....

    Larry
    --
    Xterm IS the ultimate video game...(c;
  10. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    Larry wrote:
    > adkcamper <belknaps@yahoo.com> wrote in news:e114564d-7e9e-4dc9-
    > 91c2-c0e23058a850@f3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
    >
    >> I have spent a frustrating day trying to figure a way around
    >> Verizon's apparent greediness. I currently use a 2 year old
    >> Motorola Razr with Mobile Web 2.0. I bought a synchronization
    >> product from Motorola that lets me update my phone numbers from the
    >> computer. But what I really want is to stop carrying around my old
    >> Palm Tungsten E and get a phone that will synch with my Outlook
    >> contacts, calendar and tasks, and allow me to make updates. I don't
    >> really care about the mail as I'm retired and can log in and look at
    >> mail online when I want to. So what I'd like to do is keep the $5 a
    >> month Mobile Web for my web access needs - it has worked fine for
    >> me. However if I buy a smartphone with Windows Mobile on it,
    >> Verizon tells me the only way to get web access is to buy a data
    >> plan - significantly more expensive than the $5 a month I am paying
    >> now.
    >>
    >> Wondering if anyone else has tackled this problem and come up with
    >> solutions.
    >>
    >> Thanks.
    >>
    >> Carolyn
    >>

    >
    > Carolyn, does Alltel have native coverage in your city? Where
    > are you?
    >
    > You can buy Alltel 1X service, more than fast enough at 110Kbps,
    > to serve your needs for only $10/month for really unlimited
    > service, no funny business. Their phone plans are much cheaper
    > than VZW, too, probably easily offsetting the extra $5 for real
    > internet service.
    >
    > Alltel, more interested in business than girls, also has many
    > good smartphones to upgrade to, COMPLETELY UNHOBBLED, at really
    > great subsidized prices for your 2-year-agreement. You can sync
    > them via the air or cable, whichever is more convenient for you
    > at the moment, without being forced by some stupid locking
    > software. Alltel won't install anything on your desktop
    > computer. You can even use your PDA as a phone modem if your
    > office broadband fails, or use a bluetooth connection for your
    > laptop at no extra charge.
    >
    > It just works better.....
    >
    > I had a problem when I switched phones to a new MotoROKR Z6M but
    > discovered a way to get my BT Nokia N800 to use it with a little
    > tinkering. Today, 2 weeks after I had called to tell them I'd
    > solved the problem, I get another followup call, just to see if I
    > was happy with Alltel's service. THEY called l'il ol' ME!
    > That's Alltel...They may not have the answer to your problem,
    > because my problem was with my Linux tablet, not their
    > phone....but they care enough to call back, something I really
    > appreciate any company doing, much less a SELLphone company.
    >
    > You don't have to put up with Verizon's crap! They're not
    > omnipotent.
    >
    > Larry


    Oddy (or cooley) enuf, I got an alltell phone off ebay (my verizon e815
    died, so I got an alltel one), activated it on my verizon service, and all
    sorts off cool things work now, that my phone didn't support... Makes me
    sort of wonder, do you have to live in an alltell area? What about getting a
    verizon plan with a free verizon phone, and just activating the alltel phone
    on the verizon plan?
  11. Cubit

    Cubit Guest

    Your question is out of my experience, but I was thinking, if it is a
    smartphone, there might be wi-fi or bluetooth capabilities, which might get
    you going.

    I'm just guessing here. Verizon may have crippled any alternative to their
    $60 per month.

    "adkcamper" <belknaps@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:e114564d-7e9e-4dc9-91c2-c0e23058a850@f3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
    >I have spent a frustrating day trying to figure a way around Verizon's
    > apparent greediness. I currently use a 2 year old Motorola Razr with
    > Mobile Web 2.0. I bought a synchronization product from Motorola that
    > lets me update my phone numbers from the computer. But what I really
    > want is to stop carrying around my old Palm Tungsten E and get a phone
    > that will synch with my Outlook contacts, calendar and tasks, and
    > allow me to make updates. I don't really care about the mail as I'm
    > retired and can log in and look at mail online when I want to. So
    > what I'd like to do is keep the $5 a month Mobile Web for my web
    > access needs - it has worked fine for me. However if I buy a
    > smartphone with Windows Mobile on it, Verizon tells me the only way to
    > get web access is to buy a data plan - significantly more expensive
    > than the $5 a month I am paying now.
    >
    > Wondering if anyone else has tackled this problem and come up with
    > solutions.
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > Carolyn
  12. XS11E

    XS11E Guest

    XS11E <xs11e@mailinator.com> wrote:

    > adkcamper <belknaps@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    >> I have spent a frustrating day trying to figure a way around
    >> Verizon's apparent greediness. I currently use a 2 year old
    >> Motorola Razr with Mobile Web 2.0. I bought a synchronization
    >> product from Motorola that lets me update my phone numbers from
    >> the computer. But what I really want is to stop carrying around
    >> my old Palm Tungsten E and get a phone that will synch with my
    >> Outlook contacts, calendar and tasks, and allow me to make
    >> updates. I don't really care about the mail as I'm retired and
    >> can log in and look at mail online when I want to. So what I'd
    >> like to do is keep the $5 a month Mobile Web for my web access
    >> needs - it has worked fine for me. However if I buy a smartphone
    >> with Windows Mobile on it, Verizon tells me the only way to get
    >> web access is to buy a data plan - significantly more expensive
    >> than the $5 a month I am paying now.
    >>
    >> Wondering if anyone else has tackled this problem and come up
    >> with solutions.

    >
    > Yes, www.howardforums.com and http://mark.cdmaforums.com/ and
    > http://www.hacktherazr.com/guide.seem.edits.html
    >
    > All you really need do is the first SEEM edit listed in the last
    > link I gave you.


    Ooops, should have mentioned the above will allow you to sync with your
    RAZR, no need for a new phone.



    --
    XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
    The Usenet Improvement Project:
    http://improve-usenet.org
  13. adkcamper

    adkcamper Guest

    On Nov 17, 8:09 pm, XS11E <xs...@mailinator.com> wrote:
    > XS11E <xs...@mailinator.com> wrote:
    > > adkcamper <belkn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    >
    > >> I have spent a frustrating day trying to figure a way around
    > >> Verizon's apparent greediness. I currently use a 2 year old
    > >> Motorola Razr with Mobile Web 2.0. I bought a synchronization
    > >> product from Motorola that lets me update my phone numbers from
    > >> the computer. But what I really want is to stop carrying around
    > >> my old Palm Tungsten E and get a phone that will synch with my
    > >> Outlook contacts, calendar and tasks, and allow me to make
    > >> updates. I don't really care about the mail as I'm retired and
    > >> can log in and look at mail online when I want to. So what I'd
    > >> like to do is keep the $5 a month Mobile Web for my web access
    > >> needs - it has worked fine for me. However if I buy a smartphone
    > >> with Windows Mobile on it, Verizon tells me the only way to get
    > >> web access is to buy a data plan - significantly more expensive
    > >> than the $5 a month I am paying now.

    >
    > >> Wondering if anyone else has tackled this problem and come up
    > >> with solutions.

    >
    > > Yes,www.howardforums.comandhttp://mark.cdmaforums.com/and
    > >http://www.hacktherazr.com/guide.seem.edits.html

    >
    > > All you really need do is the first SEEM edit listed in the last
    > > link I gave you.

    >
    > Ooops, should have mentioned the above will allow you to sync with your
    > RAZR, no need for a new phone.
    >
    > --
    > XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
    > The Usenet Improvement Project:http://improve-usenet.org



    Thanks - I've been using Motorola Phone Tools with my RAZR - only
    would let me synch phone book, not calendar. I called MPT support the
    other day and they led me through changing the phone driver to V710.
    When I did this I could synch both calendar and phonebook -
    interesting workaround I thought I'd pass along.
  14. Larry

    Larry Guest

    "Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@AkamailNOSPAM.com> wrote in
    news:5q9em3FuqfufU1@mid.individual.net:

    > Oddy (or cooley) enuf, I got an alltell phone off ebay (my

    verizon
    > e815 died, so I got an alltel one), activated it on my verizon
    > service, and all sorts off cool things work now, that my phone

    didn't
    > support... Makes me sort of wonder, do you have to live in an

    alltell
    > area? What about getting a verizon plan with a free verizon

    phone, and
    > just activating the alltel phone on the verizon plan?
    >
    >
    >


    I had the E815 on Alltel, itself. After replacing it twice, the
    story changed as to why it wouldn't stay connected to Alltel's
    EVDO or 1X circuits. It seems the E815, itself, has been
    defective in its data implementation....all of them...which
    caused random disconnects for no reason other than I clicked a
    webpage or started a stream running. The phone to Alltel link
    would dump, reconnect and resume (unless, of course, the server
    you were connected to was looking for you to be at the same IP as
    before, which you were not.)

    The Alltel cure was to sell me a new Moto ROKR Z6M slidephone
    with really cool internal features like the 2 megapixel camera
    and a bug-free (so far) data link on both the Bluetooth to my
    Nokia N800 internet tablet...and Alltel's EVDO ($25/mo) internet
    service. It stays connected until I finally kill the phone's
    battery, if I forget to look and plug it into the
    car/motorcycle/wall to recover. Unless it runs out of power, the
    ROKR Z6M stays connected continuously to Alltel EVDO. Works much
    better than the E815 did, even on its best day. Perhaps you
    could find one of these Alltel Z6Ms if you find your E815 dumping
    you from the VZW system you're not supposed to use, anyway.

    All E815's have defective data hardware/software that, I'm told,
    cannot be fixed, by both Alltel Data Support and Motorola,
    itself.

    Larry
    --
    Xterm IS the ultimate video game...(c;
  15. digi

    digi Guest

    Larry wrote:
    > "Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@AkamailNOSPAM.com> wrote in
    > news:5q9em3FuqfufU1@mid.individual.net:
    >
    > > Oddy (or cooley) enuf, I got an alltell phone off ebay (my

    > verizon
    > > e815 died, so I got an alltel one), activated it on my verizon
    > > service, and all sorts off cool things work now, that my phone

    > didn't
    > > support... Makes me sort of wonder, do you have to live in an

    > alltell
    > > area? What about getting a verizon plan with a free verizon

    > phone, and
    > > just activating the alltel phone on the verizon plan?
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    > I had the E815 on Alltel, itself. After replacing it twice, the
    > story changed as to why it wouldn't stay connected to Alltel's
    > EVDO or 1X circuits. It seems the E815, itself, has been
    > defective in its data implementation....all of them...which
    > caused random disconnects for no reason other than I clicked a
    > webpage or started a stream running. The phone to Alltel link
    > would dump, reconnect and resume (unless, of course, the server
    > you were connected to was looking for you to be at the same IP as
    > before, which you were not.)
    >
    > The Alltel cure was to sell me a new Moto ROKR Z6M slidephone
    > with really cool internal features like the 2 megapixel camera
    > and a bug-free (so far) data link on both the Bluetooth to my
    > Nokia N800 internet tablet...and Alltel's EVDO ($25/mo) internet
    > service. It stays connected until I finally kill the phone's
    > battery, if I forget to look and plug it into the
    > car/motorcycle/wall to recover. Unless it runs out of power, the
    > ROKR Z6M stays connected continuously to Alltel EVDO. Works much
    > better than the E815 did, even on its best day. Perhaps you
    > could find one of these Alltel Z6Ms if you find your E815 dumping
    > you from the VZW system you're not supposed to use, anyway.
    >
    > All E815's have defective data hardware/software that, I'm told,
    > cannot be fixed, by both Alltel Data Support and Motorola,
    > itself.
    >
    > Larry
    > --
    > Xterm IS the ultimate video game...(c;



    I know of 5 e815's off the top of my head that have no problem keeping
    a data connection for as long as you want. One of them being vzw, and
    the other 4 Alltel, and all with various SW versions. I have actually
    never heard of this problem except from you Larry. I mean if both
    companies were admitting a hardware fault, wouldn't there be a class
    action suit brought about already?
  16. Larry

    Larry Guest

    digi <jhardee@gmail.com> wrote in news:22099735-e6e9-4fa8-8ade-
    cd7356f9dfa1@c29g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:

    > I know of 5 e815's off the top of my head that have no problem

    keeping
    > a data connection for as long as you want. One of them being

    vzw, and
    > the other 4 Alltel, and all with various SW versions. I have

    actually
    > never heard of this problem except from you Larry. I mean if

    both
    > companies were admitting a hardware fault, wouldn't there be a

    class
    > action suit brought about already?
    >
    >


    All I know is what Alltel's Data Support told me was the reason I
    was getting a real bargain of a ROKR ($50 after rebate), like a
    new customer. I met someone, just today, who was a new employee
    of Alltel at the local office, and he'd been through FIVE E815
    phones, himself.

    Why would anyone sue them if they make it right? That's stupid!
    The ROKR I got is a helluva lot more phone, dispite its trying to
    sell me something at odd intervals I can't stop, than the E815
    ever was.

    The ROKR ROKs!...(c;

    Larry
    --
    Radio Shack has MotoROKR S9 stereo bluetooth headphones on sale
    for $79. Sounds great with this new ROKR!

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