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Verizon SIM card / SIM lock

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Tropical Haven, Aug 12, 2005.

  1. Given that some of Verizon's phones support the capability, does anybody
    know what a VZW SIM card looks like?

    Also, if you purchase a capable phone, is it locked to VZW's SIM or can
    you purchase a pre-paid SIM card for use in the device?

    Does VZW allow GSM roaming in Canada?

    TH



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  2. "Tropical Haven" <email@example.net> wrote in message
    news:eG5Le.96$TR.28@lakeread08...
    > Given that some of Verizon's phones support the capability, does

    anybody
    > know what a VZW SIM card looks like?
    >
    > Also, if you purchase a capable phone, is it locked to VZW's SIM or

    can
    > you purchase a pre-paid SIM card for use in the device?
    >
    > Does VZW allow GSM roaming in Canada?
    >
    > TH


    The VZW CDMA / GSM combo phones released so far are strictly 900 /
    1800 MHz international GSM only................they won't work on
    North American GSM networks PERIOD.

    GSM roaming in Canada is therefore not possible.

    The phones are locked to VZW.........................other
    international SIMs won't work.

    HTH

    Richard
  3. Joseph wrote:

    >On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:14:36 -0400, Tropical Haven <email@example.net>
    >wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >>Given that some of Verizon's phones support the capability, does anybody
    >>know what a VZW SIM card looks like?
    >>
    >>Also, if you purchase a capable phone, is it locked to VZW's SIM or can
    >>you purchase a pre-paid SIM card for use in the device?
    >>
    >>Does VZW allow GSM roaming in Canada?
    >>
    >>

    >
    >"VZW" does not use SIM cards or even the equivalent R-UIM cards at
    >all. Other CDMA operators such as in China use R-UIM. VZW is CDMA so
    >they of course will not roam on GSM in Canada. VZW will roam on Bell
    >Mobility and Telus Mobility since they are CDMA operators in Canada.
    >- -
    >
    >
    >

    VZW does use SIM cards in capable phones (for example, their CDMA World
    Phones which support GSM in the 900/1800 bands). I didn't think about
    the frequencies of GSM in Canada, as Canada seems like it's closer to
    Europe than the U.S. nowadays. However, I'm guessing that VZW will
    basically roam on any GSM system that Vodafone has a roaming agreement with.

    TH
  4. Steve Sobol

    Steve Sobol Guest

    Tropical Haven wrote:

    >>> Does VZW allow GSM roaming in Canada?


    >> "VZW" does not use SIM cards or even the equivalent R-UIM cards at
    >> all. Other CDMA operators such as in China use R-UIM. VZW is CDMA so
    >> they of course will not roam on GSM in Canada. VZW will roam on Bell
    >> Mobility and Telus Mobility since they are CDMA operators in Canada.
    >>

    > VZW does use SIM cards in capable phones (for example, their CDMA World
    > Phones which support GSM in the 900/1800 bands). I didn't think about
    > the frequencies of GSM in Canada, as Canada seems like it's closer to
    > Europe than the U.S. nowadays.


    GSM in Canada runs at the same frequencies as the US, so a Verizon GSM/CDMA
    hybrid phone will not work in Canada. The GSM/CDMA handsets run on US CDMA
    frequencies and European GSM frequencies.


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  5. Steve Sobol

    Steve Sobol Guest

    Steve Sobol wrote:

    > GSM in Canada runs at the same frequencies as the US, so a Verizon
    > GSM/CDMA hybrid phone will not work in Canada. The GSM/CDMA handsets run
    > on US CDMA frequencies and European GSM frequencies.


    Gah.

    It won't work on Canadian GSM networks, is what I meant to say. Of course
    you can roam on CDMA in Canada. :)


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  6. dr.news

    dr.news Guest

    Yes, the VZW worldphone is locked and useless with any other sim card. dr

    We purchased a VZW worldphone, and then took it to Australia. We purchased
    local pre-paid sim cards (they are all the same size) and put it into the
    phone with No-Joy.

    As others have stated, the VZW worldphone is "locked" so that it only
    supports a VZW sim card. Even CS was surprised to learn this. In our
    situation, they authorized a full-refund of the worldphone AND they gave a
    credit for the purchase of a phone that was unlocked, and which did accept
    the pre-paid sim card. This was 'awesome' customer service from Verizon
    Wireless, unexpected and AwesomE. The phone that did work for us, purchased
    abroad: Motorola camera phone: V550, which we got from Vodophone, unlocked,
    but with the pre-paid vodophone sim, receives no service in USA. dr (could
    be for sale?) With the vodophone sim card, you have to set date/time
    manually.
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    used to)
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    http://free.better-price.biz

    "Tropical Haven" <email@example.net> wrote in message
    news:eG5Le.96$TR.28@lakeread08...
    > Given that some of Verizon's phones support the capability, does anybody
    > know what a VZW SIM card looks like?
    >
    > Also, if you purchase a capable phone, is it locked to VZW's SIM or can
    > you purchase a pre-paid SIM card for use in the device?
    >
    > Does VZW allow GSM roaming in Canada?
    >
    > TH
    >
  7. dr.news wrote:

    >Yes, the VZW worldphone is locked and useless with any other sim card. dr
    >
    >We purchased a VZW worldphone, and then took it to Australia. We purchased
    >local pre-paid sim cards (they are all the same size) and put it into the
    >phone with No-Joy.
    >
    >As others have stated, the VZW worldphone is "locked" so that it only
    >supports a VZW sim card. Even CS was surprised to learn this. In our
    >situation, they authorized a full-refund of the worldphone AND they gave a
    >credit for the purchase of a phone that was unlocked, and which did accept
    >the pre-paid sim card. This was 'awesome' customer service from Verizon
    >Wireless, unexpected and AwesomE. The phone that did work for us, purchased
    >abroad: Motorola camera phone: V550, which we got from Vodophone, unlocked,
    >but with the pre-paid vodophone sim, receives no service in USA. dr (could
    >be for sale?) With the vodophone sim card, you have to set date/time
    >manually.
    >
    >

    Actually, the date/time thing is probably a function of the phone and
    not the SIM card.
  8. >
    >
    >It's actually a combination of having a phone with "NITZ" (Network
    >Initiated Time Zone) and a network that has this function enabled.
    >Many GSM networks do not have NITZ as a feature. In the US
    >cingular/AT&T and T-Mobile have NITZ throughout their networks. In
    >Canada the Rogers network has NITZ while the Fido network does not.
    >Not all GSM handsets support NITZ which is different than CDMA
    >handsets which all have automatic network time update as it's part of
    >the CDMA spec. which runs the network.
    >
    >- -
    >
    >
    >

    Have you heard anything about the Fido network now that Rogers owns it?

    TH

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