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Verizon Wireless Fraud? BEWARE!!!

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by John, Jan 3, 2004.

  1. John

    John Guest

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    oh, and I HAVE SUED people in tha past. 100% success rate!

    John

    John wrote:
    > I cannot accept stupidity. theirs or yours!
    >
    > John
    >
    > Ben Skversky wrote:
    >
    >> After reading your posts, John, I can only conclude that VZW is
    >> shaking in
    >> their boots. Get a life, John.
    >>
    >>
    >> "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    >> news:3FF77FD5.5040206@earthlink.net...
    >>
    >>> yes, it is DECEPTTIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >>>
    >>> that is not negotiable!
    >>>
    >>> see them in court
    >>>
    >>> John
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Richard Ness wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> No, it's NOT ("deceptive").
    >>>> This is the way it's been done since day 1. YOU didn't understand it,

    >>
    >>
    >> plain and simple.
    >>
    >>>> Half a month.... half the minutes. Quarter month... quarter minutes...;

    >>
    >>
    >> and so on.
    >>
    >>>> And, just calm down and ask nicely. You will get the credits and all

    >>
    >>
    >> will be well.
    >>
    >>>> Next bill cycle and it is not an issue anymore.
    >>>>
    >>>> Just for yucks... When is your bill cycle? When did you switch? Do the

    >>
    >>
    >> math.
    >>
    >>>> Oh, FYI sometimes it's best to ask for retroactive. Then, they go back

    >>
    >>
    >> to the beginning
    >>
    >>>> of your bill cycle, credit the old plan, bill the new amount and give

    >>
    >>
    >> you the fill amount of minutes.
    >>
    >>>>
    >>>> "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message

    >>
    >>
    >> news:3FF76DDF.5020007@earthlink.net...
    >>
    >>>>> If they prorate the old and new plan which is the non-deceptive way,

    >>
    >>
    >> then
    >>
    >>>>> that CANNOT BE LESS than 300 minutes. If they do not do that... IT IS

    >>
    >>
    >> DECEPTIVE!!!
    >>
    >>>>> sorry, this is very clear,
    >>>>> John
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Richard Ness wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> The key is PRORATE.
    >>>>>> Did you switch on the exact day of your billing cycle?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> No? Then you will get however many minutes you have signed up for,

    >>
    >>
    >> PRORATED.
    >>
    >>>>>> So, if your billing cycle is the 15th and you switched on the 1st,
    >>>>>> you get 200 minutes if you are on a 400 minute plan. And so on....
    >>>>>> A new plan does NOT change the date of your billing cycle.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> As always, you will get most anything if you approach the person
    >>>>>> on the

    >>
    >>
    >> phone
    >>
    >>>>>> CALMLY. Asking them to admit "fraud" is NOT "calm" in my book. I'd
    >>>>>> bet

    >>
    >>
    >> if you
    >>
    >>>>>> try again and use a bit more tact and diplomacy, you'll get some

    >>
    >>
    >> credits.
    >>
    >>>>>> But, fraud? Sorry. Looks more like a misunderstanding on your part.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message

    >>
    >>
    >> news:3FF767BD.6030206@earthlink.net...
    >>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Dear State Attorney General (of all 50 States):
    >>>>>>> Dear Better Business Bureau (near the most populous 100 cities in
    >>>>>>> the

    >>
    >>
    >> US):
    >>
    >>>>>>> Dear Consumer Reports: (a category for you to use to rank phone

    >>
    >>
    >> providers):
    >>
    >>>>>>> Dear FCC:
    >>>>>>> Dear Department of Commerce:
    >>>>>>> Dear FTC:
    >>>>>>> Dear Online Newsgroups:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> It is my opinion that Verizon Wireless is engaging in fraud.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I recently received a US Mailing encouraging me to switch to a 400

    >>
    >>
    >> peak
    >>
    >>>>>>> monthly minute plan with 1000 mobile to mobile minutes, and
    >>>>>>> unlimited

    >>
    >>
    >> night
    >>
    >>>>>>> and weekend minutes (from a 300 peak monthly minute plan).
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> They said they would prorate the phase in to the new plan.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> In the next monthly billing, I used 292 peak minutes. They somehow
    >>>>>>> prorated my monthly minutes at 178 (!!!) and billed me for 112 peak
    >>>>>>> time minutes for $ 50.40 !!!
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I don't care HOW YOU AVERAGE 300 and 400 minutes, you CANNOT get a

    >>
    >>
    >> number
    >>
    >>>>>>> less than 300 !!!! Unless you failed fifth grade mathematics! So
    >>>>>>> this
    >>>>>>> is clearly a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure

    >>
    >>
    >> unfair
    >>
    >>>>>>> or unlawful gain. The definition of fraud I just looked up on
    >>>>>>> google!
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I called and complained (someone named Cattrell). They refused to

    >>
    >>
    >> refund
    >>
    >>>>>>> my money and to even admit that it was fraud!
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I don't care much about the money. It is now the principle of it.
    >>>>>>> And
    >>>>>>> the fact that they are ripping off people all across the nation with

    >>
    >>
    >> the
    >>
    >>>>>>> same deceptive practice, and I feel it must not only be stopped,
    >>>>>>> they

    >>
    >>
    >> need
    >>
    >>>>>>> to be made accountable for every instance of it.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I assume that a class action suit and investigation will ensue and

    >>
    >>
    >> return
    >>
    >>>>>>> the money to all those who have been ripped off in this manner, and

    >>
    >>
    >> with a
    >>
    >>>>>>> substantial multimillon dollar amount of punitive damages to

    >>
    >>
    >> discourage
    >>
    >>>>>>> such practices in the future.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I look forward to hearing from you that action is being taken. Any

    >>
    >>
    >> lawyer
    >>
    >>>>>>> or agent of the law wishing to pursue this case may contact me for

    >>
    >>
    >> complete
    >>
    >>>>>>> details.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Sincerely,
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> John
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>

    >>
    >>

    >
     



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  2. Justin

    Justin Guest

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    John wrote on [Sun, 04 Jan 2004 03:15:54 GMT]:
    > I cannot accept stupidity. theirs or yours!
    >


    Yet you accept your own
     
  3. John

    John Guest

    Dear State Attorney General (of all 50 States):
    Dear Better Business Bureau (near the most populous 100 cities in the US):
    Dear Consumer Reports: (a category for you to use to rank phone providers):
    Dear FCC:
    Dear Department of Commerce:
    Dear FTC:
    Dear Online Newsgroups:

    It is my opinion that Verizon Wireless is engaging in fraud.

    I recently received a US Mailing encouraging me to switch to a 400 peak
    monthly minute plan with 1000 mobile to mobile minutes, and unlimited night
    and weekend minutes (from a 300 peak monthly minute plan).

    They said they would prorate the phase in to the new plan.

    In the next monthly billing, I used 292 peak minutes. They somehow
    prorated my monthly minutes at 178 (!!!) and billed me for 112 peak
    time minutes for $ 50.40 !!!

    I don't care HOW YOU AVERAGE 300 and 400 minutes, you CANNOT get a number
    less than 300 !!!! Unless you failed fifth grade mathematics! So this
    is clearly a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair
    or unlawful gain. The definition of fraud I just looked up on google!

    I called and complained (someone named Cattrell). They refused to refund
    my money and to even admit that it was fraud!

    I don't care much about the money. It is now the principle of it. And
    the fact that they are ripping off people all across the nation with the
    same deceptive practice, and I feel it must not only be stopped, they need
    to be made accountable for every instance of it.

    I assume that a class action suit and investigation will ensue and return
    the money to all those who have been ripped off in this manner, and with a
    substantial multimillon dollar amount of punitive damages to discourage
    such practices in the future.

    I look forward to hearing from you that action is being taken. Any lawyer
    or agent of the law wishing to pursue this case may contact me for complete
    details.

    Sincerely,

    John
     
  4. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    The key is PRORATE.
    Did you switch on the exact day of your billing cycle?

    No? Then you will get however many minutes you have signed up for, PRORATED.
    So, if your billing cycle is the 15th and you switched on the 1st,
    you get 200 minutes if you are on a 400 minute plan. And so on....
    A new plan does NOT change the date of your billing cycle.

    As always, you will get most anything if you approach the person on the phone
    CALMLY. Asking them to admit "fraud" is NOT "calm" in my book. I'd bet if you
    try again and use a bit more tact and diplomacy, you'll get some credits.

    But, fraud? Sorry. Looks more like a misunderstanding on your part.


    "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:3FF767BD.6030206@earthlink.net...
    > Dear State Attorney General (of all 50 States):
    > Dear Better Business Bureau (near the most populous 100 cities in the US):
    > Dear Consumer Reports: (a category for you to use to rank phone providers):
    > Dear FCC:
    > Dear Department of Commerce:
    > Dear FTC:
    > Dear Online Newsgroups:
    >
    > It is my opinion that Verizon Wireless is engaging in fraud.
    >
    > I recently received a US Mailing encouraging me to switch to a 400 peak
    > monthly minute plan with 1000 mobile to mobile minutes, and unlimited night
    > and weekend minutes (from a 300 peak monthly minute plan).
    >
    > They said they would prorate the phase in to the new plan.
    >
    > In the next monthly billing, I used 292 peak minutes. They somehow
    > prorated my monthly minutes at 178 (!!!) and billed me for 112 peak
    > time minutes for $ 50.40 !!!
    >
    > I don't care HOW YOU AVERAGE 300 and 400 minutes, you CANNOT get a number
    > less than 300 !!!! Unless you failed fifth grade mathematics! So this
    > is clearly a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair
    > or unlawful gain. The definition of fraud I just looked up on google!
    >
    > I called and complained (someone named Cattrell). They refused to refund
    > my money and to even admit that it was fraud!
    >
    > I don't care much about the money. It is now the principle of it. And
    > the fact that they are ripping off people all across the nation with the
    > same deceptive practice, and I feel it must not only be stopped, they need
    > to be made accountable for every instance of it.
    >
    > I assume that a class action suit and investigation will ensue and return
    > the money to all those who have been ripped off in this manner, and with a
    > substantial multimillon dollar amount of punitive damages to discourage
    > such practices in the future.
    >
    > I look forward to hearing from you that action is being taken. Any lawyer
    > or agent of the law wishing to pursue this case may contact me for complete
    > details.
    >
    > Sincerely,
    >
    > John
    >
     
  5. John

    John Guest

    If they prorate the old and new plan which is the non-deceptive way, then
    that CANNOT BE LESS than 300 minutes. If they do not do that... IT IS DECEPTIVE!!!

    sorry, this is very clear,
    John

    Richard Ness wrote:
    > The key is PRORATE.
    > Did you switch on the exact day of your billing cycle?
    >
    > No? Then you will get however many minutes you have signed up for, PRORATED.
    > So, if your billing cycle is the 15th and you switched on the 1st,
    > you get 200 minutes if you are on a 400 minute plan. And so on....
    > A new plan does NOT change the date of your billing cycle.
    >
    > As always, you will get most anything if you approach the person on the phone
    > CALMLY. Asking them to admit "fraud" is NOT "calm" in my book. I'd bet if you
    > try again and use a bit more tact and diplomacy, you'll get some credits.
    >
    > But, fraud? Sorry. Looks more like a misunderstanding on your part.
    >
    >
    > "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:3FF767BD.6030206@earthlink.net...
    >
    >>Dear State Attorney General (of all 50 States):
    >>Dear Better Business Bureau (near the most populous 100 cities in the US):
    >>Dear Consumer Reports: (a category for you to use to rank phone providers):
    >>Dear FCC:
    >>Dear Department of Commerce:
    >>Dear FTC:
    >>Dear Online Newsgroups:
    >>
    >>It is my opinion that Verizon Wireless is engaging in fraud.
    >>
    >>I recently received a US Mailing encouraging me to switch to a 400 peak
    >>monthly minute plan with 1000 mobile to mobile minutes, and unlimited night
    >>and weekend minutes (from a 300 peak monthly minute plan).
    >>
    >>They said they would prorate the phase in to the new plan.
    >>
    >>In the next monthly billing, I used 292 peak minutes. They somehow
    >>prorated my monthly minutes at 178 (!!!) and billed me for 112 peak
    >>time minutes for $ 50.40 !!!
    >>
    >>I don't care HOW YOU AVERAGE 300 and 400 minutes, you CANNOT get a number
    >>less than 300 !!!! Unless you failed fifth grade mathematics! So this
    >>is clearly a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair
    >>or unlawful gain. The definition of fraud I just looked up on google!
    >>
    >>I called and complained (someone named Cattrell). They refused to refund
    >>my money and to even admit that it was fraud!
    >>
    >>I don't care much about the money. It is now the principle of it. And
    >>the fact that they are ripping off people all across the nation with the
    >>same deceptive practice, and I feel it must not only be stopped, they need
    >>to be made accountable for every instance of it.
    >>
    >>I assume that a class action suit and investigation will ensue and return
    >>the money to all those who have been ripped off in this manner, and with a
    >>substantial multimillon dollar amount of punitive damages to discourage
    >>such practices in the future.
    >>
    >>I look forward to hearing from you that action is being taken. Any lawyer
    >>or agent of the law wishing to pursue this case may contact me for complete
    >>details.
    >>
    >>Sincerely,
    >>
    >>John
    >>

    >
    >
    >
     
  6. John

    John Guest

    oh, and I was very calm and cordial until they could not grasp the fifth grade
    math lesson repeatedly!!!!!!

    John

    John wrote:
    > If they prorate the old and new plan which is the non-deceptive way, then
    > that CANNOT BE LESS than 300 minutes. If they do not do that... IT IS
    > DECEPTIVE!!!
    >
    > sorry, this is very clear,
    > John
    >
    > Richard Ness wrote:
    >
    >> The key is PRORATE.
    >> Did you switch on the exact day of your billing cycle?
    >>
    >> No? Then you will get however many minutes you have signed up for,
    >> PRORATED.
    >> So, if your billing cycle is the 15th and you switched on the 1st,
    >> you get 200 minutes if you are on a 400 minute plan. And so on....
    >> A new plan does NOT change the date of your billing cycle.
    >>
    >> As always, you will get most anything if you approach the person on
    >> the phone
    >> CALMLY. Asking them to admit "fraud" is NOT "calm" in my book. I'd bet
    >> if you
    >> try again and use a bit more tact and diplomacy, you'll get some credits.
    >>
    >> But, fraud? Sorry. Looks more like a misunderstanding on your part.
    >>
    >>
    >> "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    >> news:3FF767BD.6030206@earthlink.net...
    >>
    >>> Dear State Attorney General (of all 50 States):
    >>> Dear Better Business Bureau (near the most populous 100 cities in the
    >>> US):
    >>> Dear Consumer Reports: (a category for you to use to rank phone
    >>> providers):
    >>> Dear FCC:
    >>> Dear Department of Commerce:
    >>> Dear FTC:
    >>> Dear Online Newsgroups:
    >>>
    >>> It is my opinion that Verizon Wireless is engaging in fraud.
    >>>
    >>> I recently received a US Mailing encouraging me to switch to a 400 peak
    >>> monthly minute plan with 1000 mobile to mobile minutes, and unlimited
    >>> night
    >>> and weekend minutes (from a 300 peak monthly minute plan).
    >>>
    >>> They said they would prorate the phase in to the new plan.
    >>>
    >>> In the next monthly billing, I used 292 peak minutes. They somehow
    >>> prorated my monthly minutes at 178 (!!!) and billed me for 112 peak
    >>> time minutes for $ 50.40 !!!
    >>>
    >>> I don't care HOW YOU AVERAGE 300 and 400 minutes, you CANNOT get a
    >>> number
    >>> less than 300 !!!! Unless you failed fifth grade mathematics! So this
    >>> is clearly a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair
    >>> or unlawful gain. The definition of fraud I just looked up on google!
    >>>
    >>> I called and complained (someone named Cattrell). They refused to refund
    >>> my money and to even admit that it was fraud!
    >>>
    >>> I don't care much about the money. It is now the principle of it. And
    >>> the fact that they are ripping off people all across the nation with the
    >>> same deceptive practice, and I feel it must not only be stopped, they
    >>> need
    >>> to be made accountable for every instance of it.
    >>>
    >>> I assume that a class action suit and investigation will ensue and
    >>> return
    >>> the money to all those who have been ripped off in this manner, and
    >>> with a
    >>> substantial multimillon dollar amount of punitive damages to discourage
    >>> such practices in the future.
    >>>
    >>> I look forward to hearing from you that action is being taken. Any
    >>> lawyer
    >>> or agent of the law wishing to pursue this case may contact me for
    >>> complete
    >>> details.
    >>>
    >>> Sincerely,
    >>>
    >>> John
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
     
  7. HomieG

    HomieG Guest

    Hmmm, you expect them to take you seriously when your math doesn't add up?
    You say they billed you for 292 peak minutes, 178 pro-rated and 112 peak.
    That equals 290 minutes.
    If you didn't understand the pro-rate at the time of agreeing to the plan,
    you should have asked then.
    Sorry, they are not going to take you seriosly. More a case of ready,
    shoot, aim...
    -HomieG


    "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:3FF767BD.6030206@earthlink.net...
    > Dear State Attorney General (of all 50 States):
    > Dear Better Business Bureau (near the most populous 100 cities in the US):
    > Dear Consumer Reports: (a category for you to use to rank phone

    providers):
    > Dear FCC:
    > Dear Department of Commerce:
    > Dear FTC:
    > Dear Online Newsgroups:
    >
    > It is my opinion that Verizon Wireless is engaging in fraud.
    >
    > I recently received a US Mailing encouraging me to switch to a 400 peak
    > monthly minute plan with 1000 mobile to mobile minutes, and unlimited

    night
    > and weekend minutes (from a 300 peak monthly minute plan).
    >
    > They said they would prorate the phase in to the new plan.
    >
    > In the next monthly billing, I used 292 peak minutes. They somehow
    > prorated my monthly minutes at 178 (!!!) and billed me for 112 peak
    > time minutes for $ 50.40 !!!
    >
    > I don't care HOW YOU AVERAGE 300 and 400 minutes, you CANNOT get a number
    > less than 300 !!!! Unless you failed fifth grade mathematics! So this
    > is clearly a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair
    > or unlawful gain. The definition of fraud I just looked up on google!
    >
    > I called and complained (someone named Cattrell). They refused to refund
    > my money and to even admit that it was fraud!
    >
    > I don't care much about the money. It is now the principle of it. And
    > the fact that they are ripping off people all across the nation with the
    > same deceptive practice, and I feel it must not only be stopped, they need
    > to be made accountable for every instance of it.
    >
    > I assume that a class action suit and investigation will ensue and return
    > the money to all those who have been ripped off in this manner, and with a
    > substantial multimillon dollar amount of punitive damages to discourage
    > such practices in the future.
    >
    > I look forward to hearing from you that action is being taken. Any lawyer
    > or agent of the law wishing to pursue this case may contact me for

    complete
    > details.
    >
    > Sincerely,
    >
    > John
    >
     
  8. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    No, it's NOT ("deceptive").
    This is the way it's been done since day 1. YOU didn't understand it, plain and simple.
    Half a month.... half the minutes. Quarter month... quarter minutes...; and so on.

    And, just calm down and ask nicely. You will get the credits and all will be well.
    Next bill cycle and it is not an issue anymore.

    Just for yucks... When is your bill cycle? When did you switch? Do the math.

    Oh, FYI sometimes it's best to ask for retroactive. Then, they go back to the beginning
    of your bill cycle, credit the old plan, bill the new amount and give you the fill amount of minutes.


    "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:3FF76DDF.5020007@earthlink.net...
    > If they prorate the old and new plan which is the non-deceptive way, then
    > that CANNOT BE LESS than 300 minutes. If they do not do that... IT IS DECEPTIVE!!!
    >
    > sorry, this is very clear,
    > John
    >
    > Richard Ness wrote:
    > > The key is PRORATE.
    > > Did you switch on the exact day of your billing cycle?
    > >
    > > No? Then you will get however many minutes you have signed up for, PRORATED.
    > > So, if your billing cycle is the 15th and you switched on the 1st,
    > > you get 200 minutes if you are on a 400 minute plan. And so on....
    > > A new plan does NOT change the date of your billing cycle.
    > >
    > > As always, you will get most anything if you approach the person on the phone
    > > CALMLY. Asking them to admit "fraud" is NOT "calm" in my book. I'd bet if you
    > > try again and use a bit more tact and diplomacy, you'll get some credits.
    > >
    > > But, fraud? Sorry. Looks more like a misunderstanding on your part.
    > >
    > >
    > > "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:3FF767BD.6030206@earthlink.net...
    > >
    > >>Dear State Attorney General (of all 50 States):
    > >>Dear Better Business Bureau (near the most populous 100 cities in the US):
    > >>Dear Consumer Reports: (a category for you to use to rank phone providers):
    > >>Dear FCC:
    > >>Dear Department of Commerce:
    > >>Dear FTC:
    > >>Dear Online Newsgroups:
    > >>
    > >>It is my opinion that Verizon Wireless is engaging in fraud.
    > >>
    > >>I recently received a US Mailing encouraging me to switch to a 400 peak
    > >>monthly minute plan with 1000 mobile to mobile minutes, and unlimited night
    > >>and weekend minutes (from a 300 peak monthly minute plan).
    > >>
    > >>They said they would prorate the phase in to the new plan.
    > >>
    > >>In the next monthly billing, I used 292 peak minutes. They somehow
    > >>prorated my monthly minutes at 178 (!!!) and billed me for 112 peak
    > >>time minutes for $ 50.40 !!!
    > >>
    > >>I don't care HOW YOU AVERAGE 300 and 400 minutes, you CANNOT get a number
    > >>less than 300 !!!! Unless you failed fifth grade mathematics! So this
    > >>is clearly a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair
    > >>or unlawful gain. The definition of fraud I just looked up on google!
    > >>
    > >>I called and complained (someone named Cattrell). They refused to refund
    > >>my money and to even admit that it was fraud!
    > >>
    > >>I don't care much about the money. It is now the principle of it. And
    > >>the fact that they are ripping off people all across the nation with the
    > >>same deceptive practice, and I feel it must not only be stopped, they need
    > >>to be made accountable for every instance of it.
    > >>
    > >>I assume that a class action suit and investigation will ensue and return
    > >>the money to all those who have been ripped off in this manner, and with a
    > >>substantial multimillon dollar amount of punitive damages to discourage
    > >>such practices in the future.
    > >>
    > >>I look forward to hearing from you that action is being taken. Any lawyer
    > >>or agent of the law wishing to pursue this case may contact me for complete
    > >>details.
    > >>
    > >>Sincerely,
    > >>
    > >>John
    > >>

    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
     
  9. JG

    JG Guest

    I think you guys are missing the point.
    What he is saying is that if his billing cycle was on the first and he
    switched half way through the month, he can't have less time than
    before. It has to be more time than before. Or put it this way, if you
    switch from a 300 minute plan half way through the month, you should get
    150 minutes prorated from that 300 minute plan and 200 minutes from the
    new 400 minute plan.
    Thus 350 minutes should have been available during the month.
    Yet the total monthly minutes used were 292 and only 178 were allowed.

    HomieG wrote:
    > Hmmm, you expect them to take you seriously when your math doesn't add up?
    > You say they billed you for 292 peak minutes, 178 pro-rated and 112 peak.
    > That equals 290 minutes.
    > If you didn't understand the pro-rate at the time of agreeing to the plan,
    > you should have asked then.
    > Sorry, they are not going to take you seriosly. More a case of ready,
    > shoot, aim...
    > -HomieG
    >
    >
    > "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > news:3FF767BD.6030206@earthlink.net...
    >
    >>Dear State Attorney General (of all 50 States):
    >>Dear Better Business Bureau (near the most populous 100 cities in the US):
    >>Dear Consumer Reports: (a category for you to use to rank phone

    >
    > providers):
    >
    >>Dear FCC:
    >>Dear Department of Commerce:
    >>Dear FTC:
    >>Dear Online Newsgroups:
    >>
    >>It is my opinion that Verizon Wireless is engaging in fraud.
    >>
    >>I recently received a US Mailing encouraging me to switch to a 400 peak
    >>monthly minute plan with 1000 mobile to mobile minutes, and unlimited

    >
    > night
    >
    >>and weekend minutes (from a 300 peak monthly minute plan).
    >>
    >>They said they would prorate the phase in to the new plan.
    >>
    >>In the next monthly billing, I used 292 peak minutes. They somehow
    >>prorated my monthly minutes at 178 (!!!) and billed me for 112 peak
    >>time minutes for $ 50.40 !!!
    >>
    >>I don't care HOW YOU AVERAGE 300 and 400 minutes, you CANNOT get a number
    >>less than 300 !!!! Unless you failed fifth grade mathematics! So this
    >>is clearly a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair
    >>or unlawful gain. The definition of fraud I just looked up on google!
    >>
    >>I called and complained (someone named Cattrell). They refused to refund
    >>my money and to even admit that it was fraud!
    >>
    >>I don't care much about the money. It is now the principle of it. And
    >>the fact that they are ripping off people all across the nation with the
    >>same deceptive practice, and I feel it must not only be stopped, they need
    >>to be made accountable for every instance of it.
    >>
    >>I assume that a class action suit and investigation will ensue and return
    >>the money to all those who have been ripped off in this manner, and with a
    >>substantial multimillon dollar amount of punitive damages to discourage
    >>such practices in the future.
    >>
    >>I look forward to hearing from you that action is being taken. Any lawyer
    >>or agent of the law wishing to pursue this case may contact me for

    >
    > complete
    >
    >>details.
    >>
    >>Sincerely,
    >>
    >>John
    >>

    >
    >
    >
     
  10. HomieG

    HomieG Guest

    You did a much better job of explaining this, and you make sense. Maybe you
    ought to hire your services out to represent the original poster!
    However, if he came out with all barrels blazing to Verizon, no doubt they
    would not take him seriously. He accuses them of fraud. Perhaps it was an
    error? Those do still occur...but when someone writes a note like he
    originally did, and even says that he asked Verizon to admit fraud, well,
    all bets are pretty much off at that point.
    Anyways, your posts makes sense, and if he would explain it with the actual
    dates for the change, maybe the group (and even Verizon) would help.
    -HomieG

    "JG" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
    news:KvKJb.22186$nK2.11499@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
    > I think you guys are missing the point.
    > What he is saying is that if his billing cycle was on the first and he
    > switched half way through the month, he can't have less time than
    > before. It has to be more time than before. Or put it this way, if you
    > switch from a 300 minute plan half way through the month, you should get
    > 150 minutes prorated from that 300 minute plan and 200 minutes from the
    > new 400 minute plan.
    > Thus 350 minutes should have been available during the month.
    > Yet the total monthly minutes used were 292 and only 178 were allowed.
    >
    > HomieG wrote:
    > > Hmmm, you expect them to take you seriously when your math doesn't add

    up?
    > > You say they billed you for 292 peak minutes, 178 pro-rated and 112

    peak.
    > > That equals 290 minutes.
    > > If you didn't understand the pro-rate at the time of agreeing to the

    plan,
    > > you should have asked then.
    > > Sorry, they are not going to take you seriosly. More a case of ready,
    > > shoot, aim...
    > > -HomieG
    > >
    > >
    > > "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > > news:3FF767BD.6030206@earthlink.net...
    > >
    > >>Dear State Attorney General (of all 50 States):
    > >>Dear Better Business Bureau (near the most populous 100 cities in the

    US):
    > >>Dear Consumer Reports: (a category for you to use to rank phone

    > >
    > > providers):
    > >
    > >>Dear FCC:
    > >>Dear Department of Commerce:
    > >>Dear FTC:
    > >>Dear Online Newsgroups:
    > >>
    > >>It is my opinion that Verizon Wireless is engaging in fraud.
    > >>
    > >>I recently received a US Mailing encouraging me to switch to a 400 peak
    > >>monthly minute plan with 1000 mobile to mobile minutes, and unlimited

    > >
    > > night
    > >
    > >>and weekend minutes (from a 300 peak monthly minute plan).
    > >>
    > >>They said they would prorate the phase in to the new plan.
    > >>
    > >>In the next monthly billing, I used 292 peak minutes. They somehow
    > >>prorated my monthly minutes at 178 (!!!) and billed me for 112 peak
    > >>time minutes for $ 50.40 !!!
    > >>
    > >>I don't care HOW YOU AVERAGE 300 and 400 minutes, you CANNOT get a

    number
    > >>less than 300 !!!! Unless you failed fifth grade mathematics! So this
    > >>is clearly a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair
    > >>or unlawful gain. The definition of fraud I just looked up on google!
    > >>
    > >>I called and complained (someone named Cattrell). They refused to refund
    > >>my money and to even admit that it was fraud!
    > >>
    > >>I don't care much about the money. It is now the principle of it. And
    > >>the fact that they are ripping off people all across the nation with the
    > >>same deceptive practice, and I feel it must not only be stopped, they

    need
    > >>to be made accountable for every instance of it.
    > >>
    > >>I assume that a class action suit and investigation will ensue and

    return
    > >>the money to all those who have been ripped off in this manner, and with

    a
    > >>substantial multimillon dollar amount of punitive damages to discourage
    > >>such practices in the future.
    > >>
    > >>I look forward to hearing from you that action is being taken. Any

    lawyer
    > >>or agent of the law wishing to pursue this case may contact me for

    > >
    > > complete
    > >
    > >>details.
    > >>
    > >>Sincerely,
    > >>
    > >>John
    > >>

    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
     
  11. John

    John Guest

    yes, it is DECEPTTIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    that is not negotiable!

    see them in court

    John


    Richard Ness wrote:
    > No, it's NOT ("deceptive").
    > This is the way it's been done since day 1. YOU didn't understand it, plain and simple.
    > Half a month.... half the minutes. Quarter month... quarter minutes...; and so on.
    >
    > And, just calm down and ask nicely. You will get the credits and all will be well.
    > Next bill cycle and it is not an issue anymore.
    >
    > Just for yucks... When is your bill cycle? When did you switch? Do the math.
    >
    > Oh, FYI sometimes it's best to ask for retroactive. Then, they go back to the beginning
    > of your bill cycle, credit the old plan, bill the new amount and give you the fill amount of minutes.
    >
    >
    > "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:3FF76DDF.5020007@earthlink.net...
    >
    >>If they prorate the old and new plan which is the non-deceptive way, then
    >>that CANNOT BE LESS than 300 minutes. If they do not do that... IT IS DECEPTIVE!!!
    >>
    >>sorry, this is very clear,
    >>John
    >>
    >>Richard Ness wrote:
    >>
    >>>The key is PRORATE.
    >>>Did you switch on the exact day of your billing cycle?
    >>>
    >>>No? Then you will get however many minutes you have signed up for, PRORATED.
    >>>So, if your billing cycle is the 15th and you switched on the 1st,
    >>>you get 200 minutes if you are on a 400 minute plan. And so on....
    >>>A new plan does NOT change the date of your billing cycle.
    >>>
    >>>As always, you will get most anything if you approach the person on the phone
    >>>CALMLY. Asking them to admit "fraud" is NOT "calm" in my book. I'd bet if you
    >>>try again and use a bit more tact and diplomacy, you'll get some credits.
    >>>
    >>>But, fraud? Sorry. Looks more like a misunderstanding on your part.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>"John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:3FF767BD.6030206@earthlink.net...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Dear State Attorney General (of all 50 States):
    >>>>Dear Better Business Bureau (near the most populous 100 cities in the US):
    >>>>Dear Consumer Reports: (a category for you to use to rank phone providers):
    >>>>Dear FCC:
    >>>>Dear Department of Commerce:
    >>>>Dear FTC:
    >>>>Dear Online Newsgroups:
    >>>>
    >>>>It is my opinion that Verizon Wireless is engaging in fraud.
    >>>>
    >>>>I recently received a US Mailing encouraging me to switch to a 400 peak
    >>>>monthly minute plan with 1000 mobile to mobile minutes, and unlimited night
    >>>>and weekend minutes (from a 300 peak monthly minute plan).
    >>>>
    >>>>They said they would prorate the phase in to the new plan.
    >>>>
    >>>>In the next monthly billing, I used 292 peak minutes. They somehow
    >>>>prorated my monthly minutes at 178 (!!!) and billed me for 112 peak
    >>>>time minutes for $ 50.40 !!!
    >>>>
    >>>>I don't care HOW YOU AVERAGE 300 and 400 minutes, you CANNOT get a number
    >>>>less than 300 !!!! Unless you failed fifth grade mathematics! So this
    >>>>is clearly a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair
    >>>>or unlawful gain. The definition of fraud I just looked up on google!
    >>>>
    >>>>I called and complained (someone named Cattrell). They refused to refund
    >>>>my money and to even admit that it was fraud!
    >>>>
    >>>>I don't care much about the money. It is now the principle of it. And
    >>>>the fact that they are ripping off people all across the nation with the
    >>>>same deceptive practice, and I feel it must not only be stopped, they need
    >>>>to be made accountable for every instance of it.
    >>>>
    >>>>I assume that a class action suit and investigation will ensue and return
    >>>>the money to all those who have been ripped off in this manner, and with a
    >>>>substantial multimillon dollar amount of punitive damages to discourage
    >>>>such practices in the future.
    >>>>
    >>>>I look forward to hearing from you that action is being taken. Any lawyer
    >>>>or agent of the law wishing to pursue this case may contact me for complete
    >>>>details.
    >>>>
    >>>>Sincerely,
    >>>>
    >>>>John
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >
    >
     
  12. John

    John Guest

    you obviously failed fifth grade math. an average between 300 and 400
    CANNOT be less than 300.

    What is your Verizon badge number? I'll let them know you have been
    a good Pavlov dog.

    John


    HomieG wrote:
    > Hmmm, you expect them to take you seriously when your math doesn't add up?
    > You say they billed you for 292 peak minutes, 178 pro-rated and 112 peak.
    > That equals 290 minutes.
    > If you didn't understand the pro-rate at the time of agreeing to the plan,
    > you should have asked then.
    > Sorry, they are not going to take you seriosly. More a case of ready,
    > shoot, aim...
    > -HomieG
    >
    >
    > "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > news:3FF767BD.6030206@earthlink.net...
    >
    >>Dear State Attorney General (of all 50 States):
    >>Dear Better Business Bureau (near the most populous 100 cities in the US):
    >>Dear Consumer Reports: (a category for you to use to rank phone

    >
    > providers):
    >
    >>Dear FCC:
    >>Dear Department of Commerce:
    >>Dear FTC:
    >>Dear Online Newsgroups:
    >>
    >>It is my opinion that Verizon Wireless is engaging in fraud.
    >>
    >>I recently received a US Mailing encouraging me to switch to a 400 peak
    >>monthly minute plan with 1000 mobile to mobile minutes, and unlimited

    >
    > night
    >
    >>and weekend minutes (from a 300 peak monthly minute plan).
    >>
    >>They said they would prorate the phase in to the new plan.
    >>
    >>In the next monthly billing, I used 292 peak minutes. They somehow
    >>prorated my monthly minutes at 178 (!!!) and billed me for 112 peak
    >>time minutes for $ 50.40 !!!
    >>
    >>I don't care HOW YOU AVERAGE 300 and 400 minutes, you CANNOT get a number
    >>less than 300 !!!! Unless you failed fifth grade mathematics! So this
    >>is clearly a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair
    >>or unlawful gain. The definition of fraud I just looked up on google!
    >>
    >>I called and complained (someone named Cattrell). They refused to refund
    >>my money and to even admit that it was fraud!
    >>
    >>I don't care much about the money. It is now the principle of it. And
    >>the fact that they are ripping off people all across the nation with the
    >>same deceptive practice, and I feel it must not only be stopped, they need
    >>to be made accountable for every instance of it.
    >>
    >>I assume that a class action suit and investigation will ensue and return
    >>the money to all those who have been ripped off in this manner, and with a
    >>substantial multimillon dollar amount of punitive damages to discourage
    >>such practices in the future.
    >>
    >>I look forward to hearing from you that action is being taken. Any lawyer
    >>or agent of the law wishing to pursue this case may contact me for

    >
    > complete
    >
    >>details.
    >>
    >>Sincerely,
    >>
    >>John
    >>

    >
    >
    >
     
  13. John

    John Guest

    I'm betting on the Attorney's General.

    Not the Verizon card carrying imbeciles that also post here.

    John

    HomieG wrote:
    > You did a much better job of explaining this, and you make sense. Maybe you
    > ought to hire your services out to represent the original poster!
    > However, if he came out with all barrels blazing to Verizon, no doubt they
    > would not take him seriously. He accuses them of fraud. Perhaps it was an
    > error? Those do still occur...but when someone writes a note like he
    > originally did, and even says that he asked Verizon to admit fraud, well,
    > all bets are pretty much off at that point.
    > Anyways, your posts makes sense, and if he would explain it with the actual
    > dates for the change, maybe the group (and even Verizon) would help.
    > -HomieG
    >
    > "JG" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
    > news:KvKJb.22186$nK2.11499@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
    >
    >>I think you guys are missing the point.
    >>What he is saying is that if his billing cycle was on the first and he
    >>switched half way through the month, he can't have less time than
    >>before. It has to be more time than before. Or put it this way, if you
    >>switch from a 300 minute plan half way through the month, you should get
    >>150 minutes prorated from that 300 minute plan and 200 minutes from the
    >>new 400 minute plan.
    >>Thus 350 minutes should have been available during the month.
    >>Yet the total monthly minutes used were 292 and only 178 were allowed.
    >>
    >>HomieG wrote:
    >>
    >>>Hmmm, you expect them to take you seriously when your math doesn't add

    >
    > up?
    >
    >>>You say they billed you for 292 peak minutes, 178 pro-rated and 112

    >
    > peak.
    >
    >>>That equals 290 minutes.
    >>>If you didn't understand the pro-rate at the time of agreeing to the

    >
    > plan,
    >
    >>>you should have asked then.
    >>>Sorry, they are not going to take you seriosly. More a case of ready,
    >>>shoot, aim...
    >>>-HomieG
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>"John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    >>>news:3FF767BD.6030206@earthlink.net...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Dear State Attorney General (of all 50 States):
    >>>>Dear Better Business Bureau (near the most populous 100 cities in the

    >
    > US):
    >
    >>>>Dear Consumer Reports: (a category for you to use to rank phone
    >>>
    >>>providers):
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Dear FCC:
    >>>>Dear Department of Commerce:
    >>>>Dear FTC:
    >>>>Dear Online Newsgroups:
    >>>>
    >>>>It is my opinion that Verizon Wireless is engaging in fraud.
    >>>>
    >>>>I recently received a US Mailing encouraging me to switch to a 400 peak
    >>>>monthly minute plan with 1000 mobile to mobile minutes, and unlimited
    >>>
    >>>night
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>and weekend minutes (from a 300 peak monthly minute plan).
    >>>>
    >>>>They said they would prorate the phase in to the new plan.
    >>>>
    >>>>In the next monthly billing, I used 292 peak minutes. They somehow
    >>>>prorated my monthly minutes at 178 (!!!) and billed me for 112 peak
    >>>>time minutes for $ 50.40 !!!
    >>>>
    >>>>I don't care HOW YOU AVERAGE 300 and 400 minutes, you CANNOT get a

    >
    > number
    >
    >>>>less than 300 !!!! Unless you failed fifth grade mathematics! So this
    >>>>is clearly a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair
    >>>>or unlawful gain. The definition of fraud I just looked up on google!
    >>>>
    >>>>I called and complained (someone named Cattrell). They refused to refund
    >>>>my money and to even admit that it was fraud!
    >>>>
    >>>>I don't care much about the money. It is now the principle of it. And
    >>>>the fact that they are ripping off people all across the nation with the
    >>>>same deceptive practice, and I feel it must not only be stopped, they

    >
    > need
    >
    >>>>to be made accountable for every instance of it.
    >>>>
    >>>>I assume that a class action suit and investigation will ensue and

    >
    > return
    >
    >>>>the money to all those who have been ripped off in this manner, and with

    >
    > a
    >
    >>>>substantial multimillon dollar amount of punitive damages to discourage
    >>>>such practices in the future.
    >>>>
    >>>>I look forward to hearing from you that action is being taken. Any

    >
    > lawyer
    >
    >>>>or agent of the law wishing to pursue this case may contact me for
    >>>
    >>>complete
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>details.
    >>>>
    >>>>Sincerely,
    >>>>
    >>>>John
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >
    >
     
  14. John

    John Guest

    finally, someone with a BRAIN!

    It never ceases to amaze me how stupid most people are!

    NO AVERAGE PRORATE between 300 and 400 can be LESS THAN
    300!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Unless FRAUD is involved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    thank you. one person understands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    and laywers will jump on it... billions to be made here!!!!!

    John

    JG wrote:
    > I think you guys are missing the point.
    > What he is saying is that if his billing cycle was on the first and he
    > switched half way through the month, he can't have less time than
    > before. It has to be more time than before. Or put it this way, if you
    > switch from a 300 minute plan half way through the month, you should get
    > 150 minutes prorated from that 300 minute plan and 200 minutes from the
    > new 400 minute plan.
    > Thus 350 minutes should have been available during the month.
    > Yet the total monthly minutes used were 292 and only 178 were allowed.
    >
    > HomieG wrote:
    >
    >> Hmmm, you expect them to take you seriously when your math doesn't add
    >> up?
    >> You say they billed you for 292 peak minutes, 178 pro-rated and 112 peak.
    >> That equals 290 minutes.
    >> If you didn't understand the pro-rate at the time of agreeing to the
    >> plan,
    >> you should have asked then.
    >> Sorry, they are not going to take you seriosly. More a case of ready,
    >> shoot, aim...
    >> -HomieG
    >>
    >>
    >> "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    >> news:3FF767BD.6030206@earthlink.net...
    >>
    >>> Dear State Attorney General (of all 50 States):
    >>> Dear Better Business Bureau (near the most populous 100 cities in the
    >>> US):
    >>> Dear Consumer Reports: (a category for you to use to rank phone

    >>
    >>
    >> providers):
    >>
    >>> Dear FCC:
    >>> Dear Department of Commerce:
    >>> Dear FTC:
    >>> Dear Online Newsgroups:
    >>>
    >>> It is my opinion that Verizon Wireless is engaging in fraud.
    >>>
    >>> I recently received a US Mailing encouraging me to switch to a 400 peak
    >>> monthly minute plan with 1000 mobile to mobile minutes, and unlimited

    >>
    >>
    >> night
    >>
    >>> and weekend minutes (from a 300 peak monthly minute plan).
    >>>
    >>> They said they would prorate the phase in to the new plan.
    >>>
    >>> In the next monthly billing, I used 292 peak minutes. They somehow
    >>> prorated my monthly minutes at 178 (!!!) and billed me for 112 peak
    >>> time minutes for $ 50.40 !!!
    >>>
    >>> I don't care HOW YOU AVERAGE 300 and 400 minutes, you CANNOT get a
    >>> number
    >>> less than 300 !!!! Unless you failed fifth grade mathematics! So this
    >>> is clearly a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair
    >>> or unlawful gain. The definition of fraud I just looked up on google!
    >>>
    >>> I called and complained (someone named Cattrell). They refused to refund
    >>> my money and to even admit that it was fraud!
    >>>
    >>> I don't care much about the money. It is now the principle of it. And
    >>> the fact that they are ripping off people all across the nation with the
    >>> same deceptive practice, and I feel it must not only be stopped, they
    >>> need
    >>> to be made accountable for every instance of it.
    >>>
    >>> I assume that a class action suit and investigation will ensue and
    >>> return
    >>> the money to all those who have been ripped off in this manner, and
    >>> with a
    >>> substantial multimillon dollar amount of punitive damages to discourage
    >>> such practices in the future.
    >>>
    >>> I look forward to hearing from you that action is being taken. Any
    >>> lawyer
    >>> or agent of the law wishing to pursue this case may contact me for

    >>
    >>
    >> complete
    >>
    >>> details.
    >>>
    >>> Sincerely,
    >>>
    >>> John
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
     
  15. "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:3FF78094.3050406@earthlink.net...
    > I'm betting on the Attorney's General.
    >
    > Not the Verizon card carrying imbeciles that also post here.
    >


    Better to be one of those than a bitchy, condescending, piece of crap with
    absolutely no people skills.
     
  16. Ben Skversky

    Ben Skversky Guest

    After reading your posts, John, I can only conclude that VZW is shaking in
    their boots. Get a life, John.


    "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:3FF77FD5.5040206@earthlink.net...
    > yes, it is DECEPTTIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >
    > that is not negotiable!
    >
    > see them in court
    >
    > John
    >
    >
    > Richard Ness wrote:
    > > No, it's NOT ("deceptive").
    > > This is the way it's been done since day 1. YOU didn't understand it,

    plain and simple.
    > > Half a month.... half the minutes. Quarter month... quarter minutes...;

    and so on.
    > >
    > > And, just calm down and ask nicely. You will get the credits and all

    will be well.
    > > Next bill cycle and it is not an issue anymore.
    > >
    > > Just for yucks... When is your bill cycle? When did you switch? Do the

    math.
    > >
    > > Oh, FYI sometimes it's best to ask for retroactive. Then, they go back

    to the beginning
    > > of your bill cycle, credit the old plan, bill the new amount and give

    you the fill amount of minutes.
    > >
    > >
    > > "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message

    news:3FF76DDF.5020007@earthlink.net...
    > >
    > >>If they prorate the old and new plan which is the non-deceptive way,

    then
    > >>that CANNOT BE LESS than 300 minutes. If they do not do that... IT IS

    DECEPTIVE!!!
    > >>
    > >>sorry, this is very clear,
    > >>John
    > >>
    > >>Richard Ness wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>The key is PRORATE.
    > >>>Did you switch on the exact day of your billing cycle?
    > >>>
    > >>>No? Then you will get however many minutes you have signed up for,

    PRORATED.
    > >>>So, if your billing cycle is the 15th and you switched on the 1st,
    > >>>you get 200 minutes if you are on a 400 minute plan. And so on....
    > >>>A new plan does NOT change the date of your billing cycle.
    > >>>
    > >>>As always, you will get most anything if you approach the person on the

    phone
    > >>>CALMLY. Asking them to admit "fraud" is NOT "calm" in my book. I'd bet

    if you
    > >>>try again and use a bit more tact and diplomacy, you'll get some

    credits.
    > >>>
    > >>>But, fraud? Sorry. Looks more like a misunderstanding on your part.
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>"John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message

    news:3FF767BD.6030206@earthlink.net...
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>>Dear State Attorney General (of all 50 States):
    > >>>>Dear Better Business Bureau (near the most populous 100 cities in the

    US):
    > >>>>Dear Consumer Reports: (a category for you to use to rank phone

    providers):
    > >>>>Dear FCC:
    > >>>>Dear Department of Commerce:
    > >>>>Dear FTC:
    > >>>>Dear Online Newsgroups:
    > >>>>
    > >>>>It is my opinion that Verizon Wireless is engaging in fraud.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>I recently received a US Mailing encouraging me to switch to a 400

    peak
    > >>>>monthly minute plan with 1000 mobile to mobile minutes, and unlimited

    night
    > >>>>and weekend minutes (from a 300 peak monthly minute plan).
    > >>>>
    > >>>>They said they would prorate the phase in to the new plan.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>In the next monthly billing, I used 292 peak minutes. They somehow
    > >>>>prorated my monthly minutes at 178 (!!!) and billed me for 112 peak
    > >>>>time minutes for $ 50.40 !!!
    > >>>>
    > >>>>I don't care HOW YOU AVERAGE 300 and 400 minutes, you CANNOT get a

    number
    > >>>>less than 300 !!!! Unless you failed fifth grade mathematics! So this
    > >>>>is clearly a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure

    unfair
    > >>>>or unlawful gain. The definition of fraud I just looked up on google!
    > >>>>
    > >>>>I called and complained (someone named Cattrell). They refused to

    refund
    > >>>>my money and to even admit that it was fraud!
    > >>>>
    > >>>>I don't care much about the money. It is now the principle of it. And
    > >>>>the fact that they are ripping off people all across the nation with

    the
    > >>>>same deceptive practice, and I feel it must not only be stopped, they

    need
    > >>>>to be made accountable for every instance of it.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>I assume that a class action suit and investigation will ensue and

    return
    > >>>>the money to all those who have been ripped off in this manner, and

    with a
    > >>>>substantial multimillon dollar amount of punitive damages to

    discourage
    > >>>>such practices in the future.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>I look forward to hearing from you that action is being taken. Any

    lawyer
    > >>>>or agent of the law wishing to pursue this case may contact me for

    complete
    > >>>>details.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>Sincerely,
    > >>>>
    > >>>>John
    > >>>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>

    > >
    > >

    >
     
  17. John

    John Guest

    I explained it perfectly. I can't help it if you were too stupid
    to undestand it without translation. It never ceases to amaze
    me how stupid people are.

    John

    HomieG wrote:
    > You did a much better job of explaining this, and you make sense. Maybe you
    > ought to hire your services out to represent the original poster!
    > However, if he came out with all barrels blazing to Verizon, no doubt they
    > would not take him seriously. He accuses them of fraud. Perhaps it was an
    > error? Those do still occur...but when someone writes a note like he
    > originally did, and even says that he asked Verizon to admit fraud, well,
    > all bets are pretty much off at that point.
    > Anyways, your posts makes sense, and if he would explain it with the actual
    > dates for the change, maybe the group (and even Verizon) would help.
    > -HomieG
    >
    > "JG" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
    > news:KvKJb.22186$nK2.11499@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
    >
    >>I think you guys are missing the point.
    >>What he is saying is that if his billing cycle was on the first and he
    >>switched half way through the month, he can't have less time than
    >>before. It has to be more time than before. Or put it this way, if you
    >>switch from a 300 minute plan half way through the month, you should get
    >>150 minutes prorated from that 300 minute plan and 200 minutes from the
    >>new 400 minute plan.
    >>Thus 350 minutes should have been available during the month.
    >>Yet the total monthly minutes used were 292 and only 178 were allowed.
    >>
    >>HomieG wrote:
    >>
    >>>Hmmm, you expect them to take you seriously when your math doesn't add

    >
    > up?
    >
    >>>You say they billed you for 292 peak minutes, 178 pro-rated and 112

    >
    > peak.
    >
    >>>That equals 290 minutes.
    >>>If you didn't understand the pro-rate at the time of agreeing to the

    >
    > plan,
    >
    >>>you should have asked then.
    >>>Sorry, they are not going to take you seriosly. More a case of ready,
    >>>shoot, aim...
    >>>-HomieG
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>"John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    >>>news:3FF767BD.6030206@earthlink.net...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Dear State Attorney General (of all 50 States):
    >>>>Dear Better Business Bureau (near the most populous 100 cities in the

    >
    > US):
    >
    >>>>Dear Consumer Reports: (a category for you to use to rank phone
    >>>
    >>>providers):
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Dear FCC:
    >>>>Dear Department of Commerce:
    >>>>Dear FTC:
    >>>>Dear Online Newsgroups:
    >>>>
    >>>>It is my opinion that Verizon Wireless is engaging in fraud.
    >>>>
    >>>>I recently received a US Mailing encouraging me to switch to a 400 peak
    >>>>monthly minute plan with 1000 mobile to mobile minutes, and unlimited
    >>>
    >>>night
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>and weekend minutes (from a 300 peak monthly minute plan).
    >>>>
    >>>>They said they would prorate the phase in to the new plan.
    >>>>
    >>>>In the next monthly billing, I used 292 peak minutes. They somehow
    >>>>prorated my monthly minutes at 178 (!!!) and billed me for 112 peak
    >>>>time minutes for $ 50.40 !!!
    >>>>
    >>>>I don't care HOW YOU AVERAGE 300 and 400 minutes, you CANNOT get a

    >
    > number
    >
    >>>>less than 300 !!!! Unless you failed fifth grade mathematics! So this
    >>>>is clearly a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair
    >>>>or unlawful gain. The definition of fraud I just looked up on google!
    >>>>
    >>>>I called and complained (someone named Cattrell). They refused to refund
    >>>>my money and to even admit that it was fraud!
    >>>>
    >>>>I don't care much about the money. It is now the principle of it. And
    >>>>the fact that they are ripping off people all across the nation with the
    >>>>same deceptive practice, and I feel it must not only be stopped, they

    >
    > need
    >
    >>>>to be made accountable for every instance of it.
    >>>>
    >>>>I assume that a class action suit and investigation will ensue and

    >
    > return
    >
    >>>>the money to all those who have been ripped off in this manner, and with

    >
    > a
    >
    >>>>substantial multimillon dollar amount of punitive damages to discourage
    >>>>such practices in the future.
    >>>>
    >>>>I look forward to hearing from you that action is being taken. Any

    >
    > lawyer
    >
    >>>>or agent of the law wishing to pursue this case may contact me for
    >>>
    >>>complete
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>details.
    >>>>
    >>>>Sincerely,
    >>>>
    >>>>John
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >
    >
     
  18. "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:3FF78337.5000505@earthlink.net...
    > finally, someone with a BRAIN!
    >
    > It never ceases to amaze me how stupid most people are!
    >
    > NO AVERAGE PRORATE between 300 and 400 can be LESS THAN
    > 300!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >
    > Unless FRAUD is involved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >
    > thank you. one person understands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >
    > and laywers will jump on it... billions to be made here!!!!!
    >


    OK Einstein- follow along real close.

    First, your attitude sucks (got that).

    Second, your use of the 'fraud' is laughable. This is quite obviously a
    billing error to anyone who has a brain- see if you can find yours. If you
    approached VZ the way you started here, its no wonder you didn't get
    anywhere.
     
  19. John

    John Guest

    I cannot accept stupidity. theirs or yours!

    John

    Ben Skversky wrote:
    > After reading your posts, John, I can only conclude that VZW is shaking in
    > their boots. Get a life, John.
    >
    >
    > "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > news:3FF77FD5.5040206@earthlink.net...
    >
    >>yes, it is DECEPTTIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >>
    >>that is not negotiable!
    >>
    >>see them in court
    >>
    >>John
    >>
    >>
    >>Richard Ness wrote:
    >>
    >>>No, it's NOT ("deceptive").
    >>>This is the way it's been done since day 1. YOU didn't understand it,

    >
    > plain and simple.
    >
    >>>Half a month.... half the minutes. Quarter month... quarter minutes...;

    >
    > and so on.
    >
    >>>And, just calm down and ask nicely. You will get the credits and all

    >
    > will be well.
    >
    >>>Next bill cycle and it is not an issue anymore.
    >>>
    >>>Just for yucks... When is your bill cycle? When did you switch? Do the

    >
    > math.
    >
    >>>Oh, FYI sometimes it's best to ask for retroactive. Then, they go back

    >
    > to the beginning
    >
    >>>of your bill cycle, credit the old plan, bill the new amount and give

    >
    > you the fill amount of minutes.
    >
    >>>
    >>>"John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message

    >
    > news:3FF76DDF.5020007@earthlink.net...
    >
    >>>>If they prorate the old and new plan which is the non-deceptive way,

    >
    > then
    >
    >>>>that CANNOT BE LESS than 300 minutes. If they do not do that... IT IS

    >
    > DECEPTIVE!!!
    >
    >>>>sorry, this is very clear,
    >>>>John
    >>>>
    >>>>Richard Ness wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>The key is PRORATE.
    >>>>>Did you switch on the exact day of your billing cycle?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>No? Then you will get however many minutes you have signed up for,

    >
    > PRORATED.
    >
    >>>>>So, if your billing cycle is the 15th and you switched on the 1st,
    >>>>>you get 200 minutes if you are on a 400 minute plan. And so on....
    >>>>>A new plan does NOT change the date of your billing cycle.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>As always, you will get most anything if you approach the person on the

    >
    > phone
    >
    >>>>>CALMLY. Asking them to admit "fraud" is NOT "calm" in my book. I'd bet

    >
    > if you
    >
    >>>>>try again and use a bit more tact and diplomacy, you'll get some

    >
    > credits.
    >
    >>>>>But, fraud? Sorry. Looks more like a misunderstanding on your part.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>"John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message

    >
    > news:3FF767BD.6030206@earthlink.net...
    >
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Dear State Attorney General (of all 50 States):
    >>>>>>Dear Better Business Bureau (near the most populous 100 cities in the

    >
    > US):
    >
    >>>>>>Dear Consumer Reports: (a category for you to use to rank phone

    >
    > providers):
    >
    >>>>>>Dear FCC:
    >>>>>>Dear Department of Commerce:
    >>>>>>Dear FTC:
    >>>>>>Dear Online Newsgroups:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>It is my opinion that Verizon Wireless is engaging in fraud.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>I recently received a US Mailing encouraging me to switch to a 400

    >
    > peak
    >
    >>>>>>monthly minute plan with 1000 mobile to mobile minutes, and unlimited

    >
    > night
    >
    >>>>>>and weekend minutes (from a 300 peak monthly minute plan).
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>They said they would prorate the phase in to the new plan.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>In the next monthly billing, I used 292 peak minutes. They somehow
    >>>>>>prorated my monthly minutes at 178 (!!!) and billed me for 112 peak
    >>>>>>time minutes for $ 50.40 !!!
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>I don't care HOW YOU AVERAGE 300 and 400 minutes, you CANNOT get a

    >
    > number
    >
    >>>>>>less than 300 !!!! Unless you failed fifth grade mathematics! So this
    >>>>>>is clearly a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure

    >
    > unfair
    >
    >>>>>>or unlawful gain. The definition of fraud I just looked up on google!
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>I called and complained (someone named Cattrell). They refused to

    >
    > refund
    >
    >>>>>>my money and to even admit that it was fraud!
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>I don't care much about the money. It is now the principle of it. And
    >>>>>>the fact that they are ripping off people all across the nation with

    >
    > the
    >
    >>>>>>same deceptive practice, and I feel it must not only be stopped, they

    >
    > need
    >
    >>>>>>to be made accountable for every instance of it.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>I assume that a class action suit and investigation will ensue and

    >
    > return
    >
    >>>>>>the money to all those who have been ripped off in this manner, and

    >
    > with a
    >
    >>>>>>substantial multimillon dollar amount of punitive damages to

    >
    > discourage
    >
    >>>>>>such practices in the future.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>I look forward to hearing from you that action is being taken. Any

    >
    > lawyer
    >
    >>>>>>or agent of the law wishing to pursue this case may contact me for

    >
    > complete
    >
    >>>>>>details.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Sincerely,
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>John
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>

    >
    >
     
  20. "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:3FF78038.50008@earthlink.net...
    > you obviously failed fifth grade math. an average between 300 and 400
    > CANNOT be less than 300.
    >
    > What is your Verizon badge number? I'll let them know you have been
    > a good Pavlov dog.
    >


    I think his badge number is the same as yours at Assholes 'R' Us. You must
    work in the back, though- even they have minimum requirements for customer
    interaction, which you fail to meet.
     

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