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Verizon Wireless Fraud? BEWARE!!!

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by John, Jan 3, 2004.

  1. John

    John Guest

    oh, the $50 is nothing. I could care less about 1000 dollars.

    but the %50,000,000 is something!!!!!! I'm going for it!

    John

    John wrote:
    > I focus on what a reasonable man (legal criterion) would accept as
    > non fraudlent billing.
    >
    > John
    >
    > Jack Jackson wrote:
    >
    >> Jack,
    >>
    >> I agreed with you about the minutes allocation, but I suggested that
    >> the minutes used might have been accounted on an absolute basis
    >> during a portion of the billing cycle -- which could indeed
    >> rationally result in charges for excess minutes used. My suggestion
    >> had nothing to do with the weighted average of the allocation, but
    >> with the method by which the minutes used were subtracted.
    >> Consider the following hypothetical equation:
    >>
    >> (Prorated Minutes in first 15 days - Minutes Used in first 15
    >> days)+(Prorated Minutes in second 15 days - Minutes Used in second
    >> 15 days) = Excess Minutes Billable
    >>
    >> You seem to be focusing on only one element of the equation, the
    >> prorated allocation(s).
    >>
    >> (Now I don't think my hypothetical equation reflects how Verizon
    >> actually bills, but it is possible and would explain how you could
    >> have accrued excess minutes despite the total prorated allocation's
    >> being some number between 300 and 400.)
    >>
    >> JJ
    >>
    >> "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    >> news:3FF78D31.2020005@earthlink.net...
    >>
    >>> there is right
    >>> and there is stupid
    >>>
    >>> there is no no rational way that a weighted average of 300 and 400
    >>> can be less than 300. Q.E.D.
    >>>
    >>> a class action suit of fraud can easily total a billion if they

    >>
    >>
    >> have to
    >>
    >>> pay lawyer fees and refund what they have ripped off from

    >>
    >>
    >> unsuspecting "customers"
    >>
    >>> John
    >>>
    >>> Jack Jackson wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> John,
    >>>>
    >>>> For the record, I never suggested, nor do I believe, there is

    >>
    >>
    >> any
    >>
    >>>> fraud involved here. I tried to explain a rational way of
    >>>> calculating the bill that could have resulted in your problem,

    >>
    >>
    >> but
    >>
    >>>> you chose to just ignore the possibility that Verizon might have

    >>
    >>
    >> had
    >>
    >>>> some rational way of accounting that could have resulted in your
    >>>> billing problem.
    >>>>
    >>>> What I said was that I wished you luck and thought you were

    >>
    >>
    >> neither
    >>
    >>>> properly informed nor treated well -- not that I thought you

    >>
    >>
    >> were
    >>
    >>>> right about your charge of fraud.
    >>>>
    >>>> Actually, I think your abusive attitude is the biggest obstacle

    >>
    >>
    >> to
    >>
    >>>> your getting this issue resolved to your own satisfaction.

    >>
    >>
    >> Calling
    >>
    >>>> everyone who responds to you in this news group stupid is not a
    >>>> smart way to get help, and it certainly would not be a good way

    >>
    >>
    >> to
    >>
    >>>> get help from a CSR.
    >>>>
    >>>> Billions involved? Surely, you jest.
    >>>>
    >>>> JJ
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    >>>> news:3FF78934.4080603@earthlink.net...
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> thank you for the vote of FRAUD!!!!!!!
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Jack Jackson wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> John,
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Is it possible that Verizon prorated the minutes allocation for
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> each
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> segment of the billing cycle (old and new plans) but allocated
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> the
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> minutes used within each specific segment absolutely? For
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> example,
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> if you had used 250 minutes in the first 15 days of a 30-day
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> billing
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> cycle on a 300-minute plan but the prorated minutes allocated
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> for
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> that 15-day segment were 150, Verizon might argue that you were
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> 100
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> minutes over allocation for that 15 day period -- regardless of
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> your
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> usage and minutes allocation in the second segment of the

    >>
    >>
    >> cycle.
    >>
    >>>> I
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> doubt that is the way the system works, but it would explain

    >>
    >>
    >> how
    >>
    >>>>>> this billing problem could happen. Of course, you're right

    >>
    >>
    >> that
    >>
    >>>> the
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> monthly proration cannot be less than the lower minutes of the
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> two
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> plans, but it may be that Verizon's usage accounting is simply
    >>>>>> calendar based. I don't know how Verizon does this, but I've
    >>>>>> upgraded plans two or three times in the past few years and
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> never
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> had the problem you experienced.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Whatever happened here, it's clear you were not treated fairly
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> or
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> properly informed. I hope you get this resolved without a lot
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> more
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> trouble.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Good luck to you.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:3FF78337.5000505@earthlink.net...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> finally, someone with a BRAIN!
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> It never ceases to amaze me how stupid most people are!
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> NO AVERAGE PRORATE between 300 and 400 can be LESS THAN
    >>>>>>> 300!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Unless FRAUD is involved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> thank you. one person understands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> and laywers will jump on it... billions to be made here!!!!!
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> John
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> JG wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> I think you guys are missing the point.
    >>>>>>>> What he is saying is that if his billing cycle was on the

    >>
    >>
    >> first
    >>
    >>>>>> and he
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> switched half way through the month, he can't have less time
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> than
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> before. It has to be more time than before. Or put it this
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> way,
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> if you
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> switch from a 300 minute plan half way through the month, you
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> should get
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> 150 minutes prorated from that 300 minute plan and 200

    >>
    >>
    >> minutes
    >>
    >>>>>> from the
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> new 400 minute plan.
    >>>>>>>> Thus 350 minutes should have been available during the month.
    >>>>>>>> Yet the total monthly minutes used were 292 and only 178 were
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> allowed.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> HomieG wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Hmmm, you expect them to take you seriously when your math
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> doesn't add
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> up?
    >>>>>>>>> You say they billed you for 292 peak minutes, 178 pro-rated
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> and
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> 112 peak.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> That equals 290 minutes.
    >>>>>>>>> If you didn't understand the pro-rate at the time of

    >>
    >>
    >> agreeing
    >>
    >>>>>> to the
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> plan,
    >>>>>>>>> you should have asked then.
    >>>>>>>>> Sorry, they are not going to take you seriosly. More a case
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> of
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> ready,
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> shoot, aim...
    >>>>>>>>> -HomieG
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>> news:3FF767BD.6030206@earthlink.net...
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Dear State Attorney General (of all 50 States):
    >>>>>>>>>> Dear Better Business Bureau (near the most populous 100
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> cities
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> in the
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> US):
    >>>>>>>>>> Dear Consumer Reports: (a category for you to use to rank
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> phone
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> providers):
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Dear FCC:
    >>>>>>>>>> Dear Department of Commerce:
    >>>>>>>>>> Dear FTC:
    >>>>>>>>>> Dear Online Newsgroups:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> It is my opinion that Verizon Wireless is engaging in

    >>
    >>
    >> fraud.
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>> I recently received a US Mailing encouraging me to switch

    >>
    >>
    >> to
    >>
    >>>> a
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> 400 peak
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> monthly minute plan with 1000 mobile to mobile minutes, and
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> unlimited
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> night
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> and weekend minutes (from a 300 peak monthly minute plan).
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> They said they would prorate the phase in to the new plan.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> In the next monthly billing, I used 292 peak minutes. They
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> somehow
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> prorated my monthly minutes at 178 (!!!) and billed me for
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> 112
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> peak
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> time minutes for $ 50.40 !!!
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> I don't care HOW YOU AVERAGE 300 and 400 minutes, you

    >>
    >>
    >> CANNOT
    >>
    >>>>>> get a
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> number
    >>>>>>>>>> less than 300 !!!! Unless you failed fifth grade

    >>
    >>
    >> mathematics!
    >>
    >>>>>> So this
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> is clearly a deception deliberately practiced in order to
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> secure unfair
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> or unlawful gain. The definition of fraud I just looked up

    >>
    >>
    >> on
    >>
    >>>>>> google!
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> I called and complained (someone named Cattrell). They
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> refused
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> to refund
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> my money and to even admit that it was fraud!
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> I don't care much about the money. It is now the principle

    >>
    >>
    >> of
    >>
    >>>>>> it. And
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> the fact that they are ripping off people all across the
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> nation with the
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> same deceptive practice, and I feel it must not only be
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> stopped, they
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> need
    >>>>>>>>>> to be made accountable for every instance of it.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> I assume that a class action suit and investigation will
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> ensue
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> and
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> return
    >>>>>>>>>> the money to all those who have been ripped off in this
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> manner, and
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> with a
    >>>>>>>>>> substantial multimillon dollar amount of punitive damages

    >>
    >>
    >> to
    >>
    >>>>>> discourage
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> such practices in the future.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> I look forward to hearing from you that action is being
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> taken.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> Any
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> lawyer
    >>>>>>>>>> or agent of the law wishing to pursue this case may contact
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> me
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> for
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> complete
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> details.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> John
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>

    >>
    >>

    >



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  2. Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, JG said:

    ; I think you guys are missing the point.
    ; What he is saying is that if his billing cycle was on the first and he
    ; switched half way through the month, he can't have less time than
    ; before. It has to be more time than before. Or put it this way, if you
    ; switch from a 300 minute plan half way through the month, you should get
    ; 150 minutes prorated from that 300 minute plan and 200 minutes from the
    ; new 400 minute plan.
    ; Thus 350 minutes should have been available during the month.
    ; Yet the total monthly minutes used were 292 and only 178 were allowed.

    No. When you change plans, your old plan has nothing further to do
    with how much airtime you have. You get however much your NEW plan
    provides, prorated to how many days are left in your billing cycle.

    Why would you expect your OLD plan to have anything to do with your NEW
    plan?

    --
    Jeffrey Kaplan <*> www.gordol.org
    The from userid is killfiled <*> Send personal mail to gordol

    "There is an ancient Klingon proverb that say, 'You cannot loosen a
    man's tongue with root beer.'" (Cmdr. Worf, ST:DS9 "Rapture")
  3. John

    John Guest

    jeez... you are a stupid bunch aren't you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    did you graduate special education!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    there are TWO plans. the old 300 plan. and the new 400 plan

    sigh........... you are stupid aren't you!!!!!!!!!!!!1


    John

    Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
    > Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, JG said:
    >
    > ; I think you guys are missing the point.
    > ; What he is saying is that if his billing cycle was on the first and he
    > ; switched half way through the month, he can't have less time than
    > ; before. It has to be more time than before. Or put it this way, if you
    > ; switch from a 300 minute plan half way through the month, you should get
    > ; 150 minutes prorated from that 300 minute plan and 200 minutes from the
    > ; new 400 minute plan.
    > ; Thus 350 minutes should have been available during the month.
    > ; Yet the total monthly minutes used were 292 and only 178 were allowed.
    >
    > No. When you change plans, your old plan has nothing further to do
    > with how much airtime you have. You get however much your NEW plan
    > provides, prorated to how many days are left in your billing cycle.
    >
    > Why would you expect your OLD plan to have anything to do with your NEW
    > plan?
    >
  4. Bill Rubin

    Bill Rubin Guest

    Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
    >
    > Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, John said:
    >
    > ; If they prorate the old and new plan which is the non-deceptive way, then
    > ; that CANNOT BE LESS than 300 minutes. If they do not do that... IT IS DECEPTIVE!!!
    > ;
    > ; sorry, this is very clear,
    >
    > What is clear is that you don't understand what "prorate" means. It
    > means that your plan gets changed, and for the remainder of the current
    > billing cycle, they divide the number of minutes by the number of days
    > in the cycle, and then you get however many minutes the number of days
    > left equals.
    >
    > 400 minutes divided by 30 days is 13.3 minutes/day. So, 178 minutes
    > left divided by 13.3 minutes/day equals 13 days.
    >
    > If you were unclear on what prorating your account means, you should
    > have asked the salescritter when you changed your plan. You should
    > have actually read the contract and any other information provided for
    > changing plans prior to committing to the change and asked for
    > clarification.
    >
    > In other words, it's your own fault, and your own problem. If you call
    > a Verizon center and are +polite+ about it, and you get someone
    > different this time, and if "Cattrell" didn't note down in their
    > records that you're a jerk, you might be able to convince them to
    > forgive some or all of the overage charges.
    >
    > Otherwise, learn from your mistake, pay the bill, and move on with your
    > life.


    Unless his bill only covered 13 days, then I don't see how you
    can be correct. Actually we don't really know that answer from
    the OP. What was the billing period you are talking about here?
    Was it a full month or just a portion? And did you actually use
    all of the minutes you're being billed for during one portion of
    the month, or were they spread across the month? I guess it is
    possible, as I think that Jeffrey is trying to point out, that
    if you went over the prorated portion of your allocation for the
    portion of the month you were in the 400 minute plan, they could
    be justified in charging you the additional minutes, although I
    certainly agree that I would not have expected my total monthly
    usage to be a problem if I was under what I previously had
    allowed.

    Bill
  5. John

    John Guest

    gad!!!!

    it is mathematically IMPOSSIBLE for ANY AVERAGE of 300 and 400 to be less
    than 300!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    save me from the stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    please invoke your BRAIN before posting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    John

    Bill Rubin wrote:
    > Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
    >
    >>Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, John said:
    >>
    >>; If they prorate the old and new plan which is the non-deceptive way, then
    >>; that CANNOT BE LESS than 300 minutes. If they do not do that... IT IS DECEPTIVE!!!
    >>;
    >>; sorry, this is very clear,
    >>
    >>What is clear is that you don't understand what "prorate" means. It
    >>means that your plan gets changed, and for the remainder of the current
    >>billing cycle, they divide the number of minutes by the number of days
    >>in the cycle, and then you get however many minutes the number of days
    >>left equals.
    >>
    >>400 minutes divided by 30 days is 13.3 minutes/day. So, 178 minutes
    >>left divided by 13.3 minutes/day equals 13 days.
    >>
    >>If you were unclear on what prorating your account means, you should
    >>have asked the salescritter when you changed your plan. You should
    >>have actually read the contract and any other information provided for
    >>changing plans prior to committing to the change and asked for
    >>clarification.
    >>
    >>In other words, it's your own fault, and your own problem. If you call
    >>a Verizon center and are +polite+ about it, and you get someone
    >>different this time, and if "Cattrell" didn't note down in their
    >>records that you're a jerk, you might be able to convince them to
    >>forgive some or all of the overage charges.
    >>
    >>Otherwise, learn from your mistake, pay the bill, and move on with your
    >>life.

    >
    >
    > Unless his bill only covered 13 days, then I don't see how you
    > can be correct. Actually we don't really know that answer from
    > the OP. What was the billing period you are talking about here?
    > Was it a full month or just a portion? And did you actually use
    > all of the minutes you're being billed for during one portion of
    > the month, or were they spread across the month? I guess it is
    > possible, as I think that Jeffrey is trying to point out, that
    > if you went over the prorated portion of your allocation for the
    > portion of the month you were in the 400 minute plan, they could
    > be justified in charging you the additional minutes, although I
    > certainly agree that I would not have expected my total monthly
    > usage to be a problem if I was under what I previously had
    > allowed.
    >
    > Bill
  6. "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:3FF79212.70309@earthlink.net...
    > I focus on what a reasonable man (legal criterion) would accept as
    > non fraudlent billing.


    Then you need to find a new reasonable man- the one who's advising you is
    full of shit.
  7. Bill Rubin

    Bill Rubin Guest

    Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
    >
    > Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, JG said:
    >
    > ; I think you guys are missing the point.
    > ; What he is saying is that if his billing cycle was on the first and he
    > ; switched half way through the month, he can't have less time than
    > ; before. It has to be more time than before. Or put it this way, if you
    > ; switch from a 300 minute plan half way through the month, you should get
    > ; 150 minutes prorated from that 300 minute plan and 200 minutes from the
    > ; new 400 minute plan.
    > ; Thus 350 minutes should have been available during the month.
    > ; Yet the total monthly minutes used were 292 and only 178 were allowed.
    >
    > No. When you change plans, your old plan has nothing further to do
    > with how much airtime you have. You get however much your NEW plan
    > provides, prorated to how many days are left in your billing cycle.
    >
    > Why would you expect your OLD plan to have anything to do with your NEW
    > plan?


    You know I was sort of agreeing with you, but not I think you're
    totally off base. Are you saying that if I have a 300 minute
    plan and switch halfway through the month to a 400 minute plan,
    that all I should expect to be allowed on my full month bill is
    200 minutes, and that the number of minutes you had been allowed
    on your old plan no longer apply? That makes absolutely no
    sense. The best case you can make is that they split the bill by
    plan, and they list all of the calls made before the switchover
    with a prorated amount of minutes from the old plan, and the
    same for the new plan.

    Bill
  8. Justin

    Justin Guest

    John wrote on [Sun, 04 Jan 2004 03:44:24 GMT]:
    > I've been on a first name basis with 15 to 20 Natural Science Nobel prize
    > winners over the past 30 years. I'm not ashamed to admit I don't know
    > something less than their work.
    >
    > What does IKYABWAI mean?


    I know you are but what am I
    >
    > I'm sure that I will be less than impressed by it.
    >
    > John
    >
    > Justin wrote:
    >> John wrote on [Sun, 04 Jan 2004 03:30:41 GMT]:
    >>
    >>>you are the stupid one!

    >>
    >>
    >> IKYABWAI
    >>
    >>
    >>>
    >>>Justin wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>John wrote on [Sun, 04 Jan 2004 03:15:54 GMT]:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>I cannot accept stupidity. theirs or yours!
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>Yet you accept your own
    >>>

    >
  9. Justin

    Justin Guest

    John wrote on [Sun, 04 Jan 2004 03:49:07 GMT]:
    > there is right
    > and there is stupid
    >
    > there is no no rational way that a weighted average of 300 and 400
    > can be less than 300. Q.E.D.
    >
    > a class action suit of fraud can easily total a billion if they have to
    > pay lawyer fees and refund what they have ripped off from unsuspecting "customers"


    And some rational thought and conversation can do wonders, too.
  10. Dr. Know

    Dr. Know Guest

    John? John Heywang? Is that you???? Looks like it's time to regulate those meds
    again, please make an appointment with my office, OK?

    Dr. Know

    John wrote:

    > finally, someone with a BRAIN!
    >
    > It never ceases to amaze me how stupid most people are!
    >
    > NO AVERAGE PRORATE between 300 and 400 can be LESS THAN
    > 300!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >
    > Unless FRAUD is involved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >
    > thank you. one person understands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >
    > and laywers will jump on it... billions to be made here!!!!!
    >
    > John
  11. Justin

    Justin Guest

    John wrote on [Sun, 04 Jan 2004 04:09:58 GMT]:
    > I focus on what a reasonable man (legal criterion) would accept as
    > non fraudlent billing.


    Yes. And the greed for this class action crap has led you to believe
    that what is in all likelihood a simple clerical error is a deliberate
    measure to deprive you of 50 dollars.

    If you had this abusive attitude when you talked to the CSR then I'm
    sure they wouldn't work with you.
  12. Justin

    Justin Guest

    John wrote on [Sun, 04 Jan 2004 04:24:11 GMT]:
    > gad!!!!
    >
    > it is mathematically IMPOSSIBLE for ANY AVERAGE of 300 and 400 to be less
    > than 300!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Prorating doesn't average anything, you moron
  13. John

    John Guest

    :)

    I am quite secure in my knowledge of Relativistic Quantum Mechanics.
    Theoretical Chemistry, Xray Crystallography, and the like.

    Do you know why the twin paradox is not a paradox at all??????

    Then go away.

    John

    Justin wrote:
    > John wrote on [Sun, 04 Jan 2004 03:44:24 GMT]:
    >
    >>I've been on a first name basis with 15 to 20 Natural Science Nobel prize
    >>winners over the past 30 years. I'm not ashamed to admit I don't know
    >>something less than their work.
    >>
    >>What does IKYABWAI mean?

    >
    >
    > I know you are but what am I
    >
    >>I'm sure that I will be less than impressed by it.
    >>
    >>John
    >>
    >>Justin wrote:
    >>
    >>>John wrote on [Sun, 04 Jan 2004 03:30:41 GMT]:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>you are the stupid one!
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>IKYABWAI
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Justin wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>John wrote on [Sun, 04 Jan 2004 03:15:54 GMT]:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>I cannot accept stupidity. theirs or yours!
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Yet you accept your own
    >>>>
  14. John

    John Guest

    the dollars are a retirement fund!

    Justin wrote:
    > John wrote on [Sun, 04 Jan 2004 03:49:07 GMT]:
    >
    >>there is right
    >>and there is stupid
    >>
    >>there is no no rational way that a weighted average of 300 and 400
    >>can be less than 300. Q.E.D.
    >>
    >>a class action suit of fraud can easily total a billion if they have to
    >>pay lawyer fees and refund what they have ripped off from unsuspecting "customers"

    >
    >
    > And some rational thought and conversation can do wonders, too.
  15. "Bill Rubin" <billrubin@prodigy.net> wrote in message
    news:3FF7959F.720BA4C0@prodigy.net...

    >
    > You know I was sort of agreeing with you, but not I think you're
    > totally off base. Are you saying that if I have a 300 minute
    > plan and switch halfway through the month to a 400 minute plan,
    > that all I should expect to be allowed on my full month bill is
    > 200 minutes, and that the number of minutes you had been allowed
    > on your old plan no longer apply? That makes absolutely no
    > sense. The best case you can make is that they split the bill by
    > plan, and they list all of the calls made before the switchover
    > with a prorated amount of minutes from the old plan, and the
    > same for the new plan.
    >
    > Bill


    His logic does make sense. The problem is, we are missing all of the key
    data- when in the billing cycle the switch was made, and when in the billing
    cycle the minutes were used. There are some possible scenarios that would
    make the billing correct- we just don't have enough info to go on.
  16. John

    John Guest

    hee hee

    you are delusional! nobody should ever make an appointment with you
    if they value themselves!!!!!!!!!!!! But you know that don't you!!!!

    John

    Dr. Know wrote:
    > John? John Heywang? Is that you???? Looks like it's time to regulate
    > those meds again, please make an appointment with my office, OK?
    >
    > Dr. Know
    >
    > John wrote:
    >
    >> finally, someone with a BRAIN!
    >>
    >> It never ceases to amaze me how stupid most people are!
    >>
    >> NO AVERAGE PRORATE between 300 and 400 can be LESS THAN
    >> 300!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >>
    >> Unless FRAUD is involved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >>
    >> thank you. one person understands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >>
    >> and laywers will jump on it... billions to be made here!!!!!
    >>
    >> John

    >
    >
  17. Justin

    Justin Guest

    John wrote on [Sun, 04 Jan 2004 04:35:14 GMT]:
    > :)
    >
    > I am quite secure in my knowledge of Relativistic Quantum Mechanics.
    > Theoretical Chemistry, Xray Crystallography, and the like.
    >
    > Do you know why the twin paradox is not a paradox at all??????


    Yes.

    Do you know how to act like a human being? I didn't think so.

    Or, do you know the correct ettiquette for posting on USENET? No.
  18. "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:3FF79800.3060402@earthlink.net...
    > :)
    >
    > I am quite secure in my knowledge of Relativistic Quantum Mechanics.
    > Theoretical Chemistry, Xray Crystallography, and the like.


    Now I understand, you're a nerd with no useful skills.....that would explain
    the attitude.

    >
    > Do you know why the twin paradox is not a paradox at all??????


    Do you know why the chicken crossed the road?
  19. "John" <jhyNOSPAM001@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:3FF79800.3060402@earthlink.net...
    > :)
    >
    > I am quite secure in my knowledge of Relativistic Quantum Mechanics.
    > Theoretical Chemistry, Xray Crystallography, and the like.


    Now I understand, you're a nerd with no useful skills.....that would explain
    the attitude.

    >
    > Do you know why the twin paradox is not a paradox at all??????


    Do you know why the chicken crossed the road?
  20. John

    John Guest

    ah, but I was 100% compliant until their 100% stupidity ruled, after
    many many explaations of how 300 and 400 cannot ever average less than
    300.......... unless FRAUD is involved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    gad, I'm gonna hate to take their money since so many of you are so stupid
    too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    John

    Justin wrote:
    > John wrote on [Sun, 04 Jan 2004 04:09:58 GMT]:
    >
    >>I focus on what a reasonable man (legal criterion) would accept as
    >>non fraudlent billing.

    >
    >
    > Yes. And the greed for this class action crap has led you to believe
    > that what is in all likelihood a simple clerical error is a deliberate
    > measure to deprive you of 50 dollars.
    >
    > If you had this abusive attitude when you talked to the CSR then I'm
    > sure they wouldn't work with yo

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