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Very sad to be in Radio Shack Yesterday

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by SMS, Dec 29, 2012.

  1. SMS

    SMS Guest

    I wanted to buy a Virgin Mobile HTC V One which is on sale for $49.99,
    but of course they were all out of them. The sales guy was well aware
    that they were being purchased by people that had no intention of using
    them on Virgin Mobile. People are flashing them to Page Plus or using
    them like an iPod Touch.

    The Radio Shack near me was packed. I have never seen so many people in
    this store at once in the 12 years we've lived near this store.

    What was sad is that there were a LOT of people signing up for Virgin
    Mobile to get the iPhone. They were all dumping AT&T and Verizon. I
    heard one guy say "I want to cancel all four of my Verizon phones, get
    two Virgin Mobile iPhones, and then two dumb phones for my kids on some
    prepaid plan."

    In our area Sprint's network is awful, made palatable only by Verizon
    roaming. But on Virgin Mobile you get no roaming at all. The phone will
    be totally unusable in many parts of the San Francisco Bay Area, as well
    as in many areas of California where there is no Sprint network.
     



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  2. Janet Wilder

    Janet Wilder Guest

    On 12/29/2012 12:10 PM, The Other Guy wrote:
    > On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:21:19 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> I wanted to buy a Virgin Mobile HTC V One which is on sale for $49.99,
    >> but of course they were all out of them. The sales guy was well aware
    >> that they were being purchased by people that had no intention of using
    >> them on Virgin Mobile. People are flashing them to Page Plus

    >
    > HOW would you do that, since the HTC isn't a CDMA phone??
    > AND it's designed for Sprint, NOT Verizon??


    Isn't Sprint CDMA? When did it change?


    --
    Janet Wilder
    Way-the-heck-south Texas
    Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.
     
  3. SMS

    SMS Guest

    On 12/29/2012 10:10 AM, The Other Guy wrote:
    > On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:21:19 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> I wanted to buy a Virgin Mobile HTC V One which is on sale for $49.99,
    >> but of course they were all out of them. The sales guy was well aware
    >> that they were being purchased by people that had no intention of using
    >> them on Virgin Mobile. People are flashing them to Page Plus

    >
    > HOW would you do that, since the HTC isn't a CDMA phone??


    Virgin is CDMA. Sprint is CDMA. The HTC One V is CDMA.

    <http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=3684>

    > AND it's designed for Sprint, NOT Verizon??


    Doesn't matter. Many people have been flashing the HTC One V to use on
    Pageplus. Apparently the hard part is getting 3G data to work, though
    it's not impossible. Remember that the big appeal of Pageplus to many
    people is that you can have a smart phone without a data plan--these
    users are low or no data users on 3G.

    OTOH, I just saw that Pageplus now has 5GB data plan for $70/month. On
    Verizon's "Share Everything" plan, 4GB of data would cost you about
    $120/month when you include taxes and fees, so for a single user
    Pageplus would be about $50/month less for 1GB more data. The handset
    subsidy on Verizon has a value of about $18/month (you get about a $365
    discount on a new handset every 20 months when you factor in the $35
    upgrade fee).

    The standard disclaimers for Page Plus: a) No LTE, b) no subsidized
    handset, c) no international roaming, d) roaming off of Verizon costs
    extra for voice, e) no data roaming off of Verizon.
     
  4. sms

    sms Guest

    On 12/29/2012 10:39 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
    > On 12/29/2012 12:10 PM, The Other Guy wrote:
    >> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:21:19 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> I wanted to buy a Virgin Mobile HTC V One which is on sale for $49.99,
    >>> but of course they were all out of them. The sales guy was well aware
    >>> that they were being purchased by people that had no intention of using
    >>> them on Virgin Mobile. People are flashing them to Page Plus

    >>
    >> HOW would you do that, since the HTC isn't a CDMA phone??
    >> AND it's designed for Sprint, NOT Verizon??

    >
    > Isn't Sprint CDMA? When did it change?


    Yes, Sprint is CDMA. They did have GSM service up until 1999.
     
  5. tlvp

    tlvp Guest

    On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:21:19 -0800, SMS wrote:

    > ... Virgin Mobile HTC V One which is on sale for $49.99, ...


    Lovely price, agreed. Ever find one? (Amazon's offering it at $99.99.)

    Is it true, as a Phonescoop review asserts, that "The battery is not
    accessible to the user" ? That could become annoying in 2-3 years.

    Cheers, -- tlvp
    --
    Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
     
  6. Justin

    Justin Guest

    tlvp wrote on [Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:26:19 -0500]:
    > On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:21:19 -0800, SMS wrote:
    >
    >> ... Virgin Mobile HTC V One which is on sale for $49.99, ...

    >
    > Lovely price, agreed. Ever find one? (Amazon's offering it at $99.99.)
    >
    > Is it true, as a Phonescoop review asserts, that "The battery is not
    > accessible to the user" ? That could become annoying in 2-3 years.


    Phones aren't designed to last that long anyway
     
  7. XS11E

    XS11E Guest

    OT: Page Plus crap.

    SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    > OTOH, I just saw that Pageplus now has 5GB data plan for
    > $70/month.


    WOW, I could drop Verizon and pay $10 MORE per month for "a) No LTE, b)
    no subsidized handset, c) no international roaming, d) roaming off of
    Verizon costs extra for voice, e) no data roaming off of Verizon.

    I think I'll stay with Verizon.

    --
    XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
    The Usenet Improvement Project:
    http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
     
  8. Justin

    Justin Guest

    Re: OT: Page Plus crap.

    XS11E wrote on [Sat, 29 Dec 2012 20:38:04 -0700]:
    > SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    >
    >> OTOH, I just saw that Pageplus now has 5GB data plan for
    >> $70/month.

    >
    > WOW, I could drop Verizon and pay $10 MORE per month for "a) No LTE, b)
    > no subsidized handset, c) no international roaming, d) roaming off of
    > Verizon costs extra for voice, e) no data roaming off of Verizon.
    >
    > I think I'll stay with Verizon.


    What verizon plan do you have for a phone that does text and data with
    5GB of data cap?
     
  9. sms

    sms Guest

    Re: OT: Page Plus crap.

    On 12/29/2012 7:38 PM, XS11E wrote:
    > SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    >
    >> OTOH, I just saw that Pageplus now has 5GB data plan for
    >> $70/month.

    >
    > WOW, I could drop Verizon and pay $10 MORE per month for "a) No LTE, b)
    > no subsidized handset, c) no international roaming, d) roaming off of
    > Verizon costs extra for voice, e) no data roaming off of Verizon.


    For new Verizon customers, 5GB of data, unlimited voice, and unlimited
    text, would be about $135 per month.
     
  10. sms

    sms Guest

    Re: OT: Page Plus crap.

    On 12/30/2012 3:46 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

    <snip>

    > Plus--and this is important for some people--the comfort of dealing with
    > a tier 1 name provider, one that all their friends have and know. That
    > comfort level of being "one of the crowd" is important in human nature.
    > It's against human nature to stand out from the crowd. "I may be doing
    > something stupid, but at least I'm doing it in a crowd. I couldn't
    > possibly do anything else, even if it's smarter, because that would mean
    > I'd stand out from the crowd."


    That is a big factor. If more stores sold something like Page Plus then
    it wouldn't be such a strange thing to do. It takes effort to switch to
    Page Plus. You have to be out of contract if you're taking your existing
    Verizon phone to Page Plus, and if you're moving from another carrier
    you have to buy a smart phone somewhere. The savings are very large if
    you don't mind the few caveats I mentioned in an earlier post, but most
    people can't be bothered.

    Of course the biggest factor is still probably that $365 or so subsidy
    on smart phones. Few people want to buy a new iPhone for $600, but $200
    initially, plus another $800-1000 over the course of 20 months, in the
    form of higher monthly cost, is more palatable. Yet based on what I saw
    at Radio Shack the other day, with people buying the iPhone 4s for $400
    on the gawd-awful Virgin Mobile network, there is some demand for lower
    cost service with a higher initial cost.

    We just had this conversation last night at a family party. My
    sister-in-law was complaining, again, about the amount of money they
    spend on their Verizon bill. They're at over $350 per month for three
    smart phones on Verizon's network. None of them use more than 0.5GB per
    month on data, and most of that data is used at home or at the colleges
    where her two older kids attend where they could be using Wi-Fi. None of
    them care about LTE speed.

    Meanwhile, my family has four smart phones on Verizon's network, and our
    monthly outlay is about $75. The least she should do is to change from
    her legacy family plan to the "Share Everything" plan which would save
    her about $125 per month.




    “It's best not to argue with people who are determined to lose. Once
    you've told them about a superior alternative, your responsibility is
    fulfilled and you can allow them to lose in peace.”

    Mark Crispin, Inventor of the IMAP e-Mail Protocol



    "
     
  11. Re: OT: Page Plus crap.

    On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 07:42:16 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    wrote:

    >On 12/30/2012 3:46 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
    >
    ><snip>
    >
    >> Plus--and this is important for some people--the comfort of dealing with
    >> a tier 1 name provider, one that all their friends have and know. That
    >> comfort level of being "one of the crowd" is important in human nature.
    >> It's against human nature to stand out from the crowd. "I may be doing
    >> something stupid, but at least I'm doing it in a crowd. I couldn't
    >> possibly do anything else, even if it's smarter, because that would mean
    >> I'd stand out from the crowd."

    >
    >That is a big factor. If more stores sold something like Page Plus then
    >it wouldn't be such a strange thing to do. It takes effort to switch to
    >Page Plus. You have to be out of contract if you're taking your existing
    >Verizon phone to Page Plus, and if you're moving from another carrier
    >you have to buy a smart phone somewhere. The savings are very large if
    >you don't mind the few caveats I mentioned in an earlier post, but most
    >people can't be bothered.
    >
    >Of course the biggest factor is still probably that $365 or so subsidy
    >on smart phones. Few people want to buy a new iPhone for $600, but $200
    >initially, plus another $800-1000 over the course of 20 months, in the
    >form of higher monthly cost, is more palatable. Yet based on what I saw
    >at Radio Shack the other day, with people buying the iPhone 4s for $400
    >on the gawd-awful Virgin Mobile network, there is some demand for lower
    >cost service with a higher initial cost.
    >
    >We just had this conversation last night at a family party. My
    >sister-in-law was complaining, again, about the amount of money they
    >spend on their Verizon bill. They're at over $350 per month for three
    >smart phones on Verizon's network. None of them use more than 0.5GB per
    >month on data, and most of that data is used at home or at the colleges
    >where her two older kids attend where they could be using Wi-Fi. None of
    >them care about LTE speed.
    >
    >Meanwhile, my family has four smart phones on Verizon's network, and our
    >monthly outlay is about $75. The least she should do is to change from
    >her legacy family plan to the "Share Everything" plan which would save
    >her about $125 per month.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >“It's best not to argue with people who are determined to lose. Once
    >you've told them about a superior alternative, your responsibility is
    >fulfilled and you can allow them to lose in peace.–
    >
    > Mark Crispin, Inventor of the IMAP e-Mail Protocol


    If you do the math comparing a subsidized phone plus 24 months of the
    higher cost versus buying a phone outright and 24 months of a prepaid
    service, the savingfor a single user are quite large. If you ave more
    lines them family plans and shared minutes and data may reduce or
    perhaps even eliminate the difference. Each person needs to do it on
    their own.

    My experience with verizon customer service was OK but no great and it
    diminished significantly over 15 years I was with them. From PagePlus
    I expect little in the way of customer service so will never be
    disappointed . What little I've needed has been fine.

    PagePlus may not be for you, but it's anything but crap for most
    people.
     
  12. On 12/29/2012 6:40 PM, Justin wrote:
    > tlvp wrote on [Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:26:19 -0500]:
    >> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:21:19 -0800, SMS wrote:
    >>
    >>> ... Virgin Mobile HTC V One which is on sale for $49.99, ...

    >>
    >> Lovely price, agreed. Ever find one? (Amazon's offering it at $99.99.)
    >>
    >> Is it true, as a Phonescoop review asserts, that "The battery is not
    >> accessible to the user" ? That could become annoying in 2-3 years.

    >
    > Phones aren't designed to last that long anyway
    >


    I have two Motorola RAZR phones that have been in service for about
    seven years now; one for me and one for my wife. They still work. We
    don't use the RAZRs to shim up a desk, take them for a swim or use them
    for a hammer. With any luck they will last until new technology hits the
    streets.
     
  13. tlvp

    tlvp Guest

    On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 23:40:49 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:

    >> ... "battery is not
    >> accessible to the user" ? That could become annoying in 2-3 years.

    >
    > Phones aren't designed to last that long anyway


    Perhaps not but, treated with a modicum of care, they do nonetheless :) .

    Cheers, -- tlvp
    --
    Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
     
  14. tlvp

    tlvp Guest

    On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:26:19 -0500, tlvp wrote:

    > On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:21:19 -0800, SMS wrote:
    >
    >> ... Virgin Mobile HTC V One which is on sale for $49.99, ...

    >
    > Lovely price, agreed. Ever find one? (Amazon's offering it at $99.99.)
    >
    > Is it true, as a Phonescoop review asserts, that "The battery is not
    > accessible to the user" ? That could become annoying in 2-3 years.
    >
    > Cheers, -- tlvp


    Today (Sunday, start of a new RS ad week) the price is back up to $149.99.
    Typical RS sales technique -- lo-ball it while it's unavailable, as soon as
    it comes back in stock again up the price & sell it to the unthinking :) .

    Cheers, -- tlvp
    --
    Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
     
  15. Paul Miner

    Paul Miner Guest

    On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 22:46:10 -0500, "Richard B. Gilbert"
    <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:

    >I have two Motorola RAZR phones that have been in service for about
    >seven years now; one for me and one for my wife. They still work. We
    >don't use the RAZRs to shim up a desk, take them for a swim or use them
    >for a hammer. With any luck they will last until new technology hits the
    >streets.


    There's barely a week that goes by without some bit of new technology
    hitting the streets. If that's what you're waiting for, feel free to
    jump in anytime.

    For the record, though, I'm in the camp of using something until I
    have a good reason to upgrade, which is why I'm still using a Motorola
    V196.

    --
    Paul Miner
     
  16. Justin

    Justin Guest

    Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Sun, 30 Dec 2012 22:46:10 -0500]:
    > On 12/29/2012 6:40 PM, Justin wrote:
    >> tlvp wrote on [Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:26:19 -0500]:
    >>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:21:19 -0800, SMS wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> ... Virgin Mobile HTC V One which is on sale for $49.99, ...
    >>>
    >>> Lovely price, agreed. Ever find one? (Amazon's offering it at $99.99.)
    >>>
    >>> Is it true, as a Phonescoop review asserts, that "The battery is not
    >>> accessible to the user" ? That could become annoying in 2-3 years.

    >>
    >> Phones aren't designed to last that long anyway
    >>

    >
    > I have two Motorola RAZR phones that have been in service for about
    > seven years now; one for me and one for my wife. They still work. We
    > don't use the RAZRs to shim up a desk, take them for a swim or use them
    > for a hammer. With any luck they will last until new technology hits the
    > streets.


    So, they died years ago when new technology hit the streets?
     
  17. Justin

    Justin Guest

    tlvp wrote on [Sun, 30 Dec 2012 23:34:07 -0500]:
    > On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 23:40:49 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:
    >
    >>> ... "battery is not
    >>> accessible to the user" ? That could become annoying in 2-3 years.

    >>
    >> Phones aren't designed to last that long anyway

    >
    > Perhaps not but, treated with a modicum of care, they do nonetheless :) .


    I know it sure feels like LG designs their phones to die at 367 days after
    being put into service. I.e. just after the 1 year warranty ends
     
  18. Re: OT: Page Plus crap.

    On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:12:52 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
    <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

    >In article <vof1e8t5nfuc2cum0ieteode9a47vinmjf@4ax.com>,
    > nobody@nada.com wrote:
    >
    >> If you do the math comparing a subsidized phone plus 24 months of the
    >> higher cost versus buying a phone outright and 24 months of a prepaid
    >> service, the savingfor a single user are quite large. If you ave more
    >> lines them family plans and shared minutes and data may reduce or
    >> perhaps even eliminate the difference. Each person needs to do it on
    >> their own.
    >>
    >> My experience with verizon customer service was OK but no great and it
    >> diminished significantly over 15 years I was with them. From PagePlus
    >> I expect little in the way of customer service so will never be
    >> disappointed . What little I've needed has been fine.

    >
    >Agreed 100%.
    >
    >
    >>
    >> PagePlus may not be for you, but it's anything but crap for most
    >> people.

    >
    >but try telling that to John Q. Public, who hears "prepaid" and thinks
    >"gangbangers and drug dealers".



    I don't use PagePlus but my wife does. I saves us hundreds per year. I
    use a $30/month T-Mobile plan with lots of data (5GB). Our net savings
    over Verizon is well over $1000 a year.
     
  19. In article <kbrf4k$6mq$2@dont-email.me>, Justin <nospam@insightbb.com>
    wrote:

    > I know it sure feels like LG designs their phones to die at 367 days after
    > being put into service. I.e. just after the 1 year warranty ends


    No.

    This may sound like conspiracy crap, but I have it on good authority:
    no one will be surprised if/when it is revealed that the carriers
    themselves have been controlling your phone in such a way as to make you
    think it's going bad and want to get a new one inside of two years.

    I had a Blackberry that was about 18 months old, that suddenly the
    battery wouldn't hold a charge. A friend of mine, who got his at the
    same time, made the same observation about his Blackberry. Huh. Crappy
    battery, right? We got new batteries.

    And the new batteries also would not hold a charge. Six hours they'd
    last, max. Nothing we did would change that.

    I know someone pretty high up in the telecom industry, who works with
    the big boys AT&T/VZW/Sprint as well as other companies, and when I
    brought this idea to his attention that the carriers are controlling the
    phones in this way, zoning out the battery life (for example) to make
    you want to buy a new phone, he immediately and without pause had one
    word to say: "Absolutely." We went on to discuss how this improves the
    profitability of the carrier.

    Six months later my friend and I got new Blackberries, and all was well.
    Those units are now about 14 months old. Within the next few months, I
    will not be surprised if they "suddenly" won't hold a charge.

    This is on Sprint, btw.

    These little pocket computers that the entire world seems to love,
    remember--you don't really own them. You don't control them. The
    provider controls them, second by second, thanks to the always-on nature
    of the beast. And the carriers are controlling these devices to
    maximize their profitability, period.

    So 18 months into a subsidized phone/service contract you suddenly
    "want" a new phone, and you head into the Big MegaCorp Cell Carrier
    Phone Store, and next thing you know you're back out with the shiny new
    iToy of the month, a battery that "suddenly" lasts like you want it, and
    a NEW TWO YEAR CONTRACT!

    And you do that with your existing carrier thanks to early termination
    fees. You might *want* to switch carriers, but your phone died six
    months early, darn the luck! Oh well, you guess you'll trade off two
    more years with the sucky carrier for being able to walk out in an hour
    with a shiny new iToy with good battery life.

    Multiply that times tens of millions of people per year, and imagine the
    kind of profits you're talking.

    With this kind of Mafia scheme in place, is it any wonder the carriers
    are actively resisting changing from the current subsidized handset
    model over to the Asian model of simply buying the phone completely
    separate from the service?
     
  20. On 12/31/12 2:33 AM, Justin wrote:
    > tlvp wrote on [Sun, 30 Dec 2012 23:34:07 -0500]:
    >> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 23:40:49 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:
    >>
    >>>> ... "battery is not
    >>>> accessible to the user" ? That could become annoying in 2-3 years.
    >>>
    >>> Phones aren't designed to last that long anyway

    >>
    >> Perhaps not but, treated with a modicum of care, they do nonetheless :) .

    >
    > I know it sure feels like LG designs their phones to die at 367 days after
    > being put into service. I.e. just after the 1 year warranty ends
    >


    I guess my 10 year old LG VX4400 wouldn't fit in that category! It's a
    spare "rough service" CDMA phone that I keep activated on PagePlus for
    $2.50 a month (well, actually $3.00 counting the monthly audit fee they
    charge).

    I pack it along when hunting/fishing, at the beach, working in the yard,
    rough-housing with the grand kids, etc. The case is beat to snot and
    ugly but this compact little folder takes/make calls with clear sound
    and battery life is good. Snapping in a spare fully charged battery
    takes only a few seconds too.

    --
    We have a spending problem, not a failure to raise taxes problem.
    --Grover Norquist
     

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