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Very sad to be in Radio Shack Yesterday

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by SMS, Dec 29, 2012.

  1. Per Justin:
    >
    >Phones aren't designed to last that long anyway


    Dunno from 'designed', but before I caved in and bought a smart
    phone my source of phones was the local recycle bins.

    I've had some pretty nasty looking phones, but the closest thing
    to failure was one where they key pad was needing double or hard
    presses on some numbers.
    --
    Pete Cresswell
     



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  2. tlvp

    tlvp Guest

    On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 07:33:41 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:

    > I know it sure feels like LG designs their phones to die at 367 days after
    > being put into service. I.e. just after the 1 year warranty ends


    LG, you say? Here I'm using a cingular-branded LG cu-400 that at&t customer
    care talked me through SIM-unlocking (after I salvaged it from a cell phone
    recycling bin at my university) for future use with "a foreign carrier"
    (well, T-Mobile to be exact), and it's doing just fine -- it's even on its
    original battery, and getting 48-60 hours before gasping for a recharge.
    Its cu400 software version is dated November 2006, so that handset must be
    a good half-dozen years long in the tooth, by now, but still going strong.

    So much, then, for your claimed designed-in obsolescence of LG phones :) .

    Cheers, -- tlvp
    --
    Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
     
  3. On 12/31/2012 1:10 AM, Paul Miner wrote:
    > On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 22:46:10 -0500, "Richard B. Gilbert"
    > <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:
    >
    >> I have two Motorola RAZR phones that have been in service for about
    >> seven years now; one for me and one for my wife. They still work. We
    >> don't use the RAZRs to shim up a desk, take them for a swim or use them
    >> for a hammer. With any luck they will last until new technology hits the
    >> streets.

    >
    > There's barely a week that goes by without some bit of new technology
    > hitting the streets. If that's what you're waiting for, feel free to
    > jump in anytime.
    >
    > For the record, though, I'm in the camp of using something until I
    > have a good reason to upgrade, which is why I'm still using a Motorola
    > V196.
    >


    I'm with you, I think. I'll use those Motorola phones as long as they
    still work.

    If VZW comes up with new functionality that will somehow make my life
    easier, I'd spend some money.
     
  4. On 12/31/2012 2:32 AM, Justin wrote:
    > Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Sun, 30 Dec 2012 22:46:10 -0500]:
    >> On 12/29/2012 6:40 PM, Justin wrote:
    >>> tlvp wrote on [Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:26:19 -0500]:
    >>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:21:19 -0800, SMS wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> ... Virgin Mobile HTC V One which is on sale for $49.99, ...
    >>>>
    >>>> Lovely price, agreed. Ever find one? (Amazon's offering it at $99.99.)
    >>>>
    >>>> Is it true, as a Phonescoop review asserts, that "The battery is not
    >>>> accessible to the user" ? That could become annoying in 2-3 years.
    >>>
    >>> Phones aren't designed to last that long anyway
    >>>

    >>
    >> I have two Motorola RAZR phones that have been in service for about
    >> seven years now; one for me and one for my wife. They still work. We
    >> don't use the RAZRs to shim up a desk, take them for a swim or use them
    >> for a hammer. With any luck they will last until new technology hits the
    >> streets.

    >
    > So, they died years ago when new technology hit the streets?
    >
    >

    Your meaning is less than clear! My wife and I will continue to use
    our current phones until they no longer meet our needs. So far I
    haven't seen anything that VZW offers that would move me to upgrade.
     
  5. On 12/31/2012 2:33 AM, Justin wrote:
    > tlvp wrote on [Sun, 30 Dec 2012 23:34:07 -0500]:
    >> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 23:40:49 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:
    >>
    >>>> ... "battery is not
    >>>> accessible to the user" ? That could become annoying in 2-3 years.
    >>>
    >>> Phones aren't designed to last that long anyway

    >>
    >> Perhaps not but, treated with a modicum of care, they do nonetheless :) .

    >
    > I know it sure feels like LG designs their phones to die at 367 days after
    > being put into service. I.e. just after the 1 year warranty ends
    >


    Have you considered using a different vendor?
     
  6. Re: OT: Page Plus crap.

    On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 07:34:22 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
    <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

    >In article <c4q2e81gslt5485sid55dq4empvq2047f4@4ax.com>,
    > nobody@nada.com wrote:
    >
    >> I don't use PagePlus but my wife does. I saves us hundreds per year. I
    >> use a $30/month T-Mobile plan with lots of data (5GB). Our net savings
    >> over Verizon is well over $1000 a year.

    >
    >We do the same thing, but backwards. My wife has the t-mo thing, on a
    >nice handset--Samsung Exhibit II, nee Galaxy Exhibit--that I bought used
    >for $100.


    I just upgraded from the Exhibit II to the Google Nexus 4. The Samsung
    was a decent phone, but what a difference. I'll be using a lot more of
    that 5GB of data.

    >
    >When we had an extended power outage last summer we were able to use
    >that t-mo phone as a wifi hotspot for the whole house. And it was FAST.
    >
    >We're buying cheap callingmart refills for it, but I've found $50 t-mo
    >refills for $44 on Ebay. Nice.


    I'll take a look on eBay. Any suggestions for seller? Apparently there
    are some selling fake cards.
     
  7. Justin

    Justin Guest

    tlvp wrote on [Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:29:41 -0500]:
    > On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 07:33:41 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:
    >
    >> I know it sure feels like LG designs their phones to die at 367 days after
    >> being put into service. I.e. just after the 1 year warranty ends

    >
    > LG, you say? Here I'm using a cingular-branded LG cu-400 that at&t customer
    > care talked me through SIM-unlocking (after I salvaged it from a cell phone
    > recycling bin at my university) for future use with "a foreign carrier"
    > (well, T-Mobile to be exact), and it's doing just fine -- it's even on its
    > original battery, and getting 48-60 hours before gasping for a recharge.
    > Its cu400 software version is dated November 2006, so that handset must be
    > a good half-dozen years long in the tooth, by now, but still going strong.
    >
    > So much, then, for your claimed designed-in obsolescence of LG phones :) .


    It's all anecdotal. I had some flip phone from them that died right after it
    was time for a new phone and I had a VX-9700 that died about 6 months before
    I was eligible for a new phone.
     
  8. Justin

    Justin Guest

    Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:57:50 -0500]:
    > On 12/31/2012 2:32 AM, Justin wrote:
    >> Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Sun, 30 Dec 2012 22:46:10 -0500]:
    >>> On 12/29/2012 6:40 PM, Justin wrote:
    >>>> tlvp wrote on [Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:26:19 -0500]:
    >>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:21:19 -0800, SMS wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> ... Virgin Mobile HTC V One which is on sale for $49.99, ...
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Lovely price, agreed. Ever find one? (Amazon's offering it at $99.99.)
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Is it true, as a Phonescoop review asserts, that "The battery is not
    >>>>> accessible to the user" ? That could become annoying in 2-3 years.
    >>>>
    >>>> Phones aren't designed to last that long anyway
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> I have two Motorola RAZR phones that have been in service for about
    >>> seven years now; one for me and one for my wife. They still work. We
    >>> don't use the RAZRs to shim up a desk, take them for a swim or use them
    >>> for a hammer. With any luck they will last until new technology hits the
    >>> streets.

    >>
    >> So, they died years ago when new technology hit the streets?
    >>
    >>

    > Your meaning is less than clear! My wife and I will continue to use
    > our current phones until they no longer meet our needs. So far I
    > haven't seen anything that VZW offers that would move me to upgrade.


    New technology has hit the streets many times over since those phones
    were produced
     
  9. On 1/1/2013 1:14 PM, Justin wrote:
    > Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:57:50 -0500]:
    >> On 12/31/2012 2:32 AM, Justin wrote:
    >>> Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Sun, 30 Dec 2012 22:46:10 -0500]:
    >>>> On 12/29/2012 6:40 PM, Justin wrote:
    >>>>> tlvp wrote on [Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:26:19 -0500]:
    >>>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:21:19 -0800, SMS wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> ... Virgin Mobile HTC V One which is on sale for $49.99, ...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Lovely price, agreed. Ever find one? (Amazon's offering it at $99.99.)
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Is it true, as a Phonescoop review asserts, that "The battery is not
    >>>>>> accessible to the user" ? That could become annoying in 2-3 years.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Phones aren't designed to last that long anyway
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> I have two Motorola RAZR phones that have been in service for about
    >>>> seven years now; one for me and one for my wife. They still work. We
    >>>> don't use the RAZRs to shim up a desk, take them for a swim or use them
    >>>> for a hammer. With any luck they will last until new technology hits the
    >>>> streets.
    >>>
    >>> So, they died years ago when new technology hit the streets?
    >>>
    >>>

    >> Your meaning is less than clear! My wife and I will continue to use
    >> our current phones until they no longer meet our needs. So far I
    >> haven't seen anything that VZW offers that would move me to upgrade.

    >
    > New technology has hit the streets many times over since those phones
    > were produced
    >


    Okay. Is it "significantly better" than what I have? Is it the same
    but for significantly lower cost? I'm NOT going to spend money without
    some significant benefit. I don't see one!
     
  10. Justin

    Justin Guest

    Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Tue, 01 Jan 2013 13:37:17 -0500]:
    > On 1/1/2013 1:14 PM, Justin wrote:
    >> Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:57:50 -0500]:
    >>> On 12/31/2012 2:32 AM, Justin wrote:
    >>>> Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Sun, 30 Dec 2012 22:46:10 -0500]:
    >>>>> On 12/29/2012 6:40 PM, Justin wrote:
    >>>>>> tlvp wrote on [Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:26:19 -0500]:
    >>>>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:21:19 -0800, SMS wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> ... Virgin Mobile HTC V One which is on sale for $49.99, ...
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Lovely price, agreed. Ever find one? (Amazon's offering it at $99.99.)
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Is it true, as a Phonescoop review asserts, that "The battery is not
    >>>>>>> accessible to the user" ? That could become annoying in 2-3 years.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Phones aren't designed to last that long anyway
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I have two Motorola RAZR phones that have been in service for about
    >>>>> seven years now; one for me and one for my wife. They still work. We
    >>>>> don't use the RAZRs to shim up a desk, take them for a swim or use them
    >>>>> for a hammer. With any luck they will last until new technology hits the
    >>>>> streets.
    >>>>
    >>>> So, they died years ago when new technology hit the streets?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>> Your meaning is less than clear! My wife and I will continue to use
    >>> our current phones until they no longer meet our needs. So far I
    >>> haven't seen anything that VZW offers that would move me to upgrade.

    >>
    >> New technology has hit the streets many times over since those phones
    >> were produced
    >>

    >
    > Okay. Is it "significantly better" than what I have?


    Yes
     
  11. On 1/1/2013 2:30 PM, Justin wrote:
    > Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Tue, 01 Jan 2013 13:37:17 -0500]:
    >> On 1/1/2013 1:14 PM, Justin wrote:
    >>> Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:57:50 -0500]:
    >>>> On 12/31/2012 2:32 AM, Justin wrote:
    >>>>> Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Sun, 30 Dec 2012 22:46:10 -0500]:
    >>>>>> On 12/29/2012 6:40 PM, Justin wrote:
    >>>>>>> tlvp wrote on [Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:26:19 -0500]:
    >>>>>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:21:19 -0800, SMS wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> ... Virgin Mobile HTC V One which is on sale for $49.99, ...
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Lovely price, agreed. Ever find one? (Amazon's offering it at $99.99.)
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Is it true, as a Phonescoop review asserts, that "The battery is not
    >>>>>>>> accessible to the user" ? That could become annoying in 2-3 years.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Phones aren't designed to last that long anyway
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I have two Motorola RAZR phones that have been in service for about
    >>>>>> seven years now; one for me and one for my wife. They still work. We
    >>>>>> don't use the RAZRs to shim up a desk, take them for a swim or use them
    >>>>>> for a hammer. With any luck they will last until new technology hits the
    >>>>>> streets.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> So, they died years ago when new technology hit the streets?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>> Your meaning is less than clear! My wife and I will continue to use
    >>>> our current phones until they no longer meet our needs. So far I
    >>>> haven't seen anything that VZW offers that would move me to upgrade.
    >>>
    >>> New technology has hit the streets many times over since those phones
    >>> were produced
    >>>

    >>
    >> Okay. Is it "significantly better" than what I have?

    >
    > Yes
    >


    Since my wife and I are getting along fine, I have to wonder
    what the new technology does that might move us to "upgrade".
     
  12. On 1/1/2013 2:30 PM, Justin wrote:
    > Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Tue, 01 Jan 2013 13:37:17 -0500]:
    >> On 1/1/2013 1:14 PM, Justin wrote:
    >>> Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:57:50 -0500]:
    >>>> On 12/31/2012 2:32 AM, Justin wrote:
    >>>>> Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Sun, 30 Dec 2012 22:46:10 -0500]:
    >>>>>> On 12/29/2012 6:40 PM, Justin wrote:
    >>>>>>> tlvp wrote on [Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:26:19 -0500]:
    >>>>>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:21:19 -0800, SMS wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> ... Virgin Mobile HTC V One which is on sale for $49.99, ...
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Lovely price, agreed. Ever find one? (Amazon's offering it at $99.99.)
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Is it true, as a Phonescoop review asserts, that "The battery is not
    >>>>>>>> accessible to the user" ? That could become annoying in 2-3 years.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Phones aren't designed to last that long anyway
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I have two Motorola RAZR phones that have been in service for about
    >>>>>> seven years now; one for me and one for my wife. They still work. We
    >>>>>> don't use the RAZRs to shim up a desk, take them for a swim or use them
    >>>>>> for a hammer. With any luck they will last until new technology hits the
    >>>>>> streets.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> So, they died years ago when new technology hit the streets?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>> Your meaning is less than clear! My wife and I will continue to use
    >>>> our current phones until they no longer meet our needs. So far I
    >>>> haven't seen anything that VZW offers that would move me to upgrade.
    >>>
    >>> New technology has hit the streets many times over since those phones
    >>> were produced
    >>>

    >>
    >> Okay. Is it "significantly better" than what I have?

    >
    > Yes
    >


    Could you be a little more specific?
     
  13. Justin

    Justin Guest

    Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Tue, 01 Jan 2013 15:52:42 -0500]:
    > On 1/1/2013 2:30 PM, Justin wrote:
    >> Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Tue, 01 Jan 2013 13:37:17 -0500]:
    >>> On 1/1/2013 1:14 PM, Justin wrote:
    >>>> Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:57:50 -0500]:
    >>>>> On 12/31/2012 2:32 AM, Justin wrote:
    >>>>>> Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Sun, 30 Dec 2012 22:46:10 -0500]:
    >>>>>>> On 12/29/2012 6:40 PM, Justin wrote:
    >>>>>>>> tlvp wrote on [Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:26:19 -0500]:
    >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:21:19 -0800, SMS wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> ... Virgin Mobile HTC V One which is on sale for $49.99, ...
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Lovely price, agreed. Ever find one? (Amazon's offering it at $99.99.)
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Is it true, as a Phonescoop review asserts, that "The battery is not
    >>>>>>>>> accessible to the user" ? That could become annoying in 2-3 years.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Phones aren't designed to last that long anyway
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I have two Motorola RAZR phones that have been in service for about
    >>>>>>> seven years now; one for me and one for my wife. They still work. We
    >>>>>>> don't use the RAZRs to shim up a desk, take them for a swim or use them
    >>>>>>> for a hammer. With any luck they will last until new technology hits the
    >>>>>>> streets.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> So, they died years ago when new technology hit the streets?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>> Your meaning is less than clear! My wife and I will continue to use
    >>>>> our current phones until they no longer meet our needs. So far I
    >>>>> haven't seen anything that VZW offers that would move me to upgrade.
    >>>>
    >>>> New technology has hit the streets many times over since those phones
    >>>> were produced
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Okay. Is it "significantly better" than what I have?

    >>
    >> Yes
    >>

    >
    > Could you be a little more specific?


    Yes
     
  14. tlvp

    tlvp Guest

    On Tue, 1 Jan 2013 19:30:11 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:

    >> Okay. Is it "significantly better" than what I have?

    >
    > Yes


    In the eyes of at least one beholder. But not of all. Cheers, -- tlvp
    --
    Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
     
  15. tlvp

    tlvp Guest

    On Tue, 1 Jan 2013 18:14:09 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:

    > tlvp wrote on [Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:29:41 -0500]:
    >> On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 07:33:41 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:
    >>
    >>> I know it sure feels like LG designs their phones to die at 367 days after
    >>> being put into service. I.e. just after the 1 year warranty ends

    >>
    >> LG, you say? Here I'm using a cingular-branded LG cu-400 that at&t customer
    >> care talked me through SIM-unlocking (after I salvaged it from a cell phone
    >> recycling bin at my university) for future use with "a foreign carrier"
    >> (well, T-Mobile to be exact), and it's doing just fine -- it's even on its
    >> original battery, and getting 48-60 hours before gasping for a recharge.
    >> Its cu400 software version is dated November 2006, so that handset must be
    >> a good half-dozen years long in the tooth, by now, but still going strong.
    >>
    >> So much, then, for your claimed designed-in obsolescence of LG phones :) .

    >
    > It's all anecdotal.


    Right. You have your anecdotes and I have mine. They're all just anecdotes,
    proving nothing but what serving as counterexamples to invalid
    generalizations.

    > I had some flip phone from them that died right after it
    > was time for a new phone and I had a VX-9700 that died about 6 months before
    > I was eligible for a new phone.


    So: obviously the three LG phones we know suffered from highly variable
    build quality. No more to be inferred than that. Cheers, -- tlvp
    --
    Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
     
  16. On 1/1/2013 4:10 PM, Justin wrote:
    > Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Tue, 01 Jan 2013 15:52:42 -0500]:
    >> On 1/1/2013 2:30 PM, Justin wrote:
    >>> Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Tue, 01 Jan 2013 13:37:17 -0500]:
    >>>> On 1/1/2013 1:14 PM, Justin wrote:
    >>>>> Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:57:50 -0500]:
    >>>>>> On 12/31/2012 2:32 AM, Justin wrote:
    >>>>>>> Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Sun, 30 Dec 2012 22:46:10 -0500]:
    >>>>>>>> On 12/29/2012 6:40 PM, Justin wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> tlvp wrote on [Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:26:19 -0500]:
    >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:21:19 -0800, SMS wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> ... Virgin Mobile HTC V One which is on sale for $49.99, ...
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Lovely price, agreed. Ever find one? (Amazon's offering it at $99.99.)
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Is it true, as a Phonescoop review asserts, that "The battery is not
    >>>>>>>>>> accessible to the user" ? That could become annoying in 2-3 years.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Phones aren't designed to last that long anyway
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> I have two Motorola RAZR phones that have been in service for about
    >>>>>>>> seven years now; one for me and one for my wife. They still work. We
    >>>>>>>> don't use the RAZRs to shim up a desk, take them for a swim or use them
    >>>>>>>> for a hammer. With any luck they will last until new technology hits the
    >>>>>>>> streets.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> So, they died years ago when new technology hit the streets?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>> Your meaning is less than clear! My wife and I will continue to use
    >>>>>> our current phones until they no longer meet our needs. So far I
    >>>>>> haven't seen anything that VZW offers that would move me to upgrade.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> New technology has hit the streets many times over since those phones
    >>>>> were produced
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Okay. Is it "significantly better" than what I have?
    >>>
    >>> Yes
    >>>

    >>
    >> Could you be a little more specific?

    >
    > Yes
    >


    Please elucidate!
     
  17. Justin

    Justin Guest

    tlvp wrote on [Thu, 3 Jan 2013 02:55:12 -0500]:
    >> You can do it without having to go to the ATM

    >
    > What? I can get cash -- a half a dozen 20s, say -- without having a teller
    > or an ATM hand them to me? How, prithee?
    >
    > Cheers, -- tlvp


    There's a whole lot more to banking than getting 20s

    I rarely withdraw cash from an ATM or bank teller
     
  18. sms

    sms Guest

    On 1/2/2013 3:30 PM, nobody@nada.com wrote:

    > It offers getting full value from the monthly costs you now pay for
    > "service" which includes a significant portion to subsidize the cost
    > of the phones. About 60% of the real cost of your phones is recaptured
    > in the monthly charges, so if you don't upgrade you are "wasting" that
    > money. At the very least, if you don't want to actually get a new
    > phone to use, get the upgrade and resell th ephone for more than twice
    > what the subsidized price is. Otherwise you ae simply leaving money on
    > the table.


    While Richard is significantly over-paying for his present Verizon
    service, paying the $35 upgrade fee for another dumb phone, then selling
    the phone on eBay or Craigslist probably doesn't make sense anymore
    because the resale value of a new dumb phone is not much more than $35.
    It made sense back before Verizon instituted the $35 upgrade fee and
    before the bottom fell out of the market for dumb phones.

    Not everyone cares about saving $20/month or so on each of their cell
    phones, it's just not a priority. I've probably told fifty Verizon
    customers that don't use a lot of minutes or data about Pageplus and
    maybe 50% have switched. Some got dumb phones for their kids, some
    wanted smart phones without a data plan, and some were like Richard,
    happy with their dumb phone and with no desire for a smart phone, but
    they didn't like paying $20-30/month per phone for a dumb phone.


    “It's best not to argue with people who are determined to lose. Once
    you've told them about a superior alternative, your responsibility is
    fulfilled and you can allow them to lose in peace.”

    Mark Crispin, Inventor of the IMAP e-Mail Protocol
     
  19. SMS

    SMS Guest

    On 1/2/2013 6:58 PM, AL wrote:

    > That is of course if you (Richard) need to be locked in to Verizon's
    > service for another 2 years. Perhaps, as it has been pointed out here
    > several times before, you could save a considerable amount of cash by
    > just getting your basic service elsewhere and then you wouldn't have
    > to fart around with the idiot idea of selling your new subsidized
    > phone on ebay...


    This is true. But if you're planning to stay with your carrier anyway
    then not taking the subsidized phone is not all that smart. At least it
    wasn't prior to the $35 upgrade fee.

    Richard simply doesn't care about saving $40-50 per month, it's just not
    a priority for him, so he's not going to use an MVNO for his basic service.

    Not everyone is a cost sensitive customer, and it's a good thing because
    these wealthy customers subsidize customers that are cost sensitive. If
    every customer like Richard switched to Pageplus then Verizon might
    terminate their MVNO relationship with Pageplus because they would
    realize that it was costing them a lot of revenue.

    I'm amazed that there are still any non-smart phone customers left on
    Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint, it's just such a financially bad deal that
    there's no logic in it.



    “It's best not to argue with people who are determined to lose. Once
    you've told them about a superior alternative, your responsibility is
    fulfilled and you can allow them to lose in peace.”

    Mark Crispin, Inventor of the IMAP e-Mail Protocol
     
  20. Per SMS:
    >I'm amazed that there are still any non-smart phone customers left on
    >Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint, it's just such a financially bad deal that
    >there's no logic in it.


    Having recently caved in and replaced my candybar phone with a
    smart phone, I would go a little further and postulate that
    within 5 years anybody without a smart phone and IP connectivity
    is going tb considered among the disadvantaged.
    --
    Pete Cresswell
     

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