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VX6000 Working in Rural Areas?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Diane K. Jensen, Sep 11, 2003.

  1. Since the 6000 doesn't switch over to analog mode, has anyone had any
    problems sending or receiving calls when they're away from a big city?
     



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  2. Steve Crow

    Steve Crow Guest

    What all too many people don't realize is that RURAL does not equal
    ANALOG.

    Pull out an America's Choice map.

    Personally, my answer is "no", I've had no problems.

    Steve

    On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Diane K. Jensen wrote:

    > Since the 6000 doesn't switch over to analog mode, has anyone had any
    > problems sending or receiving calls when they're away from a big city?
    >
    >
    >



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  3. David L

    David L Guest

    "Diane K. Jensen" <dkjwebs@pobox.com> wrote in article
    <l6SdnTLuT9UN0_yiU-KYvg@comcast.com>:
    > Since the 6000 doesn't switch over to analog mode, has anyone had any
    > problems sending or receiving calls when they're away from a big city?
    >
    >


    I'm a die-hard analog fan, only because analog signals seem to penetrate
    fringe/forested/rural/
    and canyons better.

    I was suprised that Verizon has turned on Digital, out in the middle of
    nowhere, while camping this summer. Digital and analog coverage never
    seemed too far apart, at least in my limited CA tests.

    Noticed a reoccuring pattern in many areas... while in analog mode, to
    get a digital signal, I had to walk a higher up a hill.

    I think there are still some analog only roaming partners out in the
    western US?

    -
    David

    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  4. George

    George Guest

    <davNOLindiSpamatHotmaledotkom (David L)> wrote in message
    news:vm2qjtsritfg17@corp.supernews.com...
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > I'm a die-hard analog fan, only because analog signals seem to penetrate
    > fringe/forested/rural/
    > and canyons better.
    >
    > I was suprised that Verizon has turned on Digital, out in the middle of
    > nowhere, while camping this summer. Digital and analog coverage never
    > seemed too far apart, at least in my limited CA tests.
    >
    > Noticed a reoccuring pattern in many areas... while in analog mode, to
    > get a digital signal, I had to walk a higher up a hill.
    >
    > I think there are still some analog only roaming partners out in the
    > western US?


    There is analog only roaming not far from where I live. Specifically it is
    Wayne & Pike counties in PA. Previously it cost $0.69/minute but VZW
    recently made a roaming agreement with the mom & pop Cellular one that owns
    the area. In reality it doesn't help much because the toy phones we use have
    difficulty reaching the cell sites unless you happen to be within a few
    miles of one..



    >
    > -
    > David
    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  5. BigAl

    BigAl Guest

    If you do any traveling off the main interstates, sometimes analog come in
    handy

    I'd rather have a non colored phone, downloadable ringtones and replaceable
    colored faceplates
    that worked when I travel

    That other stuff is made for kids that spend their part time work earnings
    on a cellphone....

    HAHHAHAHAH

    "Diane K. Jensen" <dkjwebs@pobox.com> wrote in message
    news:l6SdnTLuT9UN0_yiU-KYvg@comcast.com...
    > Since the 6000 doesn't switch over to analog mode, has anyone had any
    > problems sending or receiving calls when they're away from a big city?
    >
    >
     
  6. Tech Man

    Tech Man Guest

    "George" <George@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    >>
    >> There is analog only roaming not far from where I live. Specifically it is
    >> Wayne & Pike counties in PA. Previously it cost $0.69/minute but VZW
    >> recently made a roaming agreement with the mom & pop Cellular one that owns
    >> the area. In reality it doesn't help much because the toy phones we use have
    >> difficulty reaching the cell sites unless you happen to be within a few
    >> miles of one..


    Yep. I have become used to ignoring my cellphone when I run I-84 between
    Scranton and Port Jervis.
     
  7. Coasterbuf

    Coasterbuf Guest

    The other points I can perhaps see. But what's your beef with color? I
    rather have a readable phone than an "adult" phone (whatever that is) with a
    poor display that I can't read. My old non-color, non-ringtone phone died
    recently and I replaced it with a VX6000 and I couldn't be happier. Finally
    something I can READ. But hey...to each's own.



    "BigAl" <BigAl@ahyg.nyt> wrote in message
    news:qKj8b.163098$Ay2.39571411@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
    > If you do any traveling off the main interstates, sometimes analog come in
    > handy
    >
    > I'd rather have a non colored phone, downloadable ringtones and

    replaceable
    > colored faceplates
    > that worked when I travel
    >
    > That other stuff is made for kids that spend their part time work earnings
    > on a cellphone....
    >
    > HAHHAHAHAH
    >
    > "Diane K. Jensen" <dkjwebs@pobox.com> wrote in message
    > news:l6SdnTLuT9UN0_yiU-KYvg@comcast.com...
    > > Since the 6000 doesn't switch over to analog mode, has anyone had any
    > > problems sending or receiving calls when they're away from a big city?
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
     
  8. Tech Man

    Tech Man Guest

    "Coasterbuf" <coasterbuf@NOSPAMcox.net> wrote:

    >> The other points I can perhaps see. But what's your beef with color? I
    >> rather have a readable phone than an "adult" phone (whatever that is) with a
    >> poor display that I can't read. My old non-color, non-ringtone phone died
    >> recently and I replaced it with a VX6000 and I couldn't be happier. Finally
    >> something I can READ. But hey...to each's own.


    Same reason I switched from my Palm to a PocketPC. My older eyes read color
    much better than B&W.
     
  9. David S

    David S Guest

    On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:41:48 -0400, "Diane K. Jensen" <dkjwebs@pobox.com>
    chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
    everything:

    >Since the 6000 doesn't switch over to analog mode, has anyone had any
    >problems sending or receiving calls when they're away from a big city?


    If you drive I-80 across Illinois, you'll lose it when you leave the
    Chicago market and not get it back until you near Galesburg.

    (Well, my phone preferred to roam analog there. I suppose you might get
    Sprint or USCC; I don't know if they cover it or what kind or roaming it
    would be for you. Hmm, maybe I'll try forcing digital and see what happens
    out there...)

    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    --
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "I had my bad days on the field, but I didn't take them home with me. I
    left them in a bar along the way." - Bob Lemon, at his induction into the
    Baseball Hall of Fame
     
  10. No one seemed to be able to answer this question properly, so I took my new
    6000 for a test drive. I got five miles east of I-75 and had no cell phone
    coverage at all. Nothing. Nada. Just as I expected. So I took the phone
    back to Verizon and replaced it with the 4400. The technician told me that
    all cell phones will be going to digital mode only soon, like the 6000, but
    that is going to be a major problem for us here in Florida. They're going
    to eventually replace all the analog towers with digital ones, but that will
    probably take years here as there are so few digital towers except in the
    big cities. I took the test drive again with the 4400, and when I got to
    the same spot where the 6000 died, my 4400 switched over to AT&T's analog
    network and all was fine. So maybe an all-digital phone will work
    elsewhere, but forget about it here in Florida!

    --

    "Diane K. Jensen" <dkjwebs@pobox.com> wrote in message
    news:l6SdnTLuT9UN0_yiU-KYvg@comcast.com...
    > Since the 6000 doesn't switch over to analog mode, has anyone had any
    > problems sending or receiving calls when they're away from a big city?
    >
    >
     
  11. pb

    pb Guest

    Diane K. Jensen wrote:

    > I took my new
    > 6000 for a test drive. I got five miles east of I-75 and had no cell phone
    > coverage at all. Nothing. Nada. Just as I expected. So I took the phone
    > back to Verizon and replaced it with the 4400. The technician told me that
    > all cell phones will be going to digital mode only soon, like the 6000, but
    > that is going to be a major problem for us here in Florida. They're going
    > to eventually replace all the analog towers with digital ones, but that will
    > probably take years here as there are so few digital towers except in the
    > big cities. I took the test drive again with the 4400, and when I got to
    > the same spot where the 6000 died, my 4400 switched over to AT&T's analog
    > network and all was fine.


    I'm having second thoughts about getting the 6000. Seems like a
    metro phone. I have too many analog-only situations to flirt with
    digital-only at this point.

    pb
     
  12. If you're in an area where there's a lot of analog-only situations (like I
    have here in central Florida), don't even think about getting the 6000. You
    won't have much coverage. There are even many spots along I-75 that don't
    have digital coverage, so if you break down, you're S.O.L.

    Diane


    "pb" <pb_public@operamail.com> wrote in message
    news:k3c8mvg4k38qkndgobmoap9ip43ll7ufbo@4ax.com...
    > Diane K. Jensen wrote:
    >
    > > I took my new
    > > 6000 for a test drive. I got five miles east of I-75 and had no cell

    phone
    > > coverage at all. Nothing. Nada. Just as I expected. So I took the

    phone
    > > back to Verizon and replaced it with the 4400. The technician told me

    that
    > > all cell phones will be going to digital mode only soon, like the 6000,

    but
    > > that is going to be a major problem for us here in Florida. They're

    going
    > > to eventually replace all the analog towers with digital ones, but that

    will
    > > probably take years here as there are so few digital towers except in

    the
    > > big cities. I took the test drive again with the 4400, and when I got

    to
    > > the same spot where the 6000 died, my 4400 switched over to AT&T's

    analog
    > > network and all was fine.

    >
    > I'm having second thoughts about getting the 6000. Seems like a
    > metro phone. I have too many analog-only situations to flirt with
    > digital-only at this point.
    >
    > pb
     
  13. pb

    pb Guest

    Diane K. Jensen wrote:

    > If you're in an area where there's a lot of analog-only situations (like I
    > have here in central Florida), don't even think about getting the 6000.


    It's not that there are a "lot", but that even the few that there
    are are important to me. It's often that I'm on a job site using
    the phone, rather than on the road, so any lack of coverage could
    affect me for the whole work day, rather than a shorter period of
    time.

    pb
     
  14. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:56:06 -0400, "Diane K. Jensen"
    <dkjwebs@pobox.com> wrote:

    >No one seemed to be able to answer this question properly, so I took my new
    >6000 for a test drive. I got five miles east of I-75 and had no cell phone
    >coverage at all. Nothing. Nada. Just as I expected. So I took the phone
    >back to Verizon and replaced it with the 4400. The technician told me that
    >all cell phones will be going to digital mode only soon, like the 6000, but
    >that is going to be a major problem for us here in Florida.


    The technician is singing the company line trying to keep you from
    buying AMPS analog capable phones. The current FCC regulations say
    they can, but don't have to, turn analog off on Feb 18, 2008. This
    date has been extended several times because there were still users on
    AMPS, like OnStar in the cars, which depends on AMPS for RANGE and
    RELIABILITY. The date is still not cast in stone.

    The company's attempt to sell phones with no analog feature is an
    attempt to get AMPS off the air to increase revenues, which is
    understandable. FCC won't let 'em turn AMPS off if there are still a
    substantial number of AMPS users, which there are in all rural areas
    where a 200 milliwatt phone's 2 mile range doesn't impress rural
    customers who demand, and get, AMPS phones and service with the 3 watt
    transmitters. No matter whether they are on AMPS or some digital
    modulation scheme, the tiny transmitters are still subject to radio
    propagation physics, no matter how much hype the company produces.
    UHF transmitters don't ever work good in the trees, especially pine
    trees full of needles that act like absorptive antennas to UHF energy.
    More power is needed in heavily forested areas so there is enough
    signal left after 5 miles to reach the AMPS towers spaced wider apart
    than the little phones can tolerate.


    They're going
    >to eventually replace all the analog towers with digital ones, but that will
    >probably take years here as there are so few digital towers except in the
    >big cities. I took the test drive again with the 4400, and when I got to
    >the same spot where the 6000 died, my 4400 switched over to AT&T's analog
    >network and all was fine. So maybe an all-digital phone will work
    >elsewhere, but forget about it here in Florida!
    >

    Florida isn't special. Once you get away from the major road
    arteries, mostly interstate highways, and away from minor cities who
    may have had CDMA added to increase capacity, you're in AMPS country.
    Rural South Carolina is AMPS country about 5 miles away from these
    roads. It's why I carry a Motorola TX200 AMPS 3W bagphone to ensure
    good service. Even then, I sometimes have to use a more powerful
    outside antenna to reach the towers through the Southern forests.

    You did the right thing, even if the company doesn't particularly like
    it.



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
     
  15. Samauri

    Samauri Guest

    nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote:

    >> Florida isn't special. Once you get away from the major road
    >> arteries, mostly interstate highways, and away from minor cities who
    >> may have had CDMA added to increase capacity, you're in AMPS country.


    As much as VZW would like people to believe, your statement is factual.
    During my travels around the country I switch to analog more than one would
    suspect.
     
  16. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:04:28 GMT, Samauri <samauri@nospam123.bis>
    wrote:

    >nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote:
    >
    >>> Florida isn't special. Once you get away from the major road
    >>> arteries, mostly interstate highways, and away from minor cities who
    >>> may have had CDMA added to increase capacity, you're in AMPS country.

    >
    >As much as VZW would like people to believe, your statement is factual.
    >During my travels around the country I switch to analog more than one would
    >suspect.
    >

    Oh, no....The ads tell me VZW is digital EVERYWHERE, now! They
    wouldn't LIE TO US would they?



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
     
  17. Samauri

    Samauri Guest

    nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote:

    >> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:04:28 GMT, Samauri <samauri@nospam123.bis>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote:
    >> >
    >> >>> Florida isn't special. Once you get away from the major road
    >> >>> arteries, mostly interstate highways, and away from minor cities who
    >> >>> may have had CDMA added to increase capacity, you're in AMPS country.
    >> >
    >> >As much as VZW would like people to believe, your statement is factual.
    >> >During my travels around the country I switch to analog more than one would
    >> >suspect.
    >> >

    >> Oh, no....The ads tell me VZW is digital EVERYWHERE, now! They
    >> wouldn't LIE TO US would they?


    Well, technically they're right <G>. If remember my theory, radio signals never
    really die, they just fade weaker into infinity. It's not VZW's fault your
    phone has a receiving sensitivity threshold and no infinite output transmission
    power.....

    It's all marketing bullshit anyway.
     
  18. nnaesor

    nnaesor Guest

    "Diane K. Jensen" <dkjwebs@pobox.com> wrote in message
    news:bZWdnSupg5JGe_6iXTWJiQ@comcast.com...
    > No one seemed to be able to answer this question properly, so I took my

    new
    > 6000 for a test drive. I got five miles east of I-75 and had no cell

    phone
    > coverage at all. Nothing. Nada. Just as I expected. So I took the

    phone
    > back to Verizon and replaced it with the 4400. The technician told me

    that
    > all cell phones will be going to digital mode only soon, like the 6000,

    but
    > that is going to be a major problem for us here in Florida. They're going
    > to eventually replace all the analog towers with digital ones, but that

    will
    > probably take years here as there are so few digital towers except in the
    > big cities. I took the test drive again with the 4400, and when I got to
    > the same spot where the 6000 died, my 4400 switched over to AT&T's analog
    > network and all was fine. So maybe an all-digital phone will work
    > elsewhere, but forget about it here in Florida!
    >
    > --
    >

    Completely anecdotal, but same thing here in NW ohio. I looked at the 6000,
    but ultimately decided on the 4400 simply because I know there are areas
    that I will travel to/through that are analog only. One rave (of many) of
    the 4400 is that is gets/receives calls where my previous v120 did not.

    Roseann
     
  19. Eddie Haskel

    Eddie Haskel Guest

    Hey Larry!
    They didnt use AMPS phones for "Onstar" for range and clarity, they used
    them because they could sell OLD technology and trainloads of OLD style AMPS
    radios to Genital Motors. It was either recycle them into new metal for
    Honda's or sell them with custom software to "Onstar". Ask most ANY Onstar
    owner about the quality of the service and they will cringe...Eddie
    "Larry W4CSC" <nospam@home.com> wrote in message
    news:3f6463fe.133791159@news.knology.net...
    > On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:56:06 -0400, "Diane K. Jensen"
    > <dkjwebs@pobox.com> wrote:
    >
    > >No one seemed to be able to answer this question properly, so I took my

    new
    > >6000 for a test drive. I got five miles east of I-75 and had no cell

    phone
    > >coverage at all. Nothing. Nada. Just as I expected. So I took the

    phone
    > >back to Verizon and replaced it with the 4400. The technician told me

    that
    > >all cell phones will be going to digital mode only soon, like the 6000,

    but
    > >that is going to be a major problem for us here in Florida.

    >
    > The technician is singing the company line trying to keep you from
    > buying AMPS analog capable phones. The current FCC regulations say
    > they can, but don't have to, turn analog off on Feb 18, 2008. This
    > date has been extended several times because there were still users on
    > AMPS, like OnStar in the cars, which depends on AMPS for RANGE and
    > RELIABILITY. The date is still not cast in stone.
    >
    > The company's attempt to sell phones with no analog feature is an
    > attempt to get AMPS off the air to increase revenues, which is
    > understandable. FCC won't let 'em turn AMPS off if there are still a
    > substantial number of AMPS users, which there are in all rural areas
    > where a 200 milliwatt phone's 2 mile range doesn't impress rural
    > customers who demand, and get, AMPS phones and service with the 3 watt
    > transmitters. No matter whether they are on AMPS or some digital
    > modulation scheme, the tiny transmitters are still subject to radio
    > propagation physics, no matter how much hype the company produces.
    > UHF transmitters don't ever work good in the trees, especially pine
    > trees full of needles that act like absorptive antennas to UHF energy.
    > More power is needed in heavily forested areas so there is enough
    > signal left after 5 miles to reach the AMPS towers spaced wider apart
    > than the little phones can tolerate.
    >
    >
    > They're going
    > >to eventually replace all the analog towers with digital ones, but that

    will
    > >probably take years here as there are so few digital towers except in the
    > >big cities. I took the test drive again with the 4400, and when I got to
    > >the same spot where the 6000 died, my 4400 switched over to AT&T's analog
    > >network and all was fine. So maybe an all-digital phone will work
    > >elsewhere, but forget about it here in Florida!
    > >

    > Florida isn't special. Once you get away from the major road
    > arteries, mostly interstate highways, and away from minor cities who
    > may have had CDMA added to increase capacity, you're in AMPS country.
    > Rural South Carolina is AMPS country about 5 miles away from these
    > roads. It's why I carry a Motorola TX200 AMPS 3W bagphone to ensure
    > good service. Even then, I sometimes have to use a more powerful
    > outside antenna to reach the towers through the Southern forests.
    >
    > You did the right thing, even if the company doesn't particularly like
    > it.
    >
    >
    >
    > Larry W4CSC
    >
    > 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    > gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    > conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
     
  20. John

    John Guest

    Must disagree.

    My '03 Acura Onstar cellular has better coverage than:
    AT&T tri-band
    T-Mobile analog/digital
    Sprint PCS

    I am able to use Onstar on just about every road I've tried-- and I've tried
    a bunch. Same spots where you can forget coverage on each of the "regular"
    phones I've tried over the past 6 years. Not quantitative, but I'm pretty
    solidly convinced..........


    "Eddie Haskel" <wiseguy@clever.com> wrote in message
    news:_c69b.167$2F2.12253287@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
    > Hey Larry!
    > They didnt use AMPS phones for "Onstar" for range and clarity, they used
    > them because they could sell OLD technology and trainloads of OLD style

    AMPS
    > radios to Genital Motors. It was either recycle them into new metal for
    > Honda's or sell them with custom software to "Onstar". Ask most ANY Onstar
    > owner about the quality of the service and they will cringe...Eddie
    > "Larry W4CSC" <nospam@home.com> wrote in message
    > news:3f6463fe.133791159@news.knology.net...
    > > On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:56:06 -0400, "Diane K. Jensen"
    > > <dkjwebs@pobox.com> wrote:
    > >
    > > >No one seemed to be able to answer this question properly, so I took my

    > new
    > > >6000 for a test drive. I got five miles east of I-75 and had no cell

    > phone
    > > >coverage at all. Nothing. Nada. Just as I expected. So I took the

    > phone
    > > >back to Verizon and replaced it with the 4400. The technician told me

    > that
    > > >all cell phones will be going to digital mode only soon, like the 6000,

    > but
    > > >that is going to be a major problem for us here in Florida.

    > >
    > > The technician is singing the company line trying to keep you from
    > > buying AMPS analog capable phones. The current FCC regulations say
    > > they can, but don't have to, turn analog off on Feb 18, 2008. This
    > > date has been extended several times because there were still users on
    > > AMPS, like OnStar in the cars, which depends on AMPS for RANGE and
    > > RELIABILITY. The date is still not cast in stone.
    > >
    > > The company's attempt to sell phones with no analog feature is an
    > > attempt to get AMPS off the air to increase revenues, which is
    > > understandable. FCC won't let 'em turn AMPS off if there are still a
    > > substantial number of AMPS users, which there are in all rural areas
    > > where a 200 milliwatt phone's 2 mile range doesn't impress rural
    > > customers who demand, and get, AMPS phones and service with the 3 watt
    > > transmitters. No matter whether they are on AMPS or some digital
    > > modulation scheme, the tiny transmitters are still subject to radio
    > > propagation physics, no matter how much hype the company produces.
    > > UHF transmitters don't ever work good in the trees, especially pine
    > > trees full of needles that act like absorptive antennas to UHF energy.
    > > More power is needed in heavily forested areas so there is enough
    > > signal left after 5 miles to reach the AMPS towers spaced wider apart
    > > than the little phones can tolerate.
    > >
    > >
    > > They're going
    > > >to eventually replace all the analog towers with digital ones, but that

    > will
    > > >probably take years here as there are so few digital towers except in

    the
    > > >big cities. I took the test drive again with the 4400, and when I got

    to
    > > >the same spot where the 6000 died, my 4400 switched over to AT&T's

    analog
    > > >network and all was fine. So maybe an all-digital phone will work
    > > >elsewhere, but forget about it here in Florida!
    > > >

    > > Florida isn't special. Once you get away from the major road
    > > arteries, mostly interstate highways, and away from minor cities who
    > > may have had CDMA added to increase capacity, you're in AMPS country.
    > > Rural South Carolina is AMPS country about 5 miles away from these
    > > roads. It's why I carry a Motorola TX200 AMPS 3W bagphone to ensure
    > > good service. Even then, I sometimes have to use a more powerful
    > > outside antenna to reach the towers through the Southern forests.
    > >
    > > You did the right thing, even if the company doesn't particularly like
    > > it.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Larry W4CSC
    > >
    > > 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    > > gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    > > conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

    >
    >
     

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