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VZW PTT

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by ,.·*`~ Adam ~`*·.,, Sep 28, 2003.

  1. I wonder if Verizon should just drop the PTT service all
    together. They have had previous success in the market without the
    service. Now it seems like the service is getting slammed by people
    for being too slow etc. If they want to do something like that, they
    should offer like unlimited m2m minutes or something when you are on a
    business plan or on certain plans in the consumer line of pricing
    plans. Nexel has the market on the PTT service. Their cellular
    service isn't worth the towers they use, but the PTT is superior to
    Verizon. Just let the contractors stay with Nextel if they want the
    walkie- talkie feature.
     



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  2. Dean M

    Dean M Guest

    Aren't you forgetting one of the largest untapped markets for PTT?

    Without it, how would junior-high school "students" stay in immediate
    (well, in Verizon's case, semi-immediate - LOL) touch with their friends
    while they're all supposed to be in school, learning? After all, schools
    can't prohibit their use since the ACLU will take the school districts
    broke in the name of free speech.

    Dean
    ___________________________________________
    ",.·*`~ Adam ~`*·.," wrote:

    > I wonder if Verizon should just drop the PTT service all
    > together. They have had previous success in the market without the
    > service. Now it seems like the service is getting slammed by people
    > for being too slow etc. If they want to do something like that, they
    > should offer like unlimited m2m minutes or something when you are on a
    > business plan or on certain plans in the consumer line of pricing
    > plans. Nexel has the market on the PTT service. Their cellular
    > service isn't worth the towers they use, but the PTT is superior to
    > Verizon. Just let the contractors stay with Nextel if they want the
    > walkie- talkie feature.
     
  3. George

    George Guest

    ",.·*`~ Adam ~`*·.," <i.hate@spammers.com> wrote in message
    news:luodnvspq4dkek0pdan4dr2lnfvdumhl0k@4ax.com...
    > I wonder if Verizon should just drop the PTT service all
    > together. They have had previous success in the market without the
    > service. Now it seems like the service is getting slammed by people
    > for being too slow etc. If they want to do something like that, they
    > should offer like unlimited m2m minutes or something when you are on a
    > business plan or on certain plans in the consumer line of pricing
    > plans. Nexel has the market on the PTT service. Their cellular
    > service isn't worth the towers they use, but the PTT is superior to
    > Verizon. Just let the contractors stay with Nextel if they want the
    > walkie- talkie feature.


    I don't know whether they should drop PTT but unlimited m2m would be a way
    to retain people who are on the fence. Walkie-talkies are great for
    contractors etc.and I guess they are a gee whiz thing for people who
    actually think PTT is a new idea. I think most people really prefer full
    duplex phones. There are quite a few people I know including me who do not
    want or cannot use PTT in their environment. I know some people who switched
    to Nextel as a cost savings because they were heavy m2m users. Unlimited m2m
    would have retained those people.
     
  4. Ben Skversky

    Ben Skversky Guest

    I find Nextel's cell service to be excellent in the areas I travel to. And
    their customer service is great too.


    ",.·*`~ Adam ~`*·.," <i.hate@spammers.com> wrote in message
    news:luodnvspq4dkek0pdan4dr2lnfvdumhl0k@4ax.com...
    > I wonder if Verizon should just drop the PTT service all
    > together. They have had previous success in the market without the
    > service. Now it seems like the service is getting slammed by people
    > for being too slow etc. If they want to do something like that, they
    > should offer like unlimited m2m minutes or something when you are on a
    > business plan or on certain plans in the consumer line of pricing
    > plans. Nexel has the market on the PTT service. Their cellular
    > service isn't worth the towers they use, but the PTT is superior to
    > Verizon. Just let the contractors stay with Nextel if they want the
    > walkie- talkie feature.
     
  5. maryK

    maryK Guest

    And maybe the contractors will stay with Nextel

    Hey, a friend sent me a FAX of a newspaper called 'Newday' from New York

    The picture on the front show a 12 year old child using a Verizon camera to
    take pictures and sending them ($$$$$)

    Doesn't that tell you something?

    Think, think....
    Downloadable ringtones, colored faceplates...etc

    A PTT will only increase their monthly sales!

    ",.·*`~ Adam ~`*·.," <i.hate@spammers.com> wrote in message
    news:luodnvspq4dkek0pdan4dr2lnfvdumhl0k@4ax.com...
    > I wonder if Verizon should just drop the PTT service all
    > together. They have had previous success in the market without the
    > service. Now it seems like the service is getting slammed by people
    > for being too slow etc. If they want to do something like that, they
    > should offer like unlimited m2m minutes or something when you are on a
    > business plan or on certain plans in the consumer line of pricing
    > plans. Nexel has the market on the PTT service. Their cellular
    > service isn't worth the towers they use, but the PTT is superior to
    > Verizon. Just let the contractors stay with Nextel if they want the
    > walkie- talkie feature.
     
  6. Jake

    Jake Guest

    I think the $20 a month for the PTT is too much. Especially since it's so
    new, there won't be anyone to talk to for a long time.


    ",.·*`~ Adam ~`*·.," <i.hate@spammers.com> wrote in message
    news:luodnvspq4dkek0pdan4dr2lnfvdumhl0k@4ax.com...
    > I wonder if Verizon should just drop the PTT service all
    > together. They have had previous success in the market without the
    > service. Now it seems like the service is getting slammed by people
    > for being too slow etc. If they want to do something like that, they
    > should offer like unlimited m2m minutes or something when you are on a
    > business plan or on certain plans in the consumer line of pricing
    > plans. Nexel has the market on the PTT service. Their cellular
    > service isn't worth the towers they use, but the PTT is superior to
    > Verizon. Just let the contractors stay with Nextel if they want the
    > walkie- talkie feature.
     
  7. John Squire

    John Squire Guest

    As to your comment about the Nextel towers, get a clue. Nextel doesn't
    share towers like Verizon does, so they don't have the coverage area
    Verizon has YET! They'll get there. As for verizon's ptt, Nextel's
    digital format is better. Superior technology, from a company with
    greater vision. Also the only reason Verizon is as big as it is, is
    because it came from the merger of 6 companies!!
    "Jake" <Bgates@hotmail.com> wrote in article
    <nlWdb.21791$Wd7.3546@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>:
    > I think the $20 a month for the PTT is too much. Especially since it's so
    > new, there won't be anyone to talk to for a long time.
    >
    >
    > ",.·*`~ Adam ~`*·.," <i.hate@spammers.com> wrote in message
    > news:luodnvspq4dkek0pdan4dr2lnfvdumhl0k@4ax.com...
    > > I wonder if Verizon should just drop the PTT service all
    > > together. They have had previous success in the market without the
    > > service. Now it seems like the service is getting slammed by people
    > > for being too slow etc. If they want to do something like that, they
    > > should offer like unlimited m2m minutes or something when you are on a
    > > business plan or on certain plans in the consumer line of pricing
    > > plans. Nexel has the market on the PTT service. Their cellular
    > > service isn't worth the towers they use, but the PTT is superior to
    > > Verizon. Just let the contractors stay with Nextel if they want the
    > > walkie- talkie feature.

    >
    >


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  8. Male Bomb

    Male Bomb Guest


    > greater vision. Also the only reason Verizon is as big as it is, is
    > because it came from the merger of 6 companies!!


    Actually it was 4, BAM, GTE , Airtouch and PrimeCo... MB


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  9. jbsquireii@hotmail.com (John Squire) wrote in article
    <vni1sparuspd6c@corp.supernews.com>:
    >
    > As to your comment about the Nextel towers, get a clue. Nextel doesn't
    > share towers like Verizon does, so they don't have the coverage area
    > Verizon has YET! They'll get there. As for verizon's ptt, Nextel's
    > digital format is better. Superior technology, from a company with
    > greater vision. Also the only reason Verizon is as big as it is, is
    > because it came from the merger of 6 companies!!


    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    Nextel will take YEARS to catch up to the coverage map Verizon provides,
    not to mention that Verizon is nearly twice the size of Nextel.

    Verizon was a merger of 6 companies to you but in all reality its just a
    joint venture between Verizon Communications and VodaFone.

    How do you figure IDEN is better than CDMA?

    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  10. What you both are missing is the fact that currently Nextel covers more
    major cities than Verizon. Verizon will have to acquire licenses in
    those markets to equal Nextel. On the other hand Verizon covers more
    sq. miles.

    thrillme5@aol.com (P Howard) wrote in article
    <vnj1ms5269crf9@corp.supernews.com>:
    > Mark... just wanted to remind you that in order for this to happen,
    > Nextel would have to spend tens of billions of dollars in a short amount
    > of time. Every press release I seem to see come out of Verizon Wireless
    > highlights their 4 billion dollar per year capex... tops in the
    > industry. So, in order for Nextel to surpass VZW's coverage, VZW would
    > have to STOP spending the most in the industry on their network, and
    > Nextel would have to START spending more than any other carrier... for a
    > couple of years. Do you think this is likely? Keeping in mind that
    > Nextel does not have a Baby Bell parent and has already gone public to
    > raise capital, which neither Cingular or Verizon Wireless have done yet?
    > That's a 10-20 billion dollar check that Cingular and Verizon haven't
    > cashed yet, and Nextel already has...
    >
    > Just a thought.
    >
    > --
    > Verizon customer/ formerly Cingular user/ formerly Sprint PCS user
    >
    >
    > askme@askme.com (Mark F) wrote in article
    > <vnihiqgbnda680@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > Most if not all of the cellular companies got out of the tower ownership
    > > business along time ago. ALL the cellular companies HAVE TO share tower
    > > space because of the current permitting requirements that encourage
    > > co-location rather than building new. This has no bearing on the
    > > coverage differences between Verizon and NEXTEL.
    > >
    > > The footprint difference is driven by the allotment of frequencies and
    > > how they are licensed. Verizon, AT&T, Cingular, etc. have geographic
    > > licenses and are allowed to put their frequencies anywhere within their
    > > market without requesting individual site licenses (except for sites
    > > that are right on their coverage boarder) from the FCC. Nextel on the
    > > other hand HAS TO individually license EACH frequency at EACH tower
    > > site. This is because Nextel utilizes frequencies in the General
    > > Category 800 MHz band. They have to share and protect others that
    > > utilize the same frequencies, such as public safety and other individual
    > > licensees, from co-channel interference. This limits them to site
    > > deployment in areas across the US.
    > >
    > > For the better part of the last 2 years Nextel has been trying to do a
    > > frequency swap with the Public Safety 821 MHz band that is reserved
    > > Country Wide. If Nextel is successful in pulling this off they will
    > > have frequencies that are non-competing nationwide (just like the
    > > cellulars) and in a very short time will have coverage maps that will
    > > equal or exceed Verizion with no roaming and even a larger PTT
    > > footprint.
    > > --
    > > Mark
    > >
    > >
    > > jbsquireii@hotmail.com (John Squire) wrote in article
    > > <vni1sparuspd6c@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > >
    > > > As to your comment about the Nextel towers, get a clue. Nextel doesn't
    > > > share towers like Verizon does, so they don't have the coverage area
    > > > Verizon has YET! They'll get there. As for verizon's ptt, Nextel's
    > > > digital format is better. Superior technology, from a company with
    > > > greater vision. Also the only reason Verizon is as big as it is, is
    > > > because it came from the merger of 6 companies!!
    > > > "Jake" <Bgates@hotmail.com> wrote in article
    > > > <nlWdb.21791$Wd7.3546@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>:
    > > > > I think the $20 a month for the PTT is too much. Especially since it's so
    > > > > new, there won't be anyone to talk to for a long time.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > ",.·*`~ Adam ~`*·.," <i.hate@spammers.com> wrote in message
    > > > > news:luodnvspq4dkek0pdan4dr2lnfvdumhl0k@4ax.com...
    > > > > > I wonder if Verizon should just drop the PTT service all
    > > > > > together. They have had previous success in the market without the
    > > > > > service. Now it seems like the service is getting slammed by people
    > > > > > for being too slow etc. If they want to do something like that, they
    > > > > > should offer like unlimited m2m minutes or something when you are on a
    > > > > > business plan or on certain plans in the consumer line of pricing
    > > > > > plans. Nexel has the market on the PTT service. Their cellular
    > > > > > service isn't worth the towers they use, but the PTT is superior to
    > > > > > Verizon. Just let the contractors stay with Nextel if they want the
    > > > > > walkie- talkie feature.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    > >
    > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  11. Lets see...Verizon is in 49 of 50 top cities in the country and 194 of
    the top 200. Doesnt sound like they have much acquiring to deal with. 6
    markets out of 200...I'd be happy with that, but I'm sure Verizon is
    not. They will get in those markets eventually. On the other hand,
    Nextel will need to spend billions to get the same coverage in square
    miles.

    lanninga@prodigy.net (Jared Robinson) wrote in article
    <vnjaamdc4nmkaa@corp.supernews.com>:
    > What you both are missing is the fact that currently Nextel covers more
    > major cities than Verizon. Verizon will have to acquire licenses in
    > those markets to equal Nextel. On the other hand Verizon covers more
    > sq. miles.
    >
    > thrillme5@aol.com (P Howard) wrote in article
    > <vnj1ms5269crf9@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > Mark... just wanted to remind you that in order for this to happen,
    > > Nextel would have to spend tens of billions of dollars in a short amount
    > > of time. Every press release I seem to see come out of Verizon Wireless
    > > highlights their 4 billion dollar per year capex... tops in the
    > > industry. So, in order for Nextel to surpass VZW's coverage, VZW would
    > > have to STOP spending the most in the industry on their network, and
    > > Nextel would have to START spending more than any other carrier... for a
    > > couple of years. Do you think this is likely? Keeping in mind that
    > > Nextel does not have a Baby Bell parent and has already gone public to
    > > raise capital, which neither Cingular or Verizon Wireless have done yet?
    > > That's a 10-20 billion dollar check that Cingular and Verizon haven't
    > > cashed yet, and Nextel already has...
    > >
    > > Just a thought.
    > >
    > > --
    > > Verizon customer/ formerly Cingular user/ formerly Sprint PCS user
    > >
    > >
    > > askme@askme.com (Mark F) wrote in article
    > > <vnihiqgbnda680@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > > Most if not all of the cellular companies got out of the tower ownership
    > > > business along time ago. ALL the cellular companies HAVE TO share tower
    > > > space because of the current permitting requirements that encourage
    > > > co-location rather than building new. This has no bearing on the
    > > > coverage differences between Verizon and NEXTEL.
    > > >
    > > > The footprint difference is driven by the allotment of frequencies and
    > > > how they are licensed. Verizon, AT&T, Cingular, etc. have geographic
    > > > licenses and are allowed to put their frequencies anywhere within their
    > > > market without requesting individual site licenses (except for sites
    > > > that are right on their coverage boarder) from the FCC. Nextel on the
    > > > other hand HAS TO individually license EACH frequency at EACH tower
    > > > site. This is because Nextel utilizes frequencies in the General
    > > > Category 800 MHz band. They have to share and protect others that
    > > > utilize the same frequencies, such as public safety and other individual
    > > > licensees, from co-channel interference. This limits them to site
    > > > deployment in areas across the US.
    > > >
    > > > For the better part of the last 2 years Nextel has been trying to do a
    > > > frequency swap with the Public Safety 821 MHz band that is reserved
    > > > Country Wide. If Nextel is successful in pulling this off they will
    > > > have frequencies that are non-competing nationwide (just like the
    > > > cellulars) and in a very short time will have coverage maps that will
    > > > equal or exceed Verizion with no roaming and even a larger PTT
    > > > footprint.
    > > > --
    > > > Mark
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > jbsquireii@hotmail.com (John Squire) wrote in article
    > > > <vni1sparuspd6c@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > > >
    > > > > As to your comment about the Nextel towers, get a clue. Nextel doesn't
    > > > > share towers like Verizon does, so they don't have the coverage area
    > > > > Verizon has YET! They'll get there. As for verizon's ptt, Nextel's
    > > > > digital format is better. Superior technology, from a company with
    > > > > greater vision. Also the only reason Verizon is as big as it is, is
    > > > > because it came from the merger of 6 companies!!
    > > > > "Jake" <Bgates@hotmail.com> wrote in article
    > > > > <nlWdb.21791$Wd7.3546@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>:
    > > > > > I think the $20 a month for the PTT is too much. Especially since it's so
    > > > > > new, there won't be anyone to talk to for a long time.
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > ",.·*`~ Adam ~`*·.," <i.hate@spammers.com> wrote in message
    > > > > > news:luodnvspq4dkek0pdan4dr2lnfvdumhl0k@4ax.com...
    > > > > > > I wonder if Verizon should just drop the PTT service all
    > > > > > > together. They have had previous success in the market without the
    > > > > > > service. Now it seems like the service is getting slammed by people
    > > > > > > for being too slow etc. If they want to do something like that, they
    > > > > > > should offer like unlimited m2m minutes or something when you are on a
    > > > > > > business plan or on certain plans in the consumer line of pricing
    > > > > > > plans. Nexel has the market on the PTT service. Their cellular
    > > > > > > service isn't worth the towers they use, but the PTT is superior to
    > > > > > > Verizon. Just let the contractors stay with Nextel if they want the
    > > > > > > walkie- talkie feature.
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > [posted via phonescoop.com]
    > > >
    > > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    > >
    > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  12. Whiz Kid

    Whiz Kid Guest

    Having spectrum licenses has got nothing to with actual coverage. Actual
    coverage is determined by how much of spectrum is built out.

    Even in major citites, Nextel sucks. I work in Boston and live in a
    Boston suburb. NExtel wouldnt work where I live and is just so so in
    metro area.

    Verizon is the coverage king. It will take Nextel 5-10 yrs and billions
    of dollars in capitol to equal Verizon in coverage area.

    If not for PTT, Nextel as a company might not even exist today. Their
    wireless network is one of the crappiest ones in the country.

    -WK.

    lanninga@prodigy.net (Jared Robinson) wrote in article
    <vnjaamdc4nmkaa@corp.supernews.com>:
    > What you both are missing is the fact that currently Nextel covers more
    > major cities than Verizon. Verizon will have to acquire licenses in
    > those markets to equal Nextel. On the other hand Verizon covers more
    > sq. miles.
    >


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  13. P Howard

    P Howard Guest

    Nextel owns spectrum in all of the top 100 markets, which VZW does not;
    but if you include VZW's seamless interaction with Alltel, VZW covers
    well more cities than Nextel, as well as square miles, too.

    --
    Verizon customer/ formerly Cingular user/ formerly Sprint PCS user


    lanninga@prodigy.net (Jared Robinson) wrote in article
    <vnjaamdc4nmkaa@corp.supernews.com>:
    > What you both are missing is the fact that currently Nextel covers more
    > major cities than Verizon. Verizon will have to acquire licenses in
    > those markets to equal Nextel. On the other hand Verizon covers more
    > sq. miles.
    >
    > thrillme5@aol.com (P Howard) wrote in article
    > <vnj1ms5269crf9@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > Mark... just wanted to remind you that in order for this to happen,
    > > Nextel would have to spend tens of billions of dollars in a short amount
    > > of time. Every press release I seem to see come out of Verizon Wireless
    > > highlights their 4 billion dollar per year capex... tops in the
    > > industry. So, in order for Nextel to surpass VZW's coverage, VZW would
    > > have to STOP spending the most in the industry on their network, and
    > > Nextel would have to START spending more than any other carrier... for a
    > > couple of years. Do you think this is likely? Keeping in mind that
    > > Nextel does not have a Baby Bell parent and has already gone public to
    > > raise capital, which neither Cingular or Verizon Wireless have done yet?
    > > That's a 10-20 billion dollar check that Cingular and Verizon haven't
    > > cashed yet, and Nextel already has...
    > >
    > > Just a thought.
    > >
    > > --
    > > Verizon customer/ formerly Cingular user/ formerly Sprint PCS user
    > >
    > >
    > > askme@askme.com (Mark F) wrote in article
    > > <vnihiqgbnda680@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > > Most if not all of the cellular companies got out of the tower ownership
    > > > business along time ago. ALL the cellular companies HAVE TO share tower
    > > > space because of the current permitting requirements that encourage
    > > > co-location rather than building new. This has no bearing on the
    > > > coverage differences between Verizon and NEXTEL.
    > > >
    > > > The footprint difference is driven by the allotment of frequencies and
    > > > how they are licensed. Verizon, AT&T, Cingular, etc. have geographic
    > > > licenses and are allowed to put their frequencies anywhere within their
    > > > market without requesting individual site licenses (except for sites
    > > > that are right on their coverage boarder) from the FCC. Nextel on the
    > > > other hand HAS TO individually license EACH frequency at EACH tower
    > > > site. This is because Nextel utilizes frequencies in the General
    > > > Category 800 MHz band. They have to share and protect others that
    > > > utilize the same frequencies, such as public safety and other individual
    > > > licensees, from co-channel interference. This limits them to site
    > > > deployment in areas across the US.
    > > >
    > > > For the better part of the last 2 years Nextel has been trying to do a
    > > > frequency swap with the Public Safety 821 MHz band that is reserved
    > > > Country Wide. If Nextel is successful in pulling this off they will
    > > > have frequencies that are non-competing nationwide (just like the
    > > > cellulars) and in a very short time will have coverage maps that will
    > > > equal or exceed Verizion with no roaming and even a larger PTT
    > > > footprint.
    > > > --
    > > > Mark
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > jbsquireii@hotmail.com (John Squire) wrote in article
    > > > <vni1sparuspd6c@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > > >
    > > > > As to your comment about the Nextel towers, get a clue. Nextel doesn't
    > > > > share towers like Verizon does, so they don't have the coverage area
    > > > > Verizon has YET! They'll get there. As for verizon's ptt, Nextel's
    > > > > digital format is better. Superior technology, from a company with
    > > > > greater vision. Also the only reason Verizon is as big as it is, is
    > > > > because it came from the merger of 6 companies!!
    > > > > "Jake" <Bgates@hotmail.com> wrote in article
    > > > > <nlWdb.21791$Wd7.3546@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>:
    > > > > > I think the $20 a month for the PTT is too much. Especially since it's so
    > > > > > new, there won't be anyone to talk to for a long time.
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > ",.·*`~ Adam ~`*·.," <i.hate@spammers.com> wrote in message
    > > > > > news:luodnvspq4dkek0pdan4dr2lnfvdumhl0k@4ax.com...
    > > > > > > I wonder if Verizon should just drop the PTT service all
    > > > > > > together. They have had previous success in the market without the
    > > > > > > service. Now it seems like the service is getting slammed by people
    > > > > > > for being too slow etc. If they want to do something like that, they
    > > > > > > should offer like unlimited m2m minutes or something when you are on a
    > > > > > > business plan or on certain plans in the consumer line of pricing
    > > > > > > plans. Nexel has the market on the PTT service. Their cellular
    > > > > > > service isn't worth the towers they use, but the PTT is superior to
    > > > > > > Verizon. Just let the contractors stay with Nextel if they want the
    > > > > > > walkie- talkie feature.
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > [posted via phonescoop.com]
    > > >
    > > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    > >
    > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  14. Nextel probably will have no desire to cover areas with no or little
    population.

    jrgregory@hotmail.com (Everything Nothing) wrote in article
    <vnjcs02eht4ce0@corp.supernews.com>:
    > Lets see...Verizon is in 49 of 50 top cities in the country and 194 of
    > the top 200. Doesnt sound like they have much acquiring to deal with. 6
    > markets out of 200...I'd be happy with that, but I'm sure Verizon is
    > not. They will get in those markets eventually. On the other hand,
    > Nextel will need to spend billions to get the same coverage in square
    > miles.
    >
    > lanninga@prodigy.net (Jared Robinson) wrote in article
    > <vnjaamdc4nmkaa@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > What you both are missing is the fact that currently Nextel covers more
    > > major cities than Verizon. Verizon will have to acquire licenses in
    > > those markets to equal Nextel. On the other hand Verizon covers more
    > > sq. miles.
    > >
    > > thrillme5@aol.com (P Howard) wrote in article
    > > <vnj1ms5269crf9@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > > Mark... just wanted to remind you that in order for this to happen,
    > > > Nextel would have to spend tens of billions of dollars in a short amount
    > > > of time. Every press release I seem to see come out of Verizon Wireless
    > > > highlights their 4 billion dollar per year capex... tops in the
    > > > industry. So, in order for Nextel to surpass VZW's coverage, VZW would
    > > > have to STOP spending the most in the industry on their network, and
    > > > Nextel would have to START spending more than any other carrier... for a
    > > > couple of years. Do you think this is likely? Keeping in mind that
    > > > Nextel does not have a Baby Bell parent and has already gone public to
    > > > raise capital, which neither Cingular or Verizon Wireless have done yet?
    > > > That's a 10-20 billion dollar check that Cingular and Verizon haven't
    > > > cashed yet, and Nextel already has...
    > > >
    > > > Just a thought.
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Verizon customer/ formerly Cingular user/ formerly Sprint PCS user
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > askme@askme.com (Mark F) wrote in article
    > > > <vnihiqgbnda680@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > > > Most if not all of the cellular companies got out of the tower ownership
    > > > > business along time ago. ALL the cellular companies HAVE TO share tower
    > > > > space because of the current permitting requirements that encourage
    > > > > co-location rather than building new. This has no bearing on the
    > > > > coverage differences between Verizon and NEXTEL.
    > > > >
    > > > > The footprint difference is driven by the allotment of frequencies and
    > > > > how they are licensed. Verizon, AT&T, Cingular, etc. have geographic
    > > > > licenses and are allowed to put their frequencies anywhere within their
    > > > > market without requesting individual site licenses (except for sites
    > > > > that are right on their coverage boarder) from the FCC. Nextel on the
    > > > > other hand HAS TO individually license EACH frequency at EACH tower
    > > > > site. This is because Nextel utilizes frequencies in the General
    > > > > Category 800 MHz band. They have to share and protect others that
    > > > > utilize the same frequencies, such as public safety and other individual
    > > > > licensees, from co-channel interference. This limits them to site
    > > > > deployment in areas across the US.
    > > > >
    > > > > For the better part of the last 2 years Nextel has been trying to do a
    > > > > frequency swap with the Public Safety 821 MHz band that is reserved
    > > > > Country Wide. If Nextel is successful in pulling this off they will
    > > > > have frequencies that are non-competing nationwide (just like the
    > > > > cellulars) and in a very short time will have coverage maps that will
    > > > > equal or exceed Verizion with no roaming and even a larger PTT
    > > > > footprint.
    > > > > --
    > > > > Mark
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > jbsquireii@hotmail.com (John Squire) wrote in article
    > > > > <vni1sparuspd6c@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > As to your comment about the Nextel towers, get a clue. Nextel doesn't
    > > > > > share towers like Verizon does, so they don't have the coverage area
    > > > > > Verizon has YET! They'll get there. As for verizon's ptt, Nextel's
    > > > > > digital format is better. Superior technology, from a company with
    > > > > > greater vision. Also the only reason Verizon is as big as it is, is
    > > > > > because it came from the merger of 6 companies!!
    > > > > > "Jake" <Bgates@hotmail.com> wrote in article
    > > > > > <nlWdb.21791$Wd7.3546@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>:
    > > > > > > I think the $20 a month for the PTT is too much. Especially since it's so
    > > > > > > new, there won't be anyone to talk to for a long time.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > ",.·*`~ Adam ~`*·.," <i.hate@spammers.com> wrote in message
    > > > > > > news:luodnvspq4dkek0pdan4dr2lnfvdumhl0k@4ax.com...
    > > > > > > > I wonder if Verizon should just drop the PTT service all
    > > > > > > > together. They have had previous success in the market without the
    > > > > > > > service. Now it seems like the service is getting slammed by people
    > > > > > > > for being too slow etc. If they want to do something like that, they
    > > > > > > > should offer like unlimited m2m minutes or something when you are on a
    > > > > > > > business plan or on certain plans in the consumer line of pricing
    > > > > > > > plans. Nexel has the market on the PTT service. Their cellular
    > > > > > > > service isn't worth the towers they use, but the PTT is superior to
    > > > > > > > Verizon. Just let the contractors stay with Nextel if they want the
    > > > > > > > walkie- talkie feature.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > [posted via phonescoop.com]
    > > > >
    > > > > [posted via phonescoop.com]
    > > >
    > > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    > >
    > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  15. I think you misunderstood my reply. What is Verizon's actual coverage
    then in the markets they don't have spectrum? None! I was only stating
    that Nextel covers more major cities and that Verizon would need to
    acquire licenses to equal Nextel (major cities).

    WhizKid@einstein.iq (Whiz Kid) wrote in article
    <vnjdgt1nopkh28@corp.supernews.com>:
    > Having spectrum licenses has got nothing to with actual coverage. Actual
    > coverage is determined by how much of spectrum is built out.
    >
    > Even in major citites, Nextel sucks. I work in Boston and live in a
    > Boston suburb. NExtel wouldnt work where I live and is just so so in
    > metro area.
    >
    > Verizon is the coverage king. It will take Nextel 5-10 yrs and billions
    > of dollars in capitol to equal Verizon in coverage area.
    >
    > If not for PTT, Nextel as a company might not even exist today. Their
    > wireless network is one of the crappiest ones in the country.
    >
    > -WK.
    >
    > lanninga@prodigy.net (Jared Robinson) wrote in article
    > <vnjaamdc4nmkaa@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > What you both are missing is the fact that currently Nextel covers more
    > > major cities than Verizon. Verizon will have to acquire licenses in
    > > those markets to equal Nextel. On the other hand Verizon covers more
    > > sq. miles.
    > >

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  16. Very true. It will be intersting to see if Alltel & Verizon continue
    the relationship.

    thrillme5@aol.com (P Howard) wrote in article
    <vnjfu1jtlhap7e@corp.supernews.com>:
    > Nextel owns spectrum in all of the top 100 markets, which VZW does not;
    > but if you include VZW's seamless interaction with Alltel, VZW covers
    > well more cities than Nextel, as well as square miles, too.
    >
    > --
    > Verizon customer/ formerly Cingular user/ formerly Sprint PCS user
    >
    >
    > lanninga@prodigy.net (Jared Robinson) wrote in article
    > <vnjaamdc4nmkaa@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > What you both are missing is the fact that currently Nextel covers more
    > > major cities than Verizon. Verizon will have to acquire licenses in
    > > those markets to equal Nextel. On the other hand Verizon covers more
    > > sq. miles.
    > >
    > > thrillme5@aol.com (P Howard) wrote in article
    > > <vnj1ms5269crf9@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > > Mark... just wanted to remind you that in order for this to happen,
    > > > Nextel would have to spend tens of billions of dollars in a short amount
    > > > of time. Every press release I seem to see come out of Verizon Wireless
    > > > highlights their 4 billion dollar per year capex... tops in the
    > > > industry. So, in order for Nextel to surpass VZW's coverage, VZW would
    > > > have to STOP spending the most in the industry on their network, and
    > > > Nextel would have to START spending more than any other carrier... for a
    > > > couple of years. Do you think this is likely? Keeping in mind that
    > > > Nextel does not have a Baby Bell parent and has already gone public to
    > > > raise capital, which neither Cingular or Verizon Wireless have done yet?
    > > > That's a 10-20 billion dollar check that Cingular and Verizon haven't
    > > > cashed yet, and Nextel already has...
    > > >
    > > > Just a thought.
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Verizon customer/ formerly Cingular user/ formerly Sprint PCS user
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > askme@askme.com (Mark F) wrote in article
    > > > <vnihiqgbnda680@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > > > Most if not all of the cellular companies got out of the tower ownership
    > > > > business along time ago. ALL the cellular companies HAVE TO share tower
    > > > > space because of the current permitting requirements that encourage
    > > > > co-location rather than building new. This has no bearing on the
    > > > > coverage differences between Verizon and NEXTEL.
    > > > >
    > > > > The footprint difference is driven by the allotment of frequencies and
    > > > > how they are licensed. Verizon, AT&T, Cingular, etc. have geographic
    > > > > licenses and are allowed to put their frequencies anywhere within their
    > > > > market without requesting individual site licenses (except for sites
    > > > > that are right on their coverage boarder) from the FCC. Nextel on the
    > > > > other hand HAS TO individually license EACH frequency at EACH tower
    > > > > site. This is because Nextel utilizes frequencies in the General
    > > > > Category 800 MHz band. They have to share and protect others that
    > > > > utilize the same frequencies, such as public safety and other individual
    > > > > licensees, from co-channel interference. This limits them to site
    > > > > deployment in areas across the US.
    > > > >
    > > > > For the better part of the last 2 years Nextel has been trying to do a
    > > > > frequency swap with the Public Safety 821 MHz band that is reserved
    > > > > Country Wide. If Nextel is successful in pulling this off they will
    > > > > have frequencies that are non-competing nationwide (just like the
    > > > > cellulars) and in a very short time will have coverage maps that will
    > > > > equal or exceed Verizion with no roaming and even a larger PTT
    > > > > footprint.
    > > > > --
    > > > > Mark
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > jbsquireii@hotmail.com (John Squire) wrote in article
    > > > > <vni1sparuspd6c@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > As to your comment about the Nextel towers, get a clue. Nextel doesn't
    > > > > > share towers like Verizon does, so they don't have the coverage area
    > > > > > Verizon has YET! They'll get there. As for verizon's ptt, Nextel's
    > > > > > digital format is better. Superior technology, from a company with
    > > > > > greater vision. Also the only reason Verizon is as big as it is, is
    > > > > > because it came from the merger of 6 companies!!
    > > > > > "Jake" <Bgates@hotmail.com> wrote in article
    > > > > > <nlWdb.21791$Wd7.3546@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>:
    > > > > > > I think the $20 a month for the PTT is too much. Especially since it's so
    > > > > > > new, there won't be anyone to talk to for a long time.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > ",.·*`~ Adam ~`*·.," <i.hate@spammers.com> wrote in message
    > > > > > > news:luodnvspq4dkek0pdan4dr2lnfvdumhl0k@4ax.com...
    > > > > > > > I wonder if Verizon should just drop the PTT service all
    > > > > > > > together. They have had previous success in the market without the
    > > > > > > > service. Now it seems like the service is getting slammed by people
    > > > > > > > for being too slow etc. If they want to do something like that, they
    > > > > > > > should offer like unlimited m2m minutes or something when you are on a
    > > > > > > > business plan or on certain plans in the consumer line of pricing
    > > > > > > > plans. Nexel has the market on the PTT service. Their cellular
    > > > > > > > service isn't worth the towers they use, but the PTT is superior to
    > > > > > > > Verizon. Just let the contractors stay with Nextel if they want the
    > > > > > > > walkie- talkie feature.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > [posted via phonescoop.com]
    > > > >
    > > > > [posted via phonescoop.com]
    > > >
    > > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    > >
    > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  17. Ok, name a top 100 city besides Ok city where vzw does not have full
    enhanced digital service.

    And having the licenses is equal to having service, coverage, etc...

    lanninga@prodigy.net (Jared Robinson) wrote in article
    <vnjgqccc6qm615@corp.supernews.com>:
    > I think you misunderstood my reply. What is Verizon's actual coverage
    > then in the markets they don't have spectrum? None! I was only stating
    > that Nextel covers more major cities and that Verizon would need to
    > acquire licenses to equal Nextel (major cities).
    >
    > WhizKid@einstein.iq (Whiz Kid) wrote in article
    > <vnjdgt1nopkh28@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > Having spectrum licenses has got nothing to with actual coverage. Actual
    > > coverage is determined by how much of spectrum is built out.
    > >
    > > Even in major citites, Nextel sucks. I work in Boston and live in a
    > > Boston suburb. NExtel wouldnt work where I live and is just so so in
    > > metro area.
    > >
    > > Verizon is the coverage king. It will take Nextel 5-10 yrs and billions
    > > of dollars in capitol to equal Verizon in coverage area.
    > >
    > > If not for PTT, Nextel as a company might not even exist today. Their
    > > wireless network is one of the crappiest ones in the country.
    > >
    > > -WK.
    > >
    > > lanninga@prodigy.net (Jared Robinson) wrote in article
    > > <vnjaamdc4nmkaa@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > > What you both are missing is the fact that currently Nextel covers more
    > > > major cities than Verizon. Verizon will have to acquire licenses in
    > > > those markets to equal Nextel. On the other hand Verizon covers more
    > > > sq. miles.
    > > >

    > >
    > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  18. On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:01:14 -0000, askme@askme.com (Mark F) wrote:

    >Country Wide. If Nextel is successful in pulling this off they will
    >have frequencies that are non-competing nationwide (just like the
    >cellulars) and in a very short time will have coverage maps that will
    >equal or exceed Verizion with no roaming and even a larger PTT
    >footprint.


    Even if the Consensus Plan does succeed (and that's an open question
    right now given all the opposition from public safety groups and
    others) it's hard to imagine Nextel *ever* having the geographic
    breadth of coverage that VZW does; Nextel targets areas where
    "business gets done" and highways between them, which leaves out many
    rural areas and even some smaller cities such as Asheville NC, and
    most of VZW's geographic coverage is the result of their network
    consisting mostly of 800 MHz cellular licenses that had geographic
    coverage requirements that have long been fulfilled, as opposed to
    licenses subject to population requirements (PCS) or no buildout
    requirements at all (ESMR, which of course is what Nextel is licensed
    as).

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  19. On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:54:20 -0000, lanninga@prodigy.net (Jared
    Robinson) wrote:

    >I think you misunderstood my reply. What is Verizon's actual coverage
    >then in the markets they don't have spectrum? None! I was only stating


    Yes, but VZW has roaming agreements with other carriers (ALLTEL, SPCS,
    USCC, etc.) to handle areas where they have no native coverage; Nextel
    does not, within the US anyway.

    (To pick nits: Nextel, aside from the Partners and Extend America
    "affiliate" arrangements, does have a roaming deal with Southern Linc,
    but that's a one-way deal that allows SoLinc customers to roam on
    Nextel Communications -- the deal doesn't include Partners and will
    not include Extend America -- outside SoLinc's regional footprint, but
    doesn't permit any roaming by Nextel customers on SoLinc.)

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  20. On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:46:56 -0000, jrgregory@hotmail.com (Everything
    Nothing) wrote:

    >Lets see...Verizon is in 49 of 50 top cities in the country and 194 of
    >the top 200. Doesnt sound like they have much acquiring to deal with. 6
    >markets out of 200...I'd be happy with that, but I'm sure Verizon is
    >not. They will get in those markets eventually. On the other hand,


    VZW already *is* in at least one of those six -- Asheville, NC. :)

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     

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