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VZW PTT

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by ,.·*`~ Adam ~`*·.,, Sep 28, 2003.

  1. On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:31:39 GMT, Stanley Cline <sc1-news@roamer1.org>
    wrote:

    >VZW already *is* in at least one of those six -- Asheville, NC. :)


    Never mind...thought you posted figured for Nextel and not VZW.

    That said, VZW does have PCS licenses not yet built out in some places
    where there is Nextel coverage, such as Myrtle Beach SC, large areas
    of Kentucky, etc. Ignoring Alaska, which is a very unique situation,
    Oklahoma seems to be the major place where there is no native VZW and
    probably will never be.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune



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  2. and all digital ta boot.
    > VZW already *is* in at least one of those six -- Asheville, NC. :)
    >
    > -SC
    > --
    > Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    > ....
    > "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    > be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  3. Whiz Kid

    Whiz Kid Guest

    I am afraid that you misunderstood the whole issue.

    Facts
    1. Verizon PTT coverage area (both population covered and geographical
    area covered) is MUCH MORE than that of Nextel.

    2. Verizon's voice coverage area is order of magnitudes more than that
    of Nextel.

    3. Verizon's digital 3G network is not only more advanced than Nextel's
    old iDEN network, but also has more coverage area than Nextel's iDEN
    network.

    You are confusing about having licenses for a spectrum and coverage. A
    company may not have an licenced spectrum in one area but can have a
    deal with another company and provide coverage. Example - T-Mobile which
    uses Cingular's Network in California to provide coverage although
    T-Mobile has no licenses in California.

    Quantity of licensed spectrum has no meaning to cionsumer. What is
    relevant is the SIEE of coverage and QUALITY / RELIABILITY of the
    network. Nextel lacks pathetically in both these segments.

    btw, Sprint is a company with the most spectrum, but that doesnt make
    Sprint's coverage good!

    -WK.

    lanninga@prodigy.net (Jared Robinson) wrote in article
    <vnjgqccc6qm615@corp.supernews.com>:
    > I think you misunderstood my reply. What is Verizon's actual coverage
    > then in the markets they don't have spectrum? None! I was only stating
    > that Nextel covers more major cities and that Verizon would need to
    > acquire licenses to equal Nextel (major cities).
    >
    > WhizKid@einstein.iq (Whiz Kid) wrote in article
    > <vnjdgt1nopkh28@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > Having spectrum licenses has got nothing to with actual coverage. Actual
    > > coverage is determined by how much of spectrum is built out.
    > >
    > > Even in major citites, Nextel sucks. I work in Boston and live in a
    > > Boston suburb. NExtel wouldnt work where I live and is just so so in
    > > metro area.
    > >
    > > Verizon is the coverage king. It will take Nextel 5-10 yrs and billions
    > > of dollars in capitol to equal Verizon in coverage area.
    > >
    > > If not for PTT, Nextel as a company might not even exist today. Their
    > > wireless network is one of the crappiest ones in the country.
    > >
    > > -WK.
    > >
    > > lanninga@prodigy.net (Jared Robinson) wrote in article
    > > <vnjaamdc4nmkaa@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > > What you both are missing is the fact that currently Nextel covers more
    > > > major cities than Verizon. Verizon will have to acquire licenses in
    > > > those markets to equal Nextel. On the other hand Verizon covers more
    > > > sq. miles.
    > > >

    > >
    > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  4. p lane

    p lane Guest

    I have looked at getting Nextel, the problem is; it's service area is
    very limited away from the "metro" area--, and while PTT was why I
    looked at it, but with it's limited service area, I would need a second
    provider to have cell coverage--If I were going to get a second
    carrier, why not get another that also had reasonable coverage, instead
    of Nextel which I know doesn't have coverage--the exception is the
    business/contractor/police- type who has the business need---which goes
    right back to M2M make the most sense for the most of us--I agree, --but
    with m2M we would be unable to annoy the hell out of everyone within 20
    ft with that damn beep. (In this era of flashing antennas, etc, maybe we
    could just get a button on the phone which do that beep thing, and talk
    really loud to annoy the folks around us and save the $20 month) And
    really, who enjoys the" one person talks at a time thing", reminds me of
    my old fm repeater system.

    As someone else posted, in time VZM will improve the PTT thing--for
    those who need (want it)--as for me, love the M2M, the improvement there
    would be to make it cheaper/unlimited etc.

    Also, for those who need PTT and have Nextel, wonder who their second
    carrier is--they have to have one you know, and will they get PTT there
    too--now they could have two beeps at the same time.



    ",.·*`~ Adam ~`*·.," <i.hate@spammers.com> wrote in article
    <luodnvspq4dkek0pdan4dr2lnfvdumhl0k@4ax.com>:
    > I wonder if Verizon should just drop the PTT service all
    > together. They have had previous success in the market without the
    > service. Now it seems like the service is getting slammed by people
    > for being too slow etc. If they want to do something like that, they
    > should offer like unlimited m2m minutes or something when you are on a
    > business plan or on certain plans in the consumer line of pricing
    > plans. Nexel has the market on the PTT service. Their cellular
    > service isn't worth the towers they use, but the PTT is superior to
    > Verizon. Just let the contractors stay with Nextel if they want the
    > walkie- talkie feature.


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  5. P Howard wrote:

    > Mark... just wanted to remind you that in order for this to happen,
    > Nextel would have to spend tens of billions of dollars in a short amount
    > of time. Every press release I seem to see come out of Verizon Wireless
    > highlights their 4 billion dollar per year capex... tops in the
    > industry. So, in order for Nextel to surpass VZW's coverage, VZW would
    > have to STOP spending the most in the industry on their network, and
    > Nextel would have to START spending more than any other carrier... for a
    > couple of years. Do you think this is likely? Keeping in mind that
    > Nextel does not have a Baby Bell parent and has already gone public to
    > raise capital, which neither Cingular or Verizon Wireless have done yet?
    > That's a 10-20 billion dollar check that Cingular and Verizon haven't
    > cashed yet, and Nextel already has...
    >
    > Just a thought.
    >

    Actually, Nextel doesn't have to spend anywhere near that much. Ever heard
    of Nextel Partners or Extend America? Both are building out their own
    networks that 'roam' with the Nextel network. Nextel doesn't spend a dime
    for these, and gets extended network in exchange for roaming capabilities
    on their network. As a result, their Capex can go towards beefing up the
    existing netwrok, not building out into rural america. And with the
    agressive timeline Extend America seems to be setting, a lot of the
    coverage that Verizon claims will soon have company.
  6. Everything Nothing wrote:

    > Lets see...Verizon is in 49 of 50 top cities in the country and 194 of
    > the top 200. Doesnt sound like they have much acquiring to deal with. 6
    > markets out of 200...I'd be happy with that, but I'm sure Verizon is
    > not. They will get in those markets eventually. On the other hand,
    > Nextel will need to spend billions to get the same coverage in square
    > miles.
    >



    Nextel is 193 out of the top 300 markets. 7 markets out of 300...I'd be
    happy with that.
  7. Jared Robinson wrote:

    > What you both are missing is the fact that currently Nextel covers more
    > major cities than Verizon. Verizon will have to acquire licenses in
    > those markets to equal Nextel. On the other hand Verizon covers more
    > sq. miles.
    >



    I'm with you on that, Jared- just trying to respond about the exopenditure
    needed to expand even further.
  8. Yuk Fu

    Yuk Fu Guest

    You better not tell all those Big Dig contractors how bad Nextel is in
    Boston. There are thousands of Nextel radios in use in and around Boston
    and they work just fine. Maybe you should do a little homework before
    you make such a foolish statement. And did you forget that the reason
    Nextel started was for PTT, not cell service? And the majority of their
    users are in it for the PTT? And I'm not a Nextel cheerleader, I have
    Verizon for a wireless provider. I believe in speaking the truth, and
    Nextel has the construction business lock, stock and barrelhead.


    WhizKid@einstein.iq (Whiz Kid) wrote in article
    <vnjdgt1nopkh28@corp.supernews.com>:
    > Having spectrum licenses has got nothing to with actual coverage. Actual
    > coverage is determined by how much of spectrum is built out.
    >
    > Even in major citites, Nextel sucks. I work in Boston and live in a
    > Boston suburb. NExtel wouldnt work where I live and is just so so in
    > metro area.
    >
    > Verizon is the coverage king. It will take Nextel 5-10 yrs and billions
    > of dollars in capitol to equal Verizon in coverage area.
    >
    > If not for PTT, Nextel as a company might not even exist today. Their
    > wireless network is one of the crappiest ones in the country.
    >
    > -WK.
    >
    > lanninga@prodigy.net (Jared Robinson) wrote in article
    > <vnjaamdc4nmkaa@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > What you both are missing is the fact that currently Nextel covers more
    > > major cities than Verizon. Verizon will have to acquire licenses in
    > > those markets to equal Nextel. On the other hand Verizon covers more
    > > sq. miles.
    > >

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  9. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    "Scott Stephenson" <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in message
    news:Fwoeb.3630$qK1.3724618@news2.news.adelphia.net...
    >
    > Nextel is 193 out of the top 300 markets. 7 markets out of 300...I'd be
    > happy with that.
    >


    Ummm... Remedial math 101. 193 plus 7 is 200, that's one hundred and seven
    markets out of 300.
  10. Mark F

    Mark F Guest

    Stanley Cline <sc1-news@roamer1.org> wrote in article
    <r9ijnv03n8kckv9e0pvk55k0urh6iqrklt@4ax.com>:
    > On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:01:14 -0000, askme@askme.com (Mark F) wrote:
    >
    > >Country Wide. If Nextel is successful in pulling this off they will
    > >have frequencies that are non-competing nationwide (just like the
    > >cellulars) and in a very short time will have coverage maps that will
    > >equal or exceed Verizion with no roaming and even a larger PTT
    > >footprint.

    >
    > Even if the Consensus Plan does succeed (and that's an open question
    > right now given all the opposition from public safety groups and
    > others) it's hard to imagine Nextel *ever* having the geographic
    > breadth of coverage that VZW does; Nextel targets areas where
    > "business gets done" and highways between them, which leaves out many
    > rural areas and even some smaller cities such as Asheville NC, and
    > most of VZW's geographic coverage is the result of their network
    > consisting mostly of 800 MHz cellular licenses that had geographic
    > coverage requirements that have long been fulfilled, as opposed to
    > licenses subject to population requirements (PCS) or no buildout
    > requirements at all (ESMR, which of course is what Nextel is licensed
    > as).
    >
    > -SC
    > --
    > Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    > ....
    > "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    > be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune


    Don't cut them short, with the money and time that they will save by
    having a nationwide licensing footprint and not restrained by site only
    licensing will cause then to totally re-think their frequency deployment
    for the better.

    As far as covering a rural area, that is a question that only they can
    answer. We can assume and think that they won't, or might, or
    definitely will, but until it happens, if it happens it may or may not
    get better for those of us who use their service.

    Mark

    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  11. Mark F

    Mark F Guest

    And just the opposite in the Florida. Verizon sucks and NEXTEL has a
    much better footprint in the state.

    --
    Mark


    WhizKid@einstein.iq (Whiz Kid) wrote in article
    <vnjdgt1nopkh28@corp.supernews.com>:
    > Having spectrum licenses has got nothing to with actual coverage. Actual
    > coverage is determined by how much of spectrum is built out.
    >
    > Even in major citites, Nextel sucks. I work in Boston and live in a
    > Boston suburb. NExtel wouldnt work where I live and is just so so in
    > metro area.
    >
    > Verizon is the coverage king. It will take Nextel 5-10 yrs and billions
    > of dollars in capitol to equal Verizon in coverage area.
    >
    > If not for PTT, Nextel as a company might not even exist today. Their
    > wireless network is one of the crappiest ones in the country.
    >
    > -WK.
    >
    > lanninga@prodigy.net (Jared Robinson) wrote in article
    > <vnjaamdc4nmkaa@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > What you both are missing is the fact that currently Nextel covers more
    > > major cities than Verizon. Verizon will have to acquire licenses in
    > > those markets to equal Nextel. On the other hand Verizon covers more
    > > sq. miles.
    > >

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  12. P Howard

    P Howard Guest

    The exact same applies for all of Verizon Wireless's roaming partners as
    well... so... still not coming close to the combined capital VZW and its
    partners spend on networks...

    --
    Verizon customer/ formerly Cingular user/ formerly Sprint PCS user


    Scott Stephenson <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in article
    <%soeb.3629$qK1.3724010@news2.news.adelphia.net>:
    > P Howard wrote:
    >
    > > Mark... just wanted to remind you that in order for this to happen,
    > > Nextel would have to spend tens of billions of dollars in a short amount
    > > of time. Every press release I seem to see come out of Verizon Wireless
    > > highlights their 4 billion dollar per year capex... tops in the
    > > industry. So, in order for Nextel to surpass VZW's coverage, VZW would
    > > have to STOP spending the most in the industry on their network, and
    > > Nextel would have to START spending more than any other carrier... for a
    > > couple of years. Do you think this is likely? Keeping in mind that
    > > Nextel does not have a Baby Bell parent and has already gone public to
    > > raise capital, which neither Cingular or Verizon Wireless have done yet?
    > > That's a 10-20 billion dollar check that Cingular and Verizon haven't
    > > cashed yet, and Nextel already has...
    > >
    > > Just a thought.
    > >

    > Actually, Nextel doesn't have to spend anywhere near that much. Ever heard
    > of Nextel Partners or Extend America? Both are building out their own
    > networks that 'roam' with the Nextel network. Nextel doesn't spend a dime
    > for these, and gets extended network in exchange for roaming capabilities
    > on their network. As a result, their Capex can go towards beefing up the
    > existing netwrok, not building out into rural america. And with the
    > agressive timeline Extend America seems to be setting, a lot of the
    > coverage that Verizon claims will soon have company.


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  13. I realize that you like Verizon and will defend them no matter the facts
    but here is my last post on the issue/response.

    Nextel: 243m coverage pops
    Verizon: 237m coverage pops

    That is native Verizon 1X. PTT doesn't work on Sprint's or Alltel's
    network.

    I already stated earlier that Verizon covers more area or more of the
    less populated areas. Also Cingular & T-Mobile have a shared network
    where services are seamless. Verizon doesn't have this with Alltel
    (PTT). I agree size of the coverage does matter and that's why you
    won't see Nextel customers leaving in hoards to use Verizon's PTT.

    WhizKid@einstein.iq (Whiz Kid) wrote in article
    <vnjrj7dkgvihad@corp.supernews.com>:
    > I am afraid that you misunderstood the whole issue.
    >
    > Facts
    > 1. Verizon PTT coverage area (both population covered and geographical
    > area covered) is MUCH MORE than that of Nextel.
    >
    > 2. Verizon's voice coverage area is order of magnitudes more than that
    > of Nextel.
    >
    > 3. Verizon's digital 3G network is not only more advanced than Nextel's
    > old iDEN network, but also has more coverage area than Nextel's iDEN
    > network.
    >
    > You are confusing about having licenses for a spectrum and coverage. A
    > company may not have an licenced spectrum in one area but can have a
    > deal with another company and provide coverage. Example - T-Mobile which
    > uses Cingular's Network in California to provide coverage although
    > T-Mobile has no licenses in California.
    >
    > Quantity of licensed spectrum has no meaning to cionsumer. What is
    > relevant is the SIEE of coverage and QUALITY / RELIABILITY of the
    > network. Nextel lacks pathetically in both these segments.
    >
    > btw, Sprint is a company with the most spectrum, but that doesnt make
    > Sprint's coverage good!
    >
    > -WK.
    >
    > lanninga@prodigy.net (Jared Robinson) wrote in article
    > <vnjgqccc6qm615@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > I think you misunderstood my reply. What is Verizon's actual coverage
    > > then in the markets they don't have spectrum? None! I was only stating
    > > that Nextel covers more major cities and that Verizon would need to
    > > acquire licenses to equal Nextel (major cities).
    > >
    > > WhizKid@einstein.iq (Whiz Kid) wrote in article
    > > <vnjdgt1nopkh28@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > > Having spectrum licenses has got nothing to with actual coverage. Actual
    > > > coverage is determined by how much of spectrum is built out.
    > > >
    > > > Even in major citites, Nextel sucks. I work in Boston and live in a
    > > > Boston suburb. NExtel wouldnt work where I live and is just so so in
    > > > metro area.
    > > >
    > > > Verizon is the coverage king. It will take Nextel 5-10 yrs and billions
    > > > of dollars in capitol to equal Verizon in coverage area.
    > > >
    > > > If not for PTT, Nextel as a company might not even exist today. Their
    > > > wireless network is one of the crappiest ones in the country.
    > > >
    > > > -WK.
    > > >
    > > > lanninga@prodigy.net (Jared Robinson) wrote in article
    > > > <vnjaamdc4nmkaa@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > > > What you both are missing is the fact that currently Nextel covers more
    > > > > major cities than Verizon. Verizon will have to acquire licenses in
    > > > > those markets to equal Nextel. On the other hand Verizon covers more
    > > > > sq. miles.
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    > >
    > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  14. Ok. Top 100 by population Census 2000. Lubbock, Tulsa, Lincoln to name
    a few no native 1X and no PTT. Nextel covers these areas and the highway
    in between.

    jrgregory@hotmail.com (Everything Nothing) wrote in article
    <vnji3e94p4e406@corp.supernews.com>:
    > Ok, name a top 100 city besides Ok city where vzw does not have full
    > enhanced digital service.
    >
    > And having the licenses is equal to having service, coverage, etc...
    >
    > lanninga@prodigy.net (Jared Robinson) wrote in article
    > <vnjgqccc6qm615@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > I think you misunderstood my reply. What is Verizon's actual coverage
    > > then in the markets they don't have spectrum? None! I was only stating
    > > that Nextel covers more major cities and that Verizon would need to
    > > acquire licenses to equal Nextel (major cities).
    > >
    > > WhizKid@einstein.iq (Whiz Kid) wrote in article
    > > <vnjdgt1nopkh28@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > > Having spectrum licenses has got nothing to with actual coverage. Actual
    > > > coverage is determined by how much of spectrum is built out.
    > > >
    > > > Even in major citites, Nextel sucks. I work in Boston and live in a
    > > > Boston suburb. NExtel wouldnt work where I live and is just so so in
    > > > metro area.
    > > >
    > > > Verizon is the coverage king. It will take Nextel 5-10 yrs and billions
    > > > of dollars in capitol to equal Verizon in coverage area.
    > > >
    > > > If not for PTT, Nextel as a company might not even exist today. Their
    > > > wireless network is one of the crappiest ones in the country.
    > > >
    > > > -WK.
    > > >
    > > > lanninga@prodigy.net (Jared Robinson) wrote in article
    > > > <vnjaamdc4nmkaa@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > > > What you both are missing is the fact that currently Nextel covers more
    > > > > major cities than Verizon. Verizon will have to acquire licenses in
    > > > > those markets to equal Nextel. On the other hand Verizon covers more
    > > > > sq. miles.
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    > >
    > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  15. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    "Jared Robinson" <lanninga@prodigy.net> wrote in message
    news:vnm1dp7e2her55@corp.supernews.com...
    > I realize that you like Verizon and will defend them no matter the facts
    > but here is my last post on the issue/response.
    >
    > Nextel: 243m coverage pops
    > Verizon: 237m coverage pops
    >



    Wow... assuming m means million, that means there are more people in the US
    using nextel and verizon than the entire population of the US!
  16. Whiz Kid

    Whiz Kid Guest

    You are bringing up irrelevant issues. Sprint has covers of 275 Million
    POPS but that means NOTHING.

    Verizon PTT coverage is much more than Nextel. PERIOD. EOS.

    I live in Boston area and Nextel coverage SUCKS. Boston is one of top
    100 markets.

    -WK.

    lanninga@prodigy.net (Jared Robinson) wrote in article
    <vnm1dp7e2her55@corp.supernews.com>:
    > I realize that you like Verizon and will defend them no matter the facts
    > but here is my last post on the issue/response.
    >
    > Nextel: 243m coverage pops
    > Verizon: 237m coverage pops
    >
    > That is native Verizon 1X. PTT doesn't work on Sprint's or Alltel's
    > network.
    >
    > I already stated earlier that Verizon covers more area or more of the
    > less populated areas. Also Cingular & T-Mobile have a shared network
    > where services are seamless. Verizon doesn't have this with Alltel
    > (PTT). I agree size of the coverage does matter and that's why you
    > won't see Nextel customers leaving in hoards to use Verizon's PTT.
    >
    > WhizKid@einstein.iq (Whiz Kid) wrote in article
    > <vnjrj7dkgvihad@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > I am afraid that you misunderstood the whole issue.
    > >
    > > Facts
    > > 1. Verizon PTT coverage area (both population covered and geographical
    > > area covered) is MUCH MORE than that of Nextel.
    > >
    > > 2. Verizon's voice coverage area is order of magnitudes more than that
    > > of Nextel.
    > >
    > > 3. Verizon's digital 3G network is not only more advanced than Nextel's
    > > old iDEN network, but also has more coverage area than Nextel's iDEN
    > > network.
    > >
    > > You are confusing about having licenses for a spectrum and coverage. A
    > > company may not have an licenced spectrum in one area but can have a
    > > deal with another company and provide coverage. Example - T-Mobile which
    > > uses Cingular's Network in California to provide coverage although
    > > T-Mobile has no licenses in California.
    > >
    > > Quantity of licensed spectrum has no meaning to cionsumer. What is
    > > relevant is the SIEE of coverage and QUALITY / RELIABILITY of the
    > > network. Nextel lacks pathetically in both these segments.
    > >
    > > btw, Sprint is a company with the most spectrum, but that doesnt make
    > > Sprint's coverage good!
    > >
    > > -WK.
    > >
    > > lanninga@prodigy.net (Jared Robinson) wrote in article
    > > <vnjgqccc6qm615@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > > I think you misunderstood my reply. What is Verizon's actual coverage
    > > > then in the markets they don't have spectrum? None! I was only stating
    > > > that Nextel covers more major cities and that Verizon would need to
    > > > acquire licenses to equal Nextel (major cities).
    > > >
    > > > WhizKid@einstein.iq (Whiz Kid) wrote in article
    > > > <vnjdgt1nopkh28@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > > > Having spectrum licenses has got nothing to with actual coverage. Actual
    > > > > coverage is determined by how much of spectrum is built out.
    > > > >
    > > > > Even in major citites, Nextel sucks. I work in Boston and live in a
    > > > > Boston suburb. NExtel wouldnt work where I live and is just so so in
    > > > > metro area.
    > > > >
    > > > > Verizon is the coverage king. It will take Nextel 5-10 yrs and billions
    > > > > of dollars in capitol to equal Verizon in coverage area.
    > > > >
    > > > > If not for PTT, Nextel as a company might not even exist today. Their
    > > > > wireless network is one of the crappiest ones in the country.
    > > > >
    > > > > -WK.
    > > > >
    > > > > lanninga@prodigy.net (Jared Robinson) wrote in article
    > > > > <vnjaamdc4nmkaa@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > > > > What you both are missing is the fact that currently Nextel covers more
    > > > > > major cities than Verizon. Verizon will have to acquire licenses in
    > > > > > those markets to equal Nextel. On the other hand Verizon covers more
    > > > > > sq. miles.
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > [posted via phonescoop.com]
    > > >
    > > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    > >
    > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  17. You need a brain Peter. The numbers are the totals for each carrier.
    Total U.S. pop of 290m +.

    "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102nospam@Hotmail.com> wrote in article
    <blf3mv$bt4de$1@ID-190045.news.uni-berlin.de>:
    >
    > "Jared Robinson" <lanninga@prodigy.net> wrote in message
    > news:vnm1dp7e2her55@corp.supernews.com...
    > > I realize that you like Verizon and will defend them no matter the facts
    > > but here is my last post on the issue/response.
    > >
    > > Nextel: 243m coverage pops
    > > Verizon: 237m coverage pops
    > >

    >
    >
    > Wow... assuming m means million, that means there are more people in the US
    > using nextel and verizon than the entire population of the US!
    >
    >
    >


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  18. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest


    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102nospam@Hotmail.com> wrote in article
    > <blf3mv$bt4de$1@ID-190045.news.uni-berlin.de>:
    > >
    > > "Jared Robinson" <lanninga@prodigy.net> wrote in message
    > > news:vnm1dp7e2her55@corp.supernews.com...
    > > > I realize that you like Verizon and will defend them no matter the

    facts
    > > > but here is my last post on the issue/response.
    > > >
    > > > Nextel: 243m coverage pops
    > > > Verizon: 237m coverage pops
    > > >

    > >
    > >
    > > Wow... assuming m means million, that means there are more people in the

    US
    > > using nextel and verizon than the entire population of the US!
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    "Jared Robinson" <lanninga@prodigy.net> wrote in message
    news:vnm9gc9mf23oa8@corp.supernews.com...
    > You need a brain Peter. The numbers are the totals for each carrier.
    > Total U.S. pop of 290m +.
    >



    Looks like the original poster needs a brain and a class in remedial math..
    oh wait! It's YOU!

    Lets see you say Nextel 243 million + Verizon 237million = 480 million, yet
    you ALSO claim the total population is only 290+ million...Lets see, 290
    milion people with 480 million cellphones = 1.655, that must mean people
    have more than one cellphone. I knew it, you have just mathematically PROVED
    that people dislike the nextel coverage and have to have a Verizon cellphone
    in addition to make calls!
  19. Sorry, it's up to 292m people, check the U.S. Census Bureau's web site
    moron. And again you need a brain, please read and think about my post
    "for each carrier". I know it's a deep thought for you but you can do
    it.

    "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102nospam@Hotmail.com> wrote in article
    <blf9ft$bq08q$1@ID-190045.news.uni-berlin.de>:
    >
    > > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102nospam@Hotmail.com> wrote in article
    > > <blf3mv$bt4de$1@ID-190045.news.uni-berlin.de>:
    > > >
    > > > "Jared Robinson" <lanninga@prodigy.net> wrote in message
    > > > news:vnm1dp7e2her55@corp.supernews.com...
    > > > > I realize that you like Verizon and will defend them no matter the

    > facts
    > > > > but here is my last post on the issue/response.
    > > > >
    > > > > Nextel: 243m coverage pops
    > > > > Verizon: 237m coverage pops
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Wow... assuming m means million, that means there are more people in the

    > US
    > > > using nextel and verizon than the entire population of the US!
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    > "Jared Robinson" <lanninga@prodigy.net> wrote in message
    > news:vnm9gc9mf23oa8@corp.supernews.com...
    > > You need a brain Peter. The numbers are the totals for each carrier.
    > > Total U.S. pop of 290m +.
    > >

    >
    >
    > Looks like the original poster needs a brain and a class in remedial math..
    > oh wait! It's YOU!
    >
    > Lets see you say Nextel 243 million + Verizon 237million = 480 million, yet
    > you ALSO claim the total population is only 290+ million...Lets see, 290
    > milion people with 480 million cellphones = 1.655, that must mean people
    > have more than one cellphone. I knew it, you have just mathematically PROVED
    > that people dislike the nextel coverage and have to have a Verizon cellphone
    > in addition to make calls!
    >
    >


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  20. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    Is it or is it NOT what you wrote? you say for EACH carrier, and then state
    it again in quotes "for each carrier", that and the numbers you posted are:
    nextel 243 million AND Verizon 237 Million, add them together and you get
    480 million, and THAT is more than the population of the US.

    Gee, basic addition, 243 + 237 = 480, didn't you learn to add in elementary
    school?


    "Jared Robinson" <lanninga@prodigy.net> wrote in message
    news:vnmaokstsn0940@corp.supernews.com...
    > Sorry, it's up to 292m people, check the U.S. Census Bureau's web site
    > moron. And again you need a brain, please read and think about my post
    > "for each carrier". I know it's a deep thought for you but you can do
    > it.
    >
    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102nospam@Hotmail.com> wrote in article
    > <blf9ft$bq08q$1@ID-190045.news.uni-berlin.de>:
    > >
    > > > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102nospam@Hotmail.com> wrote in article
    > > > <blf3mv$bt4de$1@ID-190045.news.uni-berlin.de>:
    > > > >
    > > > > "Jared Robinson" <lanninga@prodigy.net> wrote in message
    > > > > news:vnm1dp7e2her55@corp.supernews.com...
    > > > > > I realize that you like Verizon and will defend them no matter the

    > > facts
    > > > > > but here is my last post on the issue/response.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Nextel: 243m coverage pops
    > > > > > Verizon: 237m coverage pops
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Wow... assuming m means million, that means there are more people in

    the
    > > US
    > > > > using nextel and verizon than the entire population of the US!
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    > > "Jared Robinson" <lanninga@prodigy.net> wrote in message
    > > news:vnm9gc9mf23oa8@corp.supernews.com...
    > > > You need a brain Peter. The numbers are the totals for each carrier.
    > > > Total U.S. pop of 290m +.
    > > >

    > >
    > >
    > > Looks like the original poster needs a brain and a class in remedial

    math..
    > > oh wait! It's YOU!
    > >
    > > Lets see you say Nextel 243 million + Verizon 237million = 480 million,

    yet
    > > you ALSO claim the total population is only 290+ million...Lets see, 290
    > > milion people with 480 million cellphones = 1.655, that must mean people
    > > have more than one cellphone. I knew it, you have just mathematically

    PROVED
    > > that people dislike the nextel coverage and have to have a Verizon

    cellphone
    > > in addition to make calls!
    > >
    > >

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]

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