VZW SNR now has unlimited nights/weekend as a mandatory bonus FREE (it may be an ooops)

"Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
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> Tom J <tomj_ga@despammed.com> wrote:
>
> > Those single rate agreements do cover most areas that have towers, but in
the
> > few with no roaming agreement, all it took was a call to my area tech
people
> > to get my phone turned on in those areas. As an example, last summer
Verizon
> > had no agreement with anyone in Roswell, NM, but one 800# call from a pay
> > phone had my phone working in less than 5 minutes. That was on The
American
> > Roaming Network that wanted me to give them a credit card so they could
bill
> > me $2.25 per minute.
>
> Ah - ok. So you're speaking as a customer, not an employee of VZW - right?
> Your wording made it sound like you worked for them.
>
> So how did this work - you paid the ARN charges and they credited you ?

No! Go back and read what I did. I got on a pay phone and called Verizon and
THEY turned my phone on for the area. If I had made the call after I got the
ARN announcement, I would have expected to pay the charges.

Tom J
just a traveling customer of Verizon

 

In article <hLCdnVL5UeUEYDaiRVn-tA@lmi.net>, Steven J Sobol wrote:

> I mean, that's the right thing to do, since they guarantee that you won't
> have to pay extra for calls anywhere in the US on NSR, and I'm glad to see
> them standing by their promise, but I'm still a little surprised.

Most issues with a carrier not having roaming coverage in a given area
aren't issues with lack of roaming agreements (which take time and lots of
negotiation to establish), but relatively simple technical issues such as
new prefixes not being loaded on roaming partners' switches and so on.

I've found that VZW, SPCS, and AT&T have almost no places outside rural
Alaska where they truly have no roaming agreements (AT&T has of late
started blocking roaming on some VZW systems in their IRDBs but hasn't
actually pulled roaming with them), while Cingular does have quite a few
such places (namely the Copper Basin of TN and other places where the ONLY
coverage available is provided by VZW), and even more areas (Washington
GA, Mattoon IL, most places served by Commnet Wireless, etc.) where the
availability of roaming seems to come and go based on how Cingular feels
about the local carriers that day.

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In article <bogqti$1curfr$1@ID-76114.news.uni-berlin.de>,
Tom J <tomj_ga@despammed.com> wrote:
>
>"Jeff Phillips" <jeff_phil-NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:vqndl5ps2dpl36@corp.supernews.com...
>> Notice that if you click on the link under "Select your 1 bonus calling
>> feature(s), it says that the unlimited nights & weekends are "home" minutes.
>> You can use your peak minutes nationwide, but your unlimited night & weekend
>> minutes only in your home area.
>
>If you are on the National Single Rate Plan, the entire nation IS your home
>area - always has been - and it's always been stated the same as now.

So is the quote an example of cut-n-paste into a context where it does
it is nonsense? Is it saying, effectively,

"You can use your peak minutes nationwide, but your unlimited night & weekend
minutes only nationwide."

Also, I don't know if the exact wording has changed, but SRN used to
specifically exclude calls which got bounced to a credit card (i.e., ARN).
Didn't know about their ability to add coverage on request in some cases.
But if VZW doesn't have a roaming agreement with a provider, there is no way
the roaming provider is going to put through a call which they won't
be able to collect on.

 

"CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
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> Also, I don't know if the exact wording has changed, but SRN used to
> specifically exclude calls which got bounced to a credit card (i.e., ARN).
> Didn't know about their ability to add coverage on request in some cases.
> But if VZW doesn't have a roaming agreement with a provider, there is no way
> the roaming provider is going to put through a call which they won't
> be able to collect on.
>

I never expected Verizon to pay a credit card call. I never expected any
company to put through such a call for me anyway. I have, on the other hand,
called my local tech support many times in the past, when I got a request for
a credit card, and within minutes my phone was on w/o the credit card request.
All I am saying is, if I've had a signal, I've been able to make a single rate
call, even though sometimes I had to call tech support 1st, and only tech
support for my area. I found that out the 1st time I ran into the credit card
deal.

Tom J
who believes Verizon when they say SingleRate

 

On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:18:12 GMT, "Dr. WireMORE" <News-nospam-@vzwus.org>
chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
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>I discovered this when doing some agent training. Zip Code 61615 (Midwest),
>Plans, National, Single National Rate, select any minute plan, and when you
>get to options, it comes up unlimited nights/weekends for FREE and for life?
>If you elect to NOT take the free promotion, it tells you that you MUST
>select one bonus feature, and since there is only one bonus feature, you've
>got to select free n/we for life. Go figure.
>
>Plans-National Plans
> National Single Rate
> Quantity of 1, any plan
> Select Phone
> Skip the accessories
> And then....
>Select Your 1 Bonus Calling Feature(s) Monthly Fee Order
>UNLIMITED Nights and Weekends Free for as long as you remain on the plan
>selected at activation

Lotsa questions, mainly for the guys who are agents (i.e., the sarcastic
bastards need not reply (Larry)):

1. I went through the site (taking the minimum 150 min. for $35 plan) to
the point where it totals up your monthly charges. It says "Unlimited
nights & weekends, $15.00, free for as long as you remain on the plan
selected at activation." Then it says your total monthly charge will be
$50.00! What gives? Is it $35 or is it $50??? (I don't know what else the
site might say; the next page is the one where you have to agree to their
terms and I wasn't ready to do that yet, especially with this question
unanswered.)

2. How strict will they be on that "plan selected at activation"? If I
decide next June that I want to upgrade to 400 minutes for $55, will that
change lose me my free n/w? How about if I decide to add 100 text messages?
Or Mobile Web? What if I later cut back to 150 minutes again or drop the
text?

3. Speaking of the 400 minutes, am I crazy or did there used to be another
plan in between 150/$35 and 400/$55?

4. Can I get National Access MOU on this plan? If they don't give it to me
initially and I call to have it added, will I lose the n/w?

Aside: I noticed they've updated the unlimited text promo; it now goes
through next March 31.

I probably had another question or 2, but now I can't think of anything
else.

Oh, I know: if I go for this, I will get the VX4400, so I wanted to ask
those of you who've had it for a while now: is it reliable enough, sturdy
enough, durable enough that I won't need insurance or the extended
warranty? My current QCP-2035a has held up very well to
less-than-meticulous care. I don't pound nails with it, but it has hit the
floor more times than I care to think about (and I'm sure it owes its
survival to the leather case I bought it early on). How does the 4400
compare?

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David S <dwstreeter@att.nut> wrote:

> 1. I went through the site (taking the minimum 150 min. for $35 plan) to
> the point where it totals up your monthly charges. It says "Unlimited
> nights & weekends, $15.00, free for as long as you remain on the plan
> selected at activation." Then it says your total monthly charge will be
> $50.00! What gives? Is it $35 or is it $50??? (I don't know what else the
> site might say; the next page is the one where you have to agree to their
> terms and I wasn't ready to do that yet, especially with this question
> unanswered.)

David... seems to me that if you add the $15 to the $35 plan it comes out
to $50...


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Yeah it's charging $15.00 for the "free" bonus. The site is obviously
self-contradictory. It does not make it obvious to the consumer what a
"home" area is that the night & weekend minutes apply to (although it is
obvious to long-term VZW geeks). But even aside from that, it should not be
saying that it's free on one page and $15.00 on the next.

-Jeff


"Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
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> David S <dwstreeter@att.nut> wrote:
>
> > 1. I went through the site (taking the minimum 150 min. for $35 plan) to
> > the point where it totals up your monthly charges. It says "Unlimited
> > nights & weekends, $15.00, free for as long as you remain on the plan
> > selected at activation." Then it says your total monthly charge will be
> > $50.00! What gives? Is it $35 or is it $50??? (I don't know what else
the
> > site might say; the next page is the one where you have to agree to
their
> > terms and I wasn't ready to do that yet, especially with this question
> > unanswered.)
>
> David... seems to me that if you add the $15 to the $35 plan it comes out
> to $50...
>
>
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On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:00:49 GMT, "N9WOS" <n9wos@nobug.worldnet.att.net>
chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
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>And I would of needed to make a deposit,
>
>Cingular didn't require me to sign a contract but they
>would of required me to also make a deposit.
>And I would of had to use a new dual band digital
>phone for a post paid plan, so that mean I would
>of had to buy a $600(at the time) amplifier to go inline with
>the phone for use in the car to boost it's output to 3W.
>That would of allowed the phone to be useable where I live.
>
>To brake even with a post paid plan and added expenses,
>I would have had two use

AAAAARRRGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

I know, no one likes grammar flames, but five (5!) "would of"s just drove
me over the top. I could have ignored 2, maybe 3, but 5 was too much. And
then you finished with a correct "would have" but followed it immediately
with "two" instead of "to"...

<pant pant pant>

<deep breath>

Okay, I'm calm now. Rant over. (And I didn't even mention your "it's"
error.)

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On 8 Nov 2003 00:59:38 GMT, hoch@exemplary.invalid (CharlesH) chose to add
this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

>In article <bogqti$1curfr$1@ID-76114.news.uni-berlin.de>,
>Tom J <tomj_ga@despammed.com> wrote:
>>
>>"Jeff Phillips" <jeff_phil-NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:vqndl5ps2dpl36@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Notice that if you click on the link under "Select your 1 bonus calling
>>> feature(s), it says that the unlimited nights & weekends are "home" minutes.
>>> You can use your peak minutes nationwide, but your unlimited night & weekend
>>> minutes only in your home area.
>>
>>If you are on the National Single Rate Plan, the entire nation IS your home
>>area - always has been - and it's always been stated the same as now.
>
>So is the quote an example of cut-n-paste into a context where it does
>it is nonsense? Is it saying, effectively,
>
>"You can use your peak minutes nationwide, but your unlimited night & weekend
>minutes only nationwide."

It looks like it is. If you go through the ordering process under a
different plan until you get to that same link, it IS the exact same link.
If you clicked on it under SRN, it will appear as already-clicked under AC
or LDC, and the exact same, generic, description of unlimited nights &
weekends pops up.

>Also, I don't know if the exact wording has changed, but SRN used to
>specifically exclude calls which got bounced to a credit card (i.e., ARN).
>Didn't know about their ability to add coverage on request in some cases.
>But if VZW doesn't have a roaming agreement with a provider, there is no way
>the roaming provider is going to put through a call which they won't
>be able to collect on.

Yeah, I just saw that a minute ago. It says "does not apply to credit card
or operator-assisted calls."

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On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 22:38:13 -0600, Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
everything:

>David S <dwstreeter@att.nut> wrote:
>
>> 1. I went through the site (taking the minimum 150 min. for $35 plan) to
>> the point where it totals up your monthly charges. It says "Unlimited
>> nights & weekends, $15.00, free for as long as you remain on the plan
>> selected at activation." Then it says your total monthly charge will be
>> $50.00! What gives? Is it $35 or is it $50??? (I don't know what else the
>> site might say; the next page is the one where you have to agree to their
>> terms and I wasn't ready to do that yet, especially with this question
>> unanswered.)
>
>David... seems to me that if you add the $15 to the $35 plan it comes out
>to $50...

Ha ha.

The point is, IS THE UNLIMITED N/W FREE OR ISN'T IT?

Another question I thought of: it says that if I cancel within 15 days,
they'll put me back on my previous plan. Will they *really* put me back on
my current SR-GL/50, even though they don't offer regional SRs any more?

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> AAAAARRRGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
>
> I know, no one likes grammar flames, but five (5!) "would of"s just drove
> me over the top. I could have ignored 2, maybe 3, but 5 was too much. And
> then you finished with a correct "would have" but followed it immediately
> with "two" instead of "to"...
>
> <pant pant pant>
>
> <deep breath>
>
> Okay, I'm calm now. Rant over. (And I didn't even mention your "it's"
> error.)

Everyone has flaws man.....
You think that's bad, you should of read the junk
I typed out five years ago.
Now that's bad!

 

David,
I am considering a switch to AC from SRW. Every time I call about something
else, I also ask, "if I switch to AC and I don't like it, can I switch back
to SRW within 30 days, even if it is no longer offered?" The answer has
always been "yes". I will travel east next month, and I just may try it:
switch then switch back. I keep forgetting to ask if it involves a contract
renewal.

-Bill Radio


"David S" <dwstreeter@att.nut> wrote in message
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> >
> Another question I thought of: it says that if I cancel within 15 days,
> they'll put me back on my previous plan. Will they *really* put me back on
> my current SR-GL/50, even though they don't offer regional SRs any more?
>

 

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 23:32:05 -0500, Steve Crow <scrow@stevecrow.net>
wrote:

>I know in my area's activations system there are various roaming-related
>options for National SingleRate, including some which apparently add the
>ability to roam on certain systems, including the ARN. These are not
<snip>

The only way anything on VZW's end would "allow" customers to bypass
the ARN is if VZW itself refuses to validate ESNs roaming on certain
systems -- i.e., a VZW HLR sees an ANSI-41 validation message coming
from a VLR of a carrier/system it "dislikes" and decides to reject the
validation request. VZW can't do anything at the network level to fix
problems with NPA-NXXs missing from roaming partners' switches/VLRs
(by far the most common cause of "broken" roaming), roaming partners'
VLRs not passing ESN validation requests to VZW's HLRs (accidentally
or deliberately), etc.

Very short description of ANSI-41:
http://www.illuminet.com/text/products/wireless/is41.shtml

-SC
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>"Bill Radio" <br@MountainWirelessNOSPAN.com> wrote:

>David,
>I am considering a switch to AC from SRW. Every time I call about something
>else, I also ask, "if I switch to AC and I don't like it, can I switch back
>to SRW within 30 days, even if it is no longer offered?" The answer has
>always been "yes". I will travel east next month, and I just may try it:
>switch then switch back. I keep forgetting to ask if it involves a contract
>renewal.
>

I switched from my data-only Express Network (NationalAccess) plan to an
America's Choice plan two days ago, when we traveled into an area with no EN
coverage. I asked the rep whether canceling the change within 30 days would
affect my contract renewal date. She said that when I cancel the change, I will
revert to my old plan with the original renewal date.

 

David S <dwstreeter@att.nut> wrote:

> Ha ha.



> The point is, IS THE UNLIMITED N/W FREE OR ISN'T IT?

I would say if they're charging $15, they shouldn't advertise it as free...

> Another question I thought of: it says that if I cancel within 15 days,
> they'll put me back on my previous plan. Will they *really* put me back on
> my current SR-GL/50, even though they don't offer regional SRs any more?

That, I can't answer.

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On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 11:29:08 -0600, Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
everything:

>David S <dwstreeter@att.nut> wrote:
>
>> The point is, IS THE UNLIMITED N/W FREE OR ISN'T IT?
>
>I would say if they're charging $15, they shouldn't advertise it as free...

I would say that, too, but the problem is that they're advertising as free
and then saying it costs $15 within the same inch on their web page.

Is there anybody out there who actually *knows*? Steve Crow? Bill Radio?
KC? Anybody?

<echo>

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</echo>

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All I know is, the free offer has disappeared form my area listing. :-(

Tom J
who wonders if somebody goofed

"David S" <dwstreeter@att.nut> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 11:29:08 -0600, Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
> chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
> everything:
>
> >David S <dwstreeter@att.nut> wrote:
> >
> >> The point is, IS THE UNLIMITED N/W FREE OR ISN'T IT?
> >
> >I would say if they're charging $15, they shouldn't advertise it as free...
>
> I would say that, too, but the problem is that they're advertising as free
> and then saying it costs $15 within the same inch on their web page.
>
> Is there anybody out there who actually *knows*? Steve Crow? Bill Radio?
> KC? Anybody?
>
> <echo>
>
> ANYBODY? ANYBOdy? ANYbody? ANybody? Anybody? anybody? an-b-dy? an----y?....
>
> </echo>
>
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> interested, could you introduce us to your lawn tractor?" - Dave Barry
>

 

In article <vqp2u58kna1375@corp.supernews.com>,
Bill Radio <br@MountainWirelessNOSPAN.com> wrote:
>David,
>I am considering a switch to AC from SRW. Every time I call about something
>else, I also ask, "if I switch to AC and I don't like it, can I switch back
>to SRW within 30 days, even if it is no longer offered?" The answer has
>always been "yes". I will travel east next month, and I just may try it:
>switch then switch back. I keep forgetting to ask if it involves a contract
>renewal.

I did exactly what you did. I got my old SRW, with the 8 pm start time,
and the original contract renewal date back. They played their usual
prorated minutes game (see
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=benihb$17vo$1@agate.berkeley.edu&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain),
but I did get my original plan back.
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On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 05:45:02 +0000 (UTC), fungus@OCF.Berkeley.EDU (Hank
Fung) chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
everything:

>In article <vqp2u58kna1375@corp.supernews.com>,
>Bill Radio <br@MountainWirelessNOSPAN.com> wrote:
>>David,
>>I am considering a switch to AC from SRW. Every time I call about something
>>else, I also ask, "if I switch to AC and I don't like it, can I switch back
>>to SRW within 30 days, even if it is no longer offered?" The answer has
>>always been "yes". I will travel east next month, and I just may try it:
>>switch then switch back. I keep forgetting to ask if it involves a contract
>>renewal.
>
>I did exactly what you did. I got my old SRW, with the 8 pm start time,
>and the original contract renewal date back. They played their usual
>prorated minutes game
>but I did get my original plan back.

Good to know, both of you. Hank, are you still under contract on the SRW,
or is it month to month now?

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In article <tr5tqv4mf8eloega5u8jgahpljlm6enlqi@4ax.com>,
David S <dwstreeter@att.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 05:45:02 +0000 (UTC), fungus@OCF.Berkeley.EDU (Hank
>Fung) chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
>everything:
>>I did exactly what you did. I got my old SRW, with the 8 pm start time,
>>and the original contract renewal date back. They played their usual
>>prorated minutes game
>>but I did get my original plan back.
>
>Good to know, both of you. Hank, are you still under contract on the SRW,
>or is it month to month now?

'm still under contract, until November 2004, because I took advantage
of that $50 v60 last year around this time.
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