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VZW SNR now has unlimited nights/weekend as a mandatory bonus FREE (it may be an ooops)

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Dr. WireMORE, Nov 6, 2003.

  1. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 23:23:29 GMT, "N9WOS"
    <n9wos@nobug.worldnet.att.net> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >> BUT, we are talking about NATIONAL SINGLE RATE PLAN. The nation is your local
    >> calling area & this new offering does include unlimited night & weekends
    >> starting at 9:01 PM!!! I can assure you it's better than what you now have -
    >> covers more real-estate - and cheaper per comparable minutes.


    >Same difference.
    >The cingular nation and verizon NSR plan are basically the same thing.
    >Where ever you get service in the USA, you will be in your home area.
    >No ifs ands or butts...........
    >One can't be better than the other as for as cellular coverage goes.


    Sure it can. One needs CDMA coverage, the other needs TDMA coverage.
    And there's a lot more CDMA coverage in the US.

    >The only difference is that NSR users could roam on SprintPCS
    >because they are using CDMA phones which are compatible.


    Or Altell. Or any other CDMA or analog carrier that will accept them.

    >Coverage differences will be completely dependent on
    >mode capabilities of the handset.


    And what carriers cover the area you're in.



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  2. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 00:54:46 -0600, About Dakota
    <aboutdakota@REMOVEMEhotmail.com> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >Is there any reference to unlimited nights and weekends in that letter?
    > The anytime minutes are a given, it's wonderful plan. But it's also
    >very possible that night/weekend minutes will work only on Verizon's
    >native system, or the America's Choice network, which is the combination
    >of Verizon's native systems, and sytems of roaming partners.


    Nope. Unlimited is a billing feature, not a network feature. If you
    can place (or receive) a call during night or weekend hours it doesn't
    get billed. Trust me - my wife tests that every weekend. :)

    BTW, we live in NY, and one weekend a year we're on the phone for
    about 24 hours (1440 minutes) in just 2 days in Texas. No charge.
    We've also not gotten charged when on SPCS and Altell. And this has
    been going on for a few years.
  3. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 05:25:27 GMT, David S <dwstreeter@att.nut> posted
    in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >I know, no one likes grammar flames, but five (5!) "would of"s just drove
    >me over the top. I could have ignored 2, maybe 3, but 5 was too much. And
    >then you finished with a correct "would have" but followed it immediately
    >with "two" instead of "to"...
    >
    ><pant pant pant>
    >
    ><deep breath>
    >
    >Okay, I'm calm now. Rant over. (And I didn't even mention your "it's"
    >error.)


    And you completely missed the "braking" even. :) I mean, I brake on
    all 4 wheels, and 4 is an even number, but ...
  4. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 06:22:57 GMT, "N9WOS"
    <n9wos@nobug.worldnet.att.net> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >Everyone has flaws man..... :)
    >You think that's bad, you should of read the junk
    >I typed out five years ago.
    >Now that's bad!


    How's your CW? :)
  5. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:15:58 -0500, "Jeff Phillips"
    <jeff_phil-NOSPAM@yahoo.com> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >Notice that if you click on the link under "Select your 1 bonus calling
    >feature(s), it says that the unlimited nights & weekends are "home" minutes.
    >You can use your peak minutes nationwide, but your unlimited night & weekend
    >minutes only in your home area.


    Which, in the case of NSR, is the US.
  6. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On 8 Nov 2003 00:59:38 GMT, hoch@exemplary.invalid (CharlesH) posted
    in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >So is the quote an example of cut-n-paste into a context where it does
    >it is nonsense? Is it saying, effectively,


    >"You can use your peak minutes nationwide, but your unlimited night & weekend
    >minutes only nationwide."


    Yes, it's proof that the only ones who are worse in English than
    engineers are marketing types.

    >Also, I don't know if the exact wording has changed, but SRN used to
    >specifically exclude calls which got bounced to a credit card (i.e., ARN).
    >Didn't know about their ability to add coverage on request in some cases.
    >But if VZW doesn't have a roaming agreement with a provider, there is no way
    >the roaming provider is going to put through a call which they won't
    >be able to collect on.


    If you're standing on US soil, that's VZW's problem, not yours. (Once
    you call CS, that is.)
  7. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 01:17:16 -0600, About Dakota
    <aboutdakota@REMOVEMEhotmail.com> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >We all seem to be arguing over the definition of 'home area'. There
    >should be two terms (if not more) that should encompass the concepts of
    >our current meanings (or implications) of 'home area'.


    >1. Airtime Rate Area: This would be where your anytime minutes apply.


    >2. Home Network Area: This would be the SID or composite of SID's that
    >your carrier uses (excluding any roaming partners' SID's, just to clarify).


    Nope. With NSR, "home area" means "the United States". So does
    Airtime rate area. If you can make a call, and are standing on US
    soil, the call is included in your minutes (or unlimited calling
    during those hours). If you get billed for the call they'll credit it
    on the next bill if you complain.
  8. Tom J

    Tom J Guest

    "About Dakota" <aboutdakota@REMOVEMEhotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:3FAF39E2.20200@REMOVEMEhotmail.com...

    >
    > But are you on National Single Rate, correct? I know how it works on
    > America's choice and Local Digital Choice. But I'm still skeptical
    > about NSR. I just don't think Verizon would allow you to use unlimited
    > minutes in a competitor (for instance in South Dakota, you would
    > primarily be using Western Wireless [Cellular One West]). Verizon
    > provides very limited coverage in South Dakota. That's just an example.


    I have a National Single Rate Plan & I travel all over North America. I have
    2000 weekend minutes on my current plan that starts at 7 PM Friday and goes to
    6 AM Monday. 2000 minutes on the weekend is a lot of minutes and that's when
    we make our call back to our family and friends. I can assure you AGAIN that
    we do make those calls no matter whose tower we are getting a signal from and
    that they are listed as available minutes at N/C. The new nights & weekend
    contracts read the same as my plan except the starting times are different and
    Canada is not included.

    Tom J
    who has made many calls from Rapid City, Pierre, Mitchell, Wall, etc with
    regular minutes N/C
  9. Tom J

    Tom J Guest

    "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.org> wrote in message
    news:24buqvcb9te73fis41rvmkfli572j3dq55@Pern.rk...
    > On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 01:17:16 -0600, About Dakota
    > <aboutdakota@REMOVEMEhotmail.com> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
    >
    > >We all seem to be arguing over the definition of 'home area'. There
    > >should be two terms (if not more) that should encompass the concepts of
    > >our current meanings (or implications) of 'home area'.

    >
    > >1. Airtime Rate Area: This would be where your anytime minutes apply.

    >
    > >2. Home Network Area: This would be the SID or composite of SID's that
    > >your carrier uses (excluding any roaming partners' SID's, just to clarify).

    >
    > Nope. With NSR, "home area" means "the United States". So does
    > Airtime rate area. If you can make a call, and are standing on US
    > soil, the call is included in your minutes (or unlimited calling
    > during those hours). If you get billed for the call they'll credit it
    > on the next bill if you complain.


    Al, that's the way it's worked for me too. I have never a wrong charge that
    wasn't reversed with just one phone call. Before I signed up for NSR I was
    just as skeptical as Dakota, and ask a lot of questions of this newsgroup, but
    instead of going on and on in this group, I sat down and wrote a hard copy
    letter to Verizon asking the specifics I had questions about and got a hard
    copy reply that is attached to and is a part of my contract. I bet half the
    people posting here can't even put their hands on their contract, let alone
    know what's actually in it, because they never read it.

    Tom J
  10. N9WOS

    N9WOS Guest


    > How's your CW? :)


    I can receive good.
    Just don't ask me to send!
    It's just not a good idea. :-o
  11. N9WOS

    N9WOS Guest


    > >Same difference.
    > >The cingular nation and verizon NSR plan are basically the same thing.
    > >Where ever you get service in the USA, you will be in your home area.
    > >No ifs ands or butts...........
    > >One can't be better than the other as for as cellular coverage goes.

    >
    > Sure it can. One needs CDMA coverage, the other needs TDMA coverage.
    > And there's a lot more CDMA coverage in the US.


    I am talking about CELLULAR coverage, not PCS.
    All 800Mhz carriers support AMPS.

    > >The only difference is that NSR users could roam on SprintPCS
    > >because they are using CDMA phones which are compatible.

    >
    > Or Altell. Or any other CDMA or analog carrier that will accept them.


    Yes, them or any other 1900Mhz CDMA carrier.
    But the loss of the 1900Mhz CDMA can be ignored with all
    the 800Mhz TDMA and AMPS carriers that you can chose from.
    I don't need no freaking 1900Mhz when I got AMPS! :)

    > >Coverage differences will be completely dependent on
    > >mode capabilities of the handset.

    >
    > And what carriers cover the area you're in.


    Lest me run over the list of companies that are licensed
    and which ones actually have coverage here.

    1900Mhz T mobile.
    No signal anywhere close to here.

    1900Mhz SprintPCS
    No signal anywhere close to here.

    1900Mhz Poplar PCS
    No signal anywhere close to here.

    1900Mhz AT&T
    No signal anywhere close to here.

    800Mhz NEXTEL
    No signal anywhere close to here.

    1900Mhz Cingular.
    Moderate coverage around Nashville and
    right along the main road.

    800Mhz Cingular.
    Moderate coverage with hand held phone.
    Real good coverage with a 3 W phone.

    800Mhz verizon.
    Moderate coverage along the main highways.
    Horrible coverage off the main highways.
    3W phone doesn't help much.

    The only reason why verizon has a useable signal
    around brown county right now is because they
    are renting tower space off of cigular, and using cingular's tower.
  12. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:03:46 GMT, "N9WOS"
    <n9wos@nobug.worldnet.att.net> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >> >Same difference.
    >> >The cingular nation and verizon NSR plan are basically the same thing.
    >> >Where ever you get service in the USA, you will be in your home area.
    >> >No ifs ands or butts...........
    >> >One can't be better than the other as for as cellular coverage goes.


    >> Sure it can. One needs CDMA coverage, the other needs TDMA coverage.
    >> And there's a lot more CDMA coverage in the US.


    >I am talking about CELLULAR coverage, not PCS.
    >All 800Mhz carriers support AMPS.


    Not all over. CDMA carriers support analog in their areas, TDMA
    carriers support analog in their areas. There's no guarantee that the
    carrier running the analog cell near you will accept your call.
    Cellular carriers have to maintain their analog service - they don't
    have to accept connections from customers of other carriers.

    >> >The only difference is that NSR users could roam on SprintPCS
    >> >because they are using CDMA phones which are compatible.


    >> Or Altell. Or any other CDMA or analog carrier that will accept them.


    >Yes, them or any other 1900Mhz CDMA carrier.
    >But the loss of the 1900Mhz CDMA can be ignored with all
    >the 800Mhz TDMA and AMPS carriers that you can chose from.
    >I don't need no freaking 1900Mhz when I got AMPS! :)


    You do if the only carrier that'll allow you to use its system is a
    CDMA carrier.

    >> >Coverage differences will be completely dependent on
    >> >mode capabilities of the handset.


    >> And what carriers cover the area you're in.


    >Lest me run over the list of companies that are licensed
    >and which ones actually have coverage here.


    If you never plan to leave home some minor carrier might be best for
    you. For those of us who travel, even once in a while, Cingular might
    not be a consideration.
  13. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:37:44 GMT, "N9WOS"
    <n9wos@nobug.worldnet.att.net> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:


    >> How's your CW? :)


    >I can receive good.
    >Just don't ask me to send!
    >It's just not a good idea. :-o


    LOL
  14. N9WOS

    N9WOS Guest

    > If you never plan to leave home some minor carrier might be best for
    > you. For those of us who travel, even once in a while, Cingular might
    > not be a consideration.


    Coverage around home is what I demand.
    Roaming in far away places is something I can live without, if required.
    But around home where I spend 99.9% of my time is where I have to use it.
    The range that I travel is from Dayton Ohio, Indianapolis, pana Illinois,
    and Louisville Kentucky.

    But the more important area is between Indianapolis, Bloomington,
    Bedford, Seymour, and Columbus Indiana.

    And the most important area is the area around Nashville, Morgantown, and
    Ellettsville

    As for as the most important area goes.

    Verizon doesn't even have coverage in Morgantown.
    Even a three watt car phone with roof top antenna can't grab a signal
    from the nearest tower.
    Cigular's signal is bone crushingly strong in Morgantown.

    There is a big fat dead zone that runs from Belmont all the way
    to the edge of Bloomington.
    You pick up AT&T's 1900Mhz signal out of Bloomington before
    you can pick up a useable verizon signal.
    The dead zone use to be larger until verizon put their system on
    cigular's tower in brown county.
    Heck, I couldn't even get a good signal at my house before then.
    Cingular has solid coverage resulting from a tower on the east side
    of Bloomington.

    There is a dead spot near Gnaw bone for both systems on 800Mhz
    Verizon's use to be horrid until they put their unit on cigular's tower.
    With a 3W phone, there is no dead spot for cigular.
    Some company has just put a new tower right in the middle of the dead spot
    at gnaw bone.
    It is a 1900Mhz carrier, I haven't found out who it is yet.
    But it definitely has 1.9Gig panel antennas on it.
    And it uses a monopole design.

    Old Ellettsville.
    The town they flooded when they made lake Monroe.
    It isn't even listed on the map any more, but some of it still exist.
    Mainly around the south side of the state park.
    I didn't even get a cellular or PCS signal of any type except for
    a lonely cigular 800Mhz signal
    Performance with a 3W phone and a roof top antenna is moderate.
    Down in the valleys, the phone can pick up a weak tower signal
    but it can't make contact with the tower.
    Out in the open area and hill tops, the phone does good.
    Until verizon put their unit on cigular's tower, you would of
    never found a verizon signal there.
    But, you can't activate a 3W phone on verizon so
    it doesn't really mater if there is a weak signal there now,
    because a 200mw phone will never make contact with the tower.

    So, there is absolutely no way I would consider using verizon as
    my primary provider.

    I may have nation wide roaming, but if I can't use the phone
    in my own back yard, it's worthless.
  15. David S

    David S Guest

    On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 06:08:15 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> chose to add
    this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 05:25:27 GMT, David S <dwstreeter@att.nut> posted
    >in alt.cellular.verizon:
    >
    >>I know, no one likes grammar flames, but five (5!) "would of"s just drove
    >>me over the top. I could have ignored 2, maybe 3, but 5 was too much. And
    >>then you finished with a correct "would have" but followed it immediately
    >>with "two" instead of "to"...
    >>
    >><pant pant pant>
    >>
    >><deep breath>
    >>
    >>Okay, I'm calm now. Rant over. (And I didn't even mention your "it's"
    >>error.)

    >
    >And you completely missed the "braking" even. :) I mean, I brake on
    >all 4 wheels, and 4 is an even number, but ...


    I saw that one but let it slide. It could be a genuine typo, whereas "would
    of" is ... well, I won't insult him since he didn't get pissed at me for
    the flame.

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    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
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  16. David S

    David S Guest

    On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:15:52 -0600, About Dakota
    <aboutdakota@REMOVEMEhotmail.com> chose to add this to the great equation
    of life, the universe, and everything:

    >> If you're standing on US soil, that's VZW's problem, not yours. (Once
    >> you call CS, that is.)

    >
    >Actually, that's not entirely true. I would like you take a phone, any
    >phone that is on NSR, and drive the exact border between the U.S. and
    >Canada (on the U.S. side of course). I would be willing to bet that
    >over half of your calls would be billed based on the location receiving
    >the call, not the location of the caller. And I would be willing to bet
    >you would have quite a few calls coming from Canada's wireless system.
    >Since your roaming indicator means nothing to you on NSR, how do you
    >know when it would be billed from Canada and when it would be billed
    >from U.S.?
    >
    >I will tell you from experience that you will encounter billing from
    >Canada. If you don't believe me, I will take to several locations that
    >prove that.


    BUT, will they reverse the charge when you call CS?

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    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
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    I say the hell with it." - Ronald Reagan
  17. David S

    David S Guest

    On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:53:37 -0600, About Dakota
    <aboutdakota@REMOVEMEhotmail.com> chose to add this to the great equation
    of life, the universe, and everything:

    >David S wrote:
    >> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:15:52 -0600, About Dakota
    >> <aboutdakota@REMOVEMEhotmail.com> chose to add this to the great equation
    >> of life, the universe, and everything:
    >>
    >>>>If you're standing on US soil, that's VZW's problem, not yours. (Once
    >>>>you call CS, that is.)
    >>>
    >>>Actually, that's not entirely true. I would like you take a phone, any
    >>>phone that is on NSR, and drive the exact border between the U.S. and
    >>>Canada (on the U.S. side of course). I would be willing to bet that
    >>>over half of your calls would be billed based on the location receiving
    >>>the call, not the location of the caller. And I would be willing to bet
    >>>you would have quite a few calls coming from Canada's wireless system.
    >>>Since your roaming indicator means nothing to you on NSR, how do you
    >>>know when it would be billed from Canada and when it would be billed
    >>>from U.S.?

    >>
    >>>I will tell you from experience that you will encounter billing from
    >>>Canada. If you don't believe me, I will take to several locations that
    >>>prove that.

    >>
    >> BUT, will they reverse the charge when you call CS?

    >
    >No, they don't. At least not in Minnesota, North Dakota, Montana.


    How do they justify that bullshit? You have no way of knowing what
    country's tower you're on.

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  18. Dapper Dave

    Dapper Dave Guest

    >David S <dwstreeter@att.nut> wrote:

    >>>>Actually, that's not entirely true. I would like you take a phone, any
    >>>>phone that is on NSR, and drive the exact border between the U.S. and
    >>>>Canada (on the U.S. side of course). I would be willing to bet that
    >>>>over half of your calls would be billed based on the location receiving
    >>>>the call, not the location of the caller. And I would be willing to bet
    >>>>you would have quite a few calls coming from Canada's wireless system.
    >>>>Since your roaming indicator means nothing to you on NSR, how do you
    >>>>know when it would be billed from Canada and when it would be billed
    >>>>from U.S.?
    >>>
    >>>>I will tell you from experience that you will encounter billing from
    >>>>Canada. If you don't believe me, I will take to several locations that
    >>>>prove that.
    >>>
    >>> BUT, will they reverse the charge when you call CS?

    >>
    >>No, they don't. At least not in Minnesota, North Dakota, Montana.

    >
    >How do they justify that bullshit? You have no way of knowing what
    >country's tower you're on.



    I received my AT&T (not Verizon) bill yesterday. I have their "Digital One
    Rate", which is the same plan as Verizon's NSR (I have had both). It had $18
    worth of Canadian roaming charges from when we were staying in Sault St. Marie,
    Michigan, which is across the canal from Canada. A call to AT&T resulted in them
    cheerfully reversing the charge.
  19. Tom J

    Tom J Guest

    "David S" <dwstreeter@att.nut> wrote in message
    news:eek:lb4rvkhkp8igttuklvl8ov8c73a91n8d4@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:53:37 -0600, About Dakota
    > <aboutdakota@REMOVEMEhotmail.com> chose to add


    > >>
    > >> BUT, will they reverse the charge when you call CS?

    > >
    > >No, they don't. At least not in Minnesota, North Dakota, Montana.

    >
    > How do they justify that bullshit? You have no way of knowing what
    > country's tower you're on.


    I am on a National Single Rate Plan and have made many calls along the border,
    both the Canadian and Mexican border. I have had calls I made in the US
    billed as being made in Mexico, and a phone call got them removed. I can't
    say for sure about Canada, because my plan includes Canada, but I don't think
    I would have any problem getting such a charge reversed.

    On the other hand, IF I lived and traveled in the border area every day, month
    after month, and asked for corrections to the bill from the same locations
    month after month, I would expect resistance from Verizon, or any other cell
    provider. I think that's what we are seeing here!!

    Tom J
  20. David S

    David S Guest

    On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:08:38 -0600, About Dakota
    <aboutdakota@REMOVEMEhotmail.com> chose to add this to the great equation
    of life, the universe, and everything:

    >If you don't beleive me, I will take you to that house. Just catch a
    >flight to Fargo, North Dakota. It's only an 8 hour drive from Fargo. I
    >don't live there anymore, but I'm sure the new residents wouldn't mind
    >some company for a city dweller to see how life there really is.


    Thanks but no thanks. (Anyway, I'm a suburbanite.)

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