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What happened to all of the Verizon PTT advertising?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Scott Stephenson, Sep 28, 2003.

  1. David Domanski wrote:

    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Good for Nextel. More than likely without Verizon's PTT service that
    > number would have been higher. Why do nothing but critcize the
    > 'latency' problem with Verizon's PTT? Have you even used it? Seen It
    > in action? At least Verizon PTT is useable in a quality area unlike
    > Nextels.
    >
    > The feedback i personally have got from Real Customers with PTT haven't
    > had much to complain about. Some may say "its 'slower' than Nextel but
    > at least it works where i need it to work."
    >


    You want to hear my experience with the PTT? Walked into a Verizon store a
    little over three weeks ago and inquired about the product. They showed me
    the phone and explained the functionality. I asjked if they could give me
    a demonstration, and was told it would be no problem- they could call
    another store on the other side of town. After three attempts to connect
    (a total of about three minutes), the salesperson explained that it must be
    the battery in the phone, and went to the back. A few minutes later, he
    returns with a different phone. On the fourth attempt (fourth attempt with
    this phone), he finally connects- roughly fifteen seconds later (I was
    doing my best to count) the beep arrives and he starts talking. Somewhere
    in the vicinity of 25 seconds after he ends his side of the conversation,
    here comes the response- starting in mid sentence. In fact, every response
    was like that- it was obvious that the salesperson on the other end bought
    the Verizon line and started talking as soon as she pressed the button
    (didn't wait for the beep). And did I mention that the session
    mysteriously disconnected three times during the conversation, causing them
    to go through the whole call setup process all over again?

    Add that to your list of Potential customers who do see the problems.


    >
    >
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Don't need to be a marketing genius to see this. Verizon makes a huge
    >> deal about PTT before the launch, puts it on the market with some major
    >> bugs that should have been caught in testing and fixed before rollout,
    >> plays down the latency issue (only to have it come up in every
    >> independent review of the product), and dumps a ton of money into a very
    >> intense advertising
    >> campaign. Then, within a week of being sued by Nextel, the advertising
    >> stops, and now camera phones are the next big thing.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Major Bugs? Other than extremely picky people considering the 'latency'
    > or delay being a HUGE HUGE problem what other issues does PTT have?
    > Please indulge me. The phone is great, the phone service is incredible,
    > the PTT service is more than acceptable.


    See my comments above- and I'm not picky. I just expect to get the product
    as advertised.



    >
    > Hmmm....well more than likely if the advertising for PTT was stopped is
    > either because Verizon felt Camera phones would sell better to the kids
    > returning to school or the Courts told them to put a hold on the
    > advertising until the case was sorted out. Happens frequently, its much
    > like getting a speeding ticket if you take it to court its not in effect
    > until AFTER the precedings have taken place.


    Haven't seen any action by the court. Matter of fact, haven't seen a
    response to the suit from Verizon, which is horribly out of character for
    them.


    >
    > And yes IMO Camera Phones ARE the big thing now. 5 Major Carriers now
    > sell Camera Phones serving a HUGE customer base.
    >
    > One HUGE thing to think about also particularly with Camera Phones
    > unlike Nextel DC and Verizon PTT you can send and receive pictures from
    > ANY OTHER CARRIERS PICTURE PHONE.


    Great- I'm sure the Peeping Toms, Child Molesters and Sexual Deviants are
    snatching them up by the thousands.

    >> >

    >>
    >> Yeah- I know. The Camera phones. IF this was the plan all along, where
    >> are
    >> the ads? Still in production? Why is it that I was subjected to year
    >> old ads this weekend, instead of Skippy The Clown taking pictures of cows
    >> and cornfields with his new camera phone?
    >>
    >> And if camera phones are supposed to be the hot item here, how is it that
    >> Motorola found it more important to concentrate on overseas phones, at
    >> the expense of the domestic market?
    >>

    >


    I guess you missed this last part- I'm still waiting to hear the company
    line on this.



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  2. Scott Stephenson <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in article
    <NZJeb.4181$qK1.3981600@news2.news.adelphia.net>:
    > >

    >
    > You want to hear my experience with the PTT? Walked into a Verizon store a
    > little over three weeks ago and inquired about the product. They showed me
    > the phone and explained the functionality. I asjked if they could give me
    > a demonstration, and was told it would be no problem- they could call
    > another store on the other side of town. After three attempts to connect
    > (a total of about three minutes), the salesperson explained that it must be
    > the battery in the phone, and went to the back. A few minutes later, he
    > returns with a different phone. On the fourth attempt (fourth attempt with
    > this phone), he finally connects- roughly fifteen seconds later (I was
    > doing my best to count) the beep arrives and he starts talking. Somewhere
    > in the vicinity of 25 seconds after he ends his side of the conversation,
    > here comes the response- starting in mid sentence. In fact, every response
    > was like that- it was obvious that the salesperson on the other end bought
    > the Verizon line and started talking as soon as she pressed the button
    > (didn't wait for the beep). And did I mention that the session
    > mysteriously disconnected three times during the conversation, causing them
    > to go through the whole call setup process all over again?
    >
    > Add that to your list of Potential customers who do see the problems.
    >
    >
    > >
    > >


    And thats your ONLY experience? Thats like judging every Honda is a POS
    when the ONLY ONE you ever owned was a lemon. PTT 'may' be slow when
    compared with Nextels but its by no means THAT slow and never has been
    at least in my market. I've initiated many PTT calls in my home service
    area and the calls don't take more than 4-5 seconds from send to
    response if that, I'd say its less than that.


    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>

    >
    > See my comments above- and I'm not picky. I just expect to get the product
    > as advertised.
    >
    >
    >

    Picky Picky Picky. Works fine in Michigan.

    > >
    > >

    >
    > Haven't seen any action by the court. Matter of fact, haven't seen a
    > response to the suit from Verizon, which is horribly out of character for
    > them.
    >
    >


    Are you ALWAYS informed of every court decision, in every case, in every
    state? Didn't think so. Didn't you hear anything about WLNP between
    Nextel and Sprint before Monday morning? Doubt it.

    > >
    > >

    >
    > Great- I'm sure the Peeping Toms, Child Molesters and Sexual Deviants are
    > snatching them up by the thousands.
    >
    > >> >
    > >>


    Jeez, if thats how you think I hope you fall in a puddle and drown. The
    majority of the country 99.9% are not like you.

    Picture phones are useful for businesses, and for personal use.


    > >> Yeah- I know. The Camera phones. IF this was the plan all along, where
    > >> are
    > >> the ads? Still in production? Why is it that I was subjected to year
    > >> old ads this weekend, instead of Skippy The Clown taking pictures of cows
    > >> and cornfields with his new camera phone?
    > >>
    > >> And if camera phones are supposed to be the hot item here, how is it that
    > >> Motorola found it more important to concentrate on overseas phones, at
    > >> the expense of the domestic market?
    > >>

    > >

    >
    > I guess you missed this last part- I'm still waiting to hear the company
    > line on this.
    >
    >
    >
    >

    Haven't you seen commercials for other things that have been repeated
    and repeated and repeated only to go away for a year or two and only to
    be rereleased? It pretty common actually for EVERY company. All that
    says is hey we still have the same stuff that made us great in the first
    place

    Camera phones are selling at a MUCH higher rate overseas. Think about
    it slick if you have 60 million people willing to get Camera Phones and
    over here you got 10 million people wanting Camera Phones where would
    you concentrate first?

    I hope you never own your own business you don't seem to understand
    everything related the profit.

    Not to mention the fact that, China opening up to CDMA technology, and
    Motorola investing heavily into the Chinese market to assist in its
    development its no wonder they said heck with the USA because their
    profit structure has SOO much more expandibility. There are likely a
    few HUNDRED million people lacking quality Cellular equipment if any at
    all. Do the math, whats more profitable? Sell phones here with stupid
    picky ass people like you? Or sell Cellular technology in a MASSIVE
    emerging market with Hundreds of Millions of BRAND NEW potential
    subscribers?

    And no thats NOT a 'company' line its business...profit. But then you
    don't understand that.

    http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,,2001_1609_23,00.html

    Read.

    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  3. Scott Stephenson <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in article
    <L7Keb.4182$qK1.3983660@news2.news.adelphia.net>:
    > Isaiah Beard wrote:
    >
    > > Scott Stephenson wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >> Yeah- OK. They spent all that money for a product that had a shelf life
    > >> of
    > >> a month. I don't that even the most diehard Verizon posters are buying
    > >> that.

    > >
    > >
    > > For such a strong statement, it looks like your original post was more
    > > posturing for an argument than it was a genuine question.
    > >
    > > If you want my opinion (and if you're a good troll then I *know* you
    > > do), Verizon prudently stopped hyping up the PTT feature because of the
    > > lawsuits. They already have all the advertising they need, and I'm more
    > > than willing to bet that Nextel will gain nothing from their expenditure.
    > >
    > > Another theory could be that Verizon is waiting to improve on their PTT
    > > service before they continue to hype it up. Seems reasonable: fix the
    > > weaknesses that the detractors are jabbing at, and then continue the big
    > > advertising campaign when all the criticisms are moot.

    >
    > You know, I wholeheartedly agree with both scenarios you mentioned. Both
    > would provide the most rational and easy to understand explanations.
    > Unfortunately, I've been listening to a very lame explanation revolving
    > around Camera Phones being the really hot product, and the PTT is not that
    > big a deal (warned over service is the term that was used).
    >
    > What it comes down to is a lack of ownership by Corporate America to admit
    > that they screwed up, or rushed a product to market too soon. And if
    > either of the situations you described are the real reason behind this, why
    > not admit it? Verizon has made no comment on the lawsuit, and if they need
    > to improve the product enough to stop the advertising, is it really worthy
    > of peoples' hard earned money? And if this is indeed the case, doesn't
    > this smell of the Microsoft philosophy of putting a product on the market,
    > getting the money and then fixing it (eventually)?
    >
    > As I've said before, biggest is not always best, especially for the consumer
    > in many cases. This whole PTT thing is proving to be a classic example of
    > that, IMHO.


    >
    >
    >
    >

    Agreeing with yourself?

    In any case it seems I have to spell things out for you. Verizon PTT
    service itself isn't 'warmed over'. I was referring to the concept of
    PTT, or Direct Connect, Walkie-Talkie Phone, 2-way, etc etc.... You are
    not very bright are you?

    Theories are a bitch aren't they. You people can speculate all you want
    and none of you will ever know the truth behind the seemingly sudden
    change to Picture Phones. Its funny that you seem to glance over the
    fact that their is a little something called School that kids from
    Grades k-12 and College just re-entered another year at school. Which
    guess what? This happens to be the FIRST year that Verizon has had
    Picture phones availible. Not to mention that there also happens to be
    a "Back to School" push for the Unlimited Picture and Text messaging
    package for $4.99 until 01/01/04.

    Which....Oh shit guess what? Requires Verizon's Camera Phone...damn
    who'd thought? Plain and simple Picture Phones are a bigger cash cow
    during the month or so everyone is going back to school.

    You do know that Picture phones were advertised right along with PTT
    phones? Maybe not the same commercial but they have been advertised.

    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  4. David Domanski wrote:

    >
    >
    > Scott Stephenson <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in article
    > <NZJeb.4181$qK1.3981600@news2.news.adelphia.net>:
    >> >

    >>
    >> You want to hear my experience with the PTT? Walked into a Verizon store
    >> a
    >> little over three weeks ago and inquired about the product. They showed
    >> me
    >> the phone and explained the functionality. I asjked if they could give
    >> me a demonstration, and was told it would be no problem- they could call
    >> another store on the other side of town. After three attempts to connect
    >> (a total of about three minutes), the salesperson explained that it must
    >> be
    >> the battery in the phone, and went to the back. A few minutes later, he
    >> returns with a different phone. On the fourth attempt (fourth attempt
    >> with this phone), he finally connects- roughly fifteen seconds later (I
    >> was
    >> doing my best to count) the beep arrives and he starts talking.
    >> Somewhere in the vicinity of 25 seconds after he ends his side of the
    >> conversation,
    >> here comes the response- starting in mid sentence. In fact, every
    >> response was like that- it was obvious that the salesperson on the other
    >> end bought the Verizon line and started talking as soon as she pressed
    >> the button
    >> (didn't wait for the beep). And did I mention that the session
    >> mysteriously disconnected three times during the conversation, causing
    >> them to go through the whole call setup process all over again?
    >>
    >> Add that to your list of Potential customers who do see the problems.
    >>
    >>
    >> >
    >> >

    >
    > And thats your ONLY experience? Thats like judging every Honda is a POS
    > when the ONLY ONE you ever owned was a lemon. PTT 'may' be slow when
    > compared with Nextels but its by no means THAT slow and never has been
    > at least in my market. I've initiated many PTT calls in my home service
    > area and the calls don't take more than 4-5 seconds from send to
    > response if that, I'd say its less than that.



    Bad enough to turn me off and the other three people watching the demo.



    >
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >> Haven't seen any action by the court. Matter of fact, haven't seen a
    >> response to the suit from Verizon, which is horribly out of character for
    >> them.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Are you ALWAYS informed of every court decision, in every case, in every
    > state? Didn't think so. Didn't you hear anything about WLNP between
    > Nextel and Sprint before Monday morning? Doubt it.
    >
    >> >


    First thing- it most certainly would have been picked up by the press.
    Second, what does the Nextel/Sprint agreement have to do with a pending
    legal action? And by the way, I'm still checking the newswire for that
    blockbuster announcement by Verizon about their first agreement with
    another carrier- did I miss it? Didn't think so.




    >> >

    >>
    >> Great- I'm sure the Peeping Toms, Child Molesters and Sexual Deviants are
    >> snatching them up by the thousands.
    >>
    >> >> >
    >> >>

    >
    > Jeez, if thats how you think I hope you fall in a puddle and drown. The
    > majority of the country 99.9% are not like you.


    Just pointing out some of the liabilities of the new, hot product.



    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>

    > Haven't you seen commercials for other things that have been repeated
    > and repeated and repeated only to go away for a year or two and only to
    > be rereleased? It pretty common actually for EVERY company. All that
    > says is hey we still have the same stuff that made us great in the first
    > place


    Yep- same old stuff. Everybody else promoting new products and features,
    and then there's good old Verizon, showing us that they provide good old
    basic cellular service. Great hook- how innovative.


    >
    > Camera phones are selling at a MUCH higher rate overseas. Think about
    > it slick if you have 60 million people willing to get Camera Phones and
    > over here you got 10 million people wanting Camera Phones where would
    > you concentrate first?
    >
    > I hope you never own your own business you don't seem to understand
    > everything related the profit.
    >
    > Not to mention the fact that, China opening up to CDMA technology, and
    > Motorola investing heavily into the Chinese market to assist in its
    > development its no wonder they said heck with the USA because their
    > profit structure has SOO much more expandibility. There are likely a
    > few HUNDRED million people lacking quality Cellular equipment if any at
    > all. Do the math, whats more profitable? Sell phones here with stupid
    > picky ass people like you? Or sell Cellular technology in a MASSIVE
    > emerging market with Hundreds of Millions of BRAND NEW potential
    > subscribers?


    You know what? First good answer I've seen yet. And it shows where they
    are hot and where they are not. And for once, somebody has shown that
    Verizon is not the hottest player in the market.



    And trust me, I understand profit- take a look at Net Income per subscriber
    between Nextel and VZW. You'll see who is more profitable.
  5. David Domanski wrote:


    >
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>

    > Agreeing with yourself?


    Actually, agreeing with the previous poster. Is the lollipop getting in the
    way of the screen?

    >
    > In any case it seems I have to spell things out for you. Verizon PTT
    > service itself isn't 'warmed over'. I was referring to the concept of
    > PTT, or Direct Connect, Walkie-Talkie Phone, 2-way, etc etc.... You are
    > not very bright are you?


    When did it become warmed over? Before or after Verizon got into the
    market? If before, my claim stands- they spent a shitload of money on a
    product that they deem not important. Keep talking- we see where not very
    bright sits.


    >
    > Theories are a bitch aren't they. You people can speculate all you want
    > and none of you will ever know the truth behind the seemingly sudden
    > change to Picture Phones. Its funny that you seem to glance over the
    > fact that their is a little something called School that kids from
    > Grades k-12 and College just re-entered another year at school. Which
    > guess what? This happens to be the FIRST year that Verizon has had
    > Picture phones availible. Not to mention that there also happens to be
    > a "Back to School" push for the Unlimited Picture and Text messaging
    > package for $4.99 until 01/01/04.
    >


    First year they've had PTT, too. And I noticed you ignored a previous post
    from somebody working on a college campus, that pointed out the huge amount
    of Nextel PTT traffic he saw and the amazing lack of camera phones. I
    guess reality shoots a big old hole in your 'expert' observations.



    > Which....Oh shit guess what? Requires Verizon's Camera Phone...damn
    > who'd thought? Plain and simple Picture Phones are a bigger cash cow
    > during the month or so everyone is going back to school.



    Sure- and yet all of the press has been about the new data network in two
    whole markets, and not a word about camera phones. Again, the mainstream
    american press and your own press releases andadvertising don't seem to
    back you up. I know- its a big conspiracy (that's got to be it).


    >
    > You do know that Picture phones were advertised right along with PTT
    > phones? Maybe not the same commercial but they have been advertised.
    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]
  6. Scott Stephenson <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in article
    <ShLeb.4206$qK1.3996508@news2.news.adelphia.net>:
    >
    >
    > >>

    > >

    >
    > First thing- it most certainly would have been picked up by the press.
    > Second, what does the Nextel/Sprint agreement have to do with a pending
    > legal action? And by the way, I'm still checking the newswire for that
    > blockbuster announcement by Verizon about their first agreement with
    > another carrier- did I miss it? Didn't think so.
    >
    >
    >
    >


    The Nextel/Sprint agreement has everything to do with the Press and who
    would be reporting on Wireless News and Information. Didn't hear
    anything about that before Monday did you? When have you heard anything
    pertianing to Verizon's lawsuit against Nextel's potential theft of
    prototype PTT handsets and divulging of Verizon Network secrets?
    Nothing in months.

    > >> >
    > >>

    >
    > Just pointing out some of the liabilities of the new, hot product.
    >
    >
    >


    What and you can use normal Cell service to constantly harrass people,
    make nearly untraceable prank calls to emergency services, send obsence
    messages through text messages. If you really want to point out
    liabilities of products then fine, guess what? You can accidently kill
    people with your car, you can destroy federal and/or private property,
    etc etc....damn all products have liabilities.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>

    > >

    >
    > Yep- same old stuff. Everybody else promoting new products and features,
    > and then there's good old Verizon, showing us that they provide good old
    > basic cellular service. Great hook- how innovative.
    >
    >
    >
    >


    Some people don't care about PTT or Camera Phones and just want plain
    old good Service. Not to mention seeing as PTT and Camera Phones
    haven't been on the market for more than 4 months its not surprising
    that regular commercials are still being run. More than likely
    Verizon's Marketing Department signed into contracts with Numerous TV
    Networks, not to mention the 'actors' that participated in those
    commercials that they are supposed to be aired on TV so many times
    during for instance Nov. 2002 to Nov. 2003.

    Point is, you have no idea how or what agreements Verizon's Marketing
    Department has made and must stay binded to.

    > >
    > > Camera phones are selling at a MUCH higher rate overseas. Think about
    > > it slick if you have 60 million people willing to get Camera Phones and
    > > over here you got 10 million people wanting Camera Phones where would
    > > you concentrate first?
    > >
    > > I hope you never own your own business you don't seem to understand
    > > everything related the profit.
    > >
    > > Not to mention the fact that, China opening up to CDMA technology, and
    > > Motorola investing heavily into the Chinese market to assist in its
    > > development its no wonder they said heck with the USA because their
    > > profit structure has SOO much more expandibility. There are likely a
    > > few HUNDRED million people lacking quality Cellular equipment if any at
    > > all. Do the math, whats more profitable? Sell phones here with stupid
    > > picky ass people like you? Or sell Cellular technology in a MASSIVE
    > > emerging market with Hundreds of Millions of BRAND NEW potential
    > > subscribers?

    >
    > You know what? First good answer I've seen yet. And it shows where they
    > are hot and where they are not. And for once, somebody has shown that
    > Verizon is not the hottest player in the market.
    >
    >
    >
    >


    Yea, so? Verizon Wireless is a Company based solely in the United
    States. Not a single wireless provider has grasp on the Chinese
    Emerging market. Motorola has the jump on everything, not to mention
    it'll be hard for anyone to get solidity into China.

    >
    >
    >
    >
    > And trust me, I understand profit- take a look at Net Income per subscriber
    > between Nextel and VZW. You'll see who is more profitable.
    >
    >
    >
    >

    I'll give you that...Nextel's ARPU (Annual Revenue Per User)may be
    higher but you also have to remember Verizon has over Twice the
    subscribers that Nextel has so by the law of averages more people who
    have low-end/usage from Verizon will naturally bring Verizon's ARPU
    down.

    That still doesn't mean Nextel is more profitable.

    I'll be generous lets say Nextel has 16 million subscribers currently
    thats just less than 50% of Verizon's Customer base. And Again by the
    law of averages Verizon having more customers will naturally reduce the
    ARPU.

    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  7. David Domanski wrote:


    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    > The Nextel/Sprint agreement has everything to do with the Press and who
    > would be reporting on Wireless News and Information. Didn't hear
    > anything about that before Monday did you? When have you heard anything
    > pertianing to Verizon's lawsuit against Nextel's potential theft of
    > prototype PTT handsets and divulging of Verizon Network secrets?
    > Nothing in months.
    >


    True, but Nextel issued a public statement within a day of the suit being
    filed. Still looking for some kind of comment from Verizon on the latest
    one. Every other time, they have made a public comment.


    > What and you can use normal Cell service to constantly harrass people,
    > make nearly untraceable prank calls to emergency services, send obsence
    > messages through text messages. If you really want to point out
    > liabilities of products then fine, guess what? You can accidently kill
    > people with your car, you can destroy federal and/or private property,
    > etc etc....damn all products have liabilities.
    >> >>


    Do you actually read the stuff you post before hitting send?



    > Some people don't care about PTT or Camera Phones and just want plain
    > old good Service. Not to mention seeing as PTT and Camera Phones
    > haven't been on the market for more than 4 months its not surprising
    > that regular commercials are still being run.


    So they pulled their ads touting their new product to air ads that show that
    they offer the same service as everyone else? And not the product that
    diffrentiates them from every carrier except Nextel?


    More than likely
    > Verizon's Marketing Department signed into contracts with Numerous TV
    > Networks, not to mention the 'actors' that participated in those
    > commercials that they are supposed to be aired on TV so many times
    > during for instance Nov. 2002 to Nov. 2003.


    Now who's assuming things?

    >
    > Point is, you have no idea how or what agreements Verizon's Marketing
    > Department has made and must stay binded to.
    >


    That would make two of us, if this were the case. And if this is the case,
    I guess we'll blame the lack of new ads on poor planning. That's always
    profitable.


    >> >
    >> > Camera phones are selling at a MUCH higher rate overseas. Think about
    >> > it slick if you have 60 million people willing to get Camera Phones and
    >> > over here you got 10 million people wanting Camera Phones where would
    >> > you concentrate first?
    >> >
    >> > I hope you never own your own business you don't seem to understand
    >> > everything related the profit.
    >> >
    >> > Not to mention the fact that, China opening up to CDMA technology, and
    >> > Motorola investing heavily into the Chinese market to assist in its
    >> > development its no wonder they said heck with the USA because their
    >> > profit structure has SOO much more expandibility. There are likely a
    >> > few HUNDRED million people lacking quality Cellular equipment if any at
    >> > all. Do the math, whats more profitable? Sell phones here with stupid
    >> > picky ass people like you? Or sell Cellular technology in a MASSIVE
    >> > emerging market with Hundreds of Millions of BRAND NEW potential
    >> > subscribers?

    >>
    >> You know what? First good answer I've seen yet. And it shows where they
    >> are hot and where they are not. And for once, somebody has shown that
    >> Verizon is not the hottest player in the market.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Yea, so? Verizon Wireless is a Company based solely in the United
    > States. Not a single wireless provider has grasp on the Chinese
    > Emerging market. Motorola has the jump on everything, not to mention
    > it'll be hard for anyone to get solidity into China.
    >
    >>
    >>


    I guess this might mean that Verizon will have a tough time competing with a
    global Direct Connect if Nextel starts offering one (Direct Connect already
    extends to parts of Mexico as we speak).


    >>
    >>
    >>

    > I'll give you that...Nextel's ARPU (Annual Revenue Per User)may be
    > higher but you also have to remember Verizon has over Twice the
    > subscribers that Nextel has so by the law of averages more people who
    > have low-end/usage from Verizon will naturally bring Verizon's ARPU
    > down.
    >


    I wasn't talking about ARPU, I was talking about Net Income per Subsciber.
    Verizon has 296% of the Nextel subsciber base, yet their Net Operating
    Income is only 47% higher. So, with three times the subscibers, they only
    make half again as much as Nextel.


    > That still doesn't mean Nextel is more profitable.

    Per subscriber they are- check the financials.

    >
    > I'll be generous lets say Nextel has 16 million subscribers currently
    > thats just less than 50% of Verizon's Customer base. And Again by the
    > law of averages Verizon having more customers will naturally reduce the
    > ARPU.
    >


    Wait a minute- ARPU is going to be based on the price plan of each phone. If
    you're saying that Verizon is going to be less profitable per subscriber as
    they get bigger, won't they reach a point of total unprofitability? Your
    argument makes little sense.
  8. David Domanski wrote:


    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    > The Nextel/Sprint agreement has everything to do with the Press and who
    > would be reporting on Wireless News and Information. Didn't hear
    > anything about that before Monday did you? When have you heard anything
    > pertianing to Verizon's lawsuit against Nextel's potential theft of
    > prototype PTT handsets and divulging of Verizon Network secrets?
    > Nothing in months.
    >


    True, but Nextel issued a public statement within a day of the suit being
    filed. Still looking for some kind of comment from Verizon on the latest
    one. Every other time, they have made a public comment.


    > What and you can use normal Cell service to constantly harrass people,
    > make nearly untraceable prank calls to emergency services, send obsence
    > messages through text messages. If you really want to point out
    > liabilities of products then fine, guess what? You can accidently kill
    > people with your car, you can destroy federal and/or private property,
    > etc etc....damn all products have liabilities.
    >> >>


    Do you actually read the stuff you post before hitting send?



    > Some people don't care about PTT or Camera Phones and just want plain
    > old good Service. Not to mention seeing as PTT and Camera Phones
    > haven't been on the market for more than 4 months its not surprising
    > that regular commercials are still being run.


    So they pulled their ads touting their new product to air ads that show that
    they offer the same service as everyone else? And not the product that
    diffrentiates them from every carrier except Nextel?


    More than likely
    > Verizon's Marketing Department signed into contracts with Numerous TV
    > Networks, not to mention the 'actors' that participated in those
    > commercials that they are supposed to be aired on TV so many times
    > during for instance Nov. 2002 to Nov. 2003.


    Now who's assuming things?

    >
    > Point is, you have no idea how or what agreements Verizon's Marketing
    > Department has made and must stay binded to.
    >


    That would make two of us, if this were the case. And if this is the case,
    I guess we'll blame the lack of new ads on poor planning. That's always
    profitable.


    >> >
    >> > Camera phones are selling at a MUCH higher rate overseas. Think about
    >> > it slick if you have 60 million people willing to get Camera Phones and
    >> > over here you got 10 million people wanting Camera Phones where would
    >> > you concentrate first?
    >> >
    >> > I hope you never own your own business you don't seem to understand
    >> > everything related the profit.
    >> >
    >> > Not to mention the fact that, China opening up to CDMA technology, and
    >> > Motorola investing heavily into the Chinese market to assist in its
    >> > development its no wonder they said heck with the USA because their
    >> > profit structure has SOO much more expandibility. There are likely a
    >> > few HUNDRED million people lacking quality Cellular equipment if any at
    >> > all. Do the math, whats more profitable? Sell phones here with stupid
    >> > picky ass people like you? Or sell Cellular technology in a MASSIVE
    >> > emerging market with Hundreds of Millions of BRAND NEW potential
    >> > subscribers?

    >>
    >> You know what? First good answer I've seen yet. And it shows where they
    >> are hot and where they are not. And for once, somebody has shown that
    >> Verizon is not the hottest player in the market.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Yea, so? Verizon Wireless is a Company based solely in the United
    > States. Not a single wireless provider has grasp on the Chinese
    > Emerging market. Motorola has the jump on everything, not to mention
    > it'll be hard for anyone to get solidity into China.
    >
    >>
    >>


    I guess this might mean that Verizon will have a tough time competing with a
    global Direct Connect if Nextel starts offering one (Direct Connect already
    extends to parts of Mexico as we speak).


    >>
    >>
    >>

    > I'll give you that...Nextel's ARPU (Annual Revenue Per User)may be
    > higher but you also have to remember Verizon has over Twice the
    > subscribers that Nextel has so by the law of averages more people who
    > have low-end/usage from Verizon will naturally bring Verizon's ARPU
    > down.
    >


    I wasn't talking about ARPU, I was talking about Net Income per Subsciber.
    Verizon has 296% of the Nextel subsciber base, yet their Net Operating
    Income is only 47% higher. So, with three times the subscibers, they only
    make half again as much as Nextel.


    > That still doesn't mean Nextel is more profitable.

    Per subscriber they are- check the financials.

    >
    > I'll be generous lets say Nextel has 16 million subscribers currently
    > thats just less than 50% of Verizon's Customer base. And Again by the
    > law of averages Verizon having more customers will naturally reduce the
    > ARPU.
    >


    Wait a minute- ARPU is going to be based on the price plan of each phone. If
    you're saying that Verizon is going to be less profitable per subscriber as
    they get bigger, won't they reach a point of total unprofitability? Your
    argument makes little sense.
  9. j b

    j b Guest

    Your guys are a trip. What are they called? "Phones". That is what
    they are first, all other features are just that, extra features. There
    are a lot more business owners I know leaving Nextel than switching to.
    Why? There service in general is inferior to Verizen. I have both at
    our company and if I'm out with someone with Nextel it's clear their
    service is inferior. I used to carry one myself but couldn't take it
    any more. i.e. They go red, they lost there connection, they have a
    full signal one sec then their red, they are garbled, and so on....I
    don't have these problems with Verizen. As I business owner I need a
    professional phone service that I can count on. Give Verizen some time
    and they will work it out. I remember my first Nex-to-hell, it had a 3
    second delay on the phone service alone and you could only 2 way people
    in your own company.

    Scott Stephenson <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in article
    <BsOdb.3150$qK1.3223592@news2.news.adelphia.net>:
    > After a full day of watching football, I noticed quite a few Verizon
    > commercials. They were all older commercials, and none of them mentioned
    > PTT. In addition, the PTT advertisement on their hone page was replaced
    > with a camera phone about three days ago. Finally, the advertising in the
    > Sunday paper mentions nothing about PTT (this hasn't been the case for the
    > last few weeks). Have they given up, or does this mean that there might
    > have been some merit in the lawsuit filed by Nextel? With nothing else new
    > to advertise, it seems like an awful lot of money has been sunk into a
    > product that they choose not to advertise. And all of this happening very
    > early in the product lifecycle can not be a good thing.


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  10. In alt.cellular.verizon David Domanski <isocom79@hotmail.com> wrote:

    > Agreeing with yourself?
    >
    > In any case it seems I have to spell things out for you. Verizon PTT
    > service itself isn't 'warmed over'. I was referring to the concept of
    > PTT, or Direct Connect, Walkie-Talkie Phone, 2-way, etc etc.... You are
    > not very bright are you?


    The concept is old? So why did Verizon make such a big deal about it?

    You are not making any sense.

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  11. N9WOS

    N9WOS Guest

    >And if this is indeed the case, doesn't
    > this smell of the Microsoft philosophy of putting a product on the market,
    > getting the money and then fixing it (eventually)?


    (WARNING.. WARNING!)
    (The following post is not intended as a troll.)
    (It is for humor purposes only!)

    Now now now...
    Comparing verizon to Microsoft is a bit harsh on Microsoft.

    The question is what would Microsoft look like if it
    used verizon's strategies.
    ..........................................................
    If the computer crashed, they wouldn't tell
    you that there is a problem with the program
    and they are working on it.

    They will tell you that you should take
    your computer in and have it replaced with
    A "like new" referb.
    ...............................
    They wouldn't try to come out with a new
    fancy computer program to get everyone hooked.

    They, would make a knock off copy of lotus 123
    and push it down people throats, bragging about it's simplicity.
    And it wouldn't actually have instantaneous recalculation,
    It would only take 6 or 7 seconds.
    ...............................
    Instead of the vast pool of share ware, and the development
    tools that Microsoft will just give to anyone to make new programs.

    The only programs you could use on your computer
    would be "Get micro now" apps.
    .............................
    Instead of you knowing which programs are made by
    microsoft and which are not.
    The would just label everything with fogy terms like
    "Extended Microsoft Network".
    ..................................................
  12. John Squire

    John Squire Guest

    Verizon's PTT is not superior to Nextel's, and they will run into
    problems with customers who are used to Nextels speed. For all you
    schmucks talking about camera phones, the i95 can take the T720's camera
    and plug into the bottom of it. Then you can take the pics to your home
    computer, spruce them up and send them via email. Camera phones are not
    how business gets done, which is why Nextel doesn't push them. they are
    a FAD. Service is what it's all about.

    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  13. Matt Van

    Matt Van Guest

    --
    Anyone who thinks camera phones are not worth it is an idiot. In selling
    unique properties, used car brokering, and land, I have a great need for
    a camera phone that I can take a picture of whatever it is I'm trying to
    broker, and either get the client out to where I am based on the
    picture, or have them tell me 'buy it' right then and there. THAT IS how
    business gets done. And if it ain't DONE you don't get PAID. I'll take a
    commission over a lack of one any day. Nextel needs to get their act
    together and get a camera phone.

    3.5 year Nextel user. Close to switching.


    jbsquireii@hotmail.com (John Squire) wrote in article
    <vo0puu5qv8oke4@corp.supernews.com>:
    >
    >
    > Verizon's PTT is not superior to Nextel's, and they will run into
    > problems with customers who are used to Nextels speed. For all you
    > schmucks talking about camera phones, the i95 can take the T720's camera
    > and plug into the bottom of it. Then you can take the pics to your home
    > computer, spruce them up and send them via email. Camera phones are not
    > how business gets done, which is why Nextel doesn't push them. they are
    > a FAD. Service is what it's all about.
    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  14. John Squire wrote:

    > Verizon's PTT is not superior to Nextel's, and they will run into
    > problems with customers who are used to Nextels speed. For all you
    > schmucks talking about camera phones, the i95 can take the T720's camera
    > and plug into the bottom of it. Then you can take the pics to your home
    > computer, spruce them up and send them via email. Camera phones are not
    > how business gets done, which is why Nextel doesn't push them. they are
    > a FAD. Service is what it's all about.
    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]



    And there it is in a nutsack. Whether pic phones are fads or here
    forever, they still have nothing to do with "How business get's
    done". Althought I could possibly see a use in realestate or
    something. Thought the pictures will have to get a lot better than
    they are now.
  15. John Squire

    John Squire Guest

    If you need to take pictures of property, then buy a real digital
    camera. I hate lousy pictures. The phones are not yet up to snuff for
    that! When the quality gets better then you can talk. It just isn't
    there yet.

    > Anyone who thinks camera phones are not worth it is an idiot. In selling
    > unique properties, used car brokering, and land, I have a great need for
    > a camera phone that I can take a picture of whatever it is I'm trying to
    > broker, and either get the client out to where I am based on the
    > picture, or have them tell me 'buy it' right then and there. THAT IS how
    > business gets done. And if it ain't DONE you don't get PAID. I'll take a
    > commission over a lack of one any day. Nextel needs to get their act
    > together and get a camera phone.
    >
    > 3.5 year Nextel user. Close to switching.
    >
    >
    > jbsquireii@hotmail.com (John Squire) wrote in article
    > <vo0puu5qv8oke4@corp.supernews.com>:
    > >
    > >
    > > Verizon's PTT is not superior to Nextel's, and they will run into
    > > problems with customers who are used to Nextels speed. For all you
    > > schmucks talking about camera phones, the i95 can take the T720's camera
    > > and plug into the bottom of it. Then you can take the pics to your home
    > > computer, spruce them up and send them via email. Camera phones are not
    > > how business gets done, which is why Nextel doesn't push them. they are
    > > a FAD. Service is what it's all about.
    > >
    > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  16. Argon15

    Argon15 Guest

    "David Domanski" <isocom79@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:vnfeld21rfhga4@corp.supernews.com...
    >
    > Older commercials are always re-run. Picture phones for Verizon are
    > still quite new and with all the 'kids' going back to school I
    > personally would say its a safe bet as to why PTT service and phones
    > have taken a back seat. More than likely because Verizon feels Camera
    > phones and college and high school students would like those more than
    > the warmed over '2-way' services.
    >
    > To explain in simple terms.....Camera Phones are the 'thing'.
    >
    > Oh, a small side note i read a email that stated in the first quarter
    > 2003 the sale of camera phones has exceeded that of normal digital
    > cameras Industry wide.
    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    Camera phones are gay.
  17. Argon15

    Argon15 Guest


    > I am. I think most people who wanted a walkie-talkie probably use Nextel

    or
    > have those little toy "family radio" walkie-talkies. People who want a
    > full-duplex telephone use VZW and other carriers. Other than Bob the
    > contractor and somebody who wants to have WWII era technology who would

    want
    > a simplex walkie-talkie?


    WWII technology? Being able to talk to someone nationwide, or at least
    where there is coverage, on a 2 way radio is hardly ancient. Maybe if you
    took your head out of your ass, you would see how many people are using
    Nextel nowadays. I see them every where. And no, not just Bob the
    contractor either.
  18. DevilsPGD

    DevilsPGD Guest

    In message <<GKCdnZaRPLm8LhSiRVn-uA@giganews.com>> "Argon15"
    <argon@theplanet.com> did ramble:

    >Camera phones are gay.


    They only get it on with other camera phones?

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    Isaiah Beard wrote:

    > Scott Stephenson wrote:
    >
    >
    >> Yeah- OK. They spent all that money for a product that had a shelf life
    >> of
    >> a month. I don't that even the most diehard Verizon posters are buying
    >> that.

    >
    >
    > For such a strong statement, it looks like your original post was more
    > posturing for an argument than it was a genuine question.
    >
    > If you want my opinion (and if you're a good troll then I *know* you
    > do), Verizon prudently stopped hyping up the PTT feature because of the
    > lawsuits. They already have all the advertising they need, and I'm more
    > than willing to bet that Nextel will gain nothing from their expenditure.
    >
    > Another theory could be that Verizon is waiting to improve on their PTT
    > service before they continue to hype it up. Seems reasonable: fix the
    > weaknesses that the detractors are jabbing at, and then continue the big
    > advertising campaign when all the criticisms are moot.


    You know, I wholeheartedly agree with both scenarios you mentioned. Both
    would provide the most rational and easy to understand explanations.
    Unfortunately, I've been listening to a very lame explanation revolving
    around Camera Phones being the really hot product, and the PTT is not that
    big a deal (warned over service is the term that was used).

    What it comes down to is a lack of ownership by Corporate America to admit
    that they screwed up, or rushed a product to market too soon. And if
    either of the situations you described are the real reason behind this, why
    not admit it? Verizon has made no comment on the lawsuit, and if they need
    to improve the product enough to stop the advertising, is it really worthy
    of peoples' hard earned money? And if this is indeed the case, doesn't
    this smell of the Microsoft philosophy of putting a product on the market,
    getting the money and then fixing it (eventually)?

    As I've said before, biggest is not always best, especially for the consumer
    in many cases. This whole PTT thing is proving to be a classic example of
    that, IMHO.

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