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What's the problem with Nokia?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by K P, Sep 3, 2003.

  1. gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> wrote:

    > Garbage!
    >
    > Yes, the 3285 uses the same excellent RF module as the 5185i (not the
    > 5185/6185 design) and uses and the same battery. The logic module is
    > completely different.


    It's still _mostly_ old packaging and old technology.

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  2. Group Special Mobile <look@signature_to.reply> wrote:

    > As far as not caring about the CDMA market I don't think that's really
    > entirely true. Yes, Nokia has historically made most of their effort
    > in the GSM area, but they are looking into the CDMA market and have
    > set aside a whole area devoted specifically to CDMA development. I
    > believe it's a fair statement that there are other handset
    > manufacturers who do a better job with the CDMA technology than does
    > Nokia. However, I don't think Nokia has "abandoned" CDMA.


    Only because CDMA-based 3G technologies will end up in wide use across
    the globe, and Nokia shoots themselves in the colletive corporate foot
    if they ignore CDMA now. They're only doing it because they have to.

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  3. On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:08:50 -0500, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

    >Group Special Mobile <look@signature_to.reply> wrote:
    >
    >> As far as not caring about the CDMA market I don't think that's really
    >> entirely true. Yes, Nokia has historically made most of their effort
    >> in the GSM area, but they are looking into the CDMA market and have
    >> set aside a whole area devoted specifically to CDMA development. I
    >> believe it's a fair statement that there are other handset
    >> manufacturers who do a better job with the CDMA technology than does
    >> Nokia. However, I don't think Nokia has "abandoned" CDMA.

    >
    >Only because CDMA-based 3G technologies will end up in wide use across
    >the globe, and Nokia shoots themselves in the colletive corporate foot
    >if they ignore CDMA now. They're only doing it because they have to.


    Oh puhleez! What's the damned difference what the *real* motivation
    is? The bottom line is that they're doing it and they're going after
    it. Of course it remains to be seen whether their effort is
    successful. By gum if you don't like Nokia or don't want to use a
    Nokia handset *don't!* It's not as if Nokia is the only manufacturer
    of CDMA terminal equipment. We're really lucky in that we can all
    have our own personal preferences and are not required to get the same
    thing.

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  4. Group Special Mobile <look@signature_to.reply> wrote:

    > Oh puhleez! What's the damned difference what the *real* motivation
    > is? The bottom line is that they're doing it and they're going after
    > it.


    The bottom line is that they're going to do the minimum required to squeeze
    business out of the CDMA market.

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  5. gerry

    gerry Guest

    [original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:07:28 -0500, Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
    wrote:

    >gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> wrote:
    >
    >> Garbage!
    >>
    >> Yes, the 3285 uses the same excellent RF module as the 5185i (not the
    >> 5185/6185 design) and uses and the same battery. The logic module is
    >> completely different.

    >
    >It's still _mostly_ old packaging and old technology.


    Not in the RF section which was the major issue with the "stubby duck" era
    Nokia phones (as in the 5180/5185/6185) is hardly using the "old" stuff.

    Most Nokia bashes are based upon phones Verizon never sold!
    (5180/5185/6185). These old stubby duck CDMA phones did have RF issues.
    The newer design (5185i/3285) does not.

    gerry


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  6. On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 16:55:48 -0500, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

    >Group Special Mobile <look@signature_to.reply> wrote:
    >
    >> Oh puhleez! What's the damned difference what the *real* motivation
    >> is? The bottom line is that they're doing it and they're going after
    >> it.

    >
    >The bottom line is that they're going to do the minimum required to squeeze
    >business out of the CDMA market.


    I still haven't figured out how you are so knowledgeable about what
    Nokia's motives are. Did you go to Helsinki and confer with the
    bigwigs at Nokia and they revealed to you that they're only doing the
    minimum just so that they can "get by?" And what is the problem with
    them "squeezing business" out of the CDMA market? Maybe just maybe
    they think there might be market share to be tapped. Hmmm, wonder why
    they'd want to look into the CDMA market? Just because you don't like
    Nokia and think they should just go back under their rock doesn't mean
    that they will.

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  7. Group Special Mobile <look@signature_to.reply> wrote:

    >>The bottom line is that they're going to do the minimum required to squeeze
    >>business out of the CDMA market.

    >
    > I still haven't figured out how you are so knowledgeable about what
    > Nokia's motives are


    I obviously don't have inside info. I'm making an educated guess.

    > minimum just so that they can "get by?" And what is the problem with
    > them "squeezing business" out of the CDMA market?


    Absolutely nothing is wrong with them trying to expand their business.
    My opinion is that they will do it by offering junk.


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  8. On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:53:09 -0500, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

    >> minimum just so that they can "get by?" And what is the problem with
    >> them "squeezing business" out of the CDMA market?

    >
    >Absolutely nothing is wrong with them trying to expand their business.
    >My opinion is that they will do it by offering junk.


    Well surprise surprise! Why am I not surprised that you think this
    way? You'd save yourself some key strokes by just flat out saying
    that Nokia could never make any equipment that would be up to your
    standard no matter what they did. All I can figure out is that some
    Nokia exec cold shouldered you at one time and you figure you'll never
    forgive the company for the guy's being mean to you.

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  9. DigDah .

    DigDah . Guest

    Thanks Rob. Its refreshing to read an intelligent reply to my insight
    after eons of retarted posts.

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    RobNoopsWLatyahoo.com (Rob Smith) wrote in article
    <vlao6t8m4h6b2d@corp.supernews.com>:
    > No, actually he is right. Nokia's own made CDMA chipsets were very weak
    > in the beginning, the 3285 and 3585 were decent, but still aren't up to
    > the par of reception of the other handsets in the cdma market. Nokia,
    > rather than admit their chipsets are inferior and buying into qualcomm,
    > has opted to cut the vast majority of cdma technology R&D from their
    > budget and focus on areas they excel, gsm especially outside america.
    >
    > X1XX@hotmail.com (CCCC1 1CCCC) wrote in article
    > <vladpa8gp8s384@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > thought the real answer was nokia and other gsm handset makers dont see
    > > much of a martket in cdma. Vzn probably wants big kick backs to carry
    > > nokia's or the sony's or the others. you know the vzn fat cats need to
    > > make even more money
    > >
    > > klichina@hotmail.com (DigDah .) wrote in article
    > > <vlad45dqgtq9bc@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > > Ah the Nokia question again. Sprint and VZW dont offer too many of them
    > > > do they...Y? Nokia makes its own chipset while everybody else uses
    > > > Qualcomm chips. Y does this make a difference....?? Qualcomm designed
    > > > the CDMA technology (Sprint/VZW) Nokia phones just keep experiencing
    > > > problems especially with inexplicable missed calls.
    > > >
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    > > > ~Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder~
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Group Special Mobile <look@signature_to.reply> wrote in article
    > > > <fdv9lv05fso7bikns0e5jvh0ocdga6jgiq@4ax.com>:
    > > > > I keep hearing all these stories about how Nokia's phones don't work
    > > > > well with Verizon, but I've never heard the particulars of what
    > > > > problems there are on the Verizon network with Nokia's. What's the
    > > > > problem?
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    > > > > A. Top posters.
    > > > > Q. What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
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