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Where You Can Take Your Analog

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Real Estate Agent, Oct 27, 2003.

  1. David S wrote:


    >
    > I find it somewhat refreshing -- I'll be 37 in a month, but I work in a
    > high school. I try not to think about the fact that the current seniors
    > were born 2 years after I graduated.
    >
    > I was the first Sesame Street generation. I quit watching it after Mr.
    > Snuffalupagus(sp?) came along but just before anybody besides Big Bird
    > ever saw him.
    >


    I've got a few years on you, but my youngest brother is 38 (about your age).
    I'll NEVER forget Sesame Street, because the damn kid watched it
    religiously every day. I was more of the Underdog, Bullwinkle, Roger
    Ramjet and Superman (the original Superman) kind of kid.



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  2. Scott Stephenson wrote:
    >
    > David S wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > I find it somewhat refreshing -- I'll be 37 in a month, but I work in a
    > > high school. I try not to think about the fact that the current seniors
    > > were born 2 years after I graduated.
    > >
    > > I was the first Sesame Street generation. I quit watching it after Mr.
    > > Snuffalupagus(sp?) came along but just before anybody besides Big Bird
    > > ever saw him.
    > >

    >
    > I've got a few years on you, but my youngest brother is 38 (about your age).
    > I'll NEVER forget Sesame Street, because the damn kid watched it
    > religiously every day. I was more of the Underdog, Bullwinkle, Roger
    > Ramjet and Superman (the original Superman) kind of kid.


    I, too, am of the Underdog, etc. generation. Actually, maybe even earlier.

    While I didn't really appreciate Sesame Street when it first came out,
    today I can't say enough good things about it. Truly, a show for children
    *and* adults!

    Larry
  3. Larry wrote:

    >
    > FCC tells them if you EVER had AMPS service and want to use AMPS
    > again.....they "have to" put your AMPS back on the air......which is
    > how I got mine back on the air.
    >


    Larry, we've been through this before. The FCC has flatly stated that
    no provider is required to activate new analog only service for any
    customer, whether they were former analog only customers or not. It
    would be nice for some of us if they were required, but it's just not
    the case.

    On a related note, have you checked out the page for www.bagphone.com?
    Looks like a graphic you might want to put on the side of your
    vehicle!
  4. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    You are correct! They do not connect NEW AMPS service.....

    But they DO RECONNECT OLD AMPS SERVICE.....

    got it?


    On 30 Oct 2003 22:00:53 -0800, 617@volcanomail.com (J on the phone)
    wrote:

    >Larry wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> FCC tells them if you EVER had AMPS service and want to use AMPS
    >> again.....they "have to" put your AMPS back on the air......which is
    >> how I got mine back on the air.
    >>

    >
    >Larry, we've been through this before. The FCC has flatly stated that
    >no provider is required to activate new analog only service for any
    >customer, whether they were former analog only customers or not. It
    >would be nice for some of us if they were required, but it's just not
    >the case.
    >
    >On a related note, have you checked out the page for www.bagphone.com?
    >Looks like a graphic you might want to put on the side of your
    >vehicle!



    Larry W4CSC

    "Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"
  5. Larry wrote:

    > You are correct! They do not connect NEW AMPS service.....
    >
    > But they DO RECONNECT OLD AMPS SERVICE.....
    >
    > got it?
    >


    You are grasping at straws, again. I will paste the reply posted to
    answer your earlier assertion of this claim. (You never replied to
    this the first time around.) This is an email exchange with Keith
    Harper at the FCC regarding these exact issues.

    -------------------
    Dear Mr. Harper:

    I have some questions regarding cellular service requirements that,
    hopefully, you will be able to clarify for me.

    OET 53 and Section 22.901(d) have been interpreted by some to state
    that cellular band providers must allow new or former analog
    subscribers to purchase analog only service from the provider, at
    least until the sunset of mandatory analog service, which I believe
    to be in February 2008.

    My questions are:

    1. Are cellular band providers required to sell analog only service to
    new subscribers?

    If 1 is yes, no further answers are needed; otherwise:

    2. Are celluar providers required to sell analog only service to
    former analog only customers, regardless of current status, assuming
    no billing/financial issues?

    3. Are cellular providers required to have pricing available for
    analog only
    services? Failing that, must they honor their "digital" price plans
    for any
    analog only customers?

    Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions.
    ************************

    Here is his reply, received this morning.
    ************************

    Good Morning,

    Wireless providers operating in the cellular band are only required to
    provide analog service as part of their wireless system.

    Please note that wireless providers are not required to initiate
    service to a customer who already has an analog phone. They must only
    provide analog service to an existing customer who continues to use an
    analog phone. Generally, you will be required to obtain a new phone
    when switching between carriers.

    1. Cellular band providers are not required to sell analog only
    service to new subscribers.

    2. Cellular providers are not required to sell analog only service to
    former analog only customers, regardless of current status. This
    matter is left to the service provider's discretion.

    3. Service plans are left entirely to the provider's discretion. The
    FCC does not have any rules in place regarding the pricing of service
    plans for analog or digital services. Cellular providers are not
    required to have pricing available for analog only services.

    I hope this clears up some of your questions regarding cellular
    service.

    Keith Harper
    ----------------------

    Please read point number 2 from Mr. Harper. If you believe that it
    does not contradict your claim, please explain. Also, if you still
    wish to argue your point, please cite some support from the FCC for
    that position. But, please don't just requote OET 53 and Section
    22.901(d). Mr. Harper has spoken to those points. Of course, if you
    believe you are more of an authority on FCC regs than the FCC, go
    right ahead..

    GOT IT? Somehow, I doubt it. Your assertion will probably show up in
    another thread, before too long. Wishing for something to be true does
    not make it so. Take it from a Red Sox fan!

    J
  6. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On 31 Oct 2003 22:38:14 -0800, 617@volcanomail.com (J on the phone)
    wrote:

    >
    >2. Cellular providers are not required to sell analog only service to
    >former analog only customers, regardless of current status. This
    >matter is left to the service provider's discretion.


    Hmm...interesting. This statement is new. I've never seen an FCC
    bureaucrat go against the regulation so the regulation must have
    changed. Aren't I lucky to have AMPS service?
    Now, in defense of Mr Harper, his boiler plate letter is pointed
    straight at the new customer who is wondering why his neighbor has
    great-working AMPS service from XYZ Cellular and the company refuses
    to sell him great-working AMPS service, which is also the FCC's fault.

    They don't want to sell new customers AMPS service because the FCC has
    stated many times they just can't turn it off and force all the AMPS
    customers over to the crappy 2-mile shitphones in the glitzy kiddie
    box because the FCC KNOWS that won't work in the country where most of
    the AMPS customers live, creating a firestorm at Senator Foghorn's
    office of irate VOTERS......

    Ok, this troll is over. You got your answer.

    NNNN



    Larry W4CSC

    "Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"
  7. Unfortunately, many of those who need the 3watt muscled signal are
    unable to get it. If my posts implied that I support the blocking of
    that ability, they were not clear. I believe it's a shame that those
    needing better coverage than afforded by hand-helds cannot get that
    coverage, even at a premium price, unless they are lucky or know the
    right people.

    My email was sent to the FCC in hopes that regs did make it necessary
    for cell providers to activate analog service. I was attempting to
    help a friend get activated using a bag phone. I've since been able to
    get it done, but this email certainly didn't help.

    And, yes, I'm also glad I have my analog services.
  8. N9WOS

    N9WOS Guest

    > And, yes, I'm also glad I have my analog services.

    What the analog requirement is mainly targeted to
    is the hearing impaired.

    Some hearing devices are susceptible to RF
    and are useless with a digital phone in it's proximity.

    They don't require the companies to offer analog only
    phones for those people though.
    The fact that a good portion of the cellular phones
    can be forced to analog operation is satisfactory for
    their use by hearing impaired people.

    The lower power that most digital phones run
    didn't really cross the FCC's mind as an issue.
    There is nothing stopping the cell phone manufacturers
    from making a 3Watt CDMA/TDMA/GSM phone for the USA.
    The only reason they don't is...... they just don't.......

    The only issue that moderately crossed the FCC's mind
    is telemetric/telemetry devices.
    Ones that use and analog channel for a dialup TCP/IP connection.
    And the FCC told those operators that there is no reason to force
    the cell companies to keep AMPS support for a few companies,
    and that they should transfer their services to newer
    digital connection systems within the sunset period.
    But, as I have heard on this news group, it's easier said than done.

    So, what we need to do is........
    Get a petition going to try and force the cell phone manufacturers to
    come out with "FULL POWER" CDMA/GSM phones that can be operated
    on present day plans.

    Nokia has two or more 8W GSM phones in the UK area.
    Why can't they offer a 3W version for the little old USA????????
    And an 8W CDMA phone also exist.
    Why can't they offer a 3W version for the little old USA????????

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