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Who is sales.liveperson.net??

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by larry, Jan 28, 2008.

  1. larry

    larry Guest

    Go to the VZW public website and don't login if you have an account.

    Set your browser up so you can watch what it connects to and downloads
    from, including Doubleclick, damn them.

    Browse into the plans, individual plans and pick one. Click the button
    to open the plan and watch what it goes to in the
    tray.....sales.liveperson.net

    Is VZW watching or logging what you do while looking through the sales
    brochure? AS long as you have the webpage open, the browser is
    transferring data from sales.liveperson.net. What are they transferring
    when you're not doing anything but reading it, not clicking?

    They've got lots of scripts to Coremetrics loaded, too:
    <script type="text/javascript"
    src="http://cache.vzw.com/js/shared/coremetrics/v31/eluminate.js">
    </script>
    <script type="text/javascript"
    src="http://cache.vzw.com/js/shared/coremetrics/v31/techprops.js">
    </script>
    <script type="text/javascript"
    src="http://cache.vzw.com/js/shared/coremetrics/cmdatatagutils.inc">
    </script>

    Don'tcha love it when webpage A shares data with company B while you're
    just looking at their spam?

    It also starts davcdata.exe running an IIS server, maybe to coremetrics
    as I see test.coremetrics.com accessing the browser.

    Then, if you just leave it sit, you get a popup window warning you they
    are going to turn off your VZW browsing if you don't "do anything" in 5
    minutes, making me even more suspicious someone is WATCHING what you do
    and what you click. They want to get you offline to stop the data
    flowing uselessly back to their system....obviously.

    Y'all try it....and read the core codes.

    It also keeps a connection to an http port on 130.94.77.118:http that
    has no dns lookup or whois in any database. The trace goes to:
    15 129.250.2.85 62ms 76ms 76ms TTL: 0 (xe-1-
    1.r01.stngva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net ok)
    16 129.250.28.204 84ms 90ms 79ms TTL: 0 (mg-
    1.c20.stngva01.us.da.verio.net probable bogus rDNS: No DNS)
    17 161.58.157.141 122ms 110ms 65ms TTL: 0 (No rDNS)
    where it dies in stng.VA on verio.net.

    If I kill it, lots of internal active ports also closes.

    Keystroke monitoring and recording? Spying on people?

    What does it do?

    It forces Firefox to close if you dump this IP. I've never seen this
    kind of penetration from any other website.



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  2. larry

    larry Guest

    Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
    news:slrnfptbna.rk2.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net:

    > I don't see where the liveperson link is, it doesn't seem to be on the
    > home page, but I can guarantee that on the page that transfers data
    > from sales. liveperson.net, there is a Click-to-Talk-to-VZW button
    > somewhere.
    >
    >


    It's not on the homepage. I saw it connect to some strange IP none of the
    DNS servers can make into either a Whois or name server with TCPView. I
    forced a disconnect and it reconnected. The livepersons must be watching
    what you're doing and at a certain point in the ordering sequence, they
    popup a chat window.

    It's creepy....
  3. larry

    larry Guest

    Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
    news:slrnfptbna.rk2.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net:

    > What personally identifiable data do you think they are collecting?
    > Note that I said PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE. Anyone can get your IP
    > address, HTTP User-Agent string (which tells which browser and OS you
    > use), and several other basic pieces of data with no effort at all.
    > None of those pieces of data identifies you as Larry. Now, if you are
    > logged into a website using a username and password, that's different,
    > but you probably had to give them information in the first place, to
    > gain the ability to log in.
    >
    >


    My computer belongs to the ficticious Melvin Schultz, an old joke name
    we hams used to use on old POTS long distance, person-to-person collect,
    to alert our buddies far away to get on 3.903 Mhz LSB, our little
    group's 75 meter SSB frequency...without paying for the call because
    Melvin was never home to receive it collect.

    Melvin has phoney credit card numbers, bank account numbers, his own
    phoney SSN and SC drivers license numbers, even two car tags....all
    neatly arranged for the scammers into Outlook Express I don't use,
    except for baiting. Melvin's yearly income is around $148K, so he gets
    great service from everyone! I've spread his phoney identity around the
    net for 20 years. Check his credit rating on Equifax! He's AAA+! He
    has no debts and always pays his bills.

    They can have all of Melvin's identity they like. I'm not on the system
    at all. Melvin also has usernames and passwords in lots of places so
    the bots can't miss his identity to steal. I've never seen him on the
    long list of most wanted posters in the Post Office, though. He DOES
    get about 12 really good, pre-approved credit card offers a month, but I
    just trash those. No WONDER the financial institutions are in trouble
    giving credit cards with LARGE credit limits out to ficticious people.

    Oh, and he gets lots of PORN SPAM.....It's disgusting! Melvin's a
    Baptist Preacher by trade! What would they think?!

    ------------------------------------------------

    No, what upsets me from this scammer is they are following me around the
    website just looking at the product. Just like in Circuit City, noone
    likes to be trailed around by some salesman running his mouth.....
  4. Steve Sobol

    Steve Sobol Guest

    On 2008-01-29, larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

    > It's not on the homepage. I saw it connect to some strange IP none of the
    > DNS servers can make into either a Whois or name server with TCPView. I
    > forced a disconnect and it reconnected. The livepersons must be watching
    > what you're doing and at a certain point in the ordering sequence, they
    > popup a chat window.
    >
    > It's creepy....


    Well, although I do think you have the tinfoil hat on too often, there isn't
    anything wrong with being cautious. Better to be too cautious than too
    careless, for sure, especially these days when there ARE plenty of people
    trying to steal your private info for various reasons.

    And, for what it's worth, I suspect that it's exactly as you describe: at
    some point you get to a web page that uses Liveperson's services. And if
    you're not familiar with the service or the company, I can understand why
    you'd get a little worried.


    --
    Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com
    Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol
  5. Steve Sobol

    Steve Sobol Guest

    On 2008-01-29, larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

    > Melvin has phoney credit card numbers, bank account numbers, his own
    > phoney SSN and SC drivers license numbers,


    It's probably pretty easy to cook up an obviously phony driver's license
    number; most states follow a predictable pattern. But are you absolutely
    sure the SSN doesn't belong to someone?

    > get about 12 really good, pre-approved credit card offers a month, but I
    > just trash those. No WONDER the financial institutions are in trouble
    > giving credit cards with LARGE credit limits out to ficticious people.


    Well, aside from the fact that pre-approval isn't a guarantee of credit, yeah,
    I think it's stupid. My 12-year-old son just received his first credit card
    offer. Woohoo!

    I still tell the story of an identity theft that wasn't, back in 1998. I
    lived in Ohio, and back then the SSN's were still, very stupidly, printed
    right on the driver's licenses; a few years later they were made optional, and
    I think they've finally Found Clue(tm) and stopped putting them on altogether.

    Anyhow, I lost my wallet, and someone drove out to Chicago and started
    applying for instant credit at a bunch of department stores. In my name, of
    course, using my SSN and driver's license.

    The big clue was the letter from Carson Pirie Scott, a Chicago-based
    department store. The only store they've EVER had in Ohio was in Toledo,
    two hours west of Cleveland, where I lived. And the only reason I'd even
    HEARD of Carson Pirie Scott was because many years ago, my father was one of
    their suppliers.

    The joke was on the thief, though. My credit SUCKED in 1998, and let me tell
    you, I was NEVER as happy to have bad credit as I was that summer! (If it
    happened now, I'd be screwed...)

    After three applications, the loser gave up. But the fact that the department
    store drones didn't even check my picture against the guy's face bothers me.

    > No, what upsets me from this scammer is they are following me around the
    > website just looking at the product. Just like in Circuit City, noone
    > likes to be trailed around by some salesman running his mouth.....


    So don't go to the VZW website. I don't. :)


    --
    Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com
    Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol
  6. DTC

    DTC Guest

    larry wrote:
    > It's not on the homepage. I saw it connect to some strange IP none of the
    > DNS servers can make into either a Whois or name server with TCPView. I
    > forced a disconnect and it reconnected. The livepersons must be watching
    > what you're doing and at a certain point in the ordering sequence, they
    > popup a chat window.
    >
    > It's creepy....


    Sprint does the same thing. On two occasions I was looking at plans
    on their web page and a chat window popped up...and I *KNOW* I
    didn't click on anything to initiate a chat at MY end.
  7. larry

    larry Guest

    Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
    news:slrnfptj8m.fcv.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net:

    > The joke was on the thief, though. My credit SUCKED in 1998, and let
    > me tell you, I was NEVER as happy to have bad credit as I was that
    > summer! (If it happened now, I'd be screwed...)
    >


    I love it when some company or other threatens my "credit rating". My
    credit has been spotless since I was 18...er, ah....1964...(c; That has
    good points and bad points.

    Yamaha Motors and their bogus Yamaha Credit Card, which is really a
    revolving credit scam from Household Retail Services, old Household
    Finance, said that if I didn't pay them for the defective 1997 Yamaha
    GP1200 Waverunner PWC I returned to their dealer, who couldn't fix it,
    under Magnusson-Moss Warranty Protection Act (15USC50 section 2300), they
    were going to ruin my credit.

    My lawyer disagreed, of course, and we did everything we could to get the
    bastards to trash me. He wanted a new house on the beach and I had my eye
    on a new Mercedes S class sedan. We had their ass and they knew it. The
    ski disappeared after we told the tax bureaucrats we returned it, and my
    credit card pre-approval apps increased unabated.

    I haven't had a debt since 1991 when my wife left me. She thought,
    wrongly, all credit cards should be at their limits, the American way. I
    pay them off before any charges. Chase Bank insisted I take a Chase credit
    card after checking me out from an online Amazon credit card I let them
    send for a discount on the N800. Chase wanted to cut Amazon out of the
    loop, so wanted me to stop using my Bank of America Quantum card I've had
    for 20 years and start using a Chase Business Card with my little
    electronics company logo on it and 3% cashback on all purchases. They
    started me with a $75K line of credit, but soon raised it to $100K after
    only a month, for what reason remains a mystery. Where would you like to
    go on the planet, tomorrow...(c; Chase thinks I'm a Micro$oft...(c;

    If I cared what my credit score was, I'd worry. I don't care and haven't
    since 1991. The feeling is wonderful....I can live quite comfortably
    without debt on lots less money and worry.
  8. larry

    larry Guest

    The Ghost of General Lee <ghost@general.lee> wrote in
    news:5fjtp35lcvfosumamuq1hn890m6n9qfpmt@4ax.com:

    > On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 06:52:19 +0000 (UTC), Steve Sobol
    > <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
    >
    >>On 2008-01-29, larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Melvin has phoney credit card numbers, bank account numbers, his own
    >>> phoney SSN and SC drivers license numbers,

    >>
    >>It's probably pretty easy to cook up an obviously phony driver's

    license
    >>number; most states follow a predictable pattern.

    >
    > SC issues their numbers in sequential order of application. Presuming
    > Larry got his earlier than 1980, I'd guess his number is < 008100000.
    > So unless he's using a very high number, chances are he's using a
    > valid number that has been assigned to someone. If not, he's using a
    > number that will someday be assigned to someone.
    >
    >>But are you absolutely
    >>sure the SSN doesn't belong to someone?

    >
    > If he uses one that passes the validation test, then again, he's using
    > one that either has been assigned to someone or likely will be
    > assigned to someone.
    >
    >


    Ok, let's get something straight. I'm not USING any numbers. Those
    numbers exist only in my computer registry and are never transmitted to
    anyone for any purpose. My SC drivers license number only has 7
    significant digits from 1966. My number is lots older than 008, it's
    0031

    Oh, you guys should see a drivers license from SC before WW2! It was a
    METAL TAG hand stanped out with only a number on it! I found one in a
    thrift shop for $1 and they didn't know what it was until I told 'em.
    Way cool. This one's dated 1936!

    Melvin's SC drivers license number starts with 0000 and is very old. I
    bet he's DEAD! To put your minds at ease about his SSN, he has my
    mother's SSN. She died in my arms in 1999 of Parkinson's Disease and
    could care less.

    Oh, Melvin also has an old 1966 Navy serial number one number off mine.
    It belonged to a buddy I went to boot camp with. He died in Vietnam in
    a river boat firefight in the Mekong Delta. He's not coming back,
    either.
  9. Steve Sobol

    Steve Sobol Guest

    On 2008-01-30, larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

    >> The joke was on the thief, though. My credit SUCKED in 1998, and let
    >> me tell you, I was NEVER as happy to have bad credit as I was that
    >> summer! (If it happened now, I'd be screwed...)
    >>

    >
    > I love it when some company or other threatens my "credit rating". My
    > credit has been spotless since I was 18...er, ah....1964...(c; That has
    > good points and bad points.


    Definitely a double-edged sword. The good points are obvious. The bad
    points, perhaps not so much. There is the identity-theft angle... lots
    more at stake when you're up near 750 or 800 than when you're around
    400 or 500. Then, you also have to keep a very close eye on your bills
    and make sure the banks, etc. don't screw up your accounts. (What?
    Yes, I know. Banks are perfect. Sorry I said anything. :>)



    --
    Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com
    Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol

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