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#777 faster than dialing ISP???

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by coyotefred, May 14, 2004.

  1. coyotefred

    coyotefred Guest

    Has anyone ever had better luck (ie higher connection speed) using a
    dialup connection to their normal ISP for internet access rather than
    using #777? I remember reading a post elsewhere that the speed using
    #777 is going to be around 14.4kbps, which would also be the maximum
    one could expect dialing another ISP... ???

    Also, does anyone have any "tips" for speeding up web browsing when
    suffering under the slow connection speed of #777? Obviously shutting
    off the "display pictures" within your browser preferences helps...
    Anything else people have tried (e.g. 3rd party software claiming to
    speed up connections, etc.)???

    Thanks!
    coyotefred
     



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  2. JimF

    JimF Guest

    coyotefred wrote:
    > Has anyone ever had better luck (ie higher connection speed) using a
    > dialup connection to their normal ISP for internet access rather than
    > using #777? I remember reading a post elsewhere that the speed using
    > #777 is going to be around 14.4kbps, which would also be the maximum
    > one could expect dialing another ISP... ???
    >
    > Also, does anyone have any "tips" for speeding up web browsing when
    > suffering under the slow connection speed of #777? Obviously shutting
    > off the "display pictures" within your browser preferences helps...
    > Anything else people have tried (e.g. 3rd party software claiming to
    > speed up connections, etc.)???
    >
    > Thanks!
    > coyotefred

    The speed is limited to 14.4kbps whether you dial into your own ISP or not.
    You can use Venturi compression software to speed things up on the QNC
    service from Verizon (the #777 number). I have used the "CDPD Service"
    version of Venturi OK, and it is a little easier to set up than the
    NationalAccess version (even though I have NA).
    http://www.fourelle.com/tech_support/VerizonWireless.html
    However, sometimes Venturi can slow things down if their server is heavily
    loaded, so do some tests with and without it.

    If you have NationalAccess, you can also get faster service, typically 60 to
    80kbps. But the drivers that need to be loaded are different for the
    different brands of cell phones, so I can't give you a general answer.
    Also, the login and password information are different (but you still use
    the #777 number). You can get the info you need from:
    http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=154306
    It is a very long thread, but only a couple of the pages are really
    relevant.
     
  3. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    "coyotefred" <coyotefred@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:b8883a35.0405140834.1980df6@posting.google.com
    > Has anyone ever had better luck (ie higher connection speed) using a
    > dialup connection to their normal ISP for internet access rather than
    > using #777? I remember reading a post elsewhere that the speed using
    > #777 is going to be around 14.4kbps, which would also be the maximum
    > one could expect dialing another ISP... ???
    >
    > Also, does anyone have any "tips" for speeding up web browsing when
    > suffering under the slow connection speed of #777? Obviously shutting
    > off the "display pictures" within your browser preferences helps...
    > Anything else people have tried (e.g. 3rd party software claiming to
    > speed up connections, etc.)???
    >
    > Thanks!
    > coyotefred


    I use NationalAccess Minutes of Use (and #777), and since the connects are
    usually around 80-90K, much faster than dial-up, and also much faster than
    what you remember from that post (about 10 times), there is no way it isn't
    faster than QWK2NET. However, without getting into a thread about QWK2NET
    Versus 1X, there are two or three major benefits to dialing #777 no matter
    what you have.
    #1 It is much faster for phones to dial and connect to a system by the #777
    (usually takes less than a second) rather than dialing direct.
    #2 If you travel (like I do, with my laptop and cellphone), there is no need
    to create a new dial-up for every new city you are in. You can create one
    Entry with the #777 that can be used almost anywhere
    #3 Your chance of getting a good connection by calling #777 and connecting
    direct to the local system is much greater than calling long
    distance/dealing with modems. (ever call voice long distance and get
    delays/dropouts/duplicates etc?, that will screw up modems big time).

    There is one caveat to this, While #777 always works in a native verizon
    area, it doesn't always in extended areas, and even less in roaming areas. I
    suggest to people that they have one dial-up entry for #777, and another for
    the actual number of the ISP. If you have NA/Express/1X then another
    connection calling #777 but at high speed, is very useful too.

    As for tips on speeding up browsing, yes, there are many tips, unfortunately
    the easiest and most effective (using NA/1X rather than QWK2NET) will get a
    lot of flack, and if you call 50 verizon CS people, you will probably get 50
    different answers on whether it is free or not. All I can say for sure is
    that *I* pay nothing extra, have been using it for over a year, have never
    been charged and never had it cut off. <sarcasm on>I'm sure that personal
    experience of thousands of people that use it/and have been using it free,
    don't hold a candle to the naysayers/negative people that claim you can't do
    it.<sarcasm off>
    You can use Venturi to compress and speed things up, but again you will find
    some people that love it, and others that claim it is the worst POS that was
    ever put out. I have it installed, and you can create a list of what
    websites not to use it on, and can also click on the icon and change it from
    "auto" to "off" to turn it off on the fly.
    Depending on your ISP (I use earthlink), while they may have compression
    software for dial-up (it is for LESS THAN 56K ONLY!), if you use the high
    speed NA/Express/1X, it will **NOT** work, (many shut off if the speed is
    greater than 56K, thinking it is high speed).
    Lets see, you can use the software compression with QWK2NET and get up to 5X
    the speed, or you can investigate 1X and get up to 10X the speed.
     
  4. JT

    JT Guest

    "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:2gkpjaF3vncfU1@uni-berlin.de...
    > "coyotefred" <coyotefred@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:b8883a35.0405140834.1980df6@posting.google.com
    > > Has anyone ever had better luck (ie higher connection speed) using a
    > > dialup connection to their normal ISP for internet access rather than
    > > using #777? I remember reading a post elsewhere that the speed using
    > > #777 is going to be around 14.4kbps, which would also be the maximum
    > > one could expect dialing another ISP... ???
    > >
    > > Also, does anyone have any "tips" for speeding up web browsing when
    > > suffering under the slow connection speed of #777? Obviously shutting
    > > off the "display pictures" within your browser preferences helps...
    > > Anything else people have tried (e.g. 3rd party software claiming to
    > > speed up connections, etc.)???
    > >
    > > Thanks!
    > > coyotefred

    >
    > I use NationalAccess Minutes of Use (and #777), and since the connects are
    > usually around 80-90K, much faster than dial-up, and also much faster than
    > what you remember from that post (about 10 times), there is no way it

    isn't
    > faster than QWK2NET. However, without getting into a thread about QWK2NET
    > Versus 1X, there are two or three major benefits to dialing #777 no matter
    > what you have.
    > #1 It is much faster for phones to dial and connect to a system by the

    #777
    > (usually takes less than a second) rather than dialing direct.
    > #2 If you travel (like I do, with my laptop and cellphone), there is no

    need
    > to create a new dial-up for every new city you are in. You can create one
    > Entry with the #777 that can be used almost anywhere
    > #3 Your chance of getting a good connection by calling #777 and connecting
    > direct to the local system is much greater than calling long
    > distance/dealing with modems. (ever call voice long distance and get
    > delays/dropouts/duplicates etc?, that will screw up modems big time).
    >
    > There is one caveat to this, While #777 always works in a native verizon
    > area, it doesn't always in extended areas, and even less in roaming areas.

    I
    > suggest to people that they have one dial-up entry for #777, and another

    for
    > the actual number of the ISP. If you have NA/Express/1X then another
    > connection calling #777 but at high speed, is very useful too.
    >
    > As for tips on speeding up browsing, yes, there are many tips,

    unfortunately
    > the easiest and most effective (using NA/1X rather than QWK2NET) will get

    a
    > lot of flack, and if you call 50 verizon CS people, you will probably get

    50
    > different answers on whether it is free or not. All I can say for sure is
    > that *I* pay nothing extra, have been using it for over a year, have never
    > been charged and never had it cut off. <sarcasm on>I'm sure that personal
    > experience of thousands of people that use it/and have been using it free,
    > don't hold a candle to the naysayers/negative people that claim you can't

    do
    > it.<sarcasm off>
    > You can use Venturi to compress and speed things up, but again you will

    find
    > some people that love it, and others that claim it is the worst POS that

    was
    > ever put out. I have it installed, and you can create a list of what
    > websites not to use it on, and can also click on the icon and change it

    from
    > "auto" to "off" to turn it off on the fly.
    > Depending on your ISP (I use earthlink), while they may have compression
    > software for dial-up (it is for LESS THAN 56K ONLY!), if you use the high
    > speed NA/Express/1X, it will **NOT** work, (many shut off if the speed is
    > greater than 56K, thinking it is high speed).
    > Lets see, you can use the software compression with QWK2NET and get up to

    5X
    > the speed, or you can investigate 1X and get up to 10X the speed.



    Hello Peter Pan,

    I recently posted a reply to Bob Giddings on RORT, which I have noted you
    are active on, concerning my experience in trying to get NA-MOU for travel
    internet access. In short, instead of the American Choice $39.99, 400
    minutes plan I wanted, when the agent entered MOU as an option, the computer
    came up with a $79.99 plan. I nixed that and am still with my cheap AT&T
    voice plan.

    Is the higher speed which you mention (up to 120 Kb) still available at the
    $40 rate or must one go to the pricier data plans? Thank you for any
    guidance.

    JT Kirby

    --
    Messages sent to this address are automatically deleted without being
    opened. Legitimate email may be sent to the following address after
    removing the spaces, the "m's" and fixing the obvious: jteffiem at earthlink
    dot net
     
  5. coyotefred

    coyotefred Guest

    I should have mentioned that I am on Alltel rather than Verizon; I
    #posted here because it is my understanding that the #777 business
    works basically the same for both carriers. Unfortunately my location
    in northwest Nebraska is outside Verizon's NationalAccess network, or
    I would have gone with them rather than Alltel. The Venturi software
    sounded interesting, but from reading a little about it, it sounds
    like it had to be used by both you and the provider (ie it wasn't
    something I could download and benefit from if Alltel wasn't using it
    on the other end, which I don't believe it is).

    > I use NationalAccess Minutes of Use (and #777), and since the connects are
    > usually around 80-90K, much faster than dial-up, and also much faster than
    > what you remember from that post (about 10 times), there is no way it isn't
    > faster than QWK2NET. However, without getting into a thread about QWK2NET
    > Versus 1X, there are two or three major benefits to dialing #777 no matter
    > what you have.


    [snip]
     
  6. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    "JT" <afn17434@afn.org> wrote in message
    news:2glhgaF476o2U1@uni-berlin.de
    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:2gkpjaF3vncfU1@uni-berlin.de...
    >> "coyotefred" <coyotefred@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:b8883a35.0405140834.1980df6@posting.google.com
    >>> Has anyone ever had better luck (ie higher connection speed) using a
    >>> dialup connection to their normal ISP for internet access rather
    >>> than using #777? I remember reading a post elsewhere that the
    >>> speed using #777 is going to be around 14.4kbps, which would also
    >>> be the maximum one could expect dialing another ISP... ???
    >>>
    >>> Also, does anyone have any "tips" for speeding up web browsing when
    >>> suffering under the slow connection speed of #777? Obviously
    >>> shutting off the "display pictures" within your browser preferences
    >>> helps... Anything else people have tried (e.g. 3rd party software
    >>> claiming to speed up connections, etc.)???
    >>>
    >>> Thanks!
    >>> coyotefred

    >>
    >> I use NationalAccess Minutes of Use (and #777), and since the
    >> connects are usually around 80-90K, much faster than dial-up, and
    >> also much faster than what you remember from that post (about 10
    >> times), there is no way it isn't faster than QWK2NET. However,
    >> without getting into a thread about QWK2NET Versus 1X, there are two
    >> or three major benefits to dialing #777 no matter what you have.
    >> #1 It is much faster for phones to dial and connect to a system by
    >> the #777 (usually takes less than a second) rather than dialing
    >> direct. #2 If you travel (like I do, with my laptop and cellphone),
    >> there is no need to create a new dial-up for every new city you are
    >> in. You can create one Entry with the #777 that can be used almost
    >> anywhere #3 Your chance of getting a good connection by calling #777
    >> and connecting direct to the local system is much greater than
    >> calling long distance/dealing with modems. (ever call voice long
    >> distance and get delays/dropouts/duplicates etc?, that will screw up
    >> modems big time).
    >>
    >> There is one caveat to this, While #777 always works in a native
    >> verizon area, it doesn't always in extended areas, and even less in
    >> roaming areas. I suggest to people that they have one dial-up entry
    >> for #777, and another for the actual number of the ISP. If you have
    >> NA/Express/1X then another connection calling #777 but at high
    >> speed, is very useful too.
    >>
    >> As for tips on speeding up browsing, yes, there are many tips,
    >> unfortunately the easiest and most effective (using NA/1X rather
    >> than QWK2NET) will get a lot of flack, and if you call 50 verizon CS
    >> people, you will probably get 50 different answers on whether it is
    >> free or not. All I can say for sure is that *I* pay nothing extra,
    >> have been using it for over a year, have never been charged and
    >> never had it cut off. <sarcasm on>I'm sure that personal experience
    >> of thousands of people that use it/and have been using it free,
    >> don't hold a candle to the naysayers/negative people that claim you
    >> can't do it.<sarcasm off>
    >> You can use Venturi to compress and speed things up, but again you
    >> will find some people that love it, and others that claim it is the
    >> worst POS that was ever put out. I have it installed, and you can
    >> create a list of what websites not to use it on, and can also click
    >> on the icon and change it from "auto" to "off" to turn it off on the
    >> fly.
    >> Depending on your ISP (I use earthlink), while they may have
    >> compression software for dial-up (it is for LESS THAN 56K ONLY!), if
    >> you use the high speed NA/Express/1X, it will **NOT** work, (many
    >> shut off if the speed is greater than 56K, thinking it is high
    >> speed).
    >> Lets see, you can use the software compression with QWK2NET and get
    >> up to 5X the speed, or you can investigate 1X and get up to 10X the
    >> speed.

    >
    >
    > Hello Peter Pan,
    >
    > I recently posted a reply to Bob Giddings on RORT, which I have noted
    > you are active on, concerning my experience in trying to get NA-MOU
    > for travel internet access. In short, instead of the American Choice
    > $39.99, 400 minutes plan I wanted, when the agent entered MOU as an
    > option, the computer came up with a $79.99 plan. I nixed that and am
    > still with my cheap AT&T voice plan.
    >
    > Is the higher speed which you mention (up to 120 Kb) still available
    > at the $40 rate or must one go to the pricier data plans? Thank you
    > for any guidance.
    >
    > JT Kirby


    Yup, I'm on RORT, have been fulltiming in my RV for many years, thats why
    any mobile internet stuff appeals to me since I use it all the time.

    There is no ***PLAN*** that does what you want, it is an ****OPTION****
    (like call waiting etc) to a current plan. I see you didn't mention where
    you are (like state, or at least which coast). The problem most people have
    are with the uninformed agents/cs people/etc. It took several years before
    the information was even disseminated to a few people on the east coast, and
    it is rather new, and even less known on the west coast.

    Additionally, you may not even be able to get the option, depending on where
    you live. For instance, there are native verizon areas (have full 1x
    compatibility and MOU can be added), there are extended network areas (voice
    is free by agreements, but some are and some are not 1X, so if you live in
    an extended network area, that option may not be available at all with your
    billing address), if a roaming area, while verizon will eat the roaming
    costs for someone on a plan, there is no way they will add data when it will
    cost them big time), and some roaming is only Analog, which doesn't support
    the 1X stuff at all.
    There is a difference between AC and NA (National Access, used to be
    express, but both are 1X and 1X is easier to type). If you go to the verizon
    website, there are different maps, one for AC voice services, and another
    for NA data service. You must be in the Data service area to even get it.

    If you want to pursue it, first, people need to know where you are located,
    to see if service is even available in your area (zip code).

    Second, you have to be willing to be persistent. If you ask 50 people to add
    that **OPTION** to your current plan, you will probably be told NO 49 times
    before you finally get the 50th person that says yes.

    not sure what comes after the first two, since those have to be done before
    #3 is even thought about.

    Data plans... Again, I'm not sure where you live, but using different zip
    codes, I get different prices.
    ZIP 83814 $55
    NationalAccess
    Use the wireless Internet for hours at a time.

    Browse the Internet, access email at speeds up to 144 kbps.
    Offers monthly airtime allowance for both Internet access and domestic
    calls.
    No long distance or roaming charges.
    $55.00

    ZIP 34677 $75
    NationalAccess
    Use the wireless Internet for hours at a time.

    Browse the Internet, access email at speeds up to 144 kbps.
    Offers monthly airtime allowance for both Internet access and domestic
    calls.
    No long distance or roaming charges.
    $75.00
    ===================================================
    There is a Featured Plan for $79, that may be what the person suggested.
    Different phones/accessories etc are also available by different zip codes.
    Since I travel full time, I found what I wanted, and used an uncles
    house/mailing address set up auto-pay etc.

    Have you even looked at your plan online or on your paper bill yet? You may
    already HAVE it! Many people do and don't even know it. Look for a section
    called "Active Additional Services", and see if NationalAccess is listed as
    a service
    Example (a text conversion of part of my bill):
    Item Description
    Current
    calling plan: America's Choice 400 Peak Unl N&W 1000 Mtm $39.99 2y 0902
    Monthly charge $39.99
    Monthly allowance minutes 400 general
    Additional per minute charge $.45 peak, $.45 off-peak

    Promotional Details:
    Current: Beginning on 08/20/03: Unlimited night & weekend minute
    allowance per month - 2yr contract

    Enhanced Services:
    Call Delivery , Voice Mail, IQ Service Package, CDMA Digital W/TXT
    Msg, CallerID, Message Waiting Ind, New Every Two, Streamline
    Billing, Nat IN-Network -1000 Mins, Mobile Web - 0 Alerts, National
    Access
    Nat IN-Network -1000 Mins
    Monthly allowance 1000 general
    Additional per minute $.45 peak, $.45 off-peak
    ============================
    Notice the National Access under Enchanced Services.
    Look on your bill and see if you have it already.
    I cut and pasted a chunk of my bill to also show the plan, which is:
    America's Choice 400 Peak Unl N&W 1000 Mtm $39.99
    Same as what you said yours was.

    Obviously it's there, and it works. Just for fun, here is a paste from call
    detail:
    04/10 12:26AM O 17 Las Vega/B NV (777)000-0001 Data CL YU Included .00
    ..00
    Notice it was a data call, placed from Las Vegas (thats where I am now :),
    and I happened to make it late at night (12:26 AM), so it went in my
    unlimited free nights and weekend bucket (IE it was a free call).

    Sorry for making this so long, but In my opinion, it is worth
    pursuing/investigating if you need/want higher speed access.
     
  7. Don

    Don Guest

    > Hello Peter Pan,
    >
    > I recently posted a reply to Bob Giddings on RORT, which I have noted you
    > are active on, concerning my experience in trying to get NA-MOU for travel
    > internet access. In short, instead of the American Choice $39.99, 400
    > minutes plan I wanted, when the agent entered MOU as an option, the computer
    > came up with a $79.99 plan. I nixed that and am still with my cheap AT&T
    > voice plan.
    >
    > Is the higher speed which you mention (up to 120 Kb) still available at the
    > $40 rate or must one go to the pricier data plans? Thank you for any
    > guidance.
    >
    > JT Kirby


    I'm not Peter Pan but I have had a 300 minute America's Choice Plan for
    $34.99 for over a year now and have NA-MOU that I use when traveling
    with my laptop. I didn't have to call anyone, it was just there and
    listed on my sales agreement when I signed up for Verizon service. I
    signed up in Tracy, Calif. I don't believe that anyone with an
    America's Choice Plan has to call to get NA-MOU. Just get a Mobile
    Office Kit, cheaper off e-bay than Verizon, and use the software and
    cable to use this free service.

    Don in Tracy, Calif.
     
  8. JT

    JT Guest

    "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:2glmtbF44adkU1@uni-berlin.de...
    > "JT" <afn17434@afn.org> wrote in message
    > news:2glhgaF476o2U1@uni-berlin.de
    > > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > news:2gkpjaF3vncfU1@uni-berlin.de...
    > >> "coyotefred" <coyotefred@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:b8883a35.0405140834.1980df6@posting.google.com
    > >>> Has anyone ever had better luck (ie higher connection speed) using a
    > >>> dialup connection to their normal ISP for internet access rather
    > >>> than using #777? I remember reading a post elsewhere that the
    > >>> speed using #777 is going to be around 14.4kbps, which would also
    > >>> be the maximum one could expect dialing another ISP... ???
    > >>>
    > >>> Also, does anyone have any "tips" for speeding up web browsing when
    > >>> suffering under the slow connection speed of #777? Obviously
    > >>> shutting off the "display pictures" within your browser preferences
    > >>> helps... Anything else people have tried (e.g. 3rd party software
    > >>> claiming to speed up connections, etc.)???
    > >>>
    > >>> Thanks!
    > >>> coyotefred
    > >>
    > >> I use NationalAccess Minutes of Use (and #777), and since the
    > >> connects are usually around 80-90K, much faster than dial-up, and
    > >> also much faster than what you remember from that post (about 10
    > >> times), there is no way it isn't faster than QWK2NET. However,
    > >> without getting into a thread about QWK2NET Versus 1X, there are two
    > >> or three major benefits to dialing #777 no matter what you have.
    > >> #1 It is much faster for phones to dial and connect to a system by
    > >> the #777 (usually takes less than a second) rather than dialing
    > >> direct. #2 If you travel (like I do, with my laptop and cellphone),
    > >> there is no need to create a new dial-up for every new city you are
    > >> in. You can create one Entry with the #777 that can be used almost
    > >> anywhere #3 Your chance of getting a good connection by calling #777
    > >> and connecting direct to the local system is much greater than
    > >> calling long distance/dealing with modems. (ever call voice long
    > >> distance and get delays/dropouts/duplicates etc?, that will screw up
    > >> modems big time).
    > >>
    > >> There is one caveat to this, While #777 always works in a native
    > >> verizon area, it doesn't always in extended areas, and even less in
    > >> roaming areas. I suggest to people that they have one dial-up entry
    > >> for #777, and another for the actual number of the ISP. If you have
    > >> NA/Express/1X then another connection calling #777 but at high
    > >> speed, is very useful too.
    > >>
    > >> As for tips on speeding up browsing, yes, there are many tips,
    > >> unfortunately the easiest and most effective (using NA/1X rather
    > >> than QWK2NET) will get a lot of flack, and if you call 50 verizon CS
    > >> people, you will probably get 50 different answers on whether it is
    > >> free or not. All I can say for sure is that *I* pay nothing extra,
    > >> have been using it for over a year, have never been charged and
    > >> never had it cut off. <sarcasm on>I'm sure that personal experience
    > >> of thousands of people that use it/and have been using it free,
    > >> don't hold a candle to the naysayers/negative people that claim you
    > >> can't do it.<sarcasm off>
    > >> You can use Venturi to compress and speed things up, but again you
    > >> will find some people that love it, and others that claim it is the
    > >> worst POS that was ever put out. I have it installed, and you can
    > >> create a list of what websites not to use it on, and can also click
    > >> on the icon and change it from "auto" to "off" to turn it off on the
    > >> fly.
    > >> Depending on your ISP (I use earthlink), while they may have
    > >> compression software for dial-up (it is for LESS THAN 56K ONLY!), if
    > >> you use the high speed NA/Express/1X, it will **NOT** work, (many
    > >> shut off if the speed is greater than 56K, thinking it is high
    > >> speed).
    > >> Lets see, you can use the software compression with QWK2NET and get
    > >> up to 5X the speed, or you can investigate 1X and get up to 10X the
    > >> speed.

    > >
    > >
    > > Hello Peter Pan,
    > >
    > > I recently posted a reply to Bob Giddings on RORT, which I have noted
    > > you are active on, concerning my experience in trying to get NA-MOU
    > > for travel internet access. In short, instead of the American Choice
    > > $39.99, 400 minutes plan I wanted, when the agent entered MOU as an
    > > option, the computer came up with a $79.99 plan. I nixed that and am
    > > still with my cheap AT&T voice plan.
    > >
    > > Is the higher speed which you mention (up to 120 Kb) still available
    > > at the $40 rate or must one go to the pricier data plans? Thank you
    > > for any guidance.
    > >
    > > JT Kirby

    >
    > Yup, I'm on RORT, have been fulltiming in my RV for many years, thats why
    > any mobile internet stuff appeals to me since I use it all the time.


    I'm not a full timer but do travel (RV) extensively.

    >
    > There is no ***PLAN*** that does what you want, it is an ****OPTION****
    > (like call waiting etc) to a current plan. I see you didn't mention where
    > you are (like state, or at least which coast). The problem most people

    have
    > are with the uninformed agents/cs people/etc. It took several years before
    > the information was even disseminated to a few people on the east coast,

    and
    > it is rather new, and even less known on the west coast.


    I was trying to sign up for America Choice with the MOU option. I am not a
    Verizon subscriber yet. We live in Florida, zip 32609.

    >
    > Additionally, you may not even be able to get the option, depending on

    where
    > you live. For instance, there are native verizon areas (have full 1x
    > compatibility and MOU can be added), there are extended network areas

    (voice
    > is free by agreements, but some are and some are not 1X, so if you live in
    > an extended network area, that option may not be available at all with

    your
    > billing address), if a roaming area, while verizon will eat the roaming
    > costs for someone on a plan, there is no way they will add data when it

    will
    > cost them big time), and some roaming is only Analog, which doesn't

    support
    > the 1X stuff at all.
    > There is a difference between AC and NA (National Access, used to be
    > express, but both are 1X and 1X is easier to type). If you go to the

    verizon
    > website, there are different maps, one for AC voice services, and another
    > for NA data service. You must be in the Data service area to even get it.
    >
    > If you want to pursue it, first, people need to know where you are

    located,
    > to see if service is even available in your area (zip code).


    I'm in Florida, zip code 32609. I'm not even sure that I can get a native
    Verizon signal at my home. It was my intention to sign up for a plan, test
    it at home and cancel within the 15 days if there was not a good signal.
    However, we didn't get that far with the agent since the plan offered was
    more than I was willing to pay. We use cell service only rarely when not
    traveling

    >
    > Second, you have to be willing to be persistent. If you ask 50 people to

    add
    > that **OPTION** to your current plan, you will probably be told NO 49

    times
    > before you finally get the 50th person that says yes.
    >
    > not sure what comes after the first two, since those have to be done

    before
    > #3 is even thought about.
    >
    > Data plans... Again, I'm not sure where you live, but using different zip
    > codes, I get different prices.
    > ZIP 83814 $55
    > NationalAccess
    > Use the wireless Internet for hours at a time.
    >
    > Browse the Internet, access email at speeds up to 144 kbps.
    > Offers monthly airtime allowance for both Internet access and domestic
    > calls.
    > No long distance or roaming charges.
    > $55.00
    >
    > ZIP 34677 $75
    > NationalAccess
    > Use the wireless Internet for hours at a time.
    >
    > Browse the Internet, access email at speeds up to 144 kbps.
    > Offers monthly airtime allowance for both Internet access and domestic
    > calls.
    > No long distance or roaming charges.
    > $75.00
    > ===================================================
    > There is a Featured Plan for $79, that may be what the person suggested.
    > Different phones/accessories etc are also available by different zip

    codes.
    > Since I travel full time, I found what I wanted, and used an uncles
    > house/mailing address set up auto-pay etc.


    It wasn't that she suggested a plan. I knew what I wanted (AC-400 with MOU)
    but when she checked MOU on the computer, it went to a $79 plan which I told
    her was a "deal breaker". The computer program wouldn't allow the combo I
    wanted.

    >
    > Have you even looked at your plan online or on your paper bill yet? You

    may
    > already HAVE it! Many people do and don't even know it. Look for a section
    > called "Active Additional Services", and see if NationalAccess is listed

    as

    No bill. I'm not a customer.


    > a service
    > Example (a text conversion of part of my bill):
    > Item Description
    > Current
    > calling plan: America's Choice 400 Peak Unl N&W 1000 Mtm $39.99 2y

    0902
    > Monthly charge $39.99
    > Monthly allowance minutes 400 general
    > Additional per minute charge $.45 peak, $.45 off-peak
    >
    > Promotional Details:
    > Current: Beginning on 08/20/03: Unlimited night & weekend minute>

    allowance per month - 2yr contract
    >
    > Enhanced Services:
    > Call Delivery , Voice Mail, IQ Service Package, CDMA Digital W/TXT
    > Msg, CallerID, Message Waiting Ind, New Every Two, Streamline
    > Billing, Nat IN-Network -1000 Mins, Mobile Web - 0 Alerts, National
    > Access
    > Nat IN-Network -1000 Mins
    > Monthly allowance 1000 general
    > Additional per minute $.45 peak, $.45 off-peak
    > ============================
    > Notice the National Access under Enchanced Services.
    > Look on your bill and see if you have it already.
    > I cut and pasted a chunk of my bill to also show the plan, which is:
    > America's Choice 400 Peak Unl N&W 1000 Mtm $39.99
    > Same as what you said yours was.
    >
    > Obviously it's there, and it works. Just for fun, here is a paste from

    call
    > detail:
    > 04/10 12:26AM O 17 Las Vega/B NV (777)000-0001 Data CL YU Included

    ..00
    > .00
    > Notice it was a data call, placed from Las Vegas (thats where I am now :),
    > and I happened to make it late at night (12:26 AM), so it went in my
    > unlimited free nights and weekend bucket (IE it was a free call).
    >
    > Sorry for making this so long, but In my opinion, it is worth
    > pursuing/investigating if you need/want higher speed access.


    No problem. I appreciate your time and effort and the information.

    JT Kirby
    >
    >

    --
    Messages sent to this address are automatically deleted without being
    opened. Legitimate email may be sent to the following address after
    removing the spaces, the "m's" and fixing the obvious: jteffiem at earthlink
    dot net
     
  9. coyotefred

    coyotefred Guest

    'Hope you won those shoes! ;)

    Well I'm writing this from the boonies using my #777 connection, and
    it really isn't that bad. All I have to do is remember back to the
    mid-1990s when a 14.4 connection was generally all "normal folks"
    had... I thought that was pretty nifty back then :)

    In any case it works real slick... Too bad those night minutes didn't
    kick in at 7pm instead of 9pm... But however you slice it this option
    is certainly cheaper than satellite internet unless I were to really
    start burning my Anytime Minutes during the day waiting for that 14.4
    connection. By the way--and I should know this--how are the night
    minutes calculated when you're on the road and outside your time zone?
    I assume they are based on the time zone in which you registered
    phone?

    If I read you right you've suggested that I would be able to use
    venturi (since I'm directly connecting via #777), but that in my
    situation I probably wouldn't notice any differece... ??? Oh well...
    I think I can probably live with this. With the browser set not to
    download pics, the download time for most pages isn't too bad...

    "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    [snip]

    > If you are stuck using QWK2NET, then venturi can be used even with that, but
    > you must do the #777 thing to make it work. Venturi uses a network venturi
    > server to compress your data, and then sends it over the air. You must be
    > able to do the #777 to be directly on the network (no dial up), for it to
    > work.
    >
    > If you use the Accelerator's (usually provided by the ISP), then yes, one
    > part of the software is on the ISP and the other part is on your computer.
    > Problem is, the partially compressed data has to be sent over the cell to
    > get to your computer and be compressed the rest of the way. And of course,
    > that's where it is also uncompressed. Since the final compression hasn't
    > happened yet when it goes over the cell, you end up transmitting/receiving a
    > few more bytes than you would if you had an active compression server on the
    > net (like venturi has). In real life, we are only talking a few microseconds
    > difference, usually not noticeable by humans.
    >
    >
    > Good luck to you, (and also to me, I'm off to the Casino in a few minutes to
    > either buy baby a new pair of shoes, or go broke :)
     
  10. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    "coyotefred" <coyotefred@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:b8883a35.0405151208.3a23c02@posting.google.com
    >
    > In any case it works real slick... Too bad those night minutes didn't
    > kick in at 7pm instead of 9pm... But however you slice it this option
    > is certainly cheaper than satellite internet unless I were to really
    > start burning my Anytime Minutes during the day waiting for that 14.4
    > connection. By the way--and I should know this--how are the night
    > minutes calculated when you're on the road and outside your time zone?
    > I assume they are based on the time zone in which you registered
    > phone?


    NO NO NO, Night minutes are calculated at the time at the tower (displayed
    on the phone) ***NOT*** your billing address!

    Sorry for not just saying local time, but that's not exactly accurate. There
    are many places near the time zone edges, where you can be in one time zone,
    but your phone is getting a signal from another time zone. ALWAYS go by the
    time displayed on the phone when determining when your free time starts.
     
  11. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    There is no reason you can't speed things up more, but almost everything
    depends on your dialing #777 first. Now you can move on to other things that
    may speed things up.

    Sorry to belabor the point, but you would be amazed how many people
    absolutely refuse to use #777 from the dialer. They try and dial it from the
    handset (rather than putting it in the dialer), and when it doesn't work by
    dialing on the keypad, refuse to ever try it again. First thing was to get
    you to try the #777.

    I know you show hotmail now, but didn't you say in a previous message that
    you had an earthlink account? If so, do you use their access 2004 software?
    It has an accelerator that works with cell-phones.

    More later...

    Marc (My real name, Peter Pan is the name I use to post :)


    "coyotefred" <coyotefred@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:b8883a35.0405151208.3a23c02@posting.google.com
    > 'Hope you won those shoes! ;)
    >
    > Well I'm writing this from the boonies using my #777 connection, and
    > it really isn't that bad. All I have to do is remember back to the
    > mid-1990s when a 14.4 connection was generally all "normal folks"
    > had... I thought that was pretty nifty back then :)
    >
    > In any case it works real slick... Too bad those night minutes didn't
    > kick in at 7pm instead of 9pm... But however you slice it this option
    > is certainly cheaper than satellite internet unless I were to really
    > start burning my Anytime Minutes during the day waiting for that 14.4
    > connection. By the way--and I should know this--how are the night
    > minutes calculated when you're on the road and outside your time zone?
    > I assume they are based on the time zone in which you registered
    > phone?
    >
    > If I read you right you've suggested that I would be able to use
    > venturi (since I'm directly connecting via #777), but that in my
    > situation I probably wouldn't notice any differece... ??? Oh well...
    > I think I can probably live with this. With the browser set not to
    > download pics, the download time for most pages isn't too bad...
    >
    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > [snip]
    >
    >> If you are stuck using QWK2NET, then venturi can be used even with
    >> that, but you must do the #777 thing to make it work. Venturi uses a
    >> network venturi server to compress your data, and then sends it over
    >> the air. You must be able to do the #777 to be directly on the
    >> network (no dial up), for it to work.
    >>
    >> If you use the Accelerator's (usually provided by the ISP), then
    >> yes, one part of the software is on the ISP and the other part is on
    >> your computer. Problem is, the partially compressed data has to be
    >> sent over the cell to get to your computer and be compressed the
    >> rest of the way. And of course, that's where it is also
    >> uncompressed. Since the final compression hasn't happened yet when
    >> it goes over the cell, you end up transmitting/receiving a few more
    >> bytes than you would if you had an active compression server on the
    >> net (like venturi has). In real life, we are only talking a few
    >> microseconds difference, usually not noticeable by humans.
    >>
    >>
    >> Good luck to you, (and also to me, I'm off to the Casino in a few
    >> minutes to either buy baby a new pair of shoes, or go broke :)
     
  12. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    "JT" <afn17434@afn.org> wrote in message
    news:2gna2bF4pclkU1@uni-berlin.de
    >
    > I'm in Florida, zip code 32609. I'm not even sure that I can get a
    > native Verizon signal at my home. It was my intention to sign up for
    > a plan, test it at home and cancel within the 15 days if there was
    > not a good signal. However, we didn't get that far with the agent
    > since the plan offered was more than I was willing to pay. We use
    > cell service only rarely when not traveling
    >


    I used to have a contract via zip code 34677 (down by Tampa), but when I
    went to MOU, I changed to a contract to my sisters address (in Baltimore
    21207).

    I don't know what the current status is in that area, (this was a year ago,
    went from an Alltel area in Tampa, to a Verizon area in Baltimore, not for
    1X, changed for other reasons - like dad died and step mom sold the house)

    I looked in my books at work to see what is available there now, but even
    though most states are shown, unfortunately, FL isn't shown. (Even though
    California was)

    PS Just a funny note, Know how some people call California the "Peoples
    Republic of Kalifornia"? The more I see Florida left off things, but
    California is included, I wonder if it shouldn't be "Peoples Republic of
    Florida" instead? :)
     
  13. coyotefred

    coyotefred Guest

    "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2gnfbtF40tl3U1@uni-berlin.de>...

    > Sorry to belabor the point, but you would be amazed how many people
    > absolutely refuse to use #777 from the dialer. They try and dial it from the
    > handset (rather than putting it in the dialer), and when it doesn't work by
    > dialing on the keypad, refuse to ever try it again. First thing was to get
    > you to try the #777.


    Well we're set there :)

    > I know you show hotmail now, but didn't you say in a previous message that
    > you had an earthlink account? If so, do you use their access 2004 software?
    > It has an accelerator that works with cell-phones.


    'Nope...I've thought about getting earthlink before, but right now all
    I've got is a poor-quality ISP through the school I work for. I just
    set up a New Connection through Windows XP to dial #777 and that works
    fine.
     
  14. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    "coyotefred" <coyotefred@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:b8883a35.0405161659.3d981353@posting.google.com
    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:<2gnfbtF40tl3U1@uni-berlin.de>...
    >
    >> Sorry to belabor the point, but you would be amazed how many people
    >> absolutely refuse to use #777 from the dialer. They try and dial it
    >> from the handset (rather than putting it in the dialer), and when it
    >> doesn't work by dialing on the keypad, refuse to ever try it again.
    >> First thing was to get you to try the #777.

    >
    > Well we're set there :)
    >
    >> I know you show hotmail now, but didn't you say in a previous
    >> message that you had an earthlink account? If so, do you use their
    >> access 2004 software? It has an accelerator that works with
    >> cell-phones.

    >
    > 'Nope...I've thought about getting earthlink before, but right now all
    > I've got is a poor-quality ISP through the school I work for. I just
    > set up a New Connection through Windows XP to dial #777 and that works
    > fine.


    Sorry, someone else in this thread had an earthlink address, guess I got
    confused.

    At any rate, glad the first part worked for ya.

    If you want to experiment with venturi, and since you are doing the #777
    thing now, it's free for verizon users. Download it at
    http://www.venturiwireless.com
    (note it is Venturi NOT verizon), then click on support, and then about
    halfway down on the right side of the page, you will see Verizon Wireless
    Customers (Read/Click/Follow Instructions). After installation, there is an
    icon on the venturi main page (it defaults to "auto", click on it and it
    become "off", click again and it toggles back to "auto"). In settings, it
    allows you to limit the resolution of pictures, and as I recall (gads, I
    hope that was you that turned off pix, or my brain went to mush) you have
    them turned off, you can set them to be very low res, and then click on em
    to resend/get them in hi res if you want to see it better. You can also set
    up lists of websites to exclude compression on if you find some that work
    and some that don't.

    PS, it's a big download, make sure you start it during free time.
     
  15. Jeremy Nixon

    Jeremy Nixon Guest

    JT <afn17434@afn.org> wrote:

    > I recently posted a reply to Bob Giddings on RORT, which I have noted you
    > are active on, concerning my experience in trying to get NA-MOU for travel
    > internet access. In short, instead of the American Choice $39.99, 400
    > minutes plan I wanted, when the agent entered MOU as an option, the computer
    > came up with a $79.99 plan. I nixed that and am still with my cheap AT&T
    > voice plan.


    The Express Network / NationalAccess MOU is an option you can add to your
    regular AC plan. The problem, as Peter said, is that you may have to go
    through several customer service reps before you get one who is (a) willing
    to add it for you, and (b) knows how to do it.

    The confusion stems from the fact that, although the MOU option can be used
    to connect a laptop to the Internet, it's not *meant* to be used for that.
    It's meant to be used for services from the handset itself -- specifically,
    for picture messages. If you have a camera phone, you get this option on
    your plan to be able to do picture messages using plan minutes rather than
    one of the special picture message options.

    Here's the trick to getting MOU added to your plan. Don't bother with the
    store, and don't bother calling customer service. Go to the VZW web site,
    to the customer service contact form, and send a message asking to have
    NationalAccess MOU added to your plan. Obviously, make sure to fill in
    all the information about your account, like your name, phone number,
    account number, and all that. I had a reply telling me it had been added
    within a matter of hours (during business hours). However, I *do* have a
    camera phone, so I mentioned that in the message; I'm not sure how much
    easier that made it to get the option, since I had the offically-sanctioned
    reason to have it. (I upgraded to the camera phone on my own, not through
    VZW, so they hadn't added the option for me.)

    So, really, what you're asking for is the option that lets you do picture
    messages using plan minutes. If you ask for it that way, the customer
    service reps will be far more likely to know what you're talking about
    than if you start talking about laptop connections -- they have another
    set of options for that, which is what their training will tell them to
    try to sell you.

    > Is the higher speed which you mention (up to 120 Kb) still available at
    > the $40 rate or must one go to the pricier data plans?


    I'm still on a $35/month AC plan (300 minutes) from a couple years ago,
    not even in contract any more, and it's not a problem.

    --
    Jeremy | jeremy@exit109.com
     
  16. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    In article <10agas9btk0m7d9@corp.supernews.com>,
    Jeremy Nixon <jeremy@exit109.com> wrote:
    >The confusion stems from the fact that, although the MOU option can be used
    >to connect a laptop to the Internet, it's not *meant* to be used for that.
    >It's meant to be used for services from the handset itself -- specifically,
    >for picture messages. If you have a camera phone, you get this option on
    >your plan to be able to do picture messages using plan minutes rather than
    >one of the special picture message options.


    Most Get-It-Now phones are now capable of using the EN-MOU (NationAccess)
    functionality to download applications faster and give them faster access
    to the Internet when running (such as weather radar apps). This is also
    an intended use of EN-MOU, and if you have such a phone, you can tell
    them this in your e-mail to get EN-MOU activated. I updated the software
    in my T720 to the T730 software, and this situation applied.
     
  17. coyotefred

    coyotefred Guest

    Thanks so much...I'll download it tonight and give it a try and report back :)

    "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2gqk9bF5mf3sU1@uni-berlin.de>...

    [snip]

    > If you want to experiment with venturi, and since you are doing the #777
    > thing now, it's free for verizon users. Download it at
    > http://www.venturiwireless.com
    > (note it is Venturi NOT verizon), then click on support, and then about
    > halfway down on the right side of the page, you will see Verizon Wireless
    > Customers (Read/Click/Follow Instructions). After installation, there is an
    > icon on the venturi main page (it defaults to "auto", click on it and it
    > become "off", click again and it toggles back to "auto"). In settings, it
    > allows you to limit the resolution of pictures, and as I recall (gads, I
    > hope that was you that turned off pix, or my brain went to mush) you have
    > them turned off, you can set them to be very low res, and then click on em
    > to resend/get them in hi res if you want to see it better. You can also set
    > up lists of websites to exclude compression on if you find some that work
    > and some that don't.
    >
    > PS, it's a big download, make sure you start it during free time.
     
  18. coyotefred

    coyotefred Guest

    "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2gqk9bF5mf3sU1@uni-berlin.de>...

    > If you want to experiment with venturi, and since you are doing the #777
    > thing now, it's free for verizon users. Download it at
    > http://www.venturiwireless.com
    > (note it is Venturi NOT verizon), then click on support, and then about
    > halfway down on the right side of the page, you will see Verizon Wireless
    > Customers (Read/Click/Follow Instructions). After installation, there is an
    > icon on the venturi main page (it defaults to "auto", click on it and it
    > become "off", click again and it toggles back to "auto"). In settings, it
    > allows you to limit the resolution of pictures, and as I recall (gads, I
    > hope that was you that turned off pix, or my brain went to mush) you have
    > them turned off, you can set them to be very low res, and then click on em
    > to resend/get them in hi res if you want to see it better. You can also set
    > up lists of websites to exclude compression on if you find some that work
    > and some that don't.
    >
    > PS, it's a big download, make sure you start it during free time.


    Well... I downloaded the Venturi client, but unfortunately it does not
    appear to work with alltel and #777. When I connect with #777, the
    little "V" in the taskbar spins like a tornado for a few seconds, and
    then stops with a red "X" through it, indicating to me that Venturi
    isn't operating. I get the same result when I dialup to my local ISP.
    'Guess it was worth a try...any other ideas appreciated :)
     
  19. Robert

    Robert Guest

    Stupid question. with windows xp I get a timeout verifying the username
    with a Motorola v60s. I tried using qnc/qnc and ati/net.

    Tried disabling the extnesions and compression - any hints on what it takes
    to get it working with a v60s?


    "coyotefred" <coyotefred@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:b8883a35.0405161659.3d981353@posting.google.com...
    > "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message

    news:<2gnfbtF40tl3U1@uni-berlin.de>...
    >
    > > Sorry to belabor the point, but you would be amazed how many people
    > > absolutely refuse to use #777 from the dialer. They try and dial it from

    the
    > > handset (rather than putting it in the dialer), and when it doesn't work

    by
    > > dialing on the keypad, refuse to ever try it again. First thing was to

    get
    > > you to try the #777.

    >
    > Well we're set there :)
    >
    > > I know you show hotmail now, but didn't you say in a previous message

    that
    > > you had an earthlink account? If so, do you use their access 2004

    software?
    > > It has an accelerator that works with cell-phones.

    >
    > 'Nope...I've thought about getting earthlink before, but right now all
    > I've got is a poor-quality ISP through the school I work for. I just
    > set up a New Connection through Windows XP to dial #777 and that works
    > fine.
     
  20. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    "Charles Robinson" <charlesr@visi.com> wrote in message
    news:40abfb92$0$8691$a18e6209@newsreader.visi.com
    > Peter Pan <Marcs1102NOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >> Sounds like you might be in an extended network area (I'm guessing
    >> from the ati/net password you tried, never heard of qnc/qnc not
    >> working in a verizon area).

    >
    > It (qnc/qnc) won't work if you're trying to connect to the 3G network.
    > There are different initialization strings for either service. Don't
    > know which is which, though. I just know there is a diff....
    >
    > -Charles


    That's incorrect. If you are in a high speed/1x/NA/Express/verizon
    native/3G/whatever you call it area, QWK2NET will STILL work. Only certain
    phones/software even need init strings, and Mobile office (that's what I
    use) has two connections (one QWK2NET and the other Express). As I said
    before, I have NEVER seen QWK2NET not working in a verizon area (read the
    post, it breaks it into 3 areas, native verizon area, extended, and roaming,
    the part of the post you trimmed said that, but just the words verizon area
    refer to the first of the three ((NATIVE verizon area)).

    At any rate, I think my view/typing may have added to the misconception.
    When I type verizon area I mean the verizon NATIVE area, some people view
    all the areas (native/extended/roaming) as the verizon area. It works
    absolutely 100% of the time in NATIVE verizon area, but is hit or miss in
    extended network and roaming areas.

    The part you clipped, was a response to someone that was asking why #777
    didn't work for him, and the qnc/qnc statement was meant to refer to native
    verizon areas, not necessarily extended or roaming.

    Just to add more confusion, consider this, you can be in a NATIVE verizon
    area, but in a valley (or in my case I was inside a metal cargo van), have a
    tri-mode phone, and only able to use analog for voice. In that case, it
    (Analog) won't work for data, even if you are in an area that should work.
     

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