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is trimode that big a deal?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by rbh martin, Jan 19, 2004.

  1. rbh martin

    rbh martin Guest

    hi
    is a dual mode phone really a bad idea? i spend 90% of my time in Northern
    VA with ocassional jaunts through southwestern VA (rte 81) and TN. id like
    to use a dual mode phone--will the lack of analog really be noticed that
    much? sprint is so much cheaper and the phones are more interesting. im told
    verizon is phasing out analog annyways.

    any feedback on this subject is welcome!

    rbh martin
     



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  2. rbh martin <starrett@verizon.net> wrote:
    > hi
    > is a dual mode phone really a bad idea? i spend 90% of my time in Northern
    > VA with ocassional jaunts through southwestern VA (rte 81) and TN. id like
    > to use a dual mode phone--will the lack of analog really be noticed that
    > much? sprint is so much cheaper and the phones are more interesting. im told
    > verizon is phasing out analog annyways.
    >
    > any feedback on this subject is welcome!


    As with so many other questions, the answer depends on where you are
    going to use your phone. These days, it's not so much where Verizon has
    analog as where its roaming partners have analog.

    On I-40 near Kingman, AZ is one such place. You will be in analog coming into
    California from the east (or going towards New Mexico if driving the other
    way :)

    You're out east, so there are likely to be far fewer places where you'd need
    analog. Maine might be analog; I believe you roam on US Cellular in Maine and
    I don't know if they've switched on CDMA digital service up there. If they're
    still TDMA, you won't be able to use a Verizon phone in digital mode on their
    network. (TDMA and CDMA are incompatible digital cellular communications
    protocols.)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP: C57E 8B25 F994 D6D0 5F6B B961 EA08 9410 E3AE 35ED
     
  3. Scott Nelson

    Scott Nelson Guest

    What do you use now?
    Do you go into analog mode when you do your "jaunts" as you call 'em?
    Best way to do it is by doing a drive test of your route, to see if you
    use/need it vs. new features.
    If you don't then, no worries.

    I myself use analog mode ( AMPS ) a lot so, I wouldn't even think of getting
    a phone that didn't have AMPS mode.
    But like everything in life YMMV. ;-)
    ( Your Mileage May Vary )

    Scotty


    "rbh martin" <starrett@verizon.net> wrote in message
    news:Ot1Pb.11561$MV4.5927@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
    > hi
    > is a dual mode phone really a bad idea? i spend 90% of my time in Northern
    > VA with ocassional jaunts through southwestern VA (rte 81) and TN. id like
    > to use a dual mode phone--will the lack of analog really be noticed that
    > much? sprint is so much cheaper and the phones are more interesting. im

    told
    > verizon is phasing out analog annyways.
    >
    > any feedback on this subject is welcome!
    >
    > rbh martin
    >
    >
     
  4. Dave

    Dave Guest

    I think it is. I live in CT about 2 hours from NYC (by car or train). There
    are still some areas I go though where it's analog only. If I didn't have a
    tri-mode phone in those areas, I would not be able to get or make a call.

    I guess in my eyes, it's still worth having but, in a few years, that might
    be a different story...


    -Dave



    "rbh martin" <starrett@verizon.net> wrote in message
    news:Ot1Pb.11561$MV4.5927@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
    > hi
    > is a dual mode phone really a bad idea? i spend 90% of my time in Northern
    > VA with ocassional jaunts through southwestern VA (rte 81) and TN. id like
    > to use a dual mode phone--will the lack of analog really be noticed that
    > much? sprint is so much cheaper and the phones are more interesting. im

    told
    > verizon is phasing out analog annyways.
    >
    > any feedback on this subject is welcome!
    >
    > rbh martin
    >
    >
     
  5. Mike

    Mike Guest

    On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:30:41 -0600, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

    >As with so many other questions, the answer depends on where you are
    >going to use your phone. These days, it's not so much where Verizon has
    >analog as where its roaming partners have analog.


    In the area the OP asked about...last time I was down there, Alltel's
    digital coverage between Pulaski, VA and just outside the Tri-Cities
    area (Bristol VA/TN, Johnson City and Kingsport TN) was rather spotty.
    They could have improved it by now...they did so along U.S. 220
    between Roanoke and the NC border.

    The coverage north/east of Pulaski (VZW's Roanoke 502 SID) and from
    the Tri-Cities on is VZW native, but that area is Alltel.

    If he sticks to 81, he might not need analog, assuming Alltel's
    coverage has improved. But I'D still not do without a tri-mode phone.

    Mike
     
  6. Scott Nelson

    Scott Nelson Guest

    FCC said that in Feb 2008, they will have another hearing, to see if they
    will allow the current A/B carriers to "sunset" the analog requirement.
    They also have to prove that there isn't any significant use on it as well.
    So, you have until then anyway. A lot of positive network change/improvement
    can happen in 3+ years. ;-)

    Scotty


    "Dave" <nope@yearight-dreamon.com> wrote in message
    news:Cx2Pb.10377$U33.5088@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com...
    > I think it is. I live in CT about 2 hours from NYC (by car or train).

    There
    > are still some areas I go though where it's analog only. If I didn't have

    a
    > tri-mode phone in those areas, I would not be able to get or make a call.
    >
    > I guess in my eyes, it's still worth having but, in a few years, that

    might
    > be a different story...
    >
    >
    > -Dave
    >
    >
    >
    > "rbh martin" <starrett@verizon.net> wrote in message
    > news:Ot1Pb.11561$MV4.5927@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
    > > hi
    > > is a dual mode phone really a bad idea? i spend 90% of my time in

    Northern
    > > VA with ocassional jaunts through southwestern VA (rte 81) and TN. id

    like
    > > to use a dual mode phone--will the lack of analog really be noticed that
    > > much? sprint is so much cheaper and the phones are more interesting. im

    > told
    > > verizon is phasing out analog annyways.
    > >
    > > any feedback on this subject is welcome!
    > >
    > > rbh martin
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
     
  7. John Brandt

    John Brandt Guest

    On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:30:41 -0600, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

    <clip>
    >
    >You're out east, so there are likely to be far fewer places where you'd need
    >analog. Maine might be analog; I believe you roam on US Cellular in Maine and
    >I don't know if they've switched on CDMA digital service up there. If they're
    >still TDMA, you won't be able to use a Verizon phone in digital mode on their
    >network. (TDMA and CDMA are incompatible digital cellular communications
    >protocols.)

    <clip>

    USC switched on the CDMA network last fall and we with VZW have
    digital service. I don't know the exact extent of the conversion, but
    I am led to beleive it is state-wide as USC is only selling CDMA
    phones in Maine. They are continuing to run the TDMA for the time
    being.

    jeb
     
  8. Richard

    Richard Guest

    Verizon would not let me sign up for an America's Choice plan unless I had a
    trimode phone. A dual mode Startec would not do.

    "rbh martin" <starrett@verizon.net> wrote in message
    news:Ot1Pb.11561$MV4.5927@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
    > hi
    > is a dual mode phone really a bad idea? i spend 90% of my time in Northern
    > VA with ocassional jaunts through southwestern VA (rte 81) and TN. id like
    > to use a dual mode phone--will the lack of analog really be noticed that
    > much? sprint is so much cheaper and the phones are more interesting. im

    told
    > verizon is phasing out analog annyways.
    >
    > any feedback on this subject is welcome!
    >
    > rbh martin
    >
    >
     
  9. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    Depending on your location (like if you are in an area with no native
    verizon and analog only) they will require a tri-mode. Had that happen to me
    3 years ago, then the local extended network went digital, they dropped the
    requirement and allowed my SO to get a digital only.


    "Richard" <rick@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:Y4iPb.40614$OM2.10168192@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
    > Verizon would not let me sign up for an America's Choice plan unless I had

    a
    > trimode phone. A dual mode Startec would not do.
    >
    > "rbh martin" <starrett@verizon.net> wrote in message
    > news:Ot1Pb.11561$MV4.5927@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
    > > hi
    > > is a dual mode phone really a bad idea? i spend 90% of my time in

    Northern
    > > VA with ocassional jaunts through southwestern VA (rte 81) and TN. id

    like
    > > to use a dual mode phone--will the lack of analog really be noticed that
    > > much? sprint is so much cheaper and the phones are more interesting. im

    > told
    > > verizon is phasing out analog annyways.
    > >
    > > any feedback on this subject is welcome!
    > >
    > > rbh martin
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
     
  10. David

    David Guest

    It's only a big deal when you need it.


    "Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
    news:naWdnbbkMOBsM5Hd4p2dnA@lmi.net...
    > rbh martin <starrett@verizon.net> wrote:
    > > hi
    > > is a dual mode phone really a bad idea? <snip>
     
  11. Diamond Dave

    Diamond Dave Guest

    On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:30:41 -0600, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

    >You're out east, so there are likely to be far fewer places where you'd need
    >analog. Maine might be analog; I believe you roam on US Cellular in Maine and
    >I don't know if they've switched on CDMA digital service up there. If they're
    >still TDMA, you won't be able to use a Verizon phone in digital mode on their
    >network. (TDMA and CDMA are incompatible digital cellular communications
    >protocols.)


    At least in southeastern Maine, USCC was CDMA digital (Augusta and
    Wiscasset areas).

    I agree, analog isn't the big deal it was, even two years ago! More
    and more places are now CDMA digital. The biggest problem is partner
    network roaming (Extended Network under AC).

    As always, YMMV.

    Dave
     
  12. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    In article <bukd16$i66c1$1@ID-190045.news.uni-berlin.de>,
    Peter Pan <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote:
    >Depending on your location (like if you are in an area with no native
    >verizon and analog only) they will require a tri-mode. Had that happen to me
    >3 years ago, then the local extended network went digital, they dropped the
    >requirement and allowed my SO to get a digital only.
    >
    >
    >"Richard" <rick@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >news:Y4iPb.40614$OM2.10168192@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
    >> Verizon would not let me sign up for an America's Choice plan unless I had

    >a
    >> trimode phone. A dual mode Startec would not do.


    In VZW-speak, a "dual mode" phone means 800MHz AMPS+CDMA, and this
    is what they have not accepted for some time.

    OTOH, "dual band" means 800MHz CDMA(cellular) + 1900MHz CDMA(PCS).
    "Dual band" phones are "digital only". This they will allow... you
    are just SOL if you go to an area with only AMPS (analog) service (or
    AMPS+TDMA, where the TDMA part is incompatible with VZW phones).
     
  13. D.J. Osborn

    D.J. Osborn Guest

    "CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote:

    > In VZW-speak, a "dual mode" phone means 800MHz AMPS+CDMA, and this
    > is what they have not accepted for some time.
    >
    > OTOH, "dual band" means 800MHz CDMA(cellular) + 1900MHz CDMA(PCS).
    > "Dual band" phones are "digital only". This they will allow... you
    > are just SOL if you go to an area with only AMPS (analog) service (or
    > AMPS+TDMA, where the TDMA part is incompatible with VZW phones).


    *However*, a number of the old StarTacs state "Dual Band" on their faces,
    and yet they are in reality tri-mode phones.

    --
    D.J., N8DO; FMCA 147762
    davidjosborn at sbcglobal dot net
     
  14. D.J. Osborn <davidjosborn@sbcglobally.net> wrote:
    > "CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote:
    >
    >> In VZW-speak, a "dual mode" phone means 800MHz AMPS+CDMA, and this
    >> is what they have not accepted for some time.
    >>
    >> OTOH, "dual band" means 800MHz CDMA(cellular) + 1900MHz CDMA(PCS).
    >> "Dual band" phones are "digital only". This they will allow... you
    >> are just SOL if you go to an area with only AMPS (analog) service (or
    >> AMPS+TDMA, where the TDMA part is incompatible with VZW phones).

    >
    > *However*, a number of the old StarTacs state "Dual Band" on their faces,
    > and yet they are in reality tri-mode phones.


    The 7760 and 7860 are dual-mode. The 7868 and 7868W are tri-mode.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP: C57E 8B25 F994 D6D0 5F6B B961 EA08 9410 E3AE 35ED
     
  15. D.J. Osborn

    D.J. Osborn Guest

    "Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

    > D.J. Osborn <davidjosborn@sbcglobally.net> wrote:
    > > "CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote:
    > >
    > >> In VZW-speak, a "dual mode" phone means 800MHz AMPS+CDMA, and this
    > >> is what they have not accepted for some time.
    > >>
    > >> OTOH, "dual band" means 800MHz CDMA(cellular) + 1900MHz CDMA(PCS).
    > >> "Dual band" phones are "digital only". This they will allow... you
    > >> are just SOL if you go to an area with only AMPS (analog) service (or
    > >> AMPS+TDMA, where the TDMA part is incompatible with VZW phones).

    > >
    > > *However*, a number of the old StarTacs state "Dual Band" on their

    faces,
    > > and yet they are in reality tri-mode phones.

    >
    > The 7760 and 7860 are dual-mode. The 7868 and 7868W are tri-mode.



    My brother's 7868W is tri-mode and says "Dual Band" on its face..

    --
    D.J., N8DO; FMCA 147762
    davidjosborn at sbcglobal dot net
     
  16. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    In article <vYGdndWMnO-sgpLd4p2dnA@lmi.net>,
    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
    >D.J. Osborn <davidjosborn@sbcglobally.net> wrote:
    >> "CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote:
    >>
    >>> In VZW-speak, a "dual mode" phone means 800MHz AMPS+CDMA, and this
    >>> is what they have not accepted for some time.
    >>>
    >>> OTOH, "dual band" means 800MHz CDMA(cellular) + 1900MHz CDMA(PCS).
    >>> "Dual band" phones are "digital only". This they will allow... you
    >>> are just SOL if you go to an area with only AMPS (analog) service (or
    >>> AMPS+TDMA, where the TDMA part is incompatible with VZW phones).

    >>
    >> *However*, a number of the old StarTacs state "Dual Band" on their faces,
    >> and yet they are in reality tri-mode phones.

    >
    >The 7760 and 7860 are dual-mode. The 7868 and 7868W are tri-mode.


    But D.J. Osborn is right: the ST7868 has "Dual Band" printed on it,
    even though they are "tri-mode" in current VZW-speak. At least, the two
    that I have are so labelled.
     
  17. rbh martin

    rbh martin Guest

    ahhhh...the old startac ST7868! my first _real_ portable cellphone. is it
    my imagination or did they have better reception than the latest batch of
    hip colorful feature-heavy cell phones?

    rbh martin
     
  18. D.J. Osborn <davidjosborn@sbcglobally.net> wrote:
    >> > *However*, a number of the old StarTacs state "Dual Band" on their

    > faces,
    >> > and yet they are in reality tri-mode phones.

    >>
    >> The 7760 and 7860 are dual-mode. The 7868 and 7868W are tri-mode.

    >
    >
    > My brother's 7868W is tri-mode and says "Dual Band" on its face..


    Yes. That is correct. It's dual-band (800MHz and 1900MHz) *and* tri-mode,
    800MHz Analog/800MHz CDMA digital/1900MHz CDMA digital. Both designations
    apply to the 7868W.

    And yes, the terminology *is* confusing.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP: C57E 8B25 F994 D6D0 5F6B B961 EA08 9410 E3AE 35ED
     
  19. CharlesH <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote:

    > But D.J. Osborn is right: the ST7868 has "Dual Band" printed on it,
    > even though they are "tri-mode" in current VZW-speak. At least, the two
    > that I have are so labelled.


    Both designations are correct. See my followup to him for an explanation of
    why.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP: C57E 8B25 F994 D6D0 5F6B B961 EA08 9410 E3AE 35ED
     
  20. Scott Nelson

    Scott Nelson Guest

    I am _NOT_ giving up my 7868 up anytime soon. ;-)

    Dual band, tri-mode, multinetwork............ Marketing Pukes gone awry.

    Unfortunatly, "Dual band, dual mode" doesn't have a ring to it I guess.
    Doesn't roll off of the tongue quite as nice does it?
    Kind of like people saying ISDN Modem or DSL Modem. Not quite true but
    people know that, that is what they need to ask for if they want/need that
    equipment.

    Scotty

    "rbh martin" <starrett@verizon.net> wrote in message
    news:Z%IPb.2041$tL2.1571@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
    > ahhhh...the old startac ST7868! my first _real_ portable cellphone. is

    it
    > my imagination or did they have better reception than the latest batch of
    > hip colorful feature-heavy cell phones?
    >
    > rbh martin
    >
    >
     

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