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New Plan Decision

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by RichC, Jan 26, 2006.

  1. RichC

    RichC Guest

    I was just offered the new AC 700 family plan for 2 phones for $69.99 + tax.
    Currently I'm on a 400 minuet ac family plan with 2 phones for $59.99 + tax.
    What will I lose by switching to the new plan other than having to re-up for
    two more years? Did something change with the new ac plan that I don't know
    about? I'm assuming the new every two phone will be available with my
    current plan dates & it doesn't change.
    Thanks
     



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  2. "RichC" <rcacace{REMOVE_TO_REPLY}@swfla.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:n6dCf.18704$_c.12320@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
    >I was just offered the new AC 700 family plan for 2 phones for $69.99 +
    >tax. Currently I'm on a 400 minuet ac family plan with 2 phones for $59.99
    >+ tax. What will I lose by switching to the new plan other than having to
    >re-up for two more years? Did something change with the new ac plan that I
    >don't know about? I'm assuming the new every two phone will be available
    >with my current plan dates & it doesn't change.
    > Thanks
    >


    The new every two will not be affected by any change in calling plans. It's
    based on the last time you made use of the new every two to upgrade your
    phone.

    You will just be getting 300 more shared minutes with the new plan for $10
    extra. A while back (late summer 2005 I think) I switched from what your
    present plan is to the 500 minute plan for the same $59.99+ tax. The
    difference is that with the old plan one paid $39.99 for the first line and
    $20 for the second. Now it's $49.99 for the first line and $10 for each
    additional line (up to 5 I think). It seems to me that they now offer the
    plan that you are contemplating instead of the one that I have now.

    Then in early October 2005, I got the E815 on the new every two thing and
    ended up paying $50 for the phone (counting the $50 rebate).
     
  3. You'll lose $10 a month if you're not fully using your current plan.
    You can keep the plan you have and use your new every two on line to
    get a new phone (you'll have to pay a discounted price for the second
    (family share) phone).

    In my market (DC) the new family share has unlimited in-network as well
    as nights & weekends, so that might make the switch attractive.

    I don't think there's much to lose other than the increase in price and
    the discounted cost of one phone.

    Cheers,
    Mike Davis
     
  4. clifto

    clifto Guest

    RichC wrote:
    > I was just offered the new AC 700 family plan for 2 phones for $69.99 + tax.
    > Currently I'm on a 400 minuet ac family plan with 2 phones for $59.99 + tax.
    > What will I lose by switching to the new plan other than having to re-up for
    > two more years? Did something change with the new ac plan that I don't know
    > about? I'm assuming the new every two phone will be available with my
    > current plan dates & it doesn't change.


    They'll probably move you from the "old" America's Choice to the "new" one,
    AC2. Main difference there is that in places where you'd be charged for
    roaming under AC1, you get no connection at all with AC2 ("no roaming charges
    ever").

    --
    If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
    my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.
     
  5. RichC

    RichC Guest

    "clifto" <clifto@clifto.com> wrote in message
    news:8k7ua3-9pd.ln1@remote.clifto.com...
    > RichC wrote:
    >> I was just offered the new AC 700 family plan for 2 phones for $69.99 +
    >> tax.
    >> Currently I'm on a 400 minuet ac family plan with 2 phones for $59.99 +
    >> tax.
    >> What will I lose by switching to the new plan other than having to re-up
    >> for
    >> two more years? Did something change with the new ac plan that I don't
    >> know
    >> about? I'm assuming the new every two phone will be available with my
    >> current plan dates & it doesn't change.

    >
    > They'll probably move you from the "old" America's Choice to the "new"
    > one,
    > AC2. Main difference there is that in places where you'd be charged for
    > roaming under AC1, you get no connection at all with AC2 ("no roaming
    > charges
    > ever").
    >
    > --
    > If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
    > my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.


    I've hardly used the roaming feature in the last year, except once, so it's
    not a big deal but why do they want to eliminate it? Is it because they
    won't support it in the future? If that's the case, it won't be available
    anyway.
     
  6. RichC <rcacace{REMOVE_TO_REPLY}@swfla.rr.com> wrote:
    >
    > "clifto" <clifto@clifto.com> wrote in message
    > news:8k7ua3-9pd.ln1@remote.clifto.com...
    >> RichC wrote:
    >>> I was just offered the new AC 700 family plan for 2 phones for $69.99 +
    >>> tax.
    >>> Currently I'm on a 400 minuet ac family plan with 2 phones for $59.99 +
    >>> tax.
    >>> What will I lose by switching to the new plan other than having to re-up
    >>> for
    >>> two more years? Did something change with the new ac plan that I don't
    >>> know
    >>> about? I'm assuming the new every two phone will be available with my
    >>> current plan dates & it doesn't change.

    >>
    >> They'll probably move you from the "old" America's Choice to the "new"
    >> one,
    >> AC2. Main difference there is that in places where you'd be charged for
    >> roaming under AC1, you get no connection at all with AC2 ("no roaming
    >> charges
    >> ever").

    > I've hardly used the roaming feature in the last year, except once, so it's
    > not a big deal but why do they want to eliminate it? Is it because they
    > won't support it in the future? If that's the case, it won't be available
    > anyway.


    Too many people did not understand roaming. Their customer service
    department were getting called all the time asking about the roaming
    charge. Verizon thought it would make life easier if they just did not
    offer roaming at all. If you do not get a signal on their network, you
    cannot use the phone.
     
  7. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    Jeff Grossman wrote:
    > Too many people did not understand roaming. Their customer service
    > department were getting called all the time asking about the roaming
    > charge. Verizon thought it would make life easier if they just did not
    > offer roaming at all. If you do not get a signal on their network, you
    > cannot use the phone.


    There is PLENTY of roaming (i.e., using non-Verizon Wireless systems) on
    the current AC-II plans. It's called the "Extended Network". What there
    *isn't* is *roaming charges*. VZW took all of the systems with whom they
    have roaming agreements, and divided them into two groups:

    1)Those with whom they have favorable roaming agreements (that is, what
    those companies charge VZW for VZW customers to make calls on them);
    these systems are included without charge to AC-II customers.

    2) All others; you cannot make calls on AC-II on these systems. You will
    get "No Service" instead, just as if there were no signal at all.

    Under the previous America Choice I plan, you had the option of paying
    for roaming on systems that were more expensive to VZW; now either the
    call is included in your plan, or you simply cannot make the call. It
    *is* true that many of the systems that were pay-roam on AC-I *are*
    included in AC-II, so unless you are unlucky enough to be in an area
    that did not make the cut for AC-II, AC-II is actually a pretty good deal.
     
  8. CharlesH wrote:

    > Jeff Grossman wrote:
    > > Too many people did not understand roaming. Their customer service
    > > department were getting called all the time asking about the roaming
    > > charge. Verizon thought it would make life easier if they just did not
    > > offer roaming at all. If you do not get a signal on their network, you
    > > cannot use the phone.

    >
    > There is PLENTY of roaming (i.e., using non-Verizon Wireless systems) on
    > the current AC-II plans. It's called the "Extended Network". What there
    > *isn't* is *roaming charges*. VZW took all of the systems with whom they
    > have roaming agreements, and divided them into two groups:
    >
    > 1)Those with whom they have favorable roaming agreements (that is, what
    > those companies charge VZW for VZW customers to make calls on them);
    > these systems are included without charge to AC-II customers.
    >
    > 2) All others; you cannot make calls on AC-II on these systems. You will
    > get "No Service" instead, just as if there were no signal at all.
    >
    > Under the previous America Choice I plan, you had the option of paying
    > for roaming on systems that were more expensive to VZW; now either the
    > call is included in your plan, or you simply cannot make the call. It
    > *is* true that many of the systems that were pay-roam on AC-I *are*
    > included in AC-II, so unless you are unlucky enough to be in an area
    > that did not make the cut for AC-II, AC-II is actually a pretty good deal.


    Are there updated maps that show which areas are covered?

    Lou
     
  9. Larry

    Larry Guest

    CharlesH <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in news:8E9Df.39926$dW3.39509
    @newssvr21.news.prodigy.com:

    > 2) All others; you cannot make calls on AC-II on these systems. You will
    > get "No Service" instead, just as if there were no signal at all.
    >
    >


    What about inside WalMart in sight of the Sprint PCS tower and 1/4 mile
    from the Alltel tower, BOTH of which they have good roaming deals with?
    The VZW phones all say NO SERVICE 8' inside the door. VZW's tower is 8
    miles away.

    Oh, I forgot....roaming to any carrier INSIDE a VZW coverage area is
    forbidden in the PRL...excluded.
     
  10. On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:37:49 -0500, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

    >What about inside WalMart in sight of the Sprint PCS tower and 1/4 mile
    >from the Alltel tower, BOTH of which they have good roaming deals with?
    >The VZW phones all say NO SERVICE 8' inside the door. VZW's tower is 8
    >miles away.


    Well, that's what you get for going to Wally World.
     
  11. Larry wrote:

    > CharlesH <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in news:8E9Df.39926$dW3.39509
    > @newssvr21.news.prodigy.com:
    >
    > > 2) All others; you cannot make calls on AC-II on these systems. You will
    > > get "No Service" instead, just as if there were no signal at all.
    > >
    > >

    >
    > What about inside WalMart in sight of the Sprint PCS tower and 1/4 mile
    > from the Alltel tower, BOTH of which they have good roaming deals with?
    > The VZW phones all say NO SERVICE 8' inside the door. VZW's tower is 8
    > miles away.
    >
    > Oh, I forgot....roaming to any carrier INSIDE a VZW coverage area is
    > forbidden in the PRL...excluded.


    Which does make business sense. Saves vzw money. Does not help the customer
    of course.

    Lou
     
  12. RichC

    RichC Guest

    "CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
    news:8E9Df.39926$dW3.39509@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
    > Jeff Grossman wrote:


    > 1)Those with whom they have favorable roaming agreements (that is, what
    > those companies charge VZW for VZW customers to make calls on them); these
    > systems are included without charge to AC-II customers.
    >
    > 2) All others; you cannot make calls on AC-II on these systems. You will
    > get "No Service" instead, just as if there were no signal at all.
    >


    I'm not sure if the areas you described in number 2 would make a big
    difference to me or not. Is there any way to pin point where those areas
    are? (I suppose if I had an old copy of the roaming areas before the switch
    they would be highlighted) There's no way of going back to the old AC-I plan
    after switching is there?
     
  13. Quick

    Quick Guest

    RichC wrote:
    > "CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:8E9Df.39926$dW3.39509@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
    >> Jeff Grossman wrote:

    >
    >> 1)Those with whom they have favorable roaming agreements
    >> (that is, what those companies charge VZW for VZW
    >> customers to make calls on them); these systems are
    >> included without charge to AC-II customers.
    >>
    >> 2) All others; you cannot make calls on AC-II on these
    >> systems. You will get "No Service" instead, just as if
    >> there were no signal at all.
    >>

    >
    > I'm not sure if the areas you described in number 2 would
    > make a big difference to me or not. Is there any way to
    > pin point where those areas are? (I suppose if I had an
    > old copy of the roaming areas before the switch they
    > would be highlighted) There's no way of going back to the
    > old AC-I plan after switching is there?


    Yes. Just verify to make sure it's still the case. VZW has
    always had the policy that you can revert to your old plan
    (even if it's not offered any more) within 30 days. I suppose
    this is the same everywhere as it is in California.

    -Quick
     

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